Can Xbox 360 Achievements Be Cloned For PS3?

Kotaku's Mark Wilson writes:

"I sat down with the developers of GameStrata today (that powerful game stats analysis site that we told you about a few weeks back). And while they didn't have any major announcements for me to break, they did enlighten me as to their gameplan for their coming-in their mind-years of success.

And I have to admit, their plan sounds pretty good. So hit the jump for their ideas on cloning Xbox achievements for PS3 users and a lot of other neat stuff."

[Iron Man 2]

We PLAYSTATION®3 owners will be getting Home™ Trophies which are better than any lame achievement points,and what's up with all this SONY copying Microsoft nonsense,Microsoft wants to add a Blu-Ray player to their Xbox 360 seeing as HD DVD sunk

$niper

[360_Rules]

So you are going to have 100 trophies? I bet you are going to get smaller Achivements for things and only a few trophies or maybe even just one for once you complete the game. How do you think Sony got so big they copy everyone. :D

[InYourMom]

I called this almost a year ago(not here) that they would copy achievements and then the droids would claim superiority..

Sorry.. Often replicated, but never duplicated..

Wannabe

[pwnmaster3000]

i agreed with u if sony copies micro its a big deal but wen micro copies sony no one cares... hmmm interesting and da hell with points we got trophies i will get trophies then points any day

[DrPirate]

It was a big deal in '06 when the PS3 "copied" the Wii Remote (Motion Sensing)

Sony wasn't let off the hook, don't worry.

[pwnmaster3000]

i dont getu there are disagreeing with my comment or agreeing sorry just dont understand

[Bladestar]

what did microsoft copy from Sony? if anything Microsoft copy from Nintendo and other consoles...but Playstation... what exactly did microsoft copy from Sony that Sony invented than no one ever had before? I don't have a problem with Sony copying xbox live features... good for them... I think the game industry should use what it's know to work... achivements work... so copy it... hell even the wii should have it.

[Rhezin]

that's right no one cares because there's not enough people with a ps3 TO care. Yah, and good luck with those Homo Trophies and your Framerateland.

[TheHater]

Ok, I will enjoy it. But you will not.

[pwnmaster3000]

it has over 9million user base dats big enough for people to care and outsold 360 last year so yeah

[Mikelarry]

give it a fancy name like accomplishments but make it into a 3d beauty voila

[sonarus]

home will be nice maybe we can use our customized home characters as our gamer pics. Home does help to set up some great tournaments though. Meet at someones apartment for a tourney and launch straight into the game together.

[HalfFireWater]

You know, the more I here about Hoe, the more it sounds like Phantasy Star Universe, you have you Avatar, you have your own apartment that you can decorate, and you can place vases and pictures and other people can visit your room. The bad thing is that, you have to search for your friends within the confines of PSU, I have to go to the search engine, pull up my in game friends list, and search, then I teleport to their room. But if they are out in the town, i still have to find them, or voice chat them and we meet somewhere. sometimes a 10 min process to find 1 friend to go questing with. Now Home wants me to do this and then load up another game and what, will it put us all in the same lobby in that game. Sorry that was a rant. But with trophies, how many trophies will you have in one room, will the trophies be like Madden rings, or NCAA trophies. That virtual space will get big in a hurry, especially with all these great games coming out for PS3. There are at least 30 games that I have to get, times 20 trophies per game(average) that is 600 trophies in a room, where will I place my Big screen so we can all watch my new Blu-ray movie and where will all my friends sit in room.

achievements on 360 are fine the way they are, they are clean, neat, and precise. within the individual games you get trophies but no real virtual space is taken up to store them,

[name]

Why does everyone act as if Achievements are some revolutionary concept never before thought of? You do something and it gets put on a list for people to see. The only thing different is the "for people to see" part. Where did dual analog sticks originate? Dual shock maybe? That concept singlehandledly saved FPS on consoles. Thank Sony for that. Who has added wifi attachments, hdmi, and has pretty much made a generation of taking would be sony exclusies and making them multiplatform? And Kotaku makes a note of saying sony "copied" microsoft for having achievements? Gime a fu;king break.

