Sony's PS3 is in the Pricing Danger Zone

After doing some analysis of historical console sales and pricing, effectu.com states it has become clear that the price of the Playstation 3 may have crossed over a very dangerous line. Basically, in the past, any console over $400 tanked. By far, the most success has come to consoles in the $190 to $300 range. Obviously there is inflation, but the cost of electronics has continuously declined over time, so console prices have remained fairly consistent. The question is will the price of the PS3 hinder its sales?

[USMChardcharger]

no surprise, but NES was smoking everyone back in the day.

*you have to click on the story to see the charts that i am talking about*

[THE TRUTH]

any console over 300$ (according to this article) will be doomed. So will that mean that both sony and MS will fall to nintendo. News like this means nothing to me. Its who delievers the games people want most. People will pay the price as long as they know they will be getting what they want.

[REDMOND BOYZZ]

No it means Sony's doomed. I started with the core and upgraded. (((People will pay the price as long as they know they will be getting what they want.))) not true!, the bulk of Sony's base are kids and it's only commen sense that most parents have the take it!! or leave it mind set, And will go with what's cheaper. Kids will be harping on their moms and dad so much they will have to ask the difference in all the console's, games ect, this is the momment
Sony will be in a world of trouble. Their's alot of people that will buy the $300 360 core and just play games and will not need or buy a HD or use online ect. $200 cheaper than PS3 core, nice try.

[THE TRUTH]

So your telling me that from the article you got sony is doomed? Even when MS is above the price point too? Where's the logic in that?

How does "I started with the core and upgraded." support your claim. Sounds like you just hate sony and will say anything to let that be heard. It's fine if you do but at least give us a reason why.

If you did buy the core 360 and fully upgraded that would cost you more than the 400$ premium and put you and Ms in the doom...

Btw this article means nothing in regards to who will win this generations console war. It's biased against Sony or it would read that both Ps3 and 360 are doomed. Nice try with another useless news update from sony haters.

[The BS Police]

Both Sony and Microsoft are gonna own the North American and European Markets but Nintendo will just own the Japanese market... thats my prediction.

[Jay da 2KBalla]

They said consoles over 400 not 300 so just sony is doomed. "Basically, in the past, any console over $400 tanked." Also just because the article is stating facts about price doesnt make it biased against sony. And once again more negative news about the ps3. hmmmmmmmm

[THE TRUTH]

They said consoles over 400 not 300 so just sony is doomed. "Basically, in the past, any console over $400 tanked." Also just because the article is stating facts about price doesnt make it biased against sony. And once again more negative news about the ps3. hmmmmmmmm

First your statment taken from the article starts off with "basiclly" meaning its not a fact. Furthermore them saying any console over 400$ then in the charts it shows over 300$ (check it out) meaning any console over 300$ has tanked. Thats why I said what I said, because they seem to say one thing but the info they show to support it contradicts..........

[Jay da 2KBalla]

Well you should have said they contradicted each other instead of saying the 300 mark. And basically doesnt automatically mean it isnt a fact so I dont kno what you are talking about

[THE TRUTH]

ja- you never know what I am talking about lol, just read it again or call someone next to you so they can explain it.

[Jay da 2KBalla]

You just stop saying one thing and then another and then maybe just maybe you will actually have made some sense with one of your posts. Just a thought ^_^

[REDMOND BOYZZ]

I was talking to some Sony fan and he said PS3 was not expensive because of inflation ect. If you're going to have expensive hardware in a gaming console; it better be mostly for gaming. A $300 dollar price jump in 5 1/2 years is crazzy. flamer's STFU

[THE TRUTH]

So you bought a core 360 then fully upgraded it, so it cost you more than 400$. Now you say "A $300 dollar price jump in 5 1/2 years is crazzy. flamer's STFU" Need I say anymore?

[Jay da 2KBalla]

you make no sense.

