WTF Sony?

The Tokyo Game Show has just ended and many of us were very satisfied with what we saw from Sony, some of us, not so much... Over at PS3Land.com brought some things to attention that some of you were probably thinking yourselves, and ask the question; WTF Sony?

Basically there are things Sony has yet to reveal and launch is right around the corner. The discussion will include things like; Where was Sony's online announcements, where was Linux, and what are the final specs on the RSX graphics card? Some of you may feel fine knowing that Sony is planning everything strategically and not showing all their cards just yet. Perhaps many of you will agree with their arguements and that's for you to decide.

[Jay da 2KBalla]

Great read. It really brings to light on how there are alot of unanswered questions regarding ps3. Very important questions at that. I personall dont think there will be an event before the launch. I think that sony just wanted tgs to hype the ps3 and get gamers to forget about the online, the linux, the rsx etc. I think they are banking on the hardcore to snatch up consoles which they will and of course they wont care if the online is ready or not.

I myself will wait till like 2007 or 2008 or whenever I feel the ps3 will be worth the price. 1 or 2 good ps3 games just isnt enough to me and especially now that bioshock isnt coming to ps3 and that DMC might be coming to 360 as well as kingdom hearts I doubt I will have any reason to buy a ps3.

[NextGen24Gamer]

I couldn't agree with you more. Well said. I do have one for me at launch. But TGS didn't do it for me. It didn't tell much about the Ps3 and what you are paying 600 plus dollars for. I thought Sony was suppose to have a big big announcement at TGS. HDMI? Thats it? That announcement affects 2% of gamers and thats the big news? Microsoft is doing a good job at giving gamers more incentive to not spend over half a grand on a questionable console when they could invest half of that in Unbelievable next gen games. Mass Effect, Gears of War, Halo 3, Bio Shock, GTA, Assasins Creed, Splinter Cell and so on.

[Jay da 2KBalla]

top gamer what games are you looking forward to for the ps3. I personally think heavenly sword and lair are going to be AAA but thats about it and they have been delayed. Also resistance looks good but when theres COD3,Raibow six vegas, gears etc. resistance seems to get overshadowed in my eyes. I do however have high hopes for the online but as I previously said sony is being a lil shady on the online and if reesistance along with sonys other games launches with no online multiplayer then sony will be in big trouble.

O and I really hope that "x" wont be used as the fire button in the game for I will automatically not want to play it. Its the main reason I never played fps on the ps2 because it just doesnt feel right after using the triggers on the xbox and 360. Even though ps3s R2 and L2 buttons are said to be more like triggers I've seen the "sixaxis" and they pretty much look the same as the ps2s R2 and L2 buttons but who knows I could be wrong.

But yea though what games on ps3 are you looking forward to?

[lalaland]

Most games, if not all, allows you to rearrange the controls to your liking.

Btw, the R2 + L2 on the Sixaxis are different from the ones on the Dualshock 2. Most reports mentions them as pretty good and as propper triggers.

Ofcourse Resistance will be multiplayer from the start. They, and some of the other online games, will probably use their own servers, as it seems the Sony online setup isn't quite ready yet (since some developers hasn't heard much about online and SOE is using middleware tech for their online functionality).

Sony however has comitted to developing their own online system and giving smaller developers the opportunity to use Sony servers for their games. I believe they are not quite there yet, but it will be fully functional for developers in their second gen games.

Friends-list has been demonstrated with instant text-messaging. We've seen the online-store both ingame (SingStar, MotorStorm etc.) and in the XBI (as a screenshot). Online gameplay has been demonstrated multiple times. The built-in browser has been demonstrated. It is really just a few tidbits that hasn't been shown yet. And btw, wasn't shown for the X360 prior to launch as well (afaik).

[USMChardcharger]

what?! xbox live was already up from the original xbox.
also there was several showings of what live was going to be like for the 360 (before launch). they showed us the blades, the future addition of a camera (well before eye toy was even announced), how friends list would work, the ability to talk to your friends cross game, and so on and so on.
anyway, yes M$ did.

[soccerstar]

i think the ps3's worth $600 but i dont want to have to mess with sending it in for a new one because of launch problems but im looking forward to heavenly sword, lair, resistance, god of war(when it comes to ps3), hot shots golf, motorstorm, warhawk, UT 2007(dont know if i want ps3 or pc version though), Mercs 2, BIG, Ratchet and Clank, 8 days, and devil may cry 4. The problem is all but one isnt coming out till 2007 or later thats another reason why im not getting a launch ps3

[Boink]

the games look good, but online play is what this gen is going to be about...I wanted to hear more, and got zip...other than ken's "vision"

[USMChardcharger]

online play was what last gen was about too. but your right it is a most for this gen.

everyone has to admit that M$ pioneered the standard for consoles to be online and a hard drive. so they helped us all out on those issues not matter which of the 3 consoles you play.