[Zhuk]

All Sony has done has copied Microsoft's success and innovation this generation, Sony is a company famous for creating inferior products and suckering their consumers why stop now

[360_Rules]

Yeah Sony made the PS2. LOL

[pwnmaster3000]

like wat

[EZCheez]

Are you kidding me?

I don't even know what to say to that.

[PopEmUp]

xbox is so innovative

[DarkSniper]

PLAYSTATION® 3 is the centerpiece for home console innovation and true next generation entertainment. Not only will the accomplishment system surpass XBOX 360, but it will revolutionize it to the point that Microsoft has no choice but to emulate the exact formula of success that Sony uses.

Dark Sniper will continue to reiterate the truth to each and every Microsoft slave worldwide as they take personal offense to his comments.

$niper

[InYourMom]

So you are even posting with 2 different accounts in the same thread? I guess it's not against the rules to make multiple accounts.

Your comments stink of jealousy my friend, just get a 360 it's OK. It kinda reminds me of grade school when you would pull on the hair of the girl you liked to get her attention.

You talk about MS slaves, yet you are the biggest Sony slave I've seen.

[DarkSniper]

Dark Sniper has no need to create multiple accounts. The truth of the matter is that Sony Snipers worldwide have felt the need to replicate the greatness that is known to all Microsoft slaves as Dark Sniper.

Dark Sniper has singlehandedly changed the image of N4G from an XBOX polluted website to a place where each and every Sony Sniper can discuss the gaming haven known as PLAYSTATION® 3. With declining sales and piss-poor hardware, it's difficult to speak about Dumpster Juice 360 in a positive manner. Dark Sniper has spoken the truth on this matter on numerous occasions and there are several if not all N4G members who wish to replicate the success of Dark Sniper.

There's only one Dark Sniper, and you're talking to him.

$niper

[wow4u]

You are a real laugh riot. Thanks for the giggle. I loled.

[meepmoopmeep]

well, they have already added "accomplishments" in DMC4. Home will be an awesome place to visually see your accomplishments in 3D.

[PlayStation360]

Accomplishments are in Resistance and Uncharted. :)

[meepmoopmeep]

right you are, i almost forgot about them... but DMC4 actually tells you what your friends have accomplished and it tells them what you have as well.

[PlayStation360]

someone really doesn't agree with us. :P

[MorganX]

Who needs achievements in 3D VR? Just copy Live's model. The average gamer is mid-30s. The thought of having to control some goofball avatar and walk around in a toy VR house to get to a trophy case to view achievements could only be though up by the Japanese.

This has no appeal to me whatsoever. Just give me a blade with achievements. Don't reinvent the wheel. Just copy what MS has done and move on...

[bootsielon]

They're probably gonna be surpassed. That's competition. It's likely that Microsoft will come out with "Xbox LIVE Universe" sometime not so far after Home comes out, perhaps a year, and it will 1up Sony's Home, and then Sony will do something better... yada yada yada.

Zhuk, InYourMom, go back to your hole to mourn HD-DVD, or better yet, follow HD-DVDs footsteps if you know what I mean.

[deeznuts]

Achievements/accomplishments don't do it for me. But apparently it does for a bunch of people, so I may have to check this out when it comes.

[FKN Unbelievable]

If this somehow miraculously happens we can sit back and here Sony fanboy say how they made up the whole achievement scheme.
Whats Funny is Sony Steals from everybody the claiim that they originated the ideas they stole. Oh Well while Ps3 owners Roam around their own room looking stupid shining worthless throphies i'll be playing a Plethora of video games in mine.

[chanto23]

and they are even cooler that the ones on DMC4 cause instead of an ugly screen popping after each mission telling you what you've unlocked, they used a little in-game pop up window very similar to the one used on xbox live.

[chaosatom333]

just having achievements is enough. i don't want xbots saying that the game is inferior because it's doesn't have achievements or that they have been saying that.