[REDMOND BOYZZ]

Need you say anymore? no please don't. I thought i would hate XBL, so i got the core system, played it and soon i loved it, so i upgraded i have a choice that matches my needs, how can you not understand that.???????????

[THE TRUTH]

"A $300 dollar price jump in 5 1/2 years is crazzy. flamer's STFU"

The agrument you make about the price yet you spent more and pushed it into the "doom" area. So in relality you make no arguement, at least not one that your actions haven't proved differently.....
"i have a choice that matches my needs, how can you not understand that.???????????"
I understand that fully, so why do you hate on sony for trying to give the gamers their needs?

"the bulk of Sony's base are kids and it's only commen sense that most parents have the take it!!" You have zero facts to support this and honestly every PS2 owner I know is not a child, in my opinion I beleive parents seem to choose gamcube for there children (for example I bought my nephew a gamecube he's 7)

"Sony will be in a world of trouble. Their's alot of people that will buy the $300 360 core and just play games and will not need or buy a HD or use online ect. $200 cheaper than PS3 core, nice try." Again, no facts just stupid fandoy talk, this will be my last response to you becuase thus far you make no contributions or statements that bring any valule to yourself or this (ps3) site. It's pointless agruing with someone like yourself enjoy your 360 It's a great system I just hope they get more support in the games.

[Jay da 2KBalla]

"the bulk of Sony's base are kids and it's only commen sense that most parents have the take it!!" You have zero facts to support this and honestly every PS2 owner I know is not a child, in my opinion I beleive parents seem to choose gamcube for there children (for example I bought my nephew a gamecube he's 7)

That is the ps2 owners that YOU know. so your counter argument doesnt hold water. Sry

"I understand that fully, so why do you hate on sony for trying to give the gamers their needs?" How is he doing that? hmm

[THE TRUTH]

That is the ps2 owners that YOU know. so your counter argument doesnt hold water. Sry

which is why I made it my opinion not a fact .....here read it again but focus on where I said my opinion....You have zero facts to support this and honestly every PS2 owner I know is not a child, in my opinion I beleive parents seem to choose gamcube for there children (for example I bought my nephew a gamecube he's 7)

"I understand that fully, so why do you hate on sony for trying to give the gamers their needs?" How is he doing that? hmm
Obviously you havent read any of his post, do some research them come back here and chat with me ok. Your site username says it all, but just so you know I'm not pro sony, pro MS or pro nintendo I'm in for the games period!

Dont try and post "I don't understand you" or "your making no sense" you just dont like my views so be a man and say that!

[Jay da 2KBalla]

You just dont make no sense whatsoever. How about you pay attention closely.
"You have zero facts to support this and honestly every PS2 owner I know is not a child, in my opinion I beleive parents seem to choose gamcube for there children (for example I bought my nephew a gamecube he's 7)"
First of all this is contradicting and irrelevant. You said that every ps2 owner you know isnt a child and in your opinion parents buy gamecubes for kids yet you start that paragraph by saying "you have zero facts to support this" yet everything you just said WASNT a fact. For somebody who hates ppl to present info without any facts you sure like to do it.

Well I'm not about to research what ppl have said but in that post he didnt hate on sony for that and THAT POST is what we are talking about. you need to learn how to stay on subject

[THE TRUTH]

First of all this is contradicting and irrelevant. You said that every ps2 owner you know isnt a child and in your opinion parents buy gamecubes for kids yet you start that paragraph by saying "you have zero facts to support this" yet everything you just said WASNT a fact. For somebody who hates ppl to present info without any facts you sure like to do it.

I never stated any facts at all, I just said my personal experiences and opinions .

