Current-generation consoles have "really passed their use-by date", DayZ creator Dean Hall has claimed, before warning that next-generations consoles will face "a bit of a battle" with PC due to the format's innovative approach to gaming.
I'm still looking forward to games on both the xbox and ps3 but I'm more than ready to make the next-gen jump.
Your level headed and well reasoned statements are not welcome here. j/k. It does suck that we are in for a bit of a wait as to next gen consoles, even though I can play the latest and greatest on PC, its just not the same.
The wait dosn't suck because the more time that essentially passes by the more time that gives these manufacturers to weed out problems. So logical. *sips beer*
I don't mind a big gap, because it means the next leap will just have to be that much further. As for the article, who cares what the DayZ guy thinks? I've seen that game. The graphics and AI suck. Zombies will run at about 60mph at one moment and then stand in a weird pose while turning for about 15 seconds. Then they'll start running again. Though popular, it's messed up and poorly modded.
" next-generations consoles will face "a bit of a battle" with PC due to the format's innovative approach to gaming" XboX live on Windows? I think consoles can handle that. P.S. If the 360 and PS3 have passed their use-by date, then what makes Wii U different? I'm just curious as to what the PC and Wii U has that the 360 and PS3 doesn't. All answers are welcome.
Having limitations doesn't give consoles a "use-by" date. There will ALWAYS be limitations with technology and that just means certain ideas can't be used here and others can there. Eventually, yes, the new tech is great to have, but consoles don't "expire". Old game systems are still getting games made/sold by enthusiasts. People still bought those....they're not any lesser of games. Those systems were ready for replacements, but they didn't "expire" A million zombies with piss-poor AI on the horizon can't be done on 7th gen consoles?!?!?! OH NOES!!!!!
@inveni0 Thats why they are making a standalone game, because, yes, dayz is just that, a mod.
PS3 and xbox 360 passed there use buy date, what sort of bullshit statement is that? There's still loads of great games that are still to come on these great consoles that will keep us playing for along time, so I can't see the PS3 and 360 ready for the bin yet. Tried PC gaming and to me there's to much hassle installing and updates just to play a game.
being realistic, in the last 7 years i can only think of 2-3 PC games that have been "innovative","g roundbreaking" or have just flat out "amazing GOTY worthy" Different story on consoles tho
Pretty sure the 'Use by' comment refers to the time period that 3rd party developers should have begun their final projects by if they want to take advantage of the opportunities that a gung ho user base brings. After whatever that date is, many gamers have moved on, or are so interested in what the next thing is going to be, they reign in the wallets a bit in order to be prepared. I would think that most of us still on occasion enjoy our NES, SNES, Genesis, PS1, PS2, etc. games. There's no such thing as a use by date for people who truly love all types of games. But from a risk and desire of profit standpoint, for developers, there may be.
you know what's funny neither sony nor ms will release a system till 2014. Y'all are crazy why would they release a new system when these are selling as well and the games have never looked better. How is that with each passing game graphics and stuff keep improving and this is suppose to be old tech expect both companies to talk about new systems at E3 only to wait a year like Nintendo did and e3 2014 is when we will get a full blown coverage and a release date. Reason being wii-u is on par with current consoles so they don't feel threatened. Why should they because when new system launches it usually takes it a year or 2 before games are showing up so each 3rd party game will be on ps3 and xbox360 and sell extremely well with install base getting around 70 million by year's end. I want a new syetem but than i look at 2013 games lineup and there is no way i mean ZERO% chance of xbox720 or ps4 coming out in 2013. Just look at the line. When some of the biggest games are about to release why would either ms or sony rush into a sometime when they cane take the extra year to make sure the launch goes smoothly last of us:new IP Bioshock-i consider it a new IP Gta5 Beyond 2 suld new IP remember me new IP Gears of war judgement tomb raider possibly gt6 possibly mid night club sly 4 god of war army of 2 dead space 3 etc, games,games and more games that's what y'all should expect in 2013 not new systems. And IMO what's the rush when we know the tech different won't be as big as it was from ps2 to ps3. Also almost every game will see release on ps3,xbox360 even after ps4 and xbox720 do come out just because HD graphics and huge install bases
Only 1 major exclusive is left for these 2 years for the 360(halo)There is a very good chance they might come out late 2013(1 or 2 months away from Christmas) and do you really think they would let Nintendo get a 2 year head start?!?!?!Wii-u is coming this year,you do know that right?And there's still less games this year than past 2 years.And if your asking about all this new ip's...there only being released because consumers got bored with the current ip's we have and they think this will fix game sales....games sales have been pretty low in the past years.Gta 5 will come late summer to early fall,halo comes this fall,every game you mentioned comes before December....only 3 new ip's you mentioned also...