[wow4u]

Why does ridiculous claims bother you? Yes, Sony sees MS's success with Achievements and is working furiously to copy them.

That shouldnt take away from you enjoying the feature.

These two (three) machines dont exist in a vacuum. Each takes what it can from the others. The question is who can do the most, the quickest.

Relax.

[Figboy]

last year had Accomplishments.

Resistance, Warhawk, Ratchet and Clank Future, and Uncharted also have their own version of "achievements." Ratchet and Clank have been doing "Skill Points" since the beginning of that series.

it's not anything new to Playstation, but new in such a large scale.

personally, i don't *LIKE achievements. i just don't see the point. i'm 28 years old, i don't *CARE about bragging to my friends that i got 10,000 achievement points. why? why is that an important thing? *HOW is that making my game any better?

there are exceptions to this, however.

Uncharted, for example, gives you points for medals that you earn by doing things like killing an enemy with a certain weapon, or finding a certain secret. those points, in turn, can be used to buy unlockables, like extra cut scenes, alternate character skins (i finally unlocked all the skins yesterday), unlimited ammunition, slow motion mode, fast motion mode, one shot kills, etc. at least those points *DO something, and therefore, i'm willing to pursue them.

points for the sake of points lost their interest for me in the 80's and NES games.

i know people like Achievements. hell, my fiance, is addicted to them (she's trying to get all the achievements in Mass Effect, currently). i just don't understand *WHY they are such a big deal, or how they actually, somehow, make a game, better (hint: they *DON'T, just ask Bomberman Act Zero).

a good game is a good game, regardless of achievements, accomplishments, entitlements, whatever the hell you want to call them. but hey, Sony, do what you have to do if that's what's going to get more people to buy your stuff. whatever.

[wow4u]

So, Achievements arent your thing. Want a cookie? Videogames are about entertainment, and not everything appeals to everyone.

[Figboy]

is that Achievements *DON'T make a game better.

yes, people enjoy them, and i'm aware of that (my fiance loves them, for example), but the point is that many a PS3 game has been demerited because of "Achievements."

many times, a reviewer has recommended the 360 version of an equally enjoyable game (ie, Call of Duty 4) because of "Achievements" when, for a certain audience, that doesn't effect the fun of the game in *ANY way.

i was also pointing out, that there are *ALREADY many PS3 games that use an achievement like system, and often reward you for attaining said achievements (ie, Ratchet and Clank and Uncharted give you extras for earning their "achievement points").

and like i said in my earlier post; i don't have a problem with achievements as long as it's worth more than just, say, boosting your "gamer score" to appease your *OWN ego. earning achievements doesn't make you any better of a gamer than not earning achievements. if i get a cool unlockable (ie, getting 900 points in Uncharted unlockes unlimited ammunition and one shot kills), then "achievements" are certainly worth it, but i don't need a scoreboard to reinforce how good of a gamer i am. i'm not that insecure.

so yes, your smarminess wasn't warranted, or needed here. stop being so sensitive next time, mmkay?

[FirstknighT]

Isn't it a lil to late for achievements on the ps3??? What about all the other games you have already played and beat? What's the point now? It's cool to see a total gamerscore and see what games people have played and how far they got. But it's a lil to late for the ps3.

[Fishy Fingers]

What about people who bought their PS3 today, tomorrow, next week, next month etc etc

Is it a little late for them?

[FirstknighT]

So I guess the 10 million users that already have beaten games are screwed?

[Keowrath]

I think you put a little too much importance in achievements. The 10 million people who already own a PS3 are screwed??? LOL no.

I've never been a big fan of achievements. They're basically there to tell you how to play a game. I'm sorry, I do that without being told do 5 headshots, play left handed, I'm playing through DMC4 and pretty much all of the achievements are things that I have done or am going to do anyway. If you like achievements, great but if you think that the 10 million owners of PS3 are screwed or going to be really upset I think that just shows how badly you rely on your little popup messages saying "well done, you've learnt how to use the fire button"

Achievements can be fun but I think you take them a little too far to the extreme.

