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Source 2: it’s time for Valve to drop the baby steps

VG247: Valve was rumoured today to be working Source 2, a brand new version of the studio’s bespoke game engine. Dave Cook looks at the benefits of a serious tech leap instead of the company’s normal increments, and what it could mean for the reveal of Half-Life 3.

JONESY64696d ago

A Half-life 3 launch on the source engine would be extremely disappointing. Every year without any news of HL3 the more expectations the fans get.

Its fine to spend time on a game to make sure it's good when it gets released. But waiting too long might make fans have unrealistic expectations. Just look at Duke Nukem Forever.

aliengmr4696d ago

Yea but Duke Nukem was never in the same league as Half Life.

HL3 needs to be on Source 2. Source has been great over the years but Portal 2, though great, was showing its age. That's fine, but this is HL3.

nveenio4696d ago

I feel confident that Valve is saving Source 2 for HL3. Half-Life and HL2 were graphics-defining games in their day. They were easily the most beautiful shooters available to the mass market. Surely Valve wants to keep that trend. But with competition from Crytek and other graphically compelling studios, Valve's door to amaze us may be closing fast.

Perhaps they'll launch with the new consoles?

morganfell4696d ago

From the article:

"Rather than slam Valve’s lack of Half-Life 3 communication, gamers should relish the fact that it could launch on the next-generation of the studio’s tech. It’s been a long wait, sure, but do you want something cobbled together on the Portal 2 version of Source, or do you want a game as innovative and mind-bending as Half-Life 2?"

This.

I applaud Valve for going about their business and not bending to the press, whether it is the egoists at IGN, or some fly by night kid in his parents basement hammering away on his self righteous know it all blog.

The hell with these so called journalists who think they has some sort of divine right to direct the course of game development including when and how a company releases information. I just want to step on the necks of these children every time some company stonewalls because their tech and business is on the line and a little mealy mouth reporter throws a fit (Kotaku) and begins forecasting the impending doom of said company.

I am glad to see VG24/7 actually respecting Valves measured pace of development.

Gaming1014696d ago

The source engine is really dated, looks like slightly beefed up ps2 and xbox games at this point, has anyone played the Orange Box lately? Portal 2 had ingenious game design but the graphics left much to be desired, everything was drab and boring, a ton of browns and greys and not much else for 99% of the game or so (in terms of environments).

The engine needs to be able to push better textures given the next generation is just around the corner, Source 2 is a must for the next half life, which will either be HL3 or Episode 3, but quite frankly the wait has been so incredibly long I don'y see Episode 3 being all that relevant at this point given the small number of people who actually played all previous episodes and HL2 - relatively speaking.

aliengmr4696d ago

@morganfell

You have a point, but Valve hasn't even confirmed HL3 is being worked on. In fact, many would prefer it if Valve said it was cancelled, at least then we would have something. Valve is a "black hole" when it comes to anything related to HL3. Aside from some outdated concept art, I'm not aware of anything. We can't really even speculate what HL3 will be about since it really doesn't exist in the first place.

I commend them on controlling the leaks but it would be nice to know I can actually anticipate the release.

xAlmostPro4696d ago

@Jonesy6 & @Gaming101

You guys do realise that Source 2 would be a NEW engine right?..

Also to @Gaming101 specifically. Source looks like a beefed up ps2 engine?..

Portal 2 looked brown and gray?.. did you even play it?.. Portal 2 looked fantastic. Unless maybe you only played the 360 version. How can it be dull brown and grays when the portals are bright blue/orange and walls in most levels are covered in white?.. with red lasers etc.

CommonSense4695d ago

i would prefer it that half life 3 (and all other games) never get mentioned til 6 months before launch. we are too entitled, as consumers. and frankly, i find it annoying hearing about a blockbuster more than a year in advance.

the publishers/developers don't owe us anything.

meetajhu4695d ago

Dota 2 runs on Source Engine 2 but has pre-baked lighting.

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ATi_Elite4696d ago (Edited 4696d ago )

Ummmm Half Life is NOT Duke Nukem Forever and should NEVER be in the same sentence as Duke Nukem anything.

I understand your point but If you had HIGH expectations for Duke Nