Bad Port or Bad Hardware? We're Already Hearing Complaints About Wii U Visuals.

As Nintendo's first high definition console, Wii U will join the neverending, nothing-really-proven debate between the PS3 and the Xbox 360 over which console's visuals for whatever multiplatform game are superior. Some people are convinced it's a bad port, others are convinced it proves inferior hardware.

[Series_IIa]

Anyone remember launch 360 and PS3 games? They sure didn't look all that great either.

Take a look at Condemned and Resistance: FoM both launch games, they looked pretty decent compared to a PS2 game but compared to what games came out a year later they look awful.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-Z... - Resistance

http://swotti.starmedia.com... - Condemned

[iamnsuperman]

I think using them as an example is a bad idea. This big difference there is it was the first time developers really went from SD to HD (big step) on consoles. I think this is more down to lazy porting by the developers. The step from this generation to next isn't as big as it was last generation

[TheDivine]

Your right comparing ps2 to ps3 is like comparing wii to wii-u. Last console to the next console. Comparing a wii-u multiplat to a 360/ps3 multiplat isnt really saying much. As a port its prob about the same minus a few niggles if dev's arent used to the hardware.

Now if all multiplats are downgraded somethings wrong. If all look far better somethings right. If theyre comparable everythings normal. People shouldnt judge the wii-u against a decked out rig, a ps3, or an atari. Compare it to the wii and see if its a worthy upgrade and see if it has titles you want.

[InactiveUser]

Resistance: Fall of Man is a classic.

Don't lump it together with that Condemned garbage; which first released on PS3 in 2008 by the way, not 2006.

[JsonHenry]

going from SD to HD is not hard for devs.. going from Intel/Nvidia PC parts in Xbox to a unified architecture with IBM/ATI parts is a harder step to take.

But we all know that the more experience devs have with a system the better the games look as the life of the console goes on.

[Conquerbeard]

@EeJLP - Condemned is more of a classic than Generic Brown Shooter #48.

[Sarcasm]

I don't think its exactly "Laziness" but really because its what the name suggests, a "Port." When you port from one set to another without building from the ground up, it will never be like the original. There are a FEW cases that porting over from another console actually benefited, but in most cases I don't see it.

So its no surprise that ports to the Wii U will be like this.

[AsimLeonheart]

LOL! After all the hype created by Nintendo and their fans by touting the BEST launch line-up EVER, these are the reviews they get. The graphics of this supposedly "next-gen" console are worse than current gen. Moreover, slowly the reality about Wii U is being revealed. We now know that WiiU RAM is slower than 6/7 year old PS360. The 5GB firmware update is bricking consoles. Soon the underpowered CPU and GPU will be revealed as well. Nintendo was hiding the specs and details for this very reason. They were tricking the Nintendo fans into buying this crappy, underpowered and last-gen console.

[shutUpAndTakeMyMoney]

Sorry but there was a clear diffrence from ps2 to ps3 with resistance launch.
https://www.youtube.com/wat...
does that look like a ps2 games? look better than mw3. and far behind zombie u.

As far as wiiU goess.
https://www.youtube.com/wat...
I don't even see one semi next gen looking games on wiiU.

This is how wiiU games should look in the about a year?
accept with 1080p & 60fps.
http://www.youtube.com/watc...
Don't act like you wouldn't be impressed if that was a wiiU demo. (talk about gameplay if you want I am talking about the visuals.)

and it's off screen.

ps4 is gonna so own wiiU.

Not because of hardware but the great hardware pushing devs nerds that sony has.

[eferreira]

Is it me or does resistance look better than zombiu

[SuperShyGuy]

Well PS2 was the weakest of the 3 that gen

A better example is final years XBOX and launch 360 games.

You could argue that DOOM 3 as good as Perfect Dark Zero

[StanSmith]

That was the worst example you could give really as Heavy Rain and Beyond do not play like other games. They are more like interactive movies.

Before anyone starts too, show me a game that has those graphics on PS3/360. Sorry but there isn't one. Beyond and Heavy Rain (as good as it was) sacrifice being a game for those graphics.

Uncharted and God of War 3 are still the games to beat on consoles. They are real games with great graphics.

[SnotyTheRocket]

60fps? Yeah, I'll be getting a Wii U, but it's not THAT much more powerful than the 360 and PS3.

[Moonman]

@effereira

What is so wrong with ZombiU graphics?

http://nintendoeverything.c...

I mean damn they aren't mind blowing, but they are at least atmospheric and clean.

[pixelsword]

I say give it a little time even though some experts already said that the Wii U wasn't very powerful; I do remember the experts of the experts saying the same thing about the PS3.

[WeAreLegion]

@StanSmith - Uncharted 2/3, Killzone 2/3, and Gran Turismo 5 are "real games" with those graphics. What are you talking about? What about The Last of Us? An argument could be made for LittleBigPlanet 2, as well.