[wow4u]

I think its not so much that the existing gameplay have earned their Achievements, but the present game library doesnt have achievements implemented.

Its definatley a "hurry-up and copy" move by Sony. Now, I dont necessarily agree that its wrong for them to copy, but its clear they are reacting to Microsoft's innovative leadership.

Heck, MS was developing a 3D World for Xbox 360 years ago, and put it on the back burner.

If MS decides "Hey, people seem to like this HOME thing" and they complete that earlier paused project, how is the PS3-camp going to react?

It will be a fanboy fantasy. Nevermind the numerous things that MS does that Sony is furiously trying to duplicate, all we'll here is "MS cant innovate" -- TOTALLY ignoring that MS had been working on the project before Home was even announced.

[kevin1122]

what are achievements exactly. Everytime i have played my friends 360 he never mentioned achievements and i never noticed them when i was playing.

[PlayStation360]

Achievements are certain objectives that are met in a game. Since this is a PS3 topic, I will use a PS3 game as in example.

In Resistance Fall of man, if you play 5000 rounds in multiplay, you get a Medal. That would be an Achievement/Accomplishment.

[Bizmal]

Xbox achievements are useless, almost all are time spent achievements and it's rare that achievements are skill based. I hope the Ps3 changes this. I want them to mean something. Beating GoW on insane in co-op means nothing beating it on single player is another story but it does not matter which is done. Both gets you the same achievement as if they are equal.

[FirstknighT]

"...it's rare that achievements are skill based."

Most achievements are skill based. Beating games in the hardest mode??? Try to beat the last plane level in COD4 in veteran. That is almost impossible.

[Dark_Overlord]

"Try to beat the last plane level in COD4 in veteran. That is almost impossible."

I didn't find it that hard, got to VIP in 55 secs. I found the trick was to avoid as many people as possible by using the flashbangs properly, the silo before that I found a lot harder.

Anyway this bloke takes the p*ss on that level
http://youtube.com/watch?v=...

[wow4u]

The Achievements are all manner of thing. Some directly to doing rare thigns, some for completeness, some for kindness, some for silly things, some for funny things.

Its *all* kinds of things. They're like little roadsigns during your gameplay, and when you've gone through a game, you can look back and say "oh, i didnt do that, or Oh, i should try it this way".

This is about Entertainment not competition for everyone, sure, its fun to look at your buddies achievments and gloat. But its all fun.

There are no prizes here.

[Fishy Fingers]

I have both systems and while i know alot of PS3 gamers would like achievements personally i find them all a bit umm childish, do you really need a little pat on the back from developers?

I dont play games for points, more just the experience of the game itself.

[MorganX]

While achievements do add to gamerscore, the score isn't what they are about. It's reliving the experience without playing the game all the way through, and competing with friends. It's like taking a photo of a vacation.

Games, like a vacation, is escapism. It's how we escape the daily stresses of life for brief moments. And just like a vacation, a snaphot helps relive it to some degree.

No one gets credit for having a huge gamerscore, I mean, you just rent a bunch of games and blow through them halfway to get a high score. But, people do get credit for achieving the most difficult achievements. And it's cool to compare side-by-side a friends achievements in a common game.

[wow4u]

@10.1

You're dead on. I did the same thing with Gears of War. I'll sometimes wonder what I want to play, and go looking in my achievements to see a game where there are many as yet to be achieved.

I'll pop that game in.

[wow14]

"do you really need a little pat on the back from developers"

Achievements can be like a treasure hunt from Developers. It would be kinda-like secret levels in old-school games.

It brings new-game-play features, new game "modes" (find all the ZXY, do this without doing that, go fast, go slow)

It adds a meta-game on every videogame.

Clearly it is regarded as a very innovative feature, or Sony wouldnt be so intent on copying it.

[rothbart]

Achievements are welcome, Gamerscore is _NOT_ if you ask me. I think GamerScore has single-handedly changed the way a lot of folks play games (for the worse). They've helped make video game "consumables". People fly through them to get their 1,000 points and then move on. As a result, there's an unnecessary focus on the "newest , latest, greatest" game released and as such, if you want to play a game online with any quantity of folks, you need to keep on the leading edge of games.

