Xbox 360 dominates start of gaming's key holiday sales season

Despite the debut of the Wii U, Microsoft's Xbox 360 was the best-selling system in the US for the 16th consecutive month in November, selling more than twice as much as any competing system. The Xbox 360 was also responsible for over half of all money spent on new retail game software for the month, according to a new report from market tracker NPD.

[GalacticEmpire]

They really need to start specifying Regions in these kind of headlines, it's misleading and borderline flame bait, especially with the language used i.e. "dominates". Like a 13 year old kid wrote it.

[EVILDEAD360]

It's hilarious how the headlines were how MS lost E3, in June. But come November the headlines that actually matter are the ones like this one prove what really mattered at E3.

MS never needed a new system last holiday and they clearly didn't need one in it's 7th year. People thought bthe MS had to do a price drop because of the dry summer, but like I kept saying all they needed was the inevitable yearaly Kinect price drop and let the bundles do the rest of the magic.

What is interesting is the Wii-U sold out of it's inventory, but will MS and Sony feel that the console is a threat of any kind until the following holiday?

December NPD will probably look exacly like November.

The big games early on will be the two prequels..Gears for the 360 and God of War for the PS3.

This will lead into the multiplats Bioshock: Infinite and the monster GTA V which will dominate till the next E3..

E3 will unveil what we all know will be the new consoles.

If 720 launches and MS finally drops the price on the 360, then we could potentially still see good nubers for the 360 and it's next gen replacement, similiar to the old PS2/PS3 launch days.

interesting times..

Evil

[Minato-Namikaze]

Ps3 also has ni no kuni and tales of xillia early next year

[Ezz2013]

the last of us ?! beyond ?!ni no kuni ?! tales of xillia .etc
you talk like ps3 only have god of war for 2013

[Riderz1337]

I'm going to laugh at you next year while I'm playing The Last of Us, God of War Ascension, Beyond: Two Souls and Sly Cooper 4: Thieves in Time

[Riderz1337]

I'm going to laugh at you next year while I'm playing The Last of Us, God of War Ascension, Beyond: Two Souls and Sly Cooper 4: Thieves in Time.

[Riderz1337]

I'm going to laugh at you next year while I'm playing The Last of Us, God of War Ascension, Beyond: Two Souls and Sly Cooper 4: Thieves in Time

[MrBeatdown]

"It's hilarious how the headlines were how MS lost E3, in June. But come November the headlines that actually matter are the ones like this one prove what really mattered at E3."

That might have something to do with the gaming media primarily aiming their analysis towards gamers, not stockholders.

It's nice that you think Microsoft's sales success is what "actually matters", but most of us are probably more interested in what E3 showings mean for us when we sit down in front of our consoles, not what it means for Microsoft's quarterly results.

[DragonKnight]

"It's hilarious how the headlines were how MS lost E3, in June. But come November the headlines that actually matter are the ones like this one prove what really mattered at E3."

Oh I see, so when MS is doing badly the headlines don't matter. When they do something right (for a change) that's when the headlines matter. Nope, you're not an MS fanboy/freelance PR rep at all.

"MS never needed a new system last holiday and they clearly didn't need one in it's 7th year. People thought bthe MS had to do a price drop because of the dry summer, but like I kept saying all they needed was the inevitable yearaly Kinect price drop and let the bundles do the rest of the magic."

Oh wow, straight off a pamphlet I tell you. I'm sure you're eagerly awaiting the gold stars you'll receive in the mail soon enough.

"December NPD will probably look exacly like November."

And what about global numbers?

"The big games early on will be the two prequels..Gears for the 360 and God of War for the PS3."

You also sound like vgchartz, in that you undertrack PS3, but in this instance in the big games that everyone else has already schooled you on.

"This will lead into the multiplats Bioshock: Infinite and the monster GTA V which will dominate till the next E3..

E3 will unveil what we all know will be the new consoles."

Why didn't you win that 500 million dollar powerball jackpot?

I mean seriously, just listen to yourself. Read the crap you write. You literally sound like you work for Microsoft. You do know they don't give a damn about how much you praise them or their product right? You're nothing but a number, a statistic, to them. Just apply for a PR position there and at least bring a legitimate reason to your constant fanboy praise of MS and the 360 so that people can begin to come to SOME understanding how you can be happy about MS riding the coattails of 3rd party developers and shunning the core gamer on a daily basis.

[EVILDEAD360]

LMAO @ the fankiddies with spam accounts getting all riled up for absolutely nothing.

First off NO ONE is bashing the 360, PS3, or the Wii-U..so put the pitchforks down.

'It's nice that you think Microsoft's sales success is what "actually matters", but most of us are probably more interested in what E3 showings mean for us when we sit down in front of our consoles, not what it means for Microsoft's quarterly results.'

