HD-DVD add-on can't do lossless audio

Comfirmed from Microsoft Exec Amir.

"Since there is no HDMI on the 360, the only option you have here is to buy the Toshiba player. We do decode TrueHD per my earlier post but we can't get it out in a lossless manner.
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[D R Fz]

if this is true

[sa73917]

Oh well I'm sure someone will say its not a problem because only audiophiles want true lossless audio and they won't be using a 360 for their music..

(And if you believe that I've got a coat hanger shaped bridge in Sydney to sell you.. )

[Aflac]

the 360 is getting hdmi in the near future, ps3 fanboys r just pissed that the ps3's got nuthin on the 360, they keep posting crap thats already invalid.

[dantesparda]

Look, I own a 360 and waited out all night for it, but you 360 fanboys make me sick! you's are some of the most ignorant people I have ever seen! (almost worst than political people). I do not plan on buying a PS3 as I will never pay $400 or more for a game system again. But for you all to sit hear and accuse the other guy of being a fanboys is just ridiculous! it is complete and utter hypocrisy. So you're hating on them for being the same thing you's are too! But the only difference is that they are insulting or putting down mommy Xbox 360 or mommy PS3. You's are to blinded by your own fanboyism to see it! And $200 HD-DVD movie player add-on is not going to look or sound as good as a true stand-alone unit that costs more money and is designed specifically for that. Im not saying that it couldnt, but that usually it doesnt, almost you are comparing it to a really cheap model, or the model is alot older. And who really cares about this thing anyway? Are you really interested in HD-DVD player? Or is this all just about your competition and winning? This is sick! you people are sick! Get out, go to a club, dance with a girl, pick up some chick at a MALL or something. And stop caring so much about Sony or MS.

[Donkey Slayer]

It is very true, no HDMI, no lossless.

Amir:
"Answer is simple: NO. There is no HDMI option. Only output options are VGA/Component. "

http://www.avsforum.com/avs...

[shotty]

Well I dont even have a loseless player. The xbox 360 is supposed to provide a cost effective next gen player. If you want all the bells and whistles then you should go with a standalone player. I for one have an HDTV but not HDMI. Even if I did, I don't have a receiver capable of outputting lossless audio (There isn't even a player in the world that can output HD audio). I am sticking with DTS which the xbox 360 outputs over toslink cables which is more than good enough for me to watch HD-DVD.

[gnothe1]

these Ps3 fans are doing whatever it takes to try an take the sail out of MS boat.if its not true HD with 1080p then its true HD sound.come on people get real.MS made a GAMING CONSOLE theres no games that use this.sony made a MOVIE CONSOLE, still no games support this but there is MOVIES that do!!!I just wanna play games.

[Donkey Slayer]

unfortunately that is true. Wouldn't you have been happier if MS had included so that games would. 7.1 audio uncompressed like Resistance
This isn't about taking the sail out of MS. This is about educating the consumer. The consumer should know what to expect, that is all. For many people crippled audio and no HDMI is fine, considering the excellent price of the unit (if you already own an xbox360).

[Marty8370]

lol,not if u like watching in Hi Def.

[BIadestarX]

you used you last comment bubble on this? Bottom line is that HD-DVD should not be what drive gamers to buy the 360, but the games. The sad part about is that while Microsoft it's so busy trying to show games, Sony it's busy trying to highlight a damn hdmi cable! You see, I noticed a similarity between your bubbles(2) and your relationship with Sony. you have 2 options. You buy their blu-ray player(super computer as they call it) or you can forget playing games. Good thing XBox fans have lots of bubbles, so we have a saying. Don't you dare post another comment! You have no saying!

[Marriot VP]

wait what was that, oh yah you have no bubbles left

[Sphinx]

...so? I don't even know what "lossless" means. I do understand though, for an affordable HD movie player this is the way to go. One must remember, buying this HD-DVD add-on is completely voluntary! If you want lossless whatever, then pay for it.

[Dusk]

The clawing of desperate fanboys, trying anything they can to bash MS. Sad, really sad. Hey, I've got a suggestion, how about you go play video games.

[Daewoodrow]

Keep trying fanboys. Considering all the good xbox news I got this week, lossless audio is a pretty weak attempt at making me angry. You'll have to do better than that, stupid s**ts.

[kewlkat007]

Some people don't even know what lossless is? Why is this important to gaming Again?Did sony say so? I don't give a rats @ass. Give me 5.1, cause I don't have 7.1 channel setup.

Aren't there more important focus these days then 1080p/HDMI/ and now Lossless sound?

"MS" keep doing what your doing. Keep showing great games to come, and a XBOXive service thats getting better. That's all I wanna play. Sony needs to shifts it's focus on Gaming and not Movie watching, and comparisons to Computers.