[ProjectVulcan]

Does anyone really think that Wii U shouldn't be thrashing 360 and PS3 from day one, out the box? Certainly I expected Nintendo to build something affordable, but in 2012 that should comfortably beat existing machines while not being too expensive to manufacture.

When you consider the kind of performance you get from a £65/$90 PC graphics card that comfortably beats out the consoles. A Radeon 6670 GDDR5 is plainly faster than 360 and PS3.

You can only pin down so much to this being a new machine and developers being unfamiliar. Indications suggest that Wii U's hardware is fairly standard stuff.

But even taking into account some developer unfamiliarity, Wii U should really be trouncing existing consoles. Really it should, I don't see an excuse why it shouldn't be able to comfortably best a 7 year old console like xbox 360 from day one.

If Nintendo were serious when they said Wii U will keep up with Sony's and Microsoft's next offerings...

I will be interested in following up on the other ports and multi plats Wii U is getting to see how it really compares.

[krisq]

Disagrees to a spot on post? Only on N4G.

[HammadTheBeast]

The thing is, based on the dev kits sent to PS4 and Xbox devs, the Wii U will not be able to keep up with the next-gen competition. We've seen this played out before, with the Wii. Also, the hidden costs of the Wii U are a lot. My observations though, you could be correct or I could. The future will tell.

@Krisq

Claiming that one's opinion is a "fact"? Only on N4G.

[Quetzll]

I didn't buy a 360 for nearly two years after it launched. Was underwhelmed with the "leap". But then, games started looking better and better. The final games of PS2/GC/XBOX hardly looked any worse than launch games for 360/PS3.

You can expect the same thing with the wiiU, as far as launch games compare to later games.

[Computersaysno]

I don't think thats really the point being made here Quetzil.

The point as I see it is that Mass effect 3 is already like the 3rd game in the series on Xbox 360, and so it is fairly well advanced graphically.

Even so would you expect Wii U to struggle at all with that? When Xbox 360 launched would you expect it to struggle with a straight up port of ANY Xbox or PS2 game? Of course not!!!!!!

Wii U should comfortably run ME3 right away. I mean if you used latest version of photoshop on a 7 year old PC and bought a new PC now- even like a super budget new one, would you expect photoshop to run better?

You would cos it would. Point is even budget 2012 tech is gonna (or should be) be better than premium 2005 tech cos tech moves fast like this.

Super duper 2005 PC with $1000 AMD 4800+ dual core http://www.cpubenchmark.net... gonna get stabbed by cheapass $50 2012 Intel Celeron G530. http://www.cpubenchmark.net...

So no matter if Wii U is brand new to developers how can it not run a game better designed for 7 year old hardware?

[Deku-Johnny]

360 and PS3 didn't thrash Xbox and PS2 out of the box so why would you expect any different for this gen? Not to mention 'not being too expensive to manufacture' have you not heard about the state of the world's economy compared to 2006. Give it time.

[DigitalAnalog]

The situation is somewhat familiar when you factor the Gamecube on the PS2 era. Early games didn't exactly "blow" away the PS2 not until the Resident Evil series started to flex it's muscles. 3rd party devs really don't place emphasis on system hardware unless they need to be competitive (see Vita).

By then, I'll give it an extra year before making final reservations.

[ProjectVulcan]

"360 and PS3 didn't thrash Xbox and PS2 out of the box so why would you expect any different for this gen?"

I'll stop you there as it is fairly obvious this statement is quite, quite insane. You clearly didn't have Xbox or 360 on launch like I did.

Before you even talk about quality of the texture assets in launch games of xbox 360, from the very kickoff it knocked out more than TWICE the resolution of ANY xbox games, even the PAL ones that might be 720 x 540. Straight up there is a quantum leap in fidelity from an Xbox on a SDTV to a 360 on a HDTV.

Even if you pick the genuinely best looking games on the Xbox later in its life, the most powerful console of its generation, and compare it to a brand new xbox 360 launch title.

Sooo...Project Gotham 2? Frankly PGR3 blows it out the water.

Oddworld Strangers Wrath on xbox usually considered a graphical tour de force of the time- Stands up to Kameo does it? Clearly it does not.

What about Black, on xbox in SD. Does that look remotely as good as Call of duty 2 does on 360 in glorious HD? Hilarious anyone suggesting so.

Need I say more to utterly dismember your comment?

Ok, so I never expected Wii U to be a quantum leap like that because I said that in my first post and pointed out about the current economy. BUT like computersaysno said (and I highlighted first post again), even CHEAP new processor technology easily beats up premium modern tech from 2005.

I don't see the excuse for Wii u to do anything less. Any excuses about developers getting to grips with new technology is fairly weak looking at history (in fact 360 had THE fastest launch cycle in console history hows that for devs being rushed), and seeing how fast technology advances and knowing how even cheap modern technology should utterly destroy quality tech back in the day.

Of course what matters is Nintendo's games for this machine. However it is really not impressive if Wii U isn't beating PS3 and 360 comprehensively graphically from day one.

P.S Digitalanalog, PS2 and Gamecube weren't separated by 7 years and a supposed generation....try 18 months.

[GuyManDude]

@Hammad

krisq didn't say vulcanproject's post was fact. krisq said vulcanproject made an accurate observation, and he/she did. The Wii U's launch titles should look better than what's out there now. There should be a noticeable gap. With 6-7 years since current gen consoles launched and developers like Ubisoft who are familiar with HD programming, these games should have been better. I don't know why Nintendo won't just announce what's under the hood already.

@Quetzll

You were underwhelmed with the leap in 360 games in 2007?

I'd say that this:
http://www.youtube.com/watc...

Looks a bit better than this:
http://www.youtube.com/watc...

But that's just me.

=)

[pain777pas]

PGR3 is a good example of a glimpse at next gen from day 1 for MS and Oblivion Folklore Genji Resistance all did not look like PS2 games for sure. NG3 Wii U was documented in IGN review to look worse than the other 2 consoles. Oblivion PS3 which was a launch title was better looking than the Xbox 360 version so...

[krisq]

vulcanproject made a very valid point in his comment. Not sure where you see this 'fact' you're speaking of.

[sak500]

@Vulcanproject

+reps bro, best comment. I wanted to say that myself what you said in your 2nd comment about being blown away in terms of next gen title. Even though i didn't try xbox original, but had ps2, i picked up a 50" 720p HD tv back in late 2005 prior to launch of 360. Then went and got a 360 in Jan'06. The leap of graphics from GT4 on p2 to PGR3 was huge. GT4 looked like it was made from razor blades on my HDTV due to extreme aliasing which i never noticed and loved the game and graphics, till i got pgr3. Man the reflection of sun on windscreen which showed scratches, the buildings looked so realistic and the interiors were amazing. I couldn't believe my eyes. Perfect Dark Zero was the bundled game and it was having bump map or normal mapping, these effects i had only seen before in PC games. I never went for the so called computer entertainment system called Ps3 this gen cuz i was in love with the 360 from that time on.

That was one of those rare occasions in my life concerning video gaming when i felt really in awe. I remember it from jumping from C64 to amiga500, PC 386 to Pentium 90 to play need for speed, regular pc chunky/tiled graphics to S3 verge effects of special blurred textures technology called alpha blanding in days of DX1. I remember playing Descent on my pc before i upgraded to 1MB (lol) S3 card and after i installed it and the change it made when i enabled the features of S3TC i was amazed.

You're right this was one of those quantum leap moments in the gaming consoles history. I doubt next gen can give us that level of wow factor.

[tehpees3]

PS3 games are still buggy today. Ask Bethesda and Treyarch.

[HammadTheBeast]

Bethesda are bad devs. How about we ask Naughty Dog, Santa Monica, and tons of other first and third party devs why their games aren't buggy?

[Ritsujun]

are you too poor to own more than 1 console?

[Jinkies]

Didn't look great...what are you talking about at the time with the new tec we had I was blown away with what we got on those two consoles

I mean Resistance Fall of Man at the time was amazing to look at.

[Ricdog]

I'm not sure I agree. Resistance FOM didn't look better than games like Half-Life 2 or Counter Strike Source. And those games came out like 2 years or more before the ps3.

[tubers]

I played some Doom 3 on the PC several years back.. and was hearing a lot about the PS3 during it's early days..

Went to play to my friend's house with Resistance and I was so underwhelmed by the visuals.

[pain777pas]

Resistance has moments and what I mean by that some areas look like 2 different games. Some of the game looks amazing and other parts look old. I think they did not have the specs for the system so the first half of the game does not look as good as the latter half of the game. I have played the game recently actually.

[BitbyDeath]

Resistance still looks pretty good compared to todays games, you should have tried picking something more credible.

[Moonman]

Why is Black Ops 2 a hot mess on PS3 after all these years of PS3 development?

So sick of fanboys blaming everything but a developer for technicals.

[HarryMasonHerpderp]

They're just bad ports, we haven't seen what the wiiU can do yet visually and I doubt we will see its true potential until at least the end of next year when devs have got to grips with it.

[Eyeco]

I find it hilarious when people compare Resistance FOM to a ps2 game, it makes me wonder if they've ever played ps2 game or Resistance FOM

[chukamachine]

Actually some parts of resistance look pretty decent, and i'll tell you this. It's the most hectic game on console at times. The only thing they did not have for resistance 1 was texture streaming.

Wii u will get better, and some games will push. But it won't be day and night.

[Orionsangel]

I beg to differ. The original Gears of War was mindblowing on the 360! It still looks amazing almost 6 years later.

[SilentNegotiator]

Except it isn't 2005 anymore.

And Nintendo themselves aren't even running their games at 1080p.