[Munky]

They are realist. Eventhough they are PS3 supporters they can put that aside and see that their is something truly wrong going on with Sont/PS3. Not only to acknowledge the problems, but to call them out is commendable. These guys work for a site dedicated to the console that they are questioning, if anything you would expect their reactions to be the total oppostie of what they said!! They saw first hand what was goin on at the TGS, not second hand news that they read on the internet. So very good job to them. I'm out..peaz

[THELANDSOFSAND]

WTF sony?

[TheMART]

I will look into a PS3 when:

1. They cut the BR drive and become 200 euro cheaper
2. The quality of the drive seems of higher quality then the sh!tty PS2 I had and will remain longer then just a year
3. Prices drop to a level that won't make it over 1.000 dollars with extra controller and some games
4. Get some descent exclusives! GTA came to 360, Assassins Creed did, Bioshock is exclusive on 360. Sony just looses anything exciting and MS is winning them. If they can't change that, they'll die

[DJ]

1. Cut the Blu-ray drive and have games that span 5~7 DVDs? Screw that.

2. Movie studios have nothing but praise for the quality of the PS3's Blu-ray movie playback. Apparently it does a better job playing Blu-ray movies than standalone DVD players do with DVD movies. Come on, free high quality movie functionality already built in? That's a steal.

3. System is $500. Controllers are $40. And games are $50~60. A console, an extra controller, and a few games adds up to $700, not $1000.

4. You wanna talk exclusive titles? How about LAIR, Resistance, Motorstorm, Heavenly Sword, Warhawk, Killzone, Naughty Dog title, Ratchet & Clank, Final Fantasy XIII, Final Fantasy Versus XIII, the Getaway, Eight Days, Afrika, Gran Turismo, F1 Championship, Wipeout, Devil May Cry 4, White Knight Story, and the countless titles that are still under wraps? Team Ico sure has been quiet lately ^_~

BTW, we still get Grand Theft Auto 4 and Assassin's Creed, so it's not a big deal.

[TheMART]

1. You're talking bull and you know it.

SL-DVD was last gen. Games started in 2000 with a bit less then 2 GB average. It grew in FIVE whole years with 50% to max. 100% to 3 to 4 GB average (somewhere in between).

A very small tiny winy few titles were on DL-DVD were the only real great one was Ralli Sport Challenge 2 with 6 GB were also game video's of upcoming games were put on.

Now take that in account.

The new/this gen games are about a full SL-DVD average. 50% to 100% increase in data over 5 years will result in a DL-DVD reached at the end of this life cycle.

Even better: programming and compression techniques have become smarter. So the increase might be less.

You're a Sony droid thinking 6 or 7 x 8,5 GB should be nescessary. That's if you only use CGI material in games yeah like Sony wants! 360 will have the real HD INGAME material and a drive that only adds 20 dollar to the costprice instead of 300 and only fills the pockets of Sony!

2. The HD-DVD has better reviews on quality output. But I was talking actually on the quality of the lifetime of the hardware. The PS2 drive was known about braking down. Sony wanted to keep the costs low, will they do again with this drive?

3. A Premium is 600. Controllers are 50 dollars. Games are at 60 dollars. No HDMI cable included etc.

600 + 50 + 4 games x 60 + HDMI cable 30 = already 930 dollar/euro, that's excluding things like payments on the online part of Sony were they will pull you a whole arm out

4. Those exclusives are in no comparing to the AAA titles just mentioned. And some will fall as an exclusive also and you know it. I only have to mention GTA, Assassins Creed, Bioshock and you'll know what I am talking about. All once PS greatness or claimed to come to PS but no no it's 360 only. DMC4 soon

[Bebedora]

<TM:> SL-DVD was last gen. Games started in 2000 with a bit less then 2 GB average. It grew in FIVE whole years with 50% to max. 100% to 3 to 4 GB average (somewhere in between).

A very small tiny winy few titles were on DL-DVD were the only real great one was Ralli Sport Challenge 2 with 6 GB were also game video's of upcoming games were put on.
</TM>

Have you thought about why levels take so much more in size since current gen? That is before CGI is taken in account? Or can you explain why R:FoM is so big as 20+GB in size?