I actually was somewhat excited for TGS and for the sony and thier Console. Now that it's over, for some reason I don't see anything else to get excited for anymore. Just more pictures of games that not finished with only a month to go before thier launch. There was a big buildup about the TGS and all that bickering, now it is just flatlined.(Boring)

I don't need lossless audio. Thats why they make stand alone players that have way better quality and more outputs.

[TheMART]

This is plain bullsh!t.

The 360 output connector is digital and can put out in HDMI if the cable is sold period.

Anything else is just brought up by Sony fanboys beïng afraid of the 360 takeover as king of the hill.

THis is leading to a freaking forum as a link. How far do you go fanboys to get yourself feeling good about buying an overprices non standard BluRay player?

[Donkey Slayer]

voted so far as well. Nobody thinks it's cool of MS.
Why do fanboys take this news as an attack.. An attack on MS from MS? Very bizarre xboxit fanboy logic.
Clue: Amir was just clarifying what the capabilities are, no need to get all upset at him.

[original seed]

Its fanboy bullsh1t.

[original seed]

Trying to put a damper on the 360. Just because PS3 is crap doesn't mean you need to start throwing sh!t at the 360. I for one am getting the HDDVD. I can wait to use it.

[drewdrakes]

Ok seriously, i dont use surround sound at all. And lossless audio means nothing to me at all. Vibration means a lot more to me then dolby 7.1 surround sound. Was this add-on meant to be the absolute best player? Absolutely not. Its an add-on, a cheap extension for those who already have a 360 and would like to watch movies in HD. Is everyone buying a next-gen console going to go out and buy an HDTV? Do they really expect that? I wouldnt go out of my way to get one, i already had it, because i watch HDTV on it. Also, i still hate this format war, they arent that much better then DVD (not very noticably better, you can throw resolutions at me all you want though, i still dont care, because the eye doesnt see every pixel).

[power of Green]

Lets not jump the gun with this flame trap of a post. The last time i checked the 360 didn't have component or RCA ports anywhere on the console but yet i'm playing in 1080i mode. Why would MS half-ass do it when they know the gamers that choose to use this feature would want all or nothing?. The guy that posted this story/BS is clearly an Sony fanboy in sheeps clothing.

[Donkey Slayer]

he is an MS executive in the know.

Even gaming websites have referenced him before, such as Joystiq.

[power of Green]

Nope! 360 can't use digital audio because the digital audio port isn't on the 360. (PUN) The spin/hating stops here & no hating" because where looking out for you. Stop sipping the Kool-Aid only G*d knows what the pro's are up to.

[Arkham]

I think only G*d knows what you're talking about. I can't find your point.

[THAMMER1]

If you have them your O.K. HDMI is a non-issue. It like if you catch your friend with you underwear on and he says, "Hey you told me you don’t like black people." You say. "What dose that have to do with you rocking my boxers bro." That is a silly way to look at the HDMI true HD thing.

It is a counter point to take your attention away from the true issue. The true issue is that Sony is trying to discredit MS’s hardware. If you look at the fact that the word true is being abused by a liar our see how meaningless this depute is.

People stop being corporate pawns. After 2 years Sony PS3 fans should just be posting. It’s good I like it. Not Oh wow look how much we are better than you. Get over it your last console was the most popular but the weakest out of the 3. You act like you been eating steak wile the rest of us were eating leather. You Sony fan bots are diluted and stuck up. Lets just enjoy gaming sweet freaking JAMES!!

[Donkey Slayer]

it was a rabid xbox fanboy SirNathaniel post number 3, hahahha

power of green II - maybe if you didn't smoke so much green you'd have better comprehension skills. Digital Audio and Lossless are 2 different things, nobody said the xbox360 couldn't do digital audio, it can, just not lossless :)

So many people have so little knowledge of home theater. Clearly an MS Executive educating them isn't a good thing as the thin is so thin on xbox360 fanatics.

Last post from me, I guess I'll be laughing at the rest that have poor comprehenstion skills. It is really sad that every piece of fact is seen as an attack.

[PS360WII]

this really is a sad attempt really. Now they move on to audio seeing that the video part has been handled. I swear this will never end. So what happens after audio? might as well start that argument now too

[power of Green]

I can't believe people don't know MS's "ask but we won't tell" mentality. Anyways I'm sure there's 3rd party companies like Mad Catz and Monster Cables ect just itching to figure something out. This thread is Venting Sony fanboyism if i ever seen it.

[FadeToBlack]

Your paying $199 for a HD-DVD add on which comes with a free movie. If you want Lossless audio spend some freakin cash and get a stand alone player. Anyone that puts this add on down for this reason is a complete moron. What more do you want with your $200?? Want it to play holgraphic disks in Ultra Definition???? Get real.

