Destructoid: Continuing on from the argument that one can love games as art but hate them as a business, Jimquisition this week focuses on how gamers can best express their distaste for the latter while still supporting the former.
Unfortunately it's true.
Thing is though, even though "whining" works it still frowned upon by so many gamers....it' not really "whining" really it's just voicing your opinion on something but the thing is people who like where a game is heading or those who think it wont make a difference to voice their opinion scared because they don't want to be called a "whiner" call people who o voice their opinions worse then sh*t. If no one complained in this industry Cole would of looked totally differn't in inFAMOUS 2 with that horrile design, ME3 would of still kept the crappy ending even though the new one was still kind of crappy anyway and the nun thing in Hitman which looked totaly out of place wouldn't be getting a backstory (YEAH MORE CONTENT). I wish people would just join in though and not be scared of peoples opinons. I mean it dosen't work all the time, this really only effets big publishers like EA/Activision who won't realises the money going missing but if we take the terrible looking DmC reboot for example not buying the game WILL makea difference, even buying it a few weeks after launch or renting if you want to try it will hurt them and Capcom still. Since after Heavenly Sword not making a lot of money and Enslaved...this is NT last chance in a way so not buying it will matter here. Although voicing out opinion on the new Dante hasn't really changed a thing since they are so arrgoant anyway and since is mostly about the game in general not like they can give it and change everything since they are so far into deelopment. I hope DmC and RE6 get the low scores they deserve though, I want more favorite franchises back...voicing your opinion on them dosen't seem to do anything. Capcom are a stubborn bunch I'll give them that.
"I hope DmC and RE6 get the low scores they deserve though, I want more favorite franchises back...voicing your opinion on them dosen't seem to do anything." That's because that isn't a valid opinion. You're suggesting those games get low scores prior to even playing them. Infamous 2 was actually a good game and if you're so vain to write the game off because Cole looks different then perhaps you should re-evaluate your priorities. There's a voice of reason and then there's a voice of stupidity.
Who says I'm writting inFAMOUS 2 off, I never said thsat, if you actually read my post I was using the whole thing surrounding his look as an example....his look was changed anyway so why would I bet upset about it Please read comments before you reply to them
"Who says I'm writting inFAMOUS 2 off, I never said thsat," Yes you did. You alluded to that if people didn't say anything about Cole, that he would have looked totally different. Which implies that you would have taken the same reaction you are now with Resident Evil 6 and DMC. The look of the character should be low on your list of worries while how the game plays should be at the top of your list. "if you actually read my post I was using the whole thing surrounding his look as an example....his look was changed anyway so why would I bet upset about it" The real question is why are you writing off Resident Evil 6 and DMC without hands on experience? Ever heard of the saying 'you can't judge a book by its cover'? Like i said, there is a voice of reason and a voice of stupidity. To suggest those games get low scores based entirely on previews is not an informed opinion, nor does it serve any purpose other than your own narrow-minded point of view. If you don't like the direction they are going that's one thing but to suggest they get low scores means you don't want anyone to look forward to it and have already written off both games before actually trying them. If they get high scores or low scores what difference does it make if you don't want them? Your opinion should be your own, not one that tries to speak on behalf of everyone elses.
Well like I said empty vessels make the most noise and no matter how much you yell boycott no one is really going to listen to you especially if it a game they really want. They only boycott when it is a game they are not sure of or if it belongs to a lesser developer. @ MikeCosgrove . Very fine line between whining and complaining. Most gamers don't even know the difference.The way Dante looks makes no difference in the game at all. The way RE6 PLAYS changes the game completely. That is two different things. How Cole and how Dante looked or sound does not change gameplay, content, length or stability in the least. Less survival horror,more gunplay and regenerating health changes RE6's gameplay completely.If someone wrote a comic and gave the character longer hair, new shoes and shirt and a deeper voice but the story, content and scene remained the same you would stop reading it because of that?
"The way Dante looks makes no difference in the game at all" <sigh> You seem to be the type of people who think it's still about the looks. This alone makes your whole comment loose all it's meaning since you don't know what your talking about when it comes to the argument thats been going on about the new dmc. "Very fine line between whining and complaining" If you actually watched Jims video you can see that he talks about them being the same when voicing an opinion.
"The way Dante looks makes no difference in the game at all." If you don't like the look of the character you're using throughout the game, it impacts your enjoyment of the game. OT: The problem here are the apologisers. People who will devalue the opinions of others saying they are "whining" about nothing and thus making it impossible for people to feel comfortable voicing their opinions. Then there are those people who really are whining for nothing or just to be part of the choir. Those people make legitimate complaints impossible to take seriously. DmC for example. People have been complaining that the gameplay is too slow, the framerate is too low, the game doesn't have a Devil May Cry feel to it, the characters are all wrong, etc. But the apologisers have relegated all complaints to "you're still complaining about Dante's hair?" That's what is seen thanks to those enablers of bad choices. That's what Capcom sees and thus that is why all legitimate complaints are dismissed.
