PS Vita firmware update 1.81 releasing tonight.
and so begins the back-and-forth...
the never-ending story. Sony will not be able to stop piracy with updates, hackers always crack it in a matter of hours.
You sir are correct, sony is just asking for it, daring the hackers to do it. And of coarse what do hackers do. THEY HACK!
tell that to latest FW PS3 owner.
So you're saying it's best if Sony doesn't do anything at all? Because God forbid Sony keeps its system's performance and security up to date for their paying consumers. /s
Oh my god, it's so awful that Sony are actively keeping on top of the security and performance of their platforms /s People seriously need to grow up, a 5 minute update is NOT a big deal in the grand scheme of things. Maybe if hackers weren't such A-holes in the first place constantly trying to steal things for free that cost devs millions and costing fans the support of devs on the platform. The whole "i'm going to spend £200 on a Vita to pirate games and play PSP Isos" is completely retarded. Hackers already killed PSP support dead when they hacked that device, go play your PSP isos on that since it's already dead. I'm striving for a career within development so BS like this really winds me the f*ck up. If Sony DON'T do this, they may aswell tell Vita owners to give up and devs to not bother making games for them, because who wants to pump time and money into a game if A-holes are just going to steal it and put people out of jobs? F*CK hackers. /rant over
I dont pirate anything. Speaking from a recent dilemna from a cell phone i purchased (verizon galaxy s3) point of view, I should be able to do what I want with my phone, that I bought and own. I understand that each are a service and require certain things, and I know pirating is wrong, but owning a device is owning a device.
@ddurand1 You bought the device knowing what it can and can't do. If the device doesn't do what you want it to, then you shouldn't have bought the device.
but if you can create extra features or workarounds, then it should be on a so be it basis. Im allowed to buy products based on their potential, as well as their features.
@thefaceless its not pirating to want to play psp and ps1 games you already own on another device, sony are flat out ASKING to be hacked by not making any device backwards compatable, the community will find a way. as soon as the ps4 is out there will be emulators for the ps3 as well, in fact there already are but sony is on a warpath shutting them down for obvious reasons. SCREW paying sony over and over again for the same games, they deserve every bit of hacking on their devices they get, (except the network hack, which is just crap......but as far as jailbreaking devices YOU OWN, suck it giant multinational corporation, you released your over-priced gadget into the wild, now its our turn to have fun with it and see what it can really do.
You can do what ever you want with the device you buy. But if you break it knowingly, you are taking a risk and are accountable for it. Same for pretty much everything. Go, patch it, hack it, or whatever, flash it, write your own OS. But don't whiny if you can't get any support from Sony, or it wouldn't run games no more, or your cell phone doesn't work as intended. Nobody is keeping you from doing what you want with the device. It's not a crime.
@taquito They're called PSone and PSP games for a reason, because they were made for those consoles not any other one. As far as the "jailbreaking" goes as you refer to it, when you purchase the device you agree to the terms and conditions of using it. Don't want to agree to them, don't buy it. Simple solution.
It took me 89 minutes to download and update firmware on 20 Mbit/sec internet just a few hours ago. 5 minute update, heh?
Sell ur Vita's now!!, developers are already jumping ship ( from my secret source)
Im not updating. I really want to play the PSP isos.
you can play PSP isos? never knew that.
me too, sony needs to bring more PSP games to the PSVita PSN. dont worry -Mika- this is nothing, im sure wololo will find a way around this. i got my PSvita hacked, and in not going back, disagree all you want, is my device i do whatever i want with it u sheeps.
Sheeps? Or perhaps we're not so caught up in playing 8 year old games, and would rather see newly developed titles on the Vita, which if this crap continues won't happen. It's a shame that people like you can't realise this simple fact.
Hope you enjoy never getting to play online. Hackers can't get past online passes. Biatch.
We're sheeps because we don't steal our games? If you want to be a thief all fine and good, I won't judge, but don't insult us to make yourself look better. You want to bring up arguments as to what your doing is moral and just then go right ahead, every time the pirates do so they only make themselves look like fools, and more sheepish than real consumers because they haven't had an original thought in over 10 years on the issue. You and Mika readily admitted your stealing content...we disagree because we would prefer the Vita to not go down the path the PSP went with a huge drop in developer support due to piracy.
Those, who you're calling sheeps are BYUING games for them to continue to come out on PSP or Vita. If it's not for them, who are paying for their games, there would be no ISOs for you, because there would be no games. Don't be so retarded. If you want to pirate something, at least shut up and do it quietly.
If I wanted to play PSP games, I'd have kept my PSP-2000. So far I've only bought 2 PSP games. Surely people understand that if the Vita gets hacked, the developers will jump ship completely?
Don't say things like that. Some people can't cope with lateral thinking, it makes them ill
sad but true :/
Uhh ohh gave my opinion on n4g, disagree me to death, boo hoo. Disagrees show your sensitivity.
what did you expect?
You gave your opinion. If my opinion is different then your's I will disagree with you. That's the whole point of the agree/disagree system. You stated what you honestly thought, and I and apparently many others, don't feel the same way as you. If you stated a fact and were right about it and still got disagrees I could understand your bitching, but you obviously don't understand how things work.
