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I really want to know what's going on with docked vrr cause cyberpunk at 40 fps docked seems to be a choice driven by vrr
The recent PS5 price increases have proven that the old format of console generations are no longer viable for game companies.
It's greed. Next gen prices aren't gonna be much better. I won't be surprised if next gen games are at 80. Then Sony, MS and other devs will do the usually PR of the most powerful console ever or fastest SSD or whatever to "justify" the price hike.
They'll further push ppl to PC.
"It's greed"
Oh. Please do tell us how. What components are getting cheaper?
"They'll further push ppl to PC."
Oh. Ok so Nvidia and their pricing is not greedy, then?
Another comment on the topic pointed out how how when the PS5 launched the NVMEs of this size were around £200 and now they are around £60 moreover they are using the old 7nm nodes for the CPU and GPU are getting cheaper with time and not more expensive. Both AMD and Nvidia are manufacturing their GPUs on the 4/5nm for a second generation. That is about the components
The push to PC might happen by pushing people to spend the money they would have for a console to make their PC better since most people have a PC or a Laptop. Then those people could take advantage of the more competitive nature of the PC ecosystem (Stem, GOG, Epic) and free online multiplayer. I don't think that would be a large number though.
Why aren't the components going down? Why are the components rising in cost?
Why are Nintendo prices going up, PSN prices going up and the inevitable GP price gonna go up?
Console gen will die when console games die. We are in a slow curve but not close to claim death of console gen
Exactly this gpus have trippled in price since the 20 series
CPUs have gone up
PC games still cost just as much as console games on sale
PC gaming is not some magic realm where you buy a GPU and get every game for a fiver.
I would still be a pc first player if it was
The complicit folk like this comment above are what ruin the hobby.... Apologists claiming it's not the corporations fault, it's your fault.... Gross. These people are the ones buying junk at premium prices and slowly bringing the hobby to its knees.
I guess some people are saying if you're paying PC prices for consoles you might as well just buy a PC.
"The complicit folk like this comment above are what ruin the hobby.... Apologists claiming it's not the corporations fault, it's your fault..."
If you want to bury your head then that's your choice but I think gamers also need to be held accountable for the environment they've curated.
Like, I certainly didn't teach Sony any pro-consumer lessons by buying the $200-$250+ collector's editions of TLOU Part 2, Ghost of Tsushima, and the discless GOW Ragnarok Jotnar Edition. What are PS5 Pro buyers teaching them buying a $700 console without a disc drive?
What lesson has Nintendo learned, with MK8 DX selling some 60+ million units, no price drops on Switch hardware, while selling defective joycons for 8 years on their most profitable hardware platform?
What about Microsoft and Xbox, what lessons should they take away from practically giving their games away, to declining/flatlining hardware sales?
Once you think about that, I encourage you to then factor in the reality of the ever-increasing-costs of hardware production, shipping, tariffs and taxes, and the salaries of those they employ...
Nvidia isn’t the only GPU manufacturer out there. In fact, IMO AMD is killing it now with CPUs and GPUs. There is also Intel now, for more budget minded gamers.
I don't buy that. Consoles don't exist inside of a vacuum. Everything is going up. Does that mean that everything is screwed? PC gaming isn't a solution is the issue is rising costs. Neither are dead. The real issue is that consumer income has not keep pace with inflation.
There are more adults gaming than kids but the media that caters to us still treats us like children who can't hold complex ideas and critical thinking.
it is also common knowledge that most consoles are sold at a lost. Its not until later that they release a slim version of the console where they make a bit of profit.
Believing? No it's called facts. You know me I always have facts on hand.
https://www.thestationwagon...
Sony hasn't sold at a loss for 4 years now.
https://www.theverge.com/20...
As I said Sony makes money off console MS loses it.
@lightning77
So for the last 4 years Sony hasnt sold at a loss. What happens before those 4 years?
For console, its not greed. Companies like Sony are most likely selling the consoles at a lost. Most of their profits and revenue comes from software.
Sony aren't selling the console at a loss they make money from it. However Xbox is however they lose about 200$ or so with each console sold. Probably why they're so reliant on multiplat Software sales GP stuff rather than selling consoles.
Lol @Lightning77.
Imagine believing that it cost Microsoft $200 more to make the series X than it cost Sony to build a PS5. Imagine getting played so hard when the competition is routinely beating you in non Pro match ups. If that were real (it's not) then of course MS would stop making console because they spending way more to get zero or worse results than a cheaper PS5!