Muffins1223 what early start wii-u isn't even next gen its on par with current gen. And if anything ps3 has outsold xbox360 since launch so this head start won't mean much. also when ps3 and xbox360 will still be selling for 250-300 than they are making money and have games
@showtimefolks Though the WiiU may be on par with the PS3/360, it doesn't mean that people won't pick it up. Especially the casual gamers. They'll see it as something new from Nintendo (which it is), and I doubt they care that the tech is "on par" (as you said it) with the PS3/360. There are things done wit the WiiU that warrant it as a next gen system. It is essentially an evolution of the previous system (like PS3/360 are the evolutions of the PS2/Xbox). The leaps and bounds of tech might not be as drastic, but it is still a next gen system.
The only problem with a lot of those games is they only run at 30 FPS. For me having a game run in a faster frame rate is important. The PS3 and 360 big budget games cant do native 720p 60 FPS. COD is sub HD and 60FPS but doesnt look anywhere near as good as The Last of Us. The Wii U's launch titles can do 720p 60 FPS easy and the Zelda demo was confirmed by Reggie to be in 1080p 60 FPS (yes it was in game engine not CGI or a cut scean) So Im most definetly ready for next gen.
Well said your dead right. The WiiU.....??? well to me I can't see it doing very well. The wii sold lots I know but the third party games were crap. A lot of wii owners have moved up to PS3 or 360 already and are happy so nintendo lost a lot of fans.
Don't quite agree for a number of reasons but I will sum it up with a simple example. GTA is about as big as any game could possibly hope to get, the only other games that are on the same sort of level are games like Cod and Halo. GTA San andreas launched June 6th 2005. The xbox 360 launched Nov 2005. If the launch of GTA that year didn't stop the 360 launching, why would any of those games really hold back next gen launching... We are already getting halo 4 this year, so it's not like they need to hold out for another halo game. The ps4 may come out 2014.. maybe, but I very much doubt they will want to hold out like they did before. I think the next gen systems will be shown at E3 or private events around spring / summer time and will then launch winter holiday 2013. when you look at games like dead space 3 and bioshock, they are launching early 2013. even gears of war is looking at a release date early in the year.. so what will be left towards the end of 2013? even if some of them are late 2013, there is no reason some of them wont launch on both this gen and next gen systems, Farcry did it and the first Just Cause launched on both the xbox and 360, it's is possible. MS knows the advantage of launching early, as someone said above, I don't think they will let Nintendo launch that far ahead of them.
PC fanboys are so desperate to become relevant in the gaming industry.
You have no clue.
Console fanboys are ignorant idiots , not calling anyone a fanboy on here on n4g , just saying. Can't wait for the next consoles to come though :)
He is right. Consoles cant have the risks of innovation that an open platform can give. Sucks but true.
Yeah there's a couple of games on the horizon that look pretty good (The Last Of Us looks excellent) on this generation of consoles but besides one or two new IPs there's nothing but sequels. I'm gone passed the stage of boredom with developers releasing the same games over and over again, doing nothing but reskinning the last entry in the series and offering no innovation. I'm personally 100% ready for the next generation. I want to be blown away again just like I was when I first emerged from the prison sewers in Oblivion, or like when I first stepped in to the boots of Marcus Fenix back in 2006, or like when I first experienced the dynamic, breath taking set pieces in Uncharted 2. I think that no matter how good a new game is on either the 360 or PS3 I'm just gonna feel like I've seen it all before.
My kids are still having fun with Xbox360 and PS3 is just getting really good. PS Plus included. I have several PS3 titles on horizon that say otherwise... not to mention whatever M$ has tucked away. Sure are mum lately.
MS probably has their unannounced games tucked away where the sun don't shine.
Another article stating the obvious.
Look at the likes of timesplitters on the older systems, the amount of genuine content in the game puts ALL current gen games to shame. We need a couple of years more with the current gen, push out less of these pretentious games and give more time to polish and release a load more Crash/Spyro/Mario/Timesplitter s <<FUN games, we need to stop this graphics obsession and concentrate on whats really important. Not a single one of the best games ever are considered so because of their graphics.
I think what article means that PC games have become far more competitive by deleviring better graphics and quality. Since the hardware on PC has really progressed from 2005-06 when the consoles came to the scene. I recently purchased an Nvidia 560 GTX Ti Graphics Card and the gaming experience on it is amazing. Yeah I know only the visual part is better, but that's what most people like. My cousin who is an avid PS3 gamer is also looking for purchasing a gaming PC, since the games are cheaper on PC compared to console and given you have good hardware, you get much better graphics. Just play some Skyrim, Crysis 2 or Battlefield 3 maxed out on PC, with no mods they are far ahead of console you can tell that in first look of the game and if you add mod to that. Kaboom!. Plus you get a better personal computer too. @Calm Down Sunshine: the fun was all over when 2D gaming started declining.