What do you expect smarta**? Trade in your vita;) I will be playing LBP vita:) Also pre ordered the wii u ;) Best of both worlds dude.
I wish a LOT more people like you exists ! Fanboyism & hackers(who steal software) are killing the gaming industry -_- ..!
The only person being sensitive on here because of an update is you. I mean trade in a ps3 and a vita because of an update, really? That's not an opinion. Ridiculous is more like it.
Your comment was immature, there is a right way to voice your wacked out opinion and a wrong way. You chose the wrong way, that's all there is to it.
If you can`t handle N4G then I`m afraid of what will happen to your pitiful mind when you go out in the real world.
Why don't they try to create built in hack traps..like leading them to a dead end...and by dead end I mean bricked machine. Not that I don't want people to enjoy homebrew, just something I was wondering if they ever thought of.
All I can think of is, that that may lead to lawsuits
Exactly. In the end, the PS Vita is yours and Sony should have no right to purposely brick your device if you want to tinker with it. I am VERY against piracy, but I am not one to bend over for companys
@El_Colombiano you are right, pero ten cuidado porke esta pagina esta repleta de maripositas y son demasiado ignorantes, ke asen todo lo ke sony les diga. mira ke en unos momentos te cagan con disagrees. es patetico. me da asco esta pagina a veces.
If it's legal to jail break iPhones, it's legal to do the same to a PS Vita. I think the problem is more piracy than the actual hacking of the device its self. An MP3 player is completely legal, but it may not have a single legally downloaded MP3 on it. Similarly, hacking and homebrew is legal, but game piracy is not and that's what they need to crack down on.
@El_ You are right, BUT you are forgetting. Sony has NEVER said you can't hack your system, hell when the ps3 was hacked they said you can hack it if you want. But these updates are optional upgrades through PSN, where you agree to sonys rules to get a upgraded system. Also same with online, they won't banned you for having a hacked system but it goes against the rules of psn and that means you are not allowed to be on the servers. When ps3 had hackers on the servers EVERY game was ruined.
When will i ever get my legend of dragoon?!!!!
Dragoon already works legitimately. Just transfer from ps3
They should put it in the TOS that you cannot reverse engineer any part of the vita
you are the clear definition of a sheep. I BOUGHT MY SYSTEM, I DO WHATEVER I WANT WITH IT!!!ITS MY MONEY! MY STUFF.
And be damned if it ruins it for everyone else because developers won't support it!! hurrah!
You are the clear definition of short sighted. Hack and take what you want for free. Then the Vita will lose developers.
We are not sheep, we are just people who want to actually enjoy a handheld that is geared more towards a console experience (in terms of graphics and play-ability). Do you remember how quickly developers jumped ship after the PSP was hacked? This will happen all over again, and do you know what will happen to all those sweet games that could be made for the PS Vita? Never finished because of people like you. The PS Vita is a mere "conduit" if you will, to what lies underneath all that hardware. Developers make games/software for it, and you have so many other options (apps, music/video player, AR capabilities, internet, a camera,) so why would you even think to play outdated games on it? Buy a PSP, use your computer for goodness sake, but don't mess around with this new hardware; you'll only make this miserable for all of us.
probs security fixes, improve system stability, etc.. Heh..
Like any other store product, pay for it! Be a f*ckin' normal citizen and earn the money to buy it. Damn thieves cause constant updates and influence drm.
Well said! Honestly, with sales popping up all the time, your average Vita game costs $30-40. Your average movie costs $10 + concession stand purchase and only lasts maybe 2.5 hours. A Vita game @ $30 is going to last AT LEAST 6-7 hours, if not plenty more, plus you can trade it in towards something else after... I just don't get piracy when developers are working hard to provide fun games.
not to mention keeping prices up for people that are paying for content.
@jjb1981 @SynGamer @rockbottom3076 WELL F***IN SAID !! SUPPORT the people who give you the awesome stuff that you want instead of trying to get it for free by stealing !
the website is forbidden/blocked in my country , lol .. that's like a sign to me to not update xD ...
Literally, the only thing I need from the Vita right now is the ability to delete game data but keep save data.
Backup your save data to the cloud, your PS3, or your PC. I dunno why it's not separate, either, but maybe that also has something to do with exploits. That's what I see in most of the annoying "features" of the Vita: measure to prevent hackers from hacking, and thus be able to run pirated software. I'm perfectly happy with my Vita being perfectly legit. Though I'm perfectly upset that I misplaced my memory card with Sound Shapes, P3P, and The Show on it...
I'm hoping the PS+ integration will allow back ups, then I won't worry about it.