<TM:>The new/this gen games are about a full SL-DVD average. 50% to 100% increase in data over 5 years will result in a DL-DVD reached at the end of this life cycle.
</TM>

The increase this next-gen is resolution and better graphic more sound data, more media data (talking in-game). I believe a DVD is too tiny. You can cram in a GeOW but look how tiny it is. 12 hrs of game time.

<TM:> Even better: programming and compression techniques have become smarter. So the increase might be less.
</TM>

This is the one and only thing that can make XB360 (2nd round) games come to compete with a Blu-Ray (PS3 1st round) games.
And that about Sony wants CGI:s...where did that come from? Elaborate please.

You really are full of your own predictions. A PS3 is $500, a PS3 control is $40 wirelessly without a recharger kit. The games are medium priced to be at $60 The XB360 controller is at what? $50? The games varies I've seen here at $60 (Enchanted Arms was $69 though).

Besides my bad experience with XB360 I am hoping the PS3 is getting better up to what I see MS not doing right with their XB360. (Overheat choppy gameplay, noice reduction) It seems like a poor mans choice for next-gen gaming.

All add-on to the XB360, would you like to have a feature, will cost you and gives you a taste of sour grape.

[lalaland]

"You're a Sony droid thinking 6 or 7 x 8,5 GB should be nescessary. That's if you only use CGI material in games yeah like Sony wants!"

Seeing how Lost Odessey uses mostly CGI material (except for the few random animations during battle), I would expect them to want more space. Fact is, some developers has already found use for the extra amount of space, so the need is there wether you like it or not.

"The HD-DVD has better reviews on quality output."

Only the first released titles for various reasons. All the newly released titles has got atleast the same quality output as HD-DVD. Expect that to get even better when 50G Blu-Ray discs becomes the norm.

"A Premium is 600. Controllers are 50 dollars. Games are at 60 dollars. No HDMI cable included etc."

I thought you were a X360 fan? If so, you won't need the premium since the PS3 Core matches the X360 Premium in all regards. And you won't need the HDMI cable either (or are you not satisfied with the X360's output?), but if you wanted one, they can be bought at as low a price as $10. For now the only price for controllers are $40 and that is including a charger-set.

So that is:
PS3 ($500) + controller ($40) + 4 games ($60) + cable ($10) = $790

AND you've got free online play... I don't have to tell you that a comparable X360 would be more expensive and would be missing the high def video player, do I?

"Those exclusives are in no comparing to the AAA titles just mentioned."

Taste in games is a subjective matter. I would argue that I find some of the PS3 games better, but that is just me. Let's leave that one at that.

[Munky]

I'll take their word anyday over some twit on here who thinks he knows what he is talking about just because they read some "news" or got some "facts" in a magazine or on the net. Any idiot can cut and paste information, any moron can regurgitate recycled information over and over again.These are opinions from people who know what they are talking about, period. Peaz.

[nambo]

Sony’s claim that Resistance is 20 is just more smoke Sony’s blowing. What they don’t tell you is that they’re including every region onto the same disk. I don’t know how much larger they make it, but given Son’s history of hype, I would take what they say with a grain of salt. And with the Blu-Ray data transfer rate being so slow, I think load times will be much longer. Another thing, PC games will be staying on standard DL-DVD’s for quite some time, and the graphics on PC’s are better than the consoles. How many multi DVD games are there? Maybe a few but not much more than that. With new compression technologies, the 360 will have no problem getting the same games as the PS3 on one disk. Sony is just adding crap on the disk to push the Blu-ray format. I doubt the extra space will add much to the gaming experience.

[Watapata]

I just want to point out a few things that you clearly have wrong Mart, specifically, "Those exclusives are in no comparing to the AAA titles just mentioned. And some will fall as an exclusive also and you know it. I only have to mention GTA, Assassins Creed, Bioshock and you'll know what I am talking about. All once PS greatness or claimed to come to PS but no no it's 360 only. DMC4 soon " Game preference is just that, prefernce, its a matter of opinion, so what necessarilly makes your opinion right on this matter. In addition, only one of those games you mentioned is 360 exclusive, though you make it appear otherwise. There is absolutely no evidence to suggest that DMC4 is going to go multiplatform, though I guess there is a possibility, but theres just as much a possibility that various currently 360 exclusives will make it over to PS3. In addition, everything that you spout day in and day out about Sony's online plans are garbage, the fact of that matter is you don't know. And though it irks many that no one seems to know outside of Sony right now, suggesting otherwise is utterly ridiculous. You know, its one thing to be bias for one side, but its quite another to blatantly attack the competitor 9 times out of 10 in a post. Its completely unnecessary.