Why didn't anyone tell me that I'm not supposed to still be having fun playing with the 360 and PS3? I'm always the last to find out these things :(
YEa! What Gives huh?
Because they don't make as much money on you having fun with the 360/PS3 than having you buying a completely new console with new games, peripherals etc. I still have a huge backlog of great games to go through before I even start looking at next gen consoles. It's always a good thing to wait 1-2 years into the lifecycle anyways.
Yeah considering both MS and Sony sold their consoles at a loss, the best way for them to make money is to take another loss and sell you a console for less than it takes to build... Ms and Sony are still selling consoles,games and accessories. They sale their consoles at a loss at launch after all. How did you even come to the conclusion that they make more at launch than they are now? Because honestly that is the complete opposite of reality
While they take a loss on the system, I am pretty sure they make a few bucks on the peripherals such. Not to mention the money on games that come with the renewed interest with a new system.
[@ Bacon] if consoles made lots of money at launch we would see a new one every few years. Launching a console puts most companies in debt, thats why companies dread a new console cycle but they continue on as not to get left behind and try to add as many new ways to make money on the new console as possible to reap the rewards years later.
Because no one can dictate what you believe is fun, its subjective. If I would just sit down and take the time and give more games a chance, I am sure I would have more fun. However, I am sadly one of the many who have fallen into the horrible behavior of wanting whats next when I have something fantastic in my hands. I am a spoiled gamer.
The main reason I'm frustrated with all this nonsense about jumpstarting the next generation is that, sure, the Wii and 360 have already far surpassed their predecessors, the PS3 still hasn't gotten a library equal to even 1/5th that of the PS2. Not to mention that Sony is still so goddamned far behind on digital PS1 and PS2 release. Before we get a PS4, Sony has to finish what they started on the PS3! And unless they speed things up, that could take 10 more years!
Just a PC guy talking up PC and probably ignoring the downside like every other fanboy on the internet... But he has a point here. The 360 expired years ago and the PS3 probably hit a wall with UC3 or KZ2.
I can't blame for talking up pc. If he was a console guy there would be know day z or career for him. But yeah ps3 games still look great but at the price of only linear games compared to what is available. Hence sony only putting planetside 2 on pc. Can you imagine a 2000 player game with high end graphics on a 64 square kilometer (25 mile) map on ps3? I can't wait for ps4. But besides power what I want the most is more pc/ps cross platform games.
Graphically; Yes. Artistically; No. There still is some maneuverability with the old consoles yet (more specifically the PS3), as long as you have some creative dev's at the helm. Puppeteer, Beyond Two Souls, The Last of Us & Rain are testiment to that. For the big multiplatformers though, it's PC with a 360 controller all the way.
I was replying to IntheLab, who says that the wall has been hit, while games like the Last of Us, Puppeteer etc. prove that graphically it can do more. The Last of Us is (from what we have seen) graphically better than UC3.
Mutli plat? Have you seen these? http://www.youtube.com/watc... http://www.youtube.com/watc... http://www.youtube.com/watc... Rome 2.. Planetside 2. mech warrior online Dota 2 Gui;d Wars 2 PC got games son.
The Last of Us bro. Point successfully invalidated. And if the Last of Us multiplayer is open world like I hope it is, then DayZ might have competition on PS3.
HammadTheOne: How exactly does saying that artistic design on The Last of Us has helped keep it relevant, even though the hardware is showing it's age?
Are very close in terms of power with both having advantages in different areas, the difference being PS3 developers get more time to make there games and have dedicated engines where as the 360 gets third party or updated engines, hell even Halo 4 is an update of the updated reach engine of the updated halo 3 engine :/
people wont like you stating facts!
Huh i thought they built reach with a new engine.
I thought that, they made a pretty big point about it.
Halo 4 runs on the Reach Engine which has been modified so much that it can be classed as a new engine. Think about it, they could easily have built a new engine for a new Halo trilogy but they needed to keep that Halo feeling and so they just revamped the Reach engine
Yep if ps3 is much more powerful than xbox360 why don't their multi platform games look more like the pc versions, most just look exactly like 360 with the same resolution and frame rate.
who cares, im still playing great games to this day, on these "outdated consoles." I'm like, if developers can still make good games for these systems, who cares about a new gen. It's not like this gen's graphics are terrible and people are screaming, "WE WANT MORE REALISTICZ!"
It's not just graphics though. It's better AI, better physics, more on screen NPC, more players per game, new gameplay elements, destruction and mesh changes AND graphic upgrades. That's a next gen leap. If that doesn't sound good to you then I don't know what will :/
It's not just graphics though. It's better AI, better physics, more on screen NPC, more players per game, new gameplay elements, destruction and mesh changes AND graphic upgrades. That's a next gen leap. I totally agree, its not just '1080P AT 60FPS", I am stunned at the lack of vision and imagination among gamers these days.