[shotty]

Agree, there are so much people in this world that just want to play games. No High Def, no Online play, No demos, just games and for them is what the xbox 360 core is made for. I know because my cousin is one of them, I thought it was a mistake for him to get the core but after a month I notice he never used any of the functions that the premium offers. All he needed was a system to play next gen games, he doesn't even know what HD is. He had an xbox 1 and play Halo alot and now he got the xbox 360 to play xbox 360 games. I guess these are the people that account for the 40% of xbox 360 gamers that are not on live. There is no shame in this, gaming is a vague term. People want to play games different ways and that's why the xbox 360 is great it delivers on that. If my cousin decides he wants demos he can buy a harddrive, if he gets an HDTV he can buy HD cables its all optional and can be fully upgraded to match the premium only exception is the core doesn't have the chrome trim.

[Jay da 2KBalla]

He stated his opinion about the bulk of ps2 users yet he had no facts and in your counter argument you also didnt state any facts yet you try to belittle what he says by saying that he has no facts to support what he says well guess what neither did you. Thats what I meant by you contradicting.

And shotty I agree.

[Schmitty07]

Everyone is saying this is the end for Sony, but I'm sure Sony will do fine this generation. I want Sony, Microsoft, and Nintendo to stay because more competition means more quality for us gamers.

[Jay da 2KBalla]

hmm

[joemutt]

I do not make enough money to spend $460, (premium360+1game). If I did I couldnt pay one of my bills. So I spent $299, a month later, I bought the HD, when I felt I could afford it. I now have everything I need for Next Gen gaming, added up, yeah, I spent almost what a low-end PS3 would cost, almost. But anyone paying the bills knows you live month to month. It isnt as bad to pay a little at a time.

I also have no HDTV, neither do most people, so I dont need to buy a HD-DVD, wow! that saved me $200, thats $200 I can spend somewhere else, thanks for giving us a choice MS!

I could afford a PS3, if I put it on layaway, but then I dont get to play it while I am paying for it. Buying the cheap 360, I got to play while I waited to upgrade.

In the end I never payed more than $300 for a 360, but would have to pay no less than $500 for a PS3, just cant do it.

I dont want Blu-Ray

I dont want HDMI

I dont want 1080P

I just want to play games.

[Jay da 2KBalla]

Well said. I feel the same way except I would have just bought the premium.

[THE TRUTH]

well you seem to be able to understand fine as long as it's 360 fanboy talk right..... hmmmmm maybe your on the wrong newssite....

[Jay da 2KBalla]

So what you are implying is that i cant understand ps3 fanboy talk which is what you speak and you are right I cant but not everyone here speaks in sony fanboy talk. The only ones are you SSJ, and achira, so I dont care because there are other gamers on this site post gamer talk like myself. And what he said isnt fanboy talk. You need to get your mind right. Fa real.

[THE TRUTH]

Achira that was one of the dumbest posts I have ever seen and it made you look retarded.

why do you call everyone (pro sony) dumb or idiotic for thier beliefs, views or opinions. I dont see why everyone who supports sony seems so idiotic to you.

Nice system for 500 bucks. lol super fanboy statement lmao For someone that calls people fanboys you are a true definition of one

Anyone can say the same about you........

so I dont care because there are other gamers on this site post gamer talk like myself. And what he said isnt fanboy talk. You need to get your mind right. Fa real.

You haven't posted any real gamer talk whatsoever. Anyone who thinks he has please speak up ^^^

I need to get my mind right...... I think you are going off the deep end man, you need to hold up a mirror. For someone who calls themselves a "real gamer" you need to leave out the "real" because anyone as one-side as you can NEVER be real.