First off the article IS about NPD sales and I know that ANY MS success eats you live, but what I'm talking about has nothing to do with quarterly results.

Once again, like I've always said, the winner of E3 isn't proven in June, it's proven when the games are released and what follows.

MS got bashed after E3 for leading off with Halo 4 and ending with Black Ops 2. While simply showing it had a strong lineup..

FAST FORWARD and guess what ACTUALLY mattered to ACTUAL gamers in November..millions and millions of gamers chose both Black Ops and Halo 4 to play when they sat down in front of their consoles AND both games were credited as the big reasons for the success the 360 had in November.

Moving [email protected] Minato, Up2013, and the spammer account..

I'm simply talking FACTS when I say the 'BIG' games coming from both Sony and MS are the prequels. This isn't a list of ALL titles coming for either consoles.

But let's keep it 100% when we talk about the big anticipated titles early on

Jan is Devil May Cry

Feb is Dead Space 3, Metal Gear Rising, and Bioshock: Infinite

March is Tomb Raider and the 'BIG' prequel releases of God of War: Ascension & Gears of War: Judgement

April is Dead Island: Riptide

May is the MONSTER...GTA V

June again is E3 2013..which the new consoles and holiday lineup will be announced..

We are talking games that wont be released for almost a YEAR from now.

Other than the VGAs tonight and E3, we can all simply speculate on what will happen in the future

Which is why I say as gamers we are living in interesting times.

Evil

edit @ Dragonknight

Still crying the same old song in 360 articles..LOL

[MysticStrummer]

MS did lose E3, so that's what the headlines at the time should have said. The fact that 360 sells well in the US has nothing to do with E3. People who don't have a current console usually buy what their friends have, if they don't have their own preference for particular exclusives. Add to that the whole social aspect of XBL, which kids love, and there's your answer for the numbers. I don't think Sony is too concerned about it, otherwise they would have dropped the PS3's price before Black Friday. Worldwide PS3 and 360 are pretty close to even, which is something given 360's headstart and lower price for most of the generation. They both got dominated by the Wii... smh

[Ezz2013]

@EVILDEAD360
lol dude
***" I'm simply talking FACTS when I say the 'BIG' games coming from both Sony and MS are the prequels. This isn't a list of ALL titles coming for either consoles.
But let's keep it 100% when we talk about the big anticipated titles early on
Jan is Devil May Cry
Feb is Dead Space 3, Metal Gear Rising, and Bioshock: Infinite
March is Tomb Raider and the 'BIG' prequel releases of God of War: Ascension & Gears of War: Judgement
April is Dead Island: Riptide
May is the MONSTER...GTA V
June again is E3 2013..which the new consoles and holiday lineup will be announced.. "******

so you are saying that the last of us and beyond are not big games ?!
the last of us alone are always the #1 or 2 on every one most wanted games on pretty much every site
it's as big as Bioshock and GTA
you don't want to admit it because xbox don't have any thing other than gears next year
that's fine
but don't act like those games are not HUGE because they are not on your system

and the fact that you call the ppl who show you that you are Dead wrong a fankiddies
tell me the whole story about you

[Omnislash]

@EVILDEAD

Oh so when everyone disagrees with your MS sales rep bullsh*t we're the "Fan kiddies" right?
I knew from the moment I saw this news post that you were gonna be in here spewing your BS again, just shut the hell up already.

[EVILDEAD360]

@ UP

First OFF you still keep FAILING to read..this is the ORIGINAL quote

'The big games EARLY on will be the two prequels..Gears for the 360 and God of War for the PS3.'

Secondly, I own all 3 consoles, and I'm talking about the Two of the Biggest exclusives in the FIRST HALF from BOTH consoles. This isn't the exclusives list war that you keep trying to play.

Every one knows Last of Us is the biggest game for Sony coming in 2013, but the release date for it, Beyond, and others won't be till AFTER E3. If they are coming in the FALL of 2013 we are talking almost an ENTIRE year.

I'm simply talking AGAIN about the BIG game releases that we KNOW about leading all into E3 2013.

Unless there are some new revelations coming at tonights VGAs or at another first half conference, it is strictly FACT that these are the BIG games that will be released prior to E3.

Evil

edit..

@ Omni

'I knew from the moment I saw this news post that you were gonna be in here spewing your BS again, just shut the hell up already.'

If it's BS then click disagree, prove it to be BS, or simply STFU...your choice...be we all know why your mad..lol

[Omnislash]

@EVIL

"If it's BS then click disagree"

Done.

"prove it to be BS"

Read your replies. Done.

"or simply STFU...your choice...be we all know why your mad..lol "

I aint even mad...
I mean its not like Im spewing some companies BS for free...

Oh and of course, how could I have forgotten...
http://careers.microsoft.co...

Get a job son.

[MrBeatdown]

"Once again, like I've always said, the winner of E3 isn't proven in June, it's proven when the games are released and what follows."

I know that's what you said. I was calling that stupid, in a nice way.

You criticize websites aimed at GAMERS for not deciding who wins E3 based on sales of a couple big games, and instead logically basing their OPINION of who won on their own personal tastes, breadth, quality, originality, and diversity of content, and what it means for their readers when they sit down to play.

It's hilarious that you act like because Microsoft wheeled out stuff like Call of Duty yet again, they won E3, as if it's some official status to be won. Black Ops 2 was going to sell like crazy anyway. But you act like because Call of Duty sold well, blowing 15 minutes of their press conference on it means MS's showing was the best.

Maybe they should just roll out an uninspired showing of CoD, Madden, and Assassin's Creed next year. They're all sure to sell a ton, and since whoever shows them off wins E3, I guess they'd probably be wasting their time trying to spend time on games that could actually use the exposure, right?

You make it sound like I'm upset about Microsoft's success, but I really don't care how well they do. I know you're just getting into your usual, tired, "fankiddie" shtick of attacking anyone who disagrees with you so you can distract from your nonsensical attempt at volunteer MS PR.

[nukeitall]

@MrBeatdown and @EVILDEAD360:

When E3 rolls around it is the minority that speaks, but when the games comes out, it is the majority that speaks. When push comes to shove, and money is laid on the table, gamers voted for CoD, Halo and so on. They ignored PS All Stars and new exclusives time and time again.

These game enthusiasts that works at game sites therefore cater to a minority.

"It's hilarious that you act like because Microsoft wheeled out stuff like Call of Duty yet again, they won E3, as if it's some official status to be won. Black Ops 2 was going to sell like crazy anyway. But you act like because Call of Duty sold well, blowing 15 minutes of their press conference on it means MS's showing was the best."

I don't know about being the best, but gamers certainly do care about CoD more than most other games so it seems reasonable to show 15 minutes of that.

Time and time again, there is almost no other game I hear more hate about, but when it is released it is the one game people line up to buy. Sorry, these haters cater to a minority so get over it.

[EVILDEAD360]

LMAO @ Beatdown

Here is the bottomline.regarless of ANYONE's opinion back in June or now.

People literally pretended that MS somehow failed at E3, SIMPLY because they opened the show with Halo 4 and closed with Black ops 2.

I said it then and I say it now, MS set themselves up perfectly for the holiday, by showing off the TWO most anticipated games of the year on their stage. sony chose the same strategy and banked onthe Assassin's Creed 3 PS3 with the exclusive DLC.

At the end of the day, the holiday results speak for themselves. Those two games are credited as the biggest impact for the success MS has had on NPD this November.

I brought it up because it is the ACTUAL topic of the article.

See I could careless if the usual suspects disagree with me. Because, I'm only expessing my opinion.

But, EVERYONE on here KNOWS why certain profiles have issues ANYTIME someone points to ANYTHING that is in ANYWAY positive for the 360.

I speak on the fankids (not everyone regardless of console preferance), because if I would have come on here screaming i'm going to laugh at you while i'm play Halo 4, Gears of war blah blah blah' and literally spammedthe SAME message 3 times in a row..80 profiles would have jumped down my throat calling me the SAME thing and guess what they would have been perfectly justified.

But look at what 'Riderz1337' wrote above..I rest my case.

Everyone can see through these profiles that BLEED troll and are flaming hypocrites calling other MS PR simply because they can't take off the Sony goggles long enough to realize that people can enjoy ALL consoles without bashing the others.

Case in point..Dragonknight VERY FRST comment out of 3000 is..

'Good to see you mike_mgoblue. For those who don't know, mike_mgoblue is a paid Microsoft employee who goes around and posts nothing but M$ propaganda. Don't listen to a single word he says.'

LMFAO..I cant make this up..and he does this ALL the time.

Omnislash LITERALLY is a GAMING employeee who admitted that he has to 'research' consoles because he knows nothing about them as an ACTUAL gamer..THIS is what OMNISLASH wrote about himself

'I did my research on all 3 systems and the PS3 is clearly the best, I SELL video games and I tell people the facts on all 3 consoles and let them make a decision, 90% of the time they want a PS3. The only time someone wants an Xbox is because theyre huge halo fans or something happened to their last Xbox. The only time they want a wii is usually for their kids.'

Again, I can't make this up..Case closed

Here's the REALITY that the blind on N4G won't admit...Gamers who are truly gaming Fans can speak intelligently on the hobby some of us are passionate about. In fact it's almost prerequisite on OTHER well known gaming forums.

But, again we all KNOW why certain profiles target others on N4G..period.

Keep em' coming...real recognizes real..You can see through the fake ones on sites like glass.

On subject..

One of the breaking news stories, last night at the VGAs dropped that we ALL get to play Last of Us in MAY..BEFORE E3. Which is GREAT news for ALL of us and really makes the rumors of PS4 coming sooner than later start to have some weight behind it.

Interesting times...

Evil

[email protected] nukeitall..Well said post

[MrBeatdown]

@nuke

"When E3 rolls around it is the minority that speaks, but when the games comes out, it is the majority that speaks. When push comes to shove, and money is laid on the table, gamers voted for CoD, Halo and so on. They ignored PS All Stars and new exclusives time and time again."

Majority, huh? MW3 sold to what... 20% of the 360 owners? That's the 360's best selling game, and that's nowhere near a majority. That other 80% doesn't care about CoD. There is no "majority" in gaming. Not even close.

And hey, let's talk about money laid on the table. Who's been more successful post E3? Well, the PS3 caught up to the 360 in sales. One of those games is on PS3 and doing incredibly well too. That leaves what proving MS won E3? One game, and an edge in sales of one game? Are we just ignoring the other three or four hours of content shown at the conferences?

"These game enthusiasts that works at game sites therefore cater to a minority."

Well, at least you got that right. Might want to let Evil know so he doesn't get his jimmies any more rustled than they already are when websites cater to their audience.

"I don't know about being the best, but gamers certainly do care about CoD more than most other games so it seems reasonable to show 15 minutes of that."

That "wins" them E3 though? That proves all other showings and strategies are inferior, and proves the OPINIONS that others have on those conferences wrong unless they declare MS the official winner?

"Time and time again, there is almost no other game I hear more hate about, but when it is released it is the one game people line up to buy. Sorry, these haters cater to a minority so get over it."

Websites that don't instantly think showing 15 minutes of Call of Duty is the best showing possible are haters? Now I've heard it all.

@Evil

Wow... I quit reading pretty early on. I'm not too interested in reading your term paper.

The fact is, after six months, you drag up E3, and claim the success of a couple games out of dozens "PROVES" which E3 strategy was superior, as if your way of looking at E3 is the only correct way.

You must be pretty bitter over E3 if six months later, you're drumming up some criteria that supposedly "proves" which showing is the best. What makes it all the more pathetic is that you use numbers as the basis of your "proof" and jump to the conclusion that MS won without even seeing sales numbers for other major E3 highlights... the Wii U's staying power for Nintendo, or the sales of major PS3 highlights, like God of War or The Last of Us. And hell, I didn't see you crowing about who did well at E3 when Sony caught up to Microsoft in console sales a few weeks ago, even though that proves that in the aftermath of E3, the PS3 sold better, and is probably the most significant piece of sales data of the year thus far.

Keep trying Evil. You can keep on pretending I'm saying this because of an issue with MS. It doesn't change the fact that the only thing I'm taking issue with, is your idiotic attempt at awarding MS an E3 victory, and criticizing websites for having differing opinions that aren't based solely on sales data for a select few games. Think hard on that. Maybe this time you'll actually get it.

[EVILDEAD360]

'Wow... I quit reading pretty early on. I'm not too interested in reading your term paper.'

Says the guy who just wrote the same term paper in response.

Nah..I KNOW you read it all, simply to find ANYTHING to respond to.

You can't find anything because I kept 100% real in exposing the silly hypocrisy on this site.

I won't bother quoting your term paper. It's simple you keep claiming I said MS only won because of the NPD results.

Completely false. I believed MS won for a range of reasons. Also, your bringing in Nintendo and Sony when this had nothing to do with either of them.

The article is about the 360s great November NPD, which is what MS concentrated on in their E3 presentation and the FACT is it all worked out for them, whether YOU or anyone likes it or not.

No no one is MAD six months later, except bt hurt people who are clearly upset and the 360 success. you should know, that's why your in hear whining with the rest.

Ther hilarious part is pretending a game that is breaking entertainment records like Call of Duty should somehow be judeged by the amount of people who didn't buy the game..lol. That's like claiming that Avatar wasnt a juggernaut because billions of people didnt bother' to go to the theater to see it...LOL

Case closed..moving on

Evil

[MrBeatdown]

Lulz.

Evil, you never disappoint when it comes to complete and utter cluelessness.

Your "term paper" of a response to me took up my laptop screen twice over. My response to you took up half my screen. You wrote four times what I did. Most of what I wrote was towards nukeitall. Hence the "@nuke". Complicated, I know.

"Completely false. I believed MS won for a range of reasons. Also, your bringing in Nintendo and Sony when this had nothing to do with either of them. "

Fourth word: "Believed". Believed? As in, your opinion? Last I checked, you were talking about how these numbers "proved what really mattered" and using that as the basiss for attacking different sites' OPINION on E3, as if what you "believed" was factual and can't be disputed. Fact, or opinion? Flip flop, or a less than spectacular grasp of the English language? You decide.