[showtimefolks]

how about both? its a new system so developers will take some getting use to and big publishers want a quick cash in so they will port any game that came out as long as they can charge full price again for a game that came out months ago

why are so many people freaking out about wii-u power? its a next gen system for nintendo and moves the industry forward. Will it beat ps4,xbox720 NO but i don't think that was the goal for Nintendo they want a mixture of casual/core gaming console. Its their first HD home console so not not be excited to be able to play their 1st party games in HD?

stop the hate. ps4 and xbox720 will be more powerful than wii-u for one reason

1. wii-u will be out for about an year or more before either ps4,xbox720 so logically both companies will have time to look at the wii-u tech and make improvements. now granted it maybe 10% more powerful than wii-u which is still more than wii-u. It doesn't mean wii-u will fail or suck it just means like every other device and that is when a new one comes out it makes improvements upon the ones already available

[Sephiroushin]

I agree with everything you said but something... 10% less powerful than next gen consoles ... hmm I don't think the next MS and SONY consoles will be just 10% more powerful than a Wii u

[showtimefolks]

That was just an example I know be much more powerful than wiiu

[killerhog]

The jump from ps2 to ps3 was a big leap. It was new technology some devs are still having trouble with and it was from SD to HD. So you can't use your argument as RFOM definitely looks better than last gen games. Wii U should be nothing devs have already seen. So either bad port (which I can admit its probably that) or inferior hardware.

[geddesmond]

What Iamsuperman said. At the start of the PS3/xbox 360 era developers were still building engines and learning new tricks for the HD era. Its 7 years later which means devs have seven years experience with HD graphics. Wii U games will look better as the years go on but no way will you see the kind of leaps that happened between RFOM-UC2.

Also wasn't both Condemned and RFOM originally meant for the PS2?

[Slapshot82]

And how many years ago did Resistance: Fall of Man (PS3) and Condemned (360) release?

[tonywood]

Yea right!!
Cod 2 & need for speed mist wanted were killer launch 360 titles.
And on the ps3..resistance fall of man carried ps3 on launch day.
Bottom line...wii u needed at dvd playback

[grifter024]

Series_lla- Are you serious? Launch games look damn good still heck I played Kameo a launch 360 game last month and it still looks pretty good and was surprised at how well it stood up to time.

EEjlp- I have no idea how you call "Condemened:Criminal Origins," Garbage. That game is still considered one of the scariest games that came out in recent years and it does still look decent.

How you consider Resistance a better game is your own opinion one in which I don't agree with even though I've played it but to call Condemned trash it stupid.

[MostJadedGamer]

The fact that the Wii U is not absolutely BLOWING away 6, and 7 year consoles is a condemnation no matter what.

Next Gen consoles are suppose to be HUGE leaps.

[breakdancefight]

But those games were built from the ground up for their respective systems. The 2 games mentioned in the article existed and were ported to the Wii-U. If rumors are correct and the Wii-U is as easy to develop for as the original Wii/360 with a bit more power under the hood then we should have had a superior port. Am I wrong?

[decrypt]

"1Up, in its review of Mass Effect 3, said the game "seems a lot less visually stable," than the Xbox 360 version"

Console gamers... don't care about graphics.

Wii U will do fine.

@iamnsuperman

You sir need to educate yourself if you think it was the first time developers went HD. Going HD is just a resolution upgrade nothing much. Games have been running on the PC in HD since 1998. Back in those days we were playing close to resolutions of 720p (1024*768). By Early 2000 some people were already playing at 1600*1200 (which is about 1080p). So please do not talk about what you dont know.

Devs can at best optimize a game by adjusting Textures, AA, AF, Res etc. Its something simular to what PC gamers do when configuring their games. For a Dev to get a game to run at 720 @ 30fps on console they would have to play around with these sort of settings. Guess why most console games are a blurry mess with low res textures and hardly any AA? The devs simply set those standards since the hardware cant handle more than this.

By next gen there are plans to make tvs at 4k res, sure the next consoles wont be able to handle it, however the PC will. So yes the jump may not be there for consoles, however for the PC it is. Infact some people already play at resolutions like 5760*1080, which is about 6 times higher than the current console 720p standard.

[killerhog]

"Console gamers don't care about graphics."? Speak for yourself.

[Sp1d3ynut]

Obviously you're not familiar with Decrypt's work....

Just ignore the PC troll, like everyone else.

[geddesmond]

Lol when people talk HD graphics they don't mean the resolution. Its just a short way of saying all the things in your second paragraph without sounding like a nerdy doucebag. Now when they put 720p or 1080p in front of the HD, then they are talking about resolution.

It wasn't the first time devs used HD resolution heck God of War 2 had a HD resolution unlock but it still looked jaggy and dark. But around that time was when devs started using textures and lighting so the graphics would fit that resolution to give us the best type of picture.