I agree with you there. The thing is most of the apologists I've seen are people who never gave a damn about the series until recently. A game garners hate and the internet, being the cesspool that it is, brings people who just exist to piss off others from the safety of their own homes. I'm not ignorant to believe that trolls flock one to just one side however, the hatredmongers fuels both sides for the simple fact that they get off on the rage.
Did he just rip-off Razorfist's review style? And by that I mean did he show images in metaphor to what he was saying, and did so poorly for the first part of this video.
Razorfist is a rip-off of Yahtzee.
He's one to talk...
Another article designed to make us fight each other.
Its so true what he says, So called core gamers complaining about there not being enough core games and then when a good skill based multiplayer like War for Cybertron is released they sweep it under the rug and go on complaining that everything is dumbed down and easier. What do they want from businesses if they dont support the few developers that are still trying ot make games for the core audience?
This is true. That's why i laugh at those who cannot distinguish the product from the name/brand. If you don't like Call Of Duty and how Activision milks it then don't buy it but don't have that same attitude towards game like Transformers. I don't go "i hate Microsoft so therefore i'm not going to buy Forza". I play games to have fun, not meddle with things like "oh Bobby Kotick only cares about money so i don't want to make him richer, therefore i don't want to play those games his company publishes". No, i will support products i think are good and just because Activision writes the checks doesn't mean all the workers are the same.
You can hate Microsoft and decide not to buy Forza because it would help to fill Microsoft's coffers; that makes sense, as who wants to contribute to the continued existence or prosperity of someone or something they hate? I think what you mean is that you shouldn't turn your hatred of one thing into a blanket hatred of all related things. If so, I agree with that. For example, contrary to YOUR belief- and a few others- I don't hate everything related to Microsoft. I dislike their approach to gaming, and prefer the approach of their nearest competitor. But I don't hate Gears, Halo, Forza, Fable, or any of the other games associated with them. I don't even hate the Kinect, but rather what it stands for: the casualization of Microsoft, and of gaming, in general. It's pointless to say "I hate Capcom," and then go out and buy Street Fighter. Your actions have betrayed you. You don't have to hate Street Fighter, necessarily, but it does you little good to hate Capcom if you're going to give them money by buying their games. In the case of Call of Duty and Mass Effect, I think the most vocal were those who are/were fans of those franchises. DragonKnight brings up the excellent point that many who complain actually care nothing for a game or franchise, and that they and those who dismiss all complaints as irrelevant- the hot term these days is "self-entitled"- invalidate legitimate issues a fanbase or group of prospective buyers(and fans of a franchise should always be considered this) may have. I wish you and others would see that having a preference for Sony and at the same time disliking Microsoft doesn't make me a fanboy. That I have legitimate reasons for both, that it's not just me blindly being in one camp or another. I've had a lot of fun on Xbox and 360 over the years, even if I've not owned either, and I've no desire to see Microsoft or anyone fail in the industry. But I'm also passionate- and vocally so- about gaming, a hobby I spend a helluva lot of money on. And I have no problems voicing my pleasure or displeasure what what happens in the industry that drives one of my favorite hobbies. I'm not neutral- I don't think anyone SHOULD be, honestly, as there HAVE to be things you prefer and dislike in every company involved- but nor do I have a disproportionate amount of hatred towards any company. (I definitely don't like Capcom, but if they were to make a new Breath of Fire or Rival Schools, they'd get my money.) I won't be holding my breath, though.
@Hicken Thats a very stupid argument. I dont see how someone can hate a game publisher over a few games they dislike, I dont buy a majority of EA products because they dont appeal to me and they are simplified games aimed at a wider audience which I find easy to play and they offer up no skill based or intellect based challenges. BUt if EA come out and release a deep experience that is rewarding il buy it. You vote with your wallet and when all the wallets vote for accessible trimmed down games that is what you get. Boycotting and sitting on the side doing nothing does exactly that. If "core" gamers would only support core products there would be a financial reason to manufacture more core products but when they dont sell well and casual games do what reason does a business have to keep producing these core titles?
@Zha1tan I haven't bought an Activision or Capcom game in a few years. I complain from time to time, but I'm not overly vocal about the whole thing. Publishers don't care about complaining, they care about selling the product, so I just don't buy. Do I encourage others to do the same? Absolutely not, if they want to support the companies and buy their games, I am not going to stop them or discourage them but, for me, business practices that Activision and Capcom follow bother me, so I want nothing to do with them. EA might be next to that list due to their handling of some fantastic IPs. Will I buy Activision and Capcom games if they change their model? Of course, but until then, if I miss out on a game or two, that's just tough, I'd rather miss out on a few games than say "what you're doing is OK by me" which is what complaining then purchasing a product amounts to.
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