As for bringing up Nintendo and Sony?

Well...

"It's hilarious how the headlines were how MS lost E3"

Ninth word: "Lost". Lost implies losers and winners. If someone "lost", someone "won". That someone would be their competitors. This is how winning and losing works. Raise your hand if you still have a question how that works. If you're using this article to dispute opinions that MS lost, and therefore someone "won," Sony and Nintendo are relevant, even if you'd prefer to pretend otherwise.

Either that or you're an idiot, attacking articles that basically chose the best showing BY COMPARISON, and trying to paint them as inaccurate just because Microsoft's showing was good, irregardless of how well they performed relative to the competition. So again I ask... Flip flop, or a less than spectacular grasp of the English language? You decide.

"No no one is MAD six months later, except bt hurt people who are clearly upset and the 360 success. you should know, that's why your in hear whining with the rest."

And finally, your idiocy hits it's peak with this one. I never had a problem with Microsoft's success. I only took issue with the stupidity of you attacking E3 comparison opinion articles, as if their opinion could be proven wrong, and their methodology in determining the winners and losers was wrong.

The sad fact is that in all your rambling, nothing you said addressed what I was actually saying about you can't seem to separate fact from opinion. You just pretend everyone's out to get Microsoft and hope your drivel gets a pass.

Oh, wait. There's one more fail...

"Ther hilarious part is pretending a game that is breaking entertainment records like Call of Duty should somehow be judeged by the amount of people who didn't buy the game..lol. That's like claiming that Avatar wasnt a juggernaut because billions of people didnt bother' to go to the theater to see it...LOL "

I was disputing the "majority" claim nukeitall used. The MAJORITY does not care about Call of Duty. No game has an appeal so broad that one can say anything about the majority. That's an absolute fact. Don't hate me because I have a firm grasp of the English language.

[Lvl_up_gamer]

Well it does say right in the first sentence that its in the US. Maybe people shouldn't just read the title and actually read the contents within it before getting upset about what the title says. The title is true, it's just doesn't say US until the actual the first sentence.

[GalacticEmpire]

The description isn't included on the front page of N4G though. Nobody is upset, just pointing out the lack of thought/integrity that went into the headline.

[Muerte2494]

to mention that sales for the month of November for the 360 was down -30% compared to last year. Given how the Ps3 performed better than last year during the week of black Friday, I'm curious to see their number for this month. Last year Sony did about 900,000 for the month of November. I hate that so called journalist are forgetting that USA had only an allocation of 400,000 Wii U for launch.
http://www.examiner.com/art...
Given how anyone can call that a failure is beyond me. Nintendo's Wii U had a 60% attach rate also. Meaning to profit, people had to buy only one game with the system and 60% of people did. You have to be completely oblivious to call that a failure.
Microsoft sold 8.2 million last year holiday quarter getting it's boost from Skyrim and Modern Warfare 3. Given that Black Ops2 sales are nowhere near MW3, I don't see them achieving that again. their already 500,000 behind.

[nukeitall]

@Muerte2494:

"November for the 360 was down -30% compared to last year"

It's likely not mentioned, because it isn't true at all. MS actually sold almost 2 million consoles just a few days over a month:

"It's worth noting, however, that what the NPD Group considers "November" is actually October 28 through November 24, which means that sales from the Sunday and Monday following Black Friday did not contribute."

"As has become the routine, Microsoft holds top honors as far as console sales are concerned, with consumers purchasing 1.26 million Xbox 360s over the course of November and 750,000 during Black Friday week alone."

That is 1.26 million plus 750k which equals over 2 million.

Source: http://www.joystiq.com/2012...

[Muerte2494]

@nukeitall
Black Friday week is from November 18th- 24th. So yeah that 750k is added in there. Xbox360 sales last year were 1.7 million.

@DK286K,
I didn't intentionally forget it but thanks for bringing it into the discussion. But like the subscription based $99 Xbox360, the $199 ps3 is was limited too. Compared to last year, Skyrim and Modern Warfare 3 helped propel the 360 last holiday season. Halo 4 (got my copy) boosted sales but Black Ops 2 fell a bit short. 40 million of Microsoft 70 million 360 are here in the US. Microsoft needs to do something big to come out this holiday season on top (worldwide).

[MysticStrummer]

No nukeitall, that 750k is included in the 1.26 million. If you read the sentence you quoted, that's what it says.

[Oh_Yeah]

Imagine their sales if online was free.

[nukeitall]

Maybe, maybe not.

Part of the reason why XBL is awesome is because they charge a price and therefore is able to invest more into it. It takes a lot of resources to hire engineers to maintain, create and develop all these things we enjoy.