[Jay da 2KBalla]

that post wasnt pro sony it was anti microsoft and he called people poor just because they dont want the ps3 and he called the 360 a piece of crap and he said the console was a piece of sh*t if I recall. Last time I checked that is called bashing which only fanboys do. And no one can call me a super fanboy. I havent made not one post like the one achira made. A natzee if I'm such a fanboy show me one post that I have made in these forums that said ps3 is a piece of crap and dont buy it and you are fools if you do. Guess what? you cant. You just mad cuz I challenge damn near everything and I do it with intellect and class and even a joke or two(SSJ alert lol) but forget all that now I thought you were a sony fanboy with some sense so that I could intelligent arguments with but you are just another idiot sony fanboy. You think I have gone off the deep end? well I think you have gone and jumped on achiras nuts because you are trying your hardest to defend him for no apparent reason and I find it odd and even a bit contradicting that you defend someone who does things you claim dont like: bashing, not providing facts or reasoning to back up his statements. Sigh and I thought you wanted to only argue about the subject at hand. hmmmmmmmmmm so sad

[Gamer God]

I will not spend the amount of money they want for this system. Who cares about Blu-Ray, its just a cool sounding title. It will be slow, somewhere around 1X speed. All i want to do is game. They put to much into it and now will suffer what ever ill effects come. People will buy it of course I'm not saying not to, just in my opinion it's really to high.

[achira]

pooooor xbot fans. you cant afford you a ps3 ??? than go look for a job and earn your money. but its obviously you talk sh!t. if you can pay 400 bucks for poor crap and perhaps 100 bucks for crap games, than you can afford you a nice system for 500 bucks. but you are fanboys. to say its expensive is bs, because you have spend far more money on sh!t. ps3 will come and will kill all xrats!!!! go to mama and ask for money xrats!!! ps3 4 ever (this post is a little extreme, but i think anyone should answer to this bs xrats are talking of).

[The BS Police]

Honestly you guys are being a hypocrite, You B*tch at someone who buys an XBOX 360 and when they clearly state they are trying to save up money for a PS3 you still flame them!

Maybe you should learn to grow up because unlike you we pay Taxes and Bills!

[Jay da 2KBalla]

Achira that was one of the dumbest posts I have ever seen and it made you look retarded.

"400 bucks for poor crap and perhaps 100 bucks for crap games, than you can afford you a nice system for 500 bucks. but you are fanboys."

Just because you dont like the 360 doesnt make it poor crap and there are about 6 million ppl who will tell you the same as they are playing there consoles. 100 dollars for games? Um 60 dollars for games, sum are 40 and sum are 70 with the collectors edition. With the costs of blu-ray it has already been reported that ps3 games are costing more in the UK and will probably be the same everywhere else. So it actually seems like you will be the one paying 100 dollars for crap launch games lol.

Nice system for 500 bucks. lol super fanboy statement lmao For someone that calls people fanboys you are a true definition of one.

[shotty]

achira, we need idiots like you in the world for it to exist. People like you dumb money into our economy. Think of it like Tax on the stupied. We need $ony there so companies like Microsoft and Nintendo don't get lazy and it motivates them to strive for perfection. $ony even said that they are building a PC and the ps3 should be considered a PC. Huge mistake, it will get crushed in the PC market. Who honestly wants a computer with 256MB of ram, am I able to hook my printer to print stuff, can I type up work on it, can I go on MSN and instal third party programs that make Windows PC great or can I even play PC games. Honestly ps3 looks even $hitter as the days go by, it's constantly getting bashed by its own creators. They keep saying Oh there not in it for marketshare and this and that. Sony is done, its going to be their last console and you sony fans enjoy what you have. I don't think you sony people know that they are forcing you to buy blue-ray players, if Microsoft did it with Vista they would get sued the hell out of. They use PS3 owners are pawns to try out there blu-ray players and try to populate the world with them because it's the only way it would sell. When comparing HD-DVD to Blu-ray, hd-dvd has every advantage except for size. But when compared to how much video that can be held HD-DVD is the winner due to it's use of better encoders developed by Microsoft. HD-DVD is out and it looks amazing, Computers drives are about to ship and come this fall the drives for the x360 are out.

[THE TRUTH]

$ony even said that they are building a PC and the ps3 should be considered a PC. Huge mistake,-------

Sony said the same for ps2 which was called a "computer entertainment system" its a well know fact PS2 dominated.