Buts that different than saying this generation has 'expired' or is at the 'end of its life'. The guy in the article is making it seem like nobody should be making and we shouldn't still be playing 360/PS3 games. Hell, I still play Xbox and PS1, PS2 games. A fun game is a fun game, regardless of how many pixels you can cram online.
Theres a reason why I built my own PC.
"Because your to tight to buy a new one?"
lol or the fact its relatively simple and I saved about £200.
I tend to think gaming would be much more interesting if the next console cycle started when it was supposed to in 2011. We'd be getting more games, new IP's because companies are more willing to take a risk early in a generation, and we'd have better shows like E3, which are becoming so predictable and lackluster. That isn't to say that I'm not still having fun with the current consoles, but the lack of new hardware has called the market to stall and stagnate, hopefully it doesn't cause any long term damage to gaming.
Ps3 owners aint complaining. We got zo many amazing new games plus more to come that were content. You must be a 360 owner.
I own all three consoles currently, enjoy them all to a point right now, but after playing on my 360 since 2005, my PS3 and Wii since 2006, I'm ready for new experiences. I could sit here and debate with you why I feel like a lot of these new games aren't for me or why they have the look and feel of other games, but its best to say, I'll enjoy what I have now, but when new consoles hit, I'm going full tilt next gen. Wii U kicks off next gen for me.
After the first half of 2013 when all the big releases are out only then will I want next-gen to start. So...late 2013 please Sony/MS. E3 2013 will be the big one. Looking forward to it. As Reggie would say..."my body is ready".
but the games are really good, and i don't really care about playing a game at 120fps and 5 trillion pixels on the screen, i just care about if the games are good.
Again it's not just graphics. More enemies smarter AI better destruction etc. it would make the games coming out now even better, run better and look better.
smarter AI is only there when devs want smarter AI, why would there need to be smart AI in a game like saints row which is silly and fun,destruction only a few games need that, more enemies games that need a lot of enemies has a lot of enemies,when i was playing vanquish i never thought you know what there needs to be more,i just play a game to play a game, i don't think about changes cause i want it to be the devs game not a game made by me, but most games run great and look great, let's just enjoy what we have instead of asking for something a tiny bit better. i don't know how i write so much =/
@ASG That sounds nice but to think that devs are going to use the power for anything other then graphics is being a bit naive imo. All you have to do is look at games this gen for proof of this. Skyrim looks great but plays like shit and wins top honors, while a game like Dragon's Dogma looks good but plays great and it hardly gets a mention. Same hardware, same theme, two very different games though. The devs that put gameplay over graphics are far and between so while we will get games that include improved gameplay, most games next gen will play the same as this gen but with better pixels, I think. I hope I'm wrong, really I do as I'm tired of playing games that my character can't perform the most basic of movements like sprinting, jumping, dodging(evade) and things of the like. While i like great graphics like the next gamer I love great gameplay more. I think when gamers say there is no need for next gen yet I think they are saying that graphics are good enough this gen and it's only in these stages of a gen that gameplay becomes the focus. You won't get that focus early on next gen and devs will no longer be interested in anything this gen and we start the graphic cycle all over again.
This sh!t again?
Yeah, the current console generation is nearing it's inevitable end. But still, that doesn't change the fact that DayZ or Arma2 doesn't really offer anything that would be impossible on consoles. Open world games, tactical shooters, rpg elements or zombies are nothing new on consoles. Arma2 engine is a resource hungry mess tough.. so no wonder why the game is not on consoles. Hopefully they have managed to fix most of the problems with the upcoming Arma3 and it's engine.
Which game on consoles has a comparably sized open world in which a decent number of players can simultaneously play online? O.o I don't think the idea is impossible, but I can't think of any game on console that does that. The Arma engine is a bloody mess though. Unoptimized, buggy and stiff animations. I'm surprised people are willing to put up with it to play DayZ.
there are more then a few... Xbox1 had a game with 64 players... it's server based... P2P computers are not going to support much more then what consoles do
Well one that fits your bill would be the MMO DC universe. For my understanding the game has pretty large open world and as for the player count, the MMO pretty much sums it up. Few good mentions could be M.A.G (256 players) and possibly GTA IV. As for just the Map size, Just Cause 2 is pretty stunning on consoles. Too bad there's no official multiplayer.
Yet these two dated consoles outsell PC games any day of the week. Try harder. Obviously nobody cares about the specs of the console otherwise the Wii wouldn't be in the 1st spot as of now. Beyond Two Souls too me seems to be doing some insane things on these dated consoles.