Take for instance how many times the dashboard has been revamped and how every single app in XBL is customized. It's not the vanilla one all the competitors gets.

So if you took out the fee, I wonder how much of the frequent investment and updates will remain. It has to have some payoff for a company to focus on and invest.

[Muerte2494]

and I can attest that there is no difference between the two services. Actually PS plus offers you free full game download and Full Game trails. Hulu Plus and Netflix interface on the ps3 are more simplistic than the Xbox360 counterpart. I have yet to see Microsoft do an MMO with Xbox Live even though they planned on with Marvel. DC Universe and Dust514 are being done on PSN even though XBOX LIVE has been around for 10years (PSN only 6years).

[jimbobwahey]

It will be interesting to see if Microsoft's November sales in America will be enough to pull them out of last place this generation, now that Sony has overtaken them and shows no signs of slowing down.

[Anon1974]

I think it's doubtful at this point. For the 3 reported quarters this year the PS3 has outsold the 360 by nearly two to one worldwide according to official data. The 360 numbers have been down 40% this year, and even US numbers for Nov have been down 20%. By contrast, PS3 sales are up 8% this year over last according to Sony's official figures, and they just revealed that weekly black Friday figures were also up about 9%.

Even if 360 Christmas numbers are only down 20% and not the 40% they've been the rest of the year, it looks like the PS3 is set to walk away this year worldwide and solidify a second place finish overall this gen. If the 360 was going to show some life, we would have seen it in November. We didn't, we saw continued weakness in their best territory. The rest of the world won't be as kind but as this generation winds down, it's been a helluva ride.

It's funny, I pointed out the fact that the PS3 has pulled ahead of the 360 now when you look at the total picture (70.2 million to 70 million as of Sept 30) and some guy accused me of only looking at data that suited my purpose (whatever that might be), then went on to rant about how well the 360 did during the holidays last year. So I'm cherry picking data by looking at all of it? Oh, the irony!

http://www.scei.co.jp/corpo...

http://www.microsoft.com/in...

[Muerte2494]

Sales are down for Xbox360 -22% as oppose to last year. You think they mean nothing but they actually mean alot. This are the numbers from Xbox360 strongest market. US is only thing keeping Xbox360 in the game. Well over 50% of Xbox360's LTD sales are from America. This means less people are buying Xbox360 than there were last year and more people are buying ps3 than compared to last year. Xbox360 has reached saturation in America.

[DragonKnight]

"do you really believe that 360 won't outsell PS3 by more than 200,000 for the rest of the year?"

Given history (meaning the PS3 always outsells the 360 every year globally), and given upcoming games, yes there is no reason to believe the 360 will outsell the PS3.

"Come February, when official numbers for the entire 2011 calendar year come in, we'll likely see more of the same - 360 comfortably back ahead of PS3."

Yeah you wish. Won't happen but keep that hope alive.

[Lvl_up_gamer]

@ DK286K

I don't understand why you have disagrees unless those that disagreed are upset fanboys about the truth or that they are too young to understand percentages.

Possibly you may need to formulate so that that those who would normally disagree can understand better.

Year 1 - Console A sold 1,000,000
Year 1 - Console B sold 500,000

Year 2 - Console A sold 800,000
Year 2 - Console B sold 600,00

Console A sold 200,000 LESS in Year 2 then it did in Year 1 resulting in a -20% decline

Console B sold 100,000 MORE in Year 2 then it did in Year 1 resulting in a
20% increase.

However in Year 1 console A sold 500,000 MORE then console B and in Year 2 Console A sold 200,000 MORE then Console B totaling a lead in sales for console A of 700,000 even though console B shows a 20% increase in year 2 and Console A showed a decrease of -20%.

So as you can see kiddies who disagreed, percentages are a way to spin the factual numbers. This is generally a tactic executives use to show their share holders and board members so that they don't have to give away the actual numbers.

This is MATH people. Disagreeing with MATH just proves your own ignorance and inability to accept truth and facts.

[GribbleGrunger]

jimbobwahey, everyone here knows I'm a Sony fan but I'm afraid that the PS3 is still behind the 360. Microsoft shipped 1.7 million 360s in 'September' and will have sold them early October. Sony released their 70 million sold in October, which probably included a similar 'shipped' figure.

Every year for the last 6 weeks the 360 outsells the PS3 (sometimes not in the last two weeks but generally speaking it does) This stretches their lead, but then Sony outsells the 360 up until March which wipes any gains they made over Christmas out (in terms of yearly sales). And then the PS3 outsells the 360 for the remainder of the year.

It has been like this for 4 years now which is why the gap has shrunk so dramatically. BUT, please don't think that the PS3 is in the lead based on the 70 million announcement by Sony because the 360 had another months worth of sales AFTER they announced the 70 million themselves. Play fair and be real.