I don't care that someone's got 3,000 gamerscore from playing Vampire Rain, Avatar, and Madden '06 when someone else may have 3,000 points from Rock Band, Gears of War, and Viva Pinata. What do those numbers really mean? Nothing. If I want to compare myself to someone else, let me do it on a game-by-game basis instead of some artificially created "meta-score".

I don't dislike the "skill points/achievements" concept, but GamerScore will piss me off if it finds its way to the PS3.

[MorganX]

I agree totally. I finished Gears on normal and only have 20% of the possible achievements, but I went back through to get "For the Fallent" which is recovering all your dead brothers' COG tags.

Achievements when designed well can actually enhance the gameplay experience. The "scoring" not so much. I wouldn't get rid of it and I don't find people boasting about a high gamerscore, but it doesn't necessarily need to find it's way into PS3 achievements either.

Now, if you could convert gamerscore into Microsoft Point to be spent on Live! merchandise, well now that's another story...

[HalfFireWater]

You also have to understand that within a certain game, say chromehounds, when going up against an opponent, they may be able to derank and hide their skill, but their gamer score and accomps let me know what i am up against. Mainly in the online games if the other gamer has a higher score (in that game) than me, i generally think he is better, and when i win it doesn't feel like i beat a noob

[etownone]

"Now, if you could convert gamerscore into Microsoft Point to be spent on Live! merchandise, well now that's another story..."

Now that is a sweet idea and would push more people to get acheivements just to get more M$points.... would never happen but would be sweet

[etownone]

being that the average gamer is in their mid 30's (i'm 32), achievements really dont do it for me, and I could care less about my Gamerscore, but i do admit that there are a couple of games where it gets addicting trying to colllect them all whether you are competing with yourself to get all of them or competing with a friend.
And Home sounds like a waste of time to me personally.

BUT to kids, my 10 year old kids is all about acheivements and so are his friends, so HOME might appeal more for kids running around in a virtual world exploring and looking for new friends.

[wow14]

Do you think that you're 10year olds are going to run around in a 3D second life chit-chatting or are they going to A) want to grief the 3D world or B) want to actually play games?

[etownone]

Do you think gamers in their 30's are going to run around in a 3D second life chit-chatting?

In the end eveyone should be more interested in playing games instead of wasting time running around in a virtual world, but HOME is going to appeal to kids more than adults. IMO

[MorganX]

If you build it they will come. Someone will like home that's for sure. Even if it's only 10% of PS3 users, that's a million or more users. I imagine it will be the same people Second Life appeals to.

Personally, I can't see any self-respecting gamer spending potential gaming hours walking around on-screen in a doll-house chit-chatting. On Live! 90% of the chat is in-game. The rest is private chat.

Home is going to be it's own thing, not really a part of the gaming experience. That's why I believe Home will do nothing for Sony with regards to competing with the Live! experience or usability.

Hopefully Sony will copy MS' achievement system, add in-game XMB, etc. and let Home be a standalone VR dollhouse for those who find that sort of thing appealing.

[mintaro]

if PS3 were to add achivements it should be something to totally diference itself form the xbox achievments, just to show that each console has its own variant

[HalfFireWater]

People mention earlier that the rewards, gamer score, accomplishments need to be link to free stuff. Even if it is a free movie download or more backgrounds, something for the work. I have friends with over 100K in gamer scores and besides the obvious he has no life, tha tis pretty impressive. They are on hard games too, not the easy ones like Avatar:Last Airbender.

Sony might link them to the Sony movie or music catalog, (which is impressive) and that would immediately make it better than XBOX

[Scions Wrath]

I think Xbox live Gamerscore is no good for the same reason rothbart (above) thinks.

But i can't wait for PS3 3D trophys and Accomplishments, and being able to display them in your PlayStation Home Vault is going to be pretty cool :)