People like you dumb money into our economy. Think of it like Tax on the stupied. We need $ony there so companies like Microsoft and Nintendo don't get lazy and it motivates them to strive for perfection. **well there are 100 million+ PS2 users how can you say all of them are dumb? No way that one person can say they even know one million people that personally to call them all dumb.

If sony is motavating these company's to perfection what the hell is taking them so long to get there? Seems to me that sony is far more close to perfection than nintendo or MS. Sony is going for it's 3-peat while nintendo and MS are both looking up reaching for the crown.

They use PS3 owners are pawns to try out there blu-ray players and try to populate the world with them because it's the only way it would sell. When comparing HD-DVD to Blu-ray, hd-dvd has every advantage except for size. But when compared to how much video that can be held HD-DVD is the winner due to it's use of better encoders developed by Microsoft. HD-DVD is out and it looks amazing, Computers drives are about to ship and come this fall the drives for the x360 are out.

Thank you for your opinions but based on your previous statements why would anyone believe one word you say? There is always those people who hate change but companies who know how to be successful are forced to think to the future and continually evolve, thats why they are called "trend-setters"
+++*****++++btw I have a question for 360 owners.. are you going to be buying the HD DVD addon?+++****++++

[Jay da 2KBalla]

sumnatzee to answer your last sentence

Does it matter and who cares who does and who doesnt really?

"If sony is motavating these company's to perfection what the hell is taking them so long to get there? Seems to me that sony is far more close to perfection than nintendo or MS. Sony is going for it's 3-peat while nintendo and MS are both looking up reaching for the crown. There is always those people who hate change but companies who know how to be successful are forced to think to the future and continually evolve, thats why they are called "trend-setters" "

And funny I see no facts to back that up but here are a few of mine.

You say sony is the closest to perfection and they are trend setters yet:

they copied nintendos wii or technically from microsoft, they plan on copying live, they copied the hard drive idea from microsoft, the 2 sku idea from microsoft and worldwide launch idea from micrsoft even though they criticized microsoft for both, and the 802.11b wireless reciever from mcrosoft.

So if sony is the closest to perfection why are they copying features from their "inferior" competitors. Seems to me that Microsoft is the superior one and sony is catching up by copying.

[TheMART]

spend 500 dollars and then have a BetaBluRay player and not being able to use it on full resolution. That's dull. So you are simply FORCED to take the 600 dollar one. It's impossible to upgrade the 500 dollar one with a HDMI port later one. That s*cks

Furthermore, the BetaRay player won't be of high quality. Just look the PS2 DVD player. It was very lame and most went totally kaput. What do you expect when a standalone BR costs more then 1.200 dollar and the PS3 with BR and to be able to play some games on top of BetaRay video's you'll pay 600... Imagine the quality...

I rest my case with this line up of Sony's succes on Media:

-Betamax
-Minidisc
-UMD

and now:

-BetaBluRay
-PS3 the great videoplayer with no important exclusives. GTA4 the nr. one franchise on PS, also on 360. Assassin's Creed maybe only few months timed exclusive and then...

[THE TRUTH]

-PS3 the great videoplayer with no important exclusives

Ummm MGS4 DMC4 FF XIII Heavenly Sword

I rest my case with this line up of Sony's succes on Media:

-Betamax
-Minidisc
-UMD

ummm has nothing to do with Blu Ray, but PS one useds CD's (success) PS2 used DvD's (success) PS3 uses Blu-ray still remains to be seen.

Furthermore, the BetaRay player won't be of high quality. Just look the PS2 DVD player. It was very lame and most went totally kaput. What do you expect when a standalone BR costs more then 1.200 dollar and the PS3 with BR and to be able to play some games on top of BetaRay video's you'll pay 600... Imagine the quality...

You seem to make alot of asumptions, no one knows the quality of blu ray player but I would think sony won't put a P.O.S. one in just based on whats at stake this generation.