Look to July for what you want, May if the big hitters like GOWA, Beyond, TLOU and Puppeteer sell lots of consoles.

[Muerte2494]

This is what you're missing. Microsoft announce they passed 70 million based on the Quarterly report. Sony's same 70.2 million is from that exact same quarter. http://en.wikipedia.org/wik...

If you need more proof here you go.
http://www.scei.co.jp/corpo...
April-Sept = 6.3 million ps3 shipped

http://www.eurogamer.net/ar...
63.9 million as of March 31st, 2012

63.9 + 6.3 = 70.2 million ps3 sold

But we won't 100% until early next year. Mid -January for Microsoft and early February for Sony.

[GribbleGrunger]

Yeah, Dante put me right on that too. I'm really surprised. I'd say their not in front but it's certainly not the gap I calculated. The gap must be around the million mark then. Jesus, Sony could lead by March.

[Lvl_up_gamer]

At this point it doesn't really matter who is in the lead.

The next gen already started with the release of the Wii U so this gen which is now actually last gen was won by Nintendo and MS came in 2nd with a close 3rd by Sony.

[XabiDaChosenOne]

@Lvl_up_gamer LOL! I knew some 360 fanboy was eventually going to use that fail argument, such childish tatics. Contrary to what you believe it DOES matter, even after the launch of the WiiU but just to play along... those numbers are from september 30th, thats almost 2 months before the launch of the WiiU. Therefore the PS3 surpassed the 360 in sales almost 2 months before the start of next gen. Call it a photo finish if you will :-)

[Ryo-Hazuki]

They dominate the U.S because MS has the pricing edge (the entire gen for that matter) against the PS3. PS3 had limited bundles for $199 which sold out then the cheapest PS3 you can purchase is $270 I believe while MS has tons of Xbox bundles for $199 and if any bundles sell out you can still get an Xbox for $199. Why Sony has limited quantities of $199 PS3 bundles? Due to higher manufacturing cost than the 360 Sony in need of making profit per console so they didn't want to take much of a hit. That's why they never dropped the price of the base model PS3. Next-gen they will learn from their mistakes.

The title is misleading because it's just the U.S and UK. Everywhere else PS3 dominates. Why do you think PS3 is on path to surpass 360's install base...they are only a month behind. All these NPD's cloud people's minds

[Ben_Grimm]

Dont you find it funny though that all of the "world" sales that you and others keep bringing up hardly equals to the amount of sales the US and UK generates alone?

And the core 360 consoles are $250 just like the PS3, not $270. And the 360 with a 4GB is $199, but I personally have not seen a bundle for $199. If so then that is a good deal.

"Why do you think PS3 is on path to surpass 360's install base"

Even the most die hard PS3 fans on this site have given up repeating this statement over and over again. Especially after what, 5/6 years AND at the end of the 360's life cycle.

[Hicken]

If the "world" sales didn't equal the US/UK sales, why is the PS3 constantly catching up?

The PS3 HAS- or had, for a while- outsold the 360 worldwide by about 200k. And while you talk about the 360 being at the end of its lie cycle, maybe you forget that the PS3 is, as well.

Or does that not matter, for some reason?

Edit: And please explain to me how it's lost on you and others that the PS3 is closing in on the 360's sales numbers with a year less time on the market, and at a higher average price to boot?

Care to explain that?

[Ben_Grimm]

@Hicken

Oh hicken in full defense mode, shields up I see.

The PS3 is always playing catch up, ps3 fans (YOU ESPECIALLY) have been saying this for the past 5 years. Give it up, the 360 is at the finish line of its cycle.

Oh and I havent forgot that the PS3 is at the end of its cycle which is even worse seeing how it still hasnt caught the 360 in terms of sales.

Come back when you have a point or when you can answer the PM's I so schooled you on that you couldn't even respond because of your lack of understanding.

Edit:
Gawd, I love how you always have to have people explain sh*t to you and yet you have nothing to say yourself.

Please explain how a company who has dominated all this time was able to come in at 3rd place (even with all that fantastic hardware) after a successful PS2 and be beaten by not only the 360 but by a simple upgraded gamecube called the Wii.

Of course knowing you, you will use some tired excuse like "Sony didn't advertise enough" or "360 was a shooter console" or "people were brainwashed" which you have used all three in the past.

[YodaCracker]

Every single year the same people say the PS3 is about to surpass the 360's install base and then the holiday season comes and goes, and what do you know? The sales gap is back to the same it was a year ago again. Enough excuses... Just face it, the PS3 is just not as popular as the Xbox 360. Who cares? Just enjoy your PS3. No need to go into damage control mode every holiday season. Microsoft and Nintendo own this time of the year. Just play your PS3 and ignore the sales articles because they will not tell you what you want to hear.