[sandman224]

What we all want to know is how will blops2 look like on wii u compared to its competition. Someone needs to post an article of this. I bet it will be the hottest article.

[T900]

BO 2 is 720p on Wii U. Hence its not a big upgrade from the 630p on PS3 or Xbox 360.

[Dasteru]

1280x720@40" = 36.72ppi
1280x630@40" = 35.67ppi

The difference is less than 3%

[ambientFLIER]

dasteru - yeah, but BO2 runs at something like 880x720 on the xbox and even less on the ps3!

[ambientFLIER]

Disagrees with my facts? Really?? Really really???

[TripC50]

Sounds to me like bad port.

[Sgt_Slaughter]

Thank you. At least someone has some common sense on N4G.

[WalterWJR]

Its quite simple... when you buy a game, make sure it plays the way you want it to. Sorry to be blunt but I am sick of all these flame wars.

[Venoxn4g]

interesting how wil Wii U games will look after 1=3 years, when they'll start to know Wii U architecture better, it just a start people..isn't that obvious?

[3rdDimension]

No it's not obvious to those who just want to hate.

[Moonman]

Haters can go stick their heads in a sony or microsoft toilet for all I care. They wouldn't buy Nintendo any ways. They pretend like they care by spaming WiiU articles while PS3/360 articles hardly have comments anymore. They are bored too!

[Ritsujun]

Sir why are you so bored?

[Qrphe]

They'll look better than now but resolution or fps won't really go up at all. What will happen is that, once the PS4/720 show up and start showing more power, developers will try pushing the Wii U to pull off more effects to make the games look as much as they can to the competition. Resolution and fps would only get on the way.

[from the beach]

Reminds me of some of the early PS3 multiplatform games.

I'll just stick to Wii U exclusives for the first little while - luckily enough there's stacks of good ones.

[angelsx]

Wii U never going to catch sony or xbox this or next generation.

[Moonman]

Sony and Xbox have been too busy looking at Nintendo's ass cheeks. Only thing WiiU is about to catch is a touchdown. :)

Whoop they ass Nintendo. :)

[Gr81]

Here is that the same folks talking about Wii U having inferior hardware are the same people trashing Activision and Bethesda for being incompetent for making inferior versions of the same game on the PS3 compared to the 360.

Its sad. Actually. Every console has had graphics fidelity improve over time why would this be any different now? early 360 ports ran inferior to the Xbox/PS2 games as well. It takes time for hardware to be optimized by devs even Nintendo themselves.

I can remember when SMB3 came out for the NES and it blew all other games on that system away graphically. Compare SMW to DKC or Mario RPG of that time. Hell compare Uncharted 1 to Uncharted 3, CoD MW to Black Ops 2.

It feels many of you are just grapsing at straws at this point.

And understand, I'm not even sold on Wii U at all yet.I'm just observing the changing landscape of gaming atm. But the hypocrisy of some supposed gamers is ridiculous. Take of the fanboy goggles for just a moment.

[MegaLagann]

It's sad to see people arguing about graphics...on a console. Because no matter what, consoles will always be inferior hardware wise to the PC.

[Gr81]

Pc gaming has always had higher graphical fidelity than gaming consoles. It it's silly to be a console gaming graphic whore lol.

[tigertron]

It's sad to see someone bring up the PC every time there is a discussion about consoles.

[MegaLagann]

http://www.gamespot.com/fea...

People tend to forget that most launch titles look like shit, especially compared to their later games. Perfect Dark Zero compared to Halo 4 looks like it should of been on the original Xbox. If the Wii U starts off with games that look just as good as PS360 games or even slightly better (Trine 2) then just wait till what we see in a few years when developers really take advantage of the hardware.

Also, it seems people forgot when the 360 first came out people called it the Xbox 1.5 because none of the games looked better than the original Xbox, then Gears of War came out and shut everyone up. Funny how people forget this.

[GuyManDude]

Consider this though. Look at a game like New Super Mario Bros U. 2D platformer with cartoon graphics (not dissing the graphics, that's just a descriptor of the graphic style). A side scroller with a cartoon graphics style is putting almost no load on the CPU, GPU, or RAM. Nintendo spent three years developing the game with a full 1GB RAM, multi core CPU, and an alright AMD GPU. And with all that they STILL couldn't get the game running in 1080p.

I don't get what kind of obstacles they could have run into that stopped them from getting a 2D Mario game running in 1080p after three years of development. It's not the end of the world or anything, just curious as to what could have caused that.

[DivineAssault]

Its a bit of both i think.. Lazy porting as well as complex hardware.. I do wonder how it will port nx gen titles if these arent even equal..

@ luffygumgum, thats not the point here... Wii U should be able to handle NX GEN games out the box if its nx gen.. U wont see PS4 launching with games that look & perform worse than PS3.. Even if PS3/360 launched w ppl thinking it wasnt much of an upgrade, the fact is, IT WAS AN UPGRADE.. whether it was 1.5, 1.3, or 1.1, it was still better

[Gr81]

Are multiplatform games for ps3 inferior ports of 360 games? Is it because of hardware inferiority on the ps3 part?