It's impossible to upgrade the 500 dollar one with a HDMI port later one. That s*cks
Did sony say this?

[TheMART]

"ummm has nothing to do with Blu Ray, but PS one useds CD's (success) PS2 used DvD's (success) PS3 uses Blu-ray still remains to be seen."

Uhm PS1 CD drive was invention of Philips, not Sony. DVD was it successor by Philips, not Sony. Those two were already on the market and accepted as a standard which is different to Blu Ray. Blu Ray is Sony's product, as I stated like Betamax, Minidisc, UMD

[pRo loGic II]

-Betamax
-Minidisc
-UMD, Has nothing to do with Blu-ray. lol

[THE TRUTH]

-betamax-- not used in consoles
-Minidisc-- not used in consoles
UMD-- used in a portable console which is a different animal compared to a regualr console.

**btw I have a psp and UMD games play great and have high quaility sound, I'm really impressed with the PSP, even though I have only owned one for 2 months, I own GTA Stories, Monster Hunter and DBZ Shin Buk. and they are all great)

[TheMART]

It was to illustrate which technology was Sony's invention/license on mediapart, like music or video which all these are. They all failed, music and videoformats. Just because they were to expensive to license.

The CD/DVD was Philips invention.

So the line-up:

-Betamax
-Minidisc
-UMD (Sumnaztee, it can be great in your opinion, but they don't sell good)

it all failed big time. Sony just seems to want to make too much money on licenses and so on.

With BetaBluRay they try to push it again by giving consumers no choice if they put it in their gameconsole or not. It's just: it's in there and you pay a lot of money for it. And then you'll get the PS2 DVD sh*tty quality. Well that's great. NOT

[THE TRUTH]

UMD (Sumnaztee, it can be great in your opinion, but they don't sell good)

it all failed big time: I agree they did, as far as movies they were way overpriced.

And then you'll get the PS2 DVD sh*tty quality. Well that's great. NOT

No one knows the quality of the Blu ray drive, Let's just wait and see what sony puts out.

-betamax-- not used in consoles
-Minidisc-- not used in consoles
UMD-- used in a portable console which is a different animal compared to a regualr console

my point was---- that the format sony uses in CONSOLES has been great, not only great but have been THEE standard of each generation they have been in thus far....... Blu Ray dominance or failure remains to be seen but Sony has a great track record thus far

[jiggajayp]

It`s gonna fail because of the price alone!!! why buy a $600 PS3 when you can have an XBOX360 with mostly all the same big name titles with a better graphics GPU by ATI and still have $200 left over for games and an extra controller? Sony will bite the bullet on this one!! Only die hard fans are gonna buy it at that price!!

[CHEETO]

NOW I KNOW WHY THEY SAY TO BUY A X360 AND A Wii. DAM THATS HOW MUCH THE PS3 IS GONNA COST?? IF THATS TRUE THEN SOME PEOPLE ARE GONNA BE PAYIN ALOT P$3+GAMES+CONTROLLERS+TAXES= $$BANK$$

[Islandkiwi]

...it's a financial analysis. Don't take it so personal, what they're saying is really obvious.

"The PS3 costs a lot. That may affect sales."

What are you arguing about, anyway? You may as well say fire is hot.

[THELANDSOFSAND]

All I know is that my brother-in-law is a HUGE sony fan. he's 17 and has a a job and he lives and dies for playing PS2. Needless to say he want's a PS3 extremely badly, but he can't afford a console for more than $300. So he now comes and plays my 360 whenever he can and is planning on buying one.

He represents A LOT of current PS2 fans, millions of them- that is the problem with the $600 price tag. And what console do you think all these people will buy with their hard earned birthday and christmas money?

A $299 360! (or a wii if they can get hold of one this christmas after the japanese buy them all)

[TheMART]

You are right. The main audience of playstation is not a large group of working adults, it's the parents of young kids that buy them or just teenagers with lack of money.