[DivineAssault]

The US is dominated by MS.. Why? i dont know but everyone is infatuated with Halo & COD on it out here.. I personally see no value in owning xbox or its services.. I will be skipping 720 if theres no killer exclusives & only go with PS4

[OC_MurphysLaw]

I wish we would see more articles address the issue that regardless of which console has sold what in a month...the over all trend for 2012 has been... decline. Nobody is up YOY in terms of the consoles. If ever there was a clearer sign for both MS and Sony to be bringing the new hardware it would be that.

[Jek_Porkins]

True enough everything is down, but that is because of market saturation. There obviously isn't going to be the demand for the current consoles in year seven that there was in previous years.

I will say that I read an article that says gaming is actually up now compared to when the first next gen console launched (Xbox 360) in 2005. You cant expect growth every year, and the Xbox 360 technically had the best year of its life in 2011, its pretty unbelievable that they are doing so well right now, even with the oldest hardware and with most gamers knowing that the next Xbox is coming out next year.

On topic, of course the Xbox 360 had a great holiday, I saw everyone gauging to get those $125-$150 Xbox 360's on Black Friday, I bought two as gifts because its basically an impulse buy to do it. The back catalog is perfect and cheap when you think about it.

I mean when the Xbox 360 launched, if you were in 5th grade, you are now graduating from High School......weird when you think about it.

[Jigga69]

PS3 won, 70 million and it's only 5-6 years old.

PS3 exclusives in 2013 confirmed :
Yakuza 5
Ni No Kuni
Tales Of Xillia
The Last Of US (Naughty Dog everyone ?)
God Of War Ascension
Beyond Two Souls (Quantic Dream everyone ?)
Sly 4
Puppeteer

Probably inFamous 3, and I'm not even talking about Final Fantasy Versus XIII and The Last Guardian.

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And as for the ones who say 360 and gap thanks to holidays, I will say this : the gap was 8 million 3 years ago, it is now between 1 and 2 million. Do the math, even being out one and a half year later it is climbing up.

[Jigga69]

Instead of disagree find an argument to say I'm wrong.....

[Jek_Porkins]

I disagreed because as a gamer I don't care about sales or who won. Every console this generation has put out some amazing games. Its been a bit of up and down, but arguing over something as dumb as numbers, especially when a new generation has just kicked off, doesn't make much sense.

If PS3 is fine for you, then that is great, but people can like other consoles as well. I own all of them, including a Wii U. Nobody thought the Wii would do anything last generation and it did really well, the Xbox 360 has been quite steady throughout and the PS3 really picked up steam late. If your happy, why go out of your way to try and prove a point about stupid numbers? No matter how many consoles your preferred console sells, its not going to give you more fun with it my friend.

[Jigga69]

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[theindiearmy]

"Despite the debut of the Wii U, Microsoft's Xbox 360 was the best-selling system in the US for the 16th consecutive month in November,..."

What do they mean 'Despite the debut'? During a debut there is a real limit to quantity. Plus, the system debuted on the 18 and only seven days of sales data was collected by the NPD. Of course more 360s will be sold throughout the entire month.

[ghostrider32]

All this arguing over sales. Unless you're seeing any of that money......... http://www.youtube.com/watc...

[SOULJER]

OK. SING THIS WITH ME. (WOH) It's going to be a GOOD life. I got to pay for Online. Multi disc time. (OH) It's going to be a rare life. Im missing a Hard drive. What the hell is this Kinect pipe. (YO) it's going to be a sad life. Wonder what 3D looks like. Bluray could be nice. (FUCK NO) It's going to be a bad life. Wish I had a home life. Exclusive would feel so rifht.

[Clarence]

The 360 is doing well but come on the PS3 is at 70.2m in 6yrs. It took the 360 7yrs to reach 70m.

The PS3 is easily outselling the 360.

[Belking]

No its not. People have been saying this for years now and sony is still behind. At this point it doesn't really matter anymore. Xbox has stolen a considerable market share that sony may never get back. It doesn't really matter how many years it took. MS came into this whole gaming thing an underdog and now they have created a strong brand and can go toe to toe with sony at their own game.

[gamern4g]

How can it be?

[Drainage]

its doing so well with only one exclusive lmao . damn americans are so stupid . Good thing I am from california which is the only state worth a shit here

[millzy102]

why do you all care, we are not business men, were gamers I just want to play games, i don't Care if Xbox is selling more than PlayStation or vise verser, I have my console that's all I care about. people get too concerned in things that really don't concern them is any one on here a share holder, I think not now shut up and play games.

[Droid Control]

So 360 and PS3 are outselling the Wii U?

Ouch.
But this isn't anything new.
The PS2 outsold the 360 and the PS3 in their first years too. The initial cost of next gen technology is off putting to poor people.