[Computersaysno]

Generally......yes. Inferior flexibility certainly. PS3 has less available/flexible memory and a slower/less flexible, older architecturally GPU.

The only way to work around this to achieve parity is invest more time, money and effort into the PS3 version. This effort is needed to extract extra graphical performance from an unconventional method, i.e PS3's CPU.

For developers with a budget equally split for multiplatform games where they want to spend the same on both versions in budget and time, 360 is likely to end up better.

[Embeepee]

The Wii U's graphics seem pretty dismal to me. They're the same as 6/7 year old hardware... C'mon, Nintendo! You can do better than this

[jbgamer]

who cares what sony and microsoft critics are saying? real critics who rate these titles say the wii u version is the best. just ask assassin's creed 3, nba2k 13, batman, and ninja gaiden and maa effect. funny how the HONEST REVIEWERS WHO rat these games don't see the jagged edges and muddy graphics... what do they hide themselves from these critics? sorry what ever helps these babies sleep better at night, so waht the graphics are better on wii u GROW UP AND GET OVER IT!

[OmniSlashPT]

Nintendo fans:

2006: Graphics don't matter!

2012: The Wii U has better graphics!

Even the first Uncharted looks better than any Wii U title yet.

[Ricdog]

Trine 2 and Rayman both look better than the first Uncharted, especially if you take into account the Wii U having to power 2 screens at once.

[jbgamer]

SORRY just not true.. 1080p wasm introduced in 2008, meaning ZERO 360 AND PS3 GAMES RUN IN 1080P because 360 and ps3 do not have the ability to do them, the wii u IS THE FIRST VIDEO GAME SYSTEM EVER TO USE true 1080p.. so by reality not fantasy thinking uncharted DOES NOT HAVE BETTER GRAPHICS THAN WII U'S : COD, ASSASSIN'S CREED 3, NINJA GAIDEN, BATMAN, NBA 2K 13, MASS EFFECT, OR OTHER HARDCORE TITLES.. NOT AN OPINION A FACT!!! and the wii u only uses 30% of its' power right now. so those of us who live in reality know, nothing beats 1080p, the wii u is the only system that has it period.. so reality is on the wii u's side, just deal with it okay?

[Kos-Mos]

Well young one, when people argue that the graphics is worse you have to comment on stupidity. I rarely see any Nintendo fan commenting out of nowhere that Wii U is better than ps or box graphically.

[donman1]

Its real silly to even attempt to answer this question with questionable ports. If Retro Studios create a game that is not eye popping then we can conclude the Wii U is not next Gen. Retro Studios will be my measuring stick... not some half baked port(s).

[MegaLagann]

You forgot about Monolith Soft. They made Xenoblade, one of the biggest most expansive games I've ever played...on the Wii. If they can make something that puts an PS360 game to shame on an overcloked Gamecube, imagine what they can do with the Wii U. I'm excited for Retro's game (or games) but to me Monolith's next game will be the measuring stick.

[Thepcz]

very true. xenoblade is actually one of the best console games i have seen this gen.. not just on wii!

i think zombiu was made quickly and on new tech. i even suspect it was originally made for wii, because the graphics look quite basic. But there are other games that show off wiius graphic capabilities better, ie rayman, assassins creed etc

its new tech, a port is not like exchanging data from one hard drive to the next, its a complicated coding job. if you add 'alien' hardware to the mix, off course it will make things difficult.

but, i will say, i am disappointed nothing has 'blown me away' on wiiu yet. especially as even the games from nintendo look simplistic, graphics wise.

[neogeo]

Just give me a freaking great looking Metroid/Zelda game!

[MasterCornholio]

I know that the Wii U is a brand new next gen console so it´s pretty obvious that the developers need a little time to get used to the hardware. So while im not expecting any games at launch that will blow the 360 or the PS3 in terms of visuals what i do expect is for all Wii U launch titles to be on par with current gen systems. What that means is that a game like Ninja Gaiden 3 has to look the same or better than either the PS3 or 360 version. If developers can´t manage that with the Wii U than that proves that the Wii U is a pretty weak console and will have no hope in competing with the 360 or the PS3 in terms of visuals.

But i honestly don´t think that Nintendo will release a console that will be weaker than the PS3 or the 360.

IMO

[hduce]

Don't forget that most developers have had 6 months or less to port over games. Most games were ported using the old development kits that were not finalized. I would give the Wii U some time before I really judge its graphical capabilities. The Wii U was not design with quick and dirty ports in mind.

[OmniSlashPT]

And 6 months to port a game is not enough? The Wii-U is supposed to be dev friendly and somehow ports of games that came out a year ago look worse than on 6 year old consoles. You cant really explain that.