Extremely L take.
No it will NOT push anyone to PC. You must be quite disconnected from reality. Go ahead and search up prices of just the GPU to be able to play modern games. an RTX 5070 will cost you around $700 alone if not a little more, and if you want a 4K capable machine that can run games at decent settings then you're going to need a stronger card which will run you closer to $1000. We haven't even gotten to the CPU or PSU or RAM or SSD, or Motherboard. A 4k gaming pc capable of running at 30+fps will run you $1500+ minimum, and if you want 60+ FPS then you guaranteed will be over $2000. If you want 2K capable machine then maybe around $1400-$1600 or so.
you bafoons are complaining about what, a $450 console (switch 2) an an $80 game? LOL get real. Console gaming is much cheaper, even PS5 Pro at $700 is a crazy deal compared to any modern gaming PC. So no, nobody is going to PC.
And anybody who thinks it's greed is disconnected from reality and just a brokie looking for a handout. Cry more.
Then why are all these YT gamers (even PS centric ones) building a PC? gaming publications and even ppl I know moving to PC or building a PC? Allot more than they have last gen?
Yep must me all in my head I guess.
So you can afford These prices and price hikes. Sounds like a child with mom's money or someone who has absolutely no life of his own.
^ Ironically, having a life is one of the main reasons to go console over PC. No tinkering, no googling or searching protondb to figure out if a game will work on your PC. Just turn it on and press play.
It is greed, but this isn’t standard greed and by that I mean these price increases aren’t just wealthy businessmen increasing costs just because they can. This is partially an effect of tarrifs and the prices are just gonna keep going up regardless of if we’re talking PC or Console.
You want to know what greed is it’s insulin pump manufacturers. I have to pay 600 a month . For pump supplies. I have no choice but to spend it. But you can decide if you want a console are not. Mine is life and death. This here is gaming
The sad thing is if Microsoft would just bugger off then none of this acceleration-ism to cloud gaming (the end goal) would be happening. They will ultimately use this expensive pricing to have us paying $100 a month for game streaming in the future.
maybe going mainstream was a mistake for gaming. sure revenues have increased several folds from the PS2 times due to that but in a capitalistic market, shareholders always want more year after year. 200mil profit this year, and if they only make another 200mil in the next year, it's not considered as a "success" thus people getting fired, studio got closed down just so that they can say that they made "more" than last year for the investors! if only these people are as passionate about gaming like they do about their margin, gaming would still be an enjoyable and affordable hobby.
I'll be looking at how Sony handles the PS6. if things get crazier in pricing than this gen already is, I think I will just stop at the PS5 and not invest in next gen.
I find myself playing games on my pc more and more this generation. I have my PC which I built myself, hooked up to my 65 inch oled tv.
I got Indiana Jones for free with my gfx card, my steam library is 500+ deep. I’m only buying consoles at this point because of physical games. Once the consoles go all digital, I will just be a pc gamer, because I can build whatever I want, without any limitations.
so u have 500 games u probably even havent played.
arent u part of the problem tho? ha
Most of my games were $5-$10 summer and winter sales. Some of them are F2P.
And about 40 of them were full price release day purchases. My account is almost 20 years old.
unlike consoles, steam doesn't get a 5-6 year reset on their games, i know this is a shocking revelation. if part of the problem is only having to buy your games once, we sure are guilty
@michiel1989: alll my ps4 gsmes work on my ps5. So that's approaching 14 years worth of content. Also you say that but it's not strictly true. I own pc gsmes from way way back in like 2007/2008 that literally can't run on modern drivers and stuff. You have to go online and find ancient software and install it and often it conflicts with the modern versions of the same software so you have to deal with that to get those titles running.
most games since windows xp work fine and if its a title from 1990 i don't mind having the option of not having to buy it again and just run a virtual version of 1998 or something alike to play it, but most often there are way easier fixes. Also i can play multiplayer for games that have been shutdown by the publisher, because the pc community is awesome.
It looks like we are going to a new video game crash like in te 80s. Games are going to cost too much, the PS6 and next Xbox will be a huge and costly dissapointment.
We honestly do not need a new generation of consoles at all. Even PC gaming is seeing more and more reduced gains on technology advances.