[TheMART]

I am really wondering, they could also cut the HDMI port on the expensive PS3 of 600 dollars/euro's because untill 2012 there won't be real HD output... Read this interesting article.

http://editorials.teamxbox....

That makes the Blu Ray player on it's one already useless. Cutting the HDMI port further cut costs.

[Master of Menace]

Check the story on the most wanted console in the UK. That Poll suggests people are not worried about the price of the PS3. Redmond's comments at 2.1, are so incredibly wrong. The bulk of PS2 owners are kids? That might be true for Gamecube. But ask anyone and you'll find the average gamer is over 25 years old. Games are not just for kids anymore. The PS3 is within the reach of every average gamer. Those charts are nothing but history. There has never been a console with a user base of 101 million before. And people will want to upgrade from PS2. So there is no evidence to say the higher price will effect sales. We just have to wait and see. Won't be real HD until 2012, wake up, you can get it now! Even my DVD player can run progressive scan at 625 lines. And that is considered High Defintion.

[TheMART]

Exact!

625p and that will stay that way. That's nowhere near 1080p which should use the new media's GB's. In this case, 1280x720 - 720p is enough. That's why MS with the 360 didn't take the marketingbull of 1080p as Sony did. And that's exactly also why one doesn't need a BetaRay player which drives costs up.

It's even to be seen if next gen media storage in the disc version is nescessary, I think in a few years it's all streamed, games, video, HD content we just need large HDD's

I don't think the average gamer of the PS2 is 25 years old. There are really a lot sold as Christmas gifts from parents to kids. The PS3 might be in the reach of gamers, so the 360 is even more in reach. Even better, 200 dollars/euro's to spend on extra controller(s) and games. With 600 dollars/euro's you ain't there. With an extra controller and three games, you will pay around 850 Euro's or so. And that is an awfull lot of money. Grown up people have grown up bills also, like mortgage and other stuff that come back every month.

[gnothe1]

I want a ps3 an CAN afford one but!!I dont want to spend 600 dollars for a system then buy 1 or 2 games, then an extra controller so the wife can play, its gonna cost alot of money for that, plus its to close to x-mas, my 3 kids want gifts also.what kills me is the people that say im gonna wait for the price to come down!! well... how long do you think thats gonna take, you might be without a system for about 2 years, an even then it might be 400.I dont think well ever see the 149 price point on this one.ok back to what I was saying, I can afford it but DONT WANNA afford it.

[Master of Menace]

Adults were kids too once Mart. And how long has gaming been around for? Nearly 30 years. Yes, 30 years ago, mostly kids were playing games. Now they are adults playing games. You talk like gaming came around just yesterday. I am 36, I play games, all my friends play games, and no I am not playing with kids. Gaming is growing and it's not because of kids. A good example of this are the ratings. More and more games are MA or R. As for HD. The DVD I spoke of was just an example. The example was to show that DVD players can play in HD. My TV (and nearly all new TV's) can play up to 1080i, so I want a Blu-ray player, beacause games and movies will look even better on my TV. The fact that PS3 can play 1080p, just shows you it is future proof. And will be ready for new TV's that will have it. 1080i is going to look fantastic anyway. The fact is most people will want Blu-ray, wether you need it is up to you. If you want to stick to 625p, that is also up to you. But you'll be living in the past. Games are getting bigger and need a bigger medium. There is doubt that current DVD's will hold enough storage for future releases. PS3 covers this area. Blu-ray by the way holds more storage than HD-DVD. Which XBOX 360 hasn't got yet, and is extra. The XBOX 360 is not future proof by any stretch. This is the digital revolution. Get with the times, not behind them. Spend the extra money for PS3, and you won't look back. I like those charts, they clearly show who won the last 2 console wars.

[user9422077]

ps3 ftw!

[ThatCanadianGuy]

So many failed predictions and FUD spreading in the open zone lol