[hduce]

6 months is not enough time for a port. I guess you can't really explain to bias fanboys that even on the most powerful hardware, if a game is not optimized it will not run well. See all previous hardware launches for reference.

[YoungPlex]

There's no doubt in my mind that a lot of developers will bring out shotty ports of current gen titles over to the Wii U at launch, just to jump on the Wii U cash cow. But one thing is certain, developers who actually co-develop or develop, from the ground up on Wii U's hardware, will benefit and outshine these atrocities.

Almost every single console launch, has had games that are ports from either last gen or current gen titles that stink, however every console has also had games that are developed, either from first or third-party developers, that have jaw dropping graphics and/or gameplay mechanics, that are not possible on the other.

This is just the start; we will see some great games that are exclusively done on the Wii U that you won't be able to get anywhere else, we will see graphics that won't be able to be done on any other console till next-gen rolls around, and we will see games with unique gameplay functionality that can only be found on Wii U. People can get mad all they want but the reality is, when a system launches, buyer beware, there will be games on that system that were made simply to make a quick buck!

[ozstar]

Oh Sweet Jesus, is it really that bad is it? All this moaning about 3rd parties treating Nintendo like crap again? Why are you surprised, its basically an industry in-joke now?

Well don't buy it then, i know i won't be buying a Microsoft product again.

[1upgamer99]

Ok, So I read stuff like this, and then I read things like what Gearbox says about Alien, and the Wii U version is going to look and Run better than on PS3 and the 360 so what gives?????? http://www.nintendolife.com...

[WeAreLegion]

Honestly, ZombiU looks gorgeous and most of the other games look pretty good, too. Rayman: Legends and NSMBU both look very crisp. :)

[ClydeRadcliffe]

ZombiU does not look gorgeous. It looks like you're playing it with tea bags taped over your eyes. However NSMBU and Rayman are absolutely gorgeous

[WeAreLegion]

Do you own a Wii U?

[ClydeRadcliffe]

CrowTRobot, yes. Nintendo sent us a review unit last week

[Perjoss]

There are many people that want the Wii U to fail. But it will not.

[boybato]

Bad Port or Bad Hardware? - Lazy devs if you ask me.

[izumo_lee]

Bad port or bad hardware? Where have i heard that excuse before? So Nintendo fans now you will know how gamers on the PS3 have felt for the past 6-7 years.

[boybato]

^this.

[BaconBits]

I am not expecting any miracles with wii U but for the price and some decent first party games I will throw my money down for it until the next xbox and ps3 come out. I have no delusion it will out power those kits but - hey, I will get my moneys worth out of it until they come out.

[Deku-Johnny]

It's been obvious since the Wii U was first announced that EA don't like it, they're not going to make a good port for a console they dislike.

[ClydeRadcliffe]

Yeah, they're going to spend millions developing crap intentionally. Great observation there Columbo

[Deku-Johnny]

Because they don't have money to throw around? If they waste a bit of money on it now and it makes the console look rubbish they have an excuse not to develop for the console in the future.

[Jon_Fu_]

Devs just aren't familiarized with the new technology yet. Should balance out soon enough.

[deletingthis34675334]

Shoddy port. Wii U's hardware is significantly better than the PS3 and 360. Not sure if or when I will get a Wii U but it will be for the exclusives.

...and I don't mean Mario. I am not 6 years old.

[tubers]

All I can say is Nintendo sucks with graphics most of the time but they sure know how to attract people with their whole Nintendo experience.

It's a fact.

I don't completely get it though. I find most of their exclusives kiddy-ish.. but that's because I'm shallow.

[AJBACK2FRAG]

Wow 1up writting something negative about a game appearing on a Nintendo platform. First time right?

[ApexHell]

i would like to point out the company EA hired to port mass effect 3 has never ported or released a game before lol.

[Neo-Axl]

Well, for me next-gen started when I first played Gears Of War, Incredible game.

I'm sure the Wii U will do just fine, The PS3 never had it easy for ports either until fairly recently, I hope it turns out to have incredible games because who knows, some day I may even pick one up.

[StraightedgeSES]

Bad Port or Bad Hardware? We will find out in a hour.