The crash was about very poor quality games on Atari in the days before NES even released. Games are much better now and people will never stop playing. Pricing won’t force people to change hobbies because games like Fortnite start as low as free. Most AAA games end up with massive discounts after a while. Nintendo don’t discount but everyone keeps buying them full price anyway. Those are my thoughts when people predict a total industry crash. The industry will rather change and adapt. Companies that fail to adapt will go bust but there will still be big winners like GTA VI.
Erm not really. The coat of hardware and such is all increasing if anything given inflation games have gone down in value since 2007 and even further down in value since the 1990s. What's changed is everyone feels entitled to buy everything new day one and not have to save for anything. Sadly that's just not how the world works.
I’ve already decided that I won’t get a PS6 until the PS7 is released. That way the console will cheaper as will the games and most will be complete editions with all dlc.
I’m too old to be worrying about playing games as soon as they’re released, just so I can say I bought it day one. I will continue to play my last gen and vr games in the meantime as I wait for price drops. This will not push me towards PC gaming though.
I still have not bought a PS5 yet . I want to wait till next fall to buy one, hoping they have a price drop on all PS5s . I do not have a PC to game on . Unfortunately I do not think I can wait to next fall because DOOM The Dark Ages is being released on May 15 of next month. .
I waited three years before I got my PS5, and to tell the truth it really wasn’t worth it, besides PSVR2.
There aren’t many games for it that is strictly PS5, that I was interested in, many were still available on PS4. The ones that are PS5 only pricing is still a bit high, but I understand you wanting to get a PS5 for DOOM. Hopefully you get one during some kind of sale between now and then.
"no longer viable" as the PS5 out paces the PS4 and that's before GTA6 releases. The Switch 2 will almost certainly be a smash hit also.
Welcome back to Next-Gen Console Watch! Ryan and Max are back as they discuss what the Nintendo Switch 2 Pricing means for the eventual PlayStation 6 and next Xbox. Can any console going forward reach the same success as the original Switch? And for handheld gaming PC's and the Xbox handheld, can we expect those to cost $450+, just like the Switch 2? .
probably not much.
the new gen will have its big appeal for alot of people.
the big question will be if the dwitch 2 will be left behind by devs again due to the games being too demanding, again.
but, and ive said this before, nintendo will be fine without it.
their big selling point is nostalgia and people eat it up.
and thw handheld option, but we are yet to see how the battery life actually holds up.
Portal already allows third party games like Cyberpunk on a handheld so I think people are hyping this up too much. Games will look better on Portal and have better battery life. My only interest in S2 is exclusives.
doesn't even matter for me, because my Switch 1 was 80% a handheld system for me throughout its lifetime. PS5, then PS6 will continue to be my proper console, bc Nintendo will always stay gimped in that regard. With that said, I'm excited for the Switch 2's extra power solely as a handheld. I don't find the system price unreasonable, but I do find the game prices crazy.
Yeah tend to agree ps is my main but i travel for work and having a switch has always helped with flights and hotel stays
I use to bring my PS5 with me everywhere with a huge case hehe. Now I bring my Portal with me everywhere unless I am going to a cabin with no Wifi and then I bring my Pro with me.
The Switch 2 is, what, $629 CAD? I'm not paying that, I'll wait for a price drop. But I'm just wondering how expensive the next PS and Xbox are going to be. I'm definitely not buying them at launch.
This is where shit is just getting too expensive to be worth it for me. Smaller jumps in visuals each gen, poor quality games in general, many games broken or borderline unplayable on launch, mtx out the ass, higher game prices, etc. For me it's not worth paying so much more for so much less. I'll stick with PC where I have a higher cost but so much more utility and usability for the money.
PC upgrade costs are astronomical as well. Furthermore, AAA games on PC will be priced comparably to AAA games on console. If you want cheap quality games, there are hundreds of good indies out there which will run just fine on a console or low powered PC.
If there are production issues, hopefully MS will address them before releasing their system. Though if there's another "RROD" incident they could probably damage control their way out of it.
If it's delayed, it won't be a production issue. Both Sony and Microsoft are waiting for the final specs of the Wiiu and the specs of their respective competition. This is just normal procedure to maximise impact on release.
Wait, can you delay something that hasn't been announced?
How can it be delayed?
Has it even been officially announced yet?
I suppose this is here to compliment the Gamestop article about there being only one next gen console in 2013.