"That's what I see in most of the annoying "features" of the Vita: measure to prevent hackers from hacking, and thus be able to run pirated software." Unfortunately it becomes a never ending cycle. Just look at all the DRM issues in the PC market, and honestly consumer-unfriendly DRM is the one place I see as a positive for hacking, but only if they purchased the game. Sadly it's become a chicken and egg scenario with each one blaming the other for what they're doing. Each side is trying to outdo the other. The hackers seem to be too quick though to make DRM effective. I won't say that corporations aren't trying to take away our consumer rights when it comes to gaming, but at no time have I seen pirates do anything to bring those rights back to fight for the consumer. I really don't blame Sony for what they're doing because I was an early adopter of the PSP and I saw a systematic decline in new software as the pirates took over. But I will be the first to admit that it can be damn annoying sometimes...Content Manager comes to mind, and it's totally lackluster PC software.
Bro, is it true what you said above, regarding the legality of hacking a dedicated handheld device. I thought it only applied to smartphones? I never knew the definition on where the law applies could extend to any handheld devices.
It's a legal grey area tiff. From what I understand you can do whatever you want with the products you own, smartphones, handhelds, tablets, consoles, etc. However modifying system code, a phone's OS code, or a systems firmware code and then re-releasing it to do something it wasn't intended to do is illegal. In some cases modifying this code is illegal in itself, but if someone does it for personal reasons there isn't likely to be any legal ramifications. I'm not entirely sure how this affects android OS since it's open source.
People who support hacks you suck. It has nothing to do with that it is your device. If developers know their product is going to be played for free without paying.. they will stop producing any game for the vita. ;) Smart move A holes.
hackers hack away your never going to play ps vita games and that is all that matters.
you people makes hack as if it's pirate , it's just unlocking features ! i won't pirate >.< , im not doing it on the ps3 so why would i do it in vita ?. ps3 games cost a lot more but i still buy them new if they deserve it which most of them does...
That is ALWAYS the excuse. the point being, even if the A-hole who originally crack the device doesn't want to pirate software, there are 1,000 out there who will burst the door he unlocked wide open and start pirating themselves. There is a larger scale domino effect, it's not the "but i only want to play 15yo N64 games on my 2012 handheld? wah!" kinda people that will kill it, it's the vast amounts of others who will ruin Vita software support. All piracy should gtfo, be it emulation or otherwise. If you can't afford/aren't willing to pay for something, DON'T BOTHER WITH IT AT ALL.
im not the one who hacked it , im just taking advantage of it since it will be already hacked , it's not an excuse it's a way to use full advantage of the vita , im not hacking it to play old games , i want to use the remote feature and other things that sony promised us to give but never did ... @Bowzabub just imagine geohotz never hacked the iphone , you wouldnt see these features now , you were limited to one kind of phone cards , is that what you want ?. limit your self for a contract the company made ?.. this is the best example not a gun , hack won't kill anyone , it isn't stealing or anything and i don't care if something bad happen to sony because it's there fault for not keeping the promise ..
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ And here we have it, exactly the kind of person i was talking about You base your purchase on what you are told it will do once its actually released. it's ridiculous to justify piracy and hacking a device based on promises made months or years prior to release before realistic full capabilities could be known. Does that mean its OK to pirate Killzone 2 because it didn't meet the CGI trailer? or make it OK to steal a Galaxy Nexus that i'm told is 4G, but isn't 4G in my area? Make up all the little fantasy stories and BS justifications you like, from what i have heard, you're just a straight up thief who shouldn't be allowed these things if you're not willing to pay like everyone else. I hope your happy when Vita gets abandoned, development studios go under, great franchises may die/never exist and talented people are put out of jobs.
There's a reason Sony hasn't enabled things like full remote play yet. They want it to work as flawlessly as possible when it's officially released, and if you're too impatient to wait, and would settle for some half assed implementation, then you're right. It's your vita
"it isn't stealing or anything and i don't care if something bad happen to sony because it's there fault for not keeping the promise" What exactly did Sony promise you on the PSP that it didn't deliver which warranted a hack? The original PSP hack was just that...a way to load homebrew software on the system. It was cool to be able to do so on what was a pretty powerful handheld for it's time. You don't feel sorry for them? How about feeling sorry for those of us who bought a PSP and then saw a utter decline in software because people felt they should be able to do whatever they wanted with it. Home consoles and handhelds are CLOSED systems. They are controlled by the company that makes them. Sometimes they throw people a bone...linux on the PS3, PS Suite for Vita, and yet people still think that they should get more. Here's a thought...if the system can't do what you want it to as provided by the manufactuer...THEN DON'T BUY THE SYSTEM. Quite personally if people want to hack and are capable of doing so then I say they should go for it. But they should be content with that and not go and post their methods and code out there for the whole world to see. If they want to show off what they did and get props for them then fine...but as soon as they start releasing code and hacks they go from being people with an interest in hacking the hardware to being people who support piracy.
Waahh!! "It's my gun, if I want to rob a bank with it I should be allowed!". Right? Just remember people, nothing in this world is free.. You'll pay for it one way or another. Maybe not in cash, but in karma. Enjoy!
nice way of putting it, even if people don`t believe in karma (I don`t), things are always connected to something else. The act of causation.
I really wanna play Birth By Sleep and Crisis Core on my Vita. I might buy the UMDs and then keep it hacked until I'm done with those.
I believe people have the right to do whatever they want with there products BUUUT if it effects the company/community then various actions have to be taken place