[cyhm3112]

bad hardware for sure, you know what? It is nintendo!!
Which earns ridiculous profits selling underpowerd nds and wiis, you know what? They want to repeat the successes selling lots of wiiU with gimmick controllers again,, it is that simple. The GPU and CPU is weaker than PS360, they can't hide it for very long

[Legend_Killer]

You're smoking something. U dont even know the GPU that's inside the hardware. Quit talking out of ignorance

[metroidfusion2]

Ok I read a few comments and skipped a shitload and all I have to say is wow so many people on this site are stupid and or don't do research the wii u is running the max you can right out of the gate it has a lot of native 720p and 60fps games and as of now 10 native 1080p and 60fps and I'm sure more will come I dobt do links so look up the games that are in native 1080p and 60fps and ninja gaiden 3 razors edge is in native 1080p and 60fps look it up and from what I have read several wii u ports were made in 6 months which is insane since games take at least 2 years but of course the wii u's graphics will improve this is just the beginning no game console is perfect or has the best graphics at launch so shut the fuck up and wait like everyone else and DO YO GODDAMN RESEARCH OR JUST KEEP BEING A RETARDED BUNCH OF SHITFUCKED CUNTS HA LOL AND ALL OF YOUR TEARS ARE DELICIOUS ESPECIALLY WITH BISCUITS YA BUNCH OF WHINY BITCHES HA LOL

[cyhm3112]

haha, finally some people have waked the fuck up, but still some stupid nintendo sheeps still think it is more powerful than PS360, how come people can be so stupid,no sense at all.
It just have more ram, but weaker CPU and GPU, come on accept it,dumb fuck.

[Yodagamer]

It does not have weaker graphics and cpu, nintendo would literally have to have companies remake older chip sets to make that even possible. Which would cost nintendo more money than if they went with a modern chipset, it's early launch titles that were ported in a very short time period.

[atticus14]

its going to take Nintendo again to show the capabilities of their system.

[jbgamer]

Yeah the sony ,and microsoft people keep forgetting that when hte 360 launched they ported over xbox 1 games, and some critics said the xbox version looked better and when the ps3 launched people trashed a lot of the 3rd party games for not looking good, but when sony, and microsoft launch their new hardware next year, and they look no different, what will these same people be like? Oh give it year, then make your judgement.

[ndl1531]

the wiiu is not a generation ahead its a whole generation behind . its barely adopting hd and current gen graphics. for anyone thinking otherwise is being fooled by nintendo. next gen starts when sony and microsoft release their new consoles not with wiiu .

[Legend_Killer]

Game engines this gen have been adjusted to PS360 specs over the years. The WiiU is new and different hardware, plus devs confirmed they haven't fully understood it. So those ports will surely have issues, its not the fault of the hardware.

[krazykombatant]

N4G logic if it doesn't look nice and shiny it isn't next gen.

[Legend_Killer]

People are quick to conclude when it's Nintendo involved. Which console ever showed it's true potential at launch?

[devilhunterx]

inb4threeGamecubesgluedtogethe r

[megamanX2]

"Uncharted 2/3, Killzone 2/3, and Gran Turismo 5"

lol why do people keep bringing up these outdated games? anything out now is light years ahead of crap.

"the wiiu is not a generation ahead its a whole generation behind . its barely adopting hd and current gen graphics. for anyone thinking otherwise is being fooled by nintendo. next gen starts when sony and microsoft release their new consoles not with wiiu ."

just like your thinking is a gen behind, and will never catch up.

[bumnut]

Launch games always look poor, no big deal. If you put one of the latest PS3/360 games side by side with a release game the difference is huge.

Since when have Nintendo games been about the visuals?

[SnakeCQC]

lol anyone remember all the boasts about how much better the wii u was going to be over the ps3 and 360

[deno]

I highly wouldn't consider it bad hardware. It has IBM technology running it. Gamecube had IBM power pc gecko hardware and remember how resident evil games looked on it, also Mario sunshine, luigi's mansion and Zelda, Metroid games?

[gmgarciam]

Obviously the people hating dont have a wii u. i just finished playing cod zombies in bed without turning on the tv. that is pretty awesome.

[givemeshelter]

Nintendo's business model has always been to stay in the Black and make a profit off the hardware and keep margins for said devices above board. In doing so, the hardware inside will always be a step behind. It's capable but it will always be just capable.

[TemplarDante]

Battlefield 4 and other games for PS3 and 360 will be ported to the Wii U when PS4 and Xbox 8 hits.
Im sorry folks, devs are lazy, they will make next gen versions for PS4, Xbox 8 and PC and port current gen versions to Wii U.

[GamerXGATT]

This is fake, and spread by fanboys. The Wii U offers FXAA and more games look significantly better.

http://wiiudaily.com/2012/0...

Gotta love rumors.

[zero_cool]

The polygon graphics rendering method has become too time consuming,costly & computationally expensive but there is a better way to accomplish graphics rendering it's called point cloud data (floating atoms).

Cheers Gamers & Happy Gaming!

[hduce]

I have a Wii U and I think it is awesome. I also have a xbox360 and PS3and every other console that launched in North America within the last 20 years. I'm not bias like these little whiney fanboys. I know the Wii U is a powerful system by playing it for myself but it is like every console at launch.You get some rushed games but judging by the games I played, if this is rushed I can't wait for developers to come to grips with the system.

[corrus]

Look how little is their console the gamepad is like the whole console and after that look how big are PS3/360 compared with WII U tell me how can put something in that little console ?????????????????????????????

[hduce]

It is called the evolution of technology.