[uuuunvnv2]

ive had a 360 since it came out. mine never over heated, havent noticed any choppy gameplay, and for god sakes if you can hear your 360 running than your tv is a piece of crap and you need to get 1 that actually has working volume. what bad experience could you have had besides playing your games on mute obviously. the games the 360 has had so far are all mostly great titles, and the ones comming out this holiday...wont even go there b/c you already know. i think you could learn a few things from the first 2 posts. if people that WORK FOR A PS3 SITE say that its not all that, then you might want to take your $600 and go buy your self a tv with volume so you cant hear the "noisey 360" and play some realy hot games!!!

[lalaland]

It sounds like a vacuum cleaner.... It is so loud that my X360 is unusable as a DVD-player (ofcourse the sound sync problem helps as well). I bought it at launch... And it gets HOT!

And honestly, the few games I got for it aren't all that. I am looking forward to GoW though...

[Bebedora]

<#9:> ive had a 360 since it came out. mine never over heated, havent noticed any choppy gameplay, and for god sakes</#9>

Well, I am glad it was sucha great piece of hardware you got, but what I've experienced is different. Cant there be an other than your ex of XB360 that differs from yours? This one was loud. When the friend of mine showed Oblivion it was drops in frames, when he showed Enchanted Arms, it was friggin down under 15 frames/s. He reset it and didnt help, he shut it down and restarted after 5 minutes - this did help it out. What's the problem? Beats me. Overheat or bad coded piece of program. (Dev tools fault or hardware or developers).

<#9>
if you can hear your 360 running than your tv is a piece of crap and you need to get 1 that actually has working volume. what bad experience could you have had besides playing your games on mute obviously.</#9>

I agree with you there, it's not that it annoys you overwhelmingly while playing. Not that I was speaking of. The noicelevel is still present weather you think about it or not. It is a con (-) to the whole thing. <my opp>

<#9> the games the 360 has had so far are all mostly great titles, and the ones comming out this holiday...
<#9>

That is your oppinion. I think the difference in games to the XB360 is too much in favor to sports, FPS and racing (also sport, I guess). Some JRPG's coming - interesting, but not right now. The PS3 has innovative games like guitar hero, games where you act like a journalist, platform games like Ratchet, good quality sport and FPS, JRPG:s a plenty. My kind of games. And - it's the games, not the system I am buying. The pros for what I get from the PS3 is just WOW in my oppinion.

Now, I know people wants more for their $600 but I cant believe why. It's not like they are buying a rocketlauncher. $600 what can you get for electronic device for that kind of money?

[FeralPhoenix]

I have a question concerning your #8.4 and #9.1 post. Lets just say for the sake of arguement that your assumption about needing more space is correct. You mentioned you are looking forward to GOW, so my question is:

Would GOW be a bad/less of game if it was on 2 discs?
-in fact I would like to hear anyones opinion on that subject, and if you truly do feel that 2 disc's games would ruin your experience, please explain why?...just curious.

[Funky Town_TX]

Everyday the same ppl. Mart, DJ you guys are taking it to personal.

[PS3 Ultimate]

That is true. These guys are going at it everyday. All I do is throw in what I got to say and BAM/ I don't care what others say because I won't be back to the same news post. I only visit once.

[Boink]

you need to get it exchanged. sounds like you have one with a samsung drive, which is quite noisy.

I had mine switched, next to no noise at all.
cheers!

[Watapata]

Definitely right about that, it sounds like a problem. The few 360 units I've been around, while at friends' apartments, have definitely not been near that noisy.

[GaMa85]

Yeah i was gonna get one at launch but not any more for a number of reason.... 1. Every system has problems at launch considering this is new technology and unproven its def gonna have its fair share of problems.2 Its a little pricey for me now, i need bills and sh** to pay.3 So far theres not a ton of games announced or as i know of for the system, besides couple launch titles and others after that. 4. Exact reason why I'm not getting one right of the bat TGS didnt explain to me why im spendng 600 on there product. Didnt show us any online, alot unanswred question wich makes me pretty skeptical. Iam no being biased by anymeans i have ps1, ps2 and enjoy them dearly, im just gonna wait see what they have, but im pretty sure there gonna drop a bombshell soon, either they have something huge up there sleeve or there just unprepared this launch thinking technolgy is going to sell there system and not games.