HD DVD: Time to quit?

Wolfgang Gruener from TG Daily writes:

"Opinion - The HD DVD camp suffered two major blows today and no matter you look at it, begins to look like the certain loser of the high-def format war. HD DVD better has a secret weapon that it can aim at Blu-ray now. Otherwise Toshiba can only hope for a miracle or actually admit defeat. But it is not only Toshiba that loses: A victory of Blu-ray may actually be much more painful for Microsoft."

[Maddens Raiders]

title seems rhetorical.

[DJ]

Damn, that's harsh. Oh well, at least they have a great selection of Blu-ray titles, at least better than what I've seen at my local Circuit City (they have trouble keeping stock, sadly).

[pwnsause]

no not yet, but they are fully supporting it and now recommending future People to chose BD over HD-DVD.

[DJ]

My bad, hehe. But yeah, it's kinda cool that they're doing that. Hopefully Circuit City does the same, 'cause they're a closer than Best Buy but have a smaller Blu-ray selection.

[sonarus]

hahaha kuwabara did wageslave really try to report this story with a mispell lol. Bad news for ps3 really that hard to come by. I saw his last post where they denied left for dead hitting ps3 lol wonder how far he had to dig to get that one. Poor guy

[Bathyj]

DER

[akaFullMetal]

is it time? i think it might be

[princejb134]

poor MS

[bumnut]

Ms don't care if hd dvd flops? its toshiba that will be unhappy

[desolationstorm]

Yeah I keep wondering why people act like microsoft cares? They have stated otherwise multiple times, saying that they care more about digital downloads. Anyway its not like microsoft builds computers or anything so what maybe the next xbox uses blueray? Big deal, besides microsoft could always use hd-dvd in its game system if it really didnt want to use blueray. Though then Im sure people would complain that it doesnt play blueray.

[Bull5hifT]

because if everyone has a whole huge collection of blu-rays and wants to go meet the relatives or something and watch movies one night

the 360 wont be able to, unless microsoft is willing to pay a royalty on every xbox720 that has it built in

i know that microsoft can still use hddvd's in its design for the 720 to play games, cause dvd9 wont seriously cut it then

but people will want something that can play the poular media....thats why the sega dreamcast died , it was cause sony started by putting in a dvd player in the ps2, when dvd players had just released for around the ps2's price, so it was a good option for people who wanted more for the same price

i serioulsy think that the digital distribution of content like hi-def movies on the 360 wont catch on as the future

the common speed in the u.s. for the internet is 756kb per minute or secound or somthing around there i dunno, and these downloads have to reach around more than 10 gigabytes at least to look as good as blu-ray,........unless microsoft seriously invest some good money into making america more more technologically efficient, we arent gonna get any faster
in japan there average is around 40mb per secound or minute, i dunno
as what i read in an article

[HD DVD]

I need a drink!

[Venomous_1]

will give you your last drink.

[bootsielon]

I hate to see you dying man, it's sad. Your death is coming so slowly, that it's like seeing someone inflicted with AIDS slowly deteriorate. You had potential, but there was someone better, and I don't blame you for losing... that's why I sincerely hope you go to heaven and enjoy as many virgins (discs?) as you want (or whatever).

God bless you HD-DVD, may Blu-ray be upon ye.

[chrno6]

"No one right in his mind (and a budget) would have bought an HD DVD player within the past few weeks after the Blu-ray camp began scoring one success after another"

Who would that be, the ones that got one recently? We must have some of these people on this site XD

[g4n]

yep, time to quit.. thank God i invested in Blu-Ray (3 /w ps3) not HD-DVD. something was "fishy" when M$ refused to put one in the 360. like blu-ray, consoles sell new technology...

[bumnut]

its because nextgen dvd formats have poor transfer speeds, why do you think you have to install your games on ps3?

they would take too long to load if only read from the disk.

360 has a high transfer speed, thats why it sounds like a washing machine!

[Vertius]

Actually, bumnut, Blu-Ray drives are only a fraction slower than MS' 12x DVD Drive in the 360. The difference comes from the amount of extra data to be taken from the disc, considering a Blu-Ray dual layer can store 50GB, and a dual-layer DVD stores 9GB.

Still, installing helps a lot. DMC4 has some pretty damn quick loading. :)

[AceLuby]

Nope that's wrong. Blu has the same transfer speed throughout the disc while DVD's have variable transfer speeds that are slow toward the center and faster towards the edge. So the first half of the disc blu ray will get more information while on the 2nd half of the disc the DVD gets more info. Thing is that most blu-ray discs that are made aren't using half of the disc anyway, so actually DVD's have a slower transfer speed, even though they spin faster.

[Torch]

"As it stands now, the PS3 looks like the decisive advantage that will win the high-def war for Sony."

(Logically, was there EVER any doubt???)

[eLiNeS]

the Xbox 360 fanboy’s don't care either way but it would be classic if HD-DVD won so the PS3 would be useless for HD Movies. For the Xbox 360, another add-on with Blu-Ray will take the place of the HD-DVD player if and when it falls. No sweet off our back.

[Cryptech]

You are right, no sweat, but more money out of the pockets of xbox 360 owners for another add on if they so choose.

[Silellak]

I don't buy this article. There were very good reasons for the 360 to NOT have a built-in HD-DVD drive, considering when it was designed and released.

2 years ago, when the 360 game out, HD drives were much more expensive than they are now. The PS3's large price point on release was largely attributed to the Blu-Ray drive. The 360 would've been at LEAST that much with a built-in HD-DVD drive, if not more, considering that HD drives were more expensive 2 years ago than they were even 1 year ago. AND they wouldn't have the Sony/Playstation brand behind them like the PS3 does.

It's very likely the 360 would've been a huge flop at a $500-600 price point, in which case, not much would've changed, except the 360 would've been less of a threat to the PS3 and thus the HD format war would've ended the exact same way. The gaming media would've slammed the 360 for the same reason the PS3 was slammed in the first half of 2007.

For Microsoft, it was basically damned-if-you-do, damned-if-you-don't. I really don't see this playing out any differently unless the 360 had a built-in HD-DVD drive and Microsoft had kept the $399 price tag at a huge loss - which doesn't make sense for them, because they don't have the same sort of stake that Sony does in the format war.

Man, the gaming media is getting annoying these days. The same people who slammed Sony for including a Blu-Ray drive in the PS3 at a vastly increased price are now the same ones slamming Microsoft for not doing the same thing. They aren't happy unless they're saying "Nah nah, I told you so" to SOMEONE.

[Evil_K_666]

That is true I liked gaming news when it was more about new games and features of consoles rather than wars over High Definition and 360 Vs. PS3 BS. I have always sided with Sony for its expertise in hardware and am naturally glad that Blu-Ray is winning but there are a lot of posers out there that see their console or High definition preference fail and they are quick to side with the opposing side. It is actually sad in my opinion that this gaming "news" is becoming more and more like real "news" full of wars and one sided opinionated crap. I just want to read news about upcoming games and Hardware upgrades.

[fishd]

rest in peace Hd DVD,we'll miss you

[leon76]

... i will not miss hddvd, i'm glad it's over! Now the consumer will be more well served!!! Bluray is the future!!!1

[BLUR111]

it's funny, i remember when blu ray came out everyone was like huh whats that. so it seems that only ps3 fanboys are crazy bout there hdformat thats so.. so.. amazing lol wtfever atleast ms didnt depend on hd dvd to sell there consoles and using something to make it seem so special

[Superiorrior]

Oh yeah, 50 Gigs of disc space is so USELESS, dual layer is 100 gigs, thats EVEN MORE USELESS, f*cking idiot.