[kmis87]

Anyone who is really obsessed with getting HDDVD movies is probably going to get a stand alone player or hold out and hope for an internal drive on the 360 or an HDMI adapter. I think the add on has more appeal to someone who doesn't have a top of the line hdtv and a great sound system. I'm a little troubled that we haven't heard anything about an HDMI adapter. Thats really the only thing that I expected out of x06 that hasn't come true, although they have given surprises I didn't see coming (Splinter Cell).

[Krimson]

Okay, now let's get a head count. Who all here has an HDMI 1.3 accepting receiver, in which this is actually bad news?

... anyone?

[kmis87]

I'm getting a 1080p hdtv over the holidays, but I'll be using my ps3 for movies and probably won't even get the add on for the 360 so it isn't that big of a deal for me.

[The BS Police]

If this is true, it is a loss, but nothing is ever perfect.

Hopefully Microosft might be able to fix this problem in the near future.

[Krimson]

Who asked about a TV? You think your tv is going to ouput 7.1 lossless audio?

Do people even understand what kind of hardware is required for lossless 7.1?

[power of Green]

Yes some of us do. Read post 18.

[DJ]

Jen-Hsun Huang already said that he can't see Microsoft not putting a built-in HDMI port for their console, despite the consequences should they choose to do so (i.e. alienating the millions of consumers who already purchased one). The lack of lossless audio is just another problem on top of the list of problems due to the fact that the console was built around the idea of profitable add-ons and upgrades, and this strategy is beginning to backfire.

When consumers start to feel cheated and misled, things start to get ugly. Whine all you want about Sony 'lying' about what their consoles are capable of (if anything, they should be yelled at for underexaggerating), but when you buy a Playstation 3 you know you're getting a top-of-the line system that will never need to upgrades or add-ons. Even Nintendo shaped up and realized how bad add-ons are.

[Dusk]

I can barely even comprehend fanboy logic anymore. So you're saying that MS sucks for giving me a CHOICE to buy HD movie playback? If I don't want it, I don't have to get it. Simple. Logical. Economical. Makes sense, unlike fanboism.

Sony included bluray in the PS3 solely to inflate the number of bluray players on the market. This, in their mind, will help convince movie houses not to support HD-DVD. Sony needs bluray to be a success to save itself from going under and will do anything to make this happen. It has nothing to do with providing a great game system.

No, it's not a guarantee that the PS3 is top of the line. What if bluray fails? What if the cell doesn't perform up to its predicted capabilies? What if the PS3 has the same crappy optical reader that plagued both the PS1 and PS2? Why don't PS3 games look better than 360 games? Why does Microsoft keep taking all the great exclusives? What if the bluray drive reads too slow and causes long load times? What if the PS3's online service sucks like the PS2's? Why do many developers know absolutely nothing about Sony's online service less than two months before launch? Why couldn't Sony do a worldwide launch? Is this due to hardware problems? How will Sony's warranty service be since it sucked when the PS2 launch had problems? Where's the rumble?

That's alot of unanswered questions, so I don't know how anyone can say FOR SURE that the PS3 is 'top of the line'.

[DJ]

every PS3 title is going to be pressed onto Blu-ray anyway. Considering how Sony's sold billions of pieces of software on previous formats, doing the same with Blu-ray will automatically make it a successful format. Either way, consumers are smart enough to realize that Blu-ray is the superior format and the best choice on the market. And how many times do I have to say this? Blu-ray was put in for games! It doesn't even make sense to accuse them of putting the format in order to make profits off of movies when there's about a hundred different companies involved with the format.

[xrobbanx]

Blue Ray is NOT a superior format if you listen to the experts and its has obviously loads of manufacturing problems. And For anything to be superior it have to crush competition and it doesnt HD-DVD sells more and when 360 add on gets out there will be 10 million potential byers

[power of Green]

I don't buy it. Theres always new cords/cables and ports coming one after the other. Add-ons/choice is the way to go, it's why the Xbox's harddrive is removable this time around because things change so fast, the PS3 will have many "add-ins"/hardware upgrades in it's life time. Whats the difference?. Oh i know.

[FeralPhoenix]

Before I read this article I had heard of "lossless audio" maybe 3 or 4 times before and after reading this article about 360 HD DVD player lack of "lossless audio" without HDMI, the only thing I felt was like, OK so what? Now I'm sure there are those who really do care, but somehow I think they always planned on buying a standalone player....just a guess. As for the rest of us, were all doomed listening to 5.1 on our "useless" surround sound home theatre systems.

[achira]

200 bucks for this crap ? only morons would buy this crap for 200 bucks. 1. you cant use it for games 2. its has no hdmi 3. its an addon. 4. who is so brainwashed not to see that the ps3 is a far better bargain than the xbox360. for 500 bucks you have everything without cripplnes like the xbox360 and its addons. a ps3 for me !
Some say it does not matter. it does matter ! if you have 1080p+hdmi its another level of quality, there were many ppl at tgs who wonder how sharp and nice the quality on the ps3 is, it has its reasons! its not the case that you dont notice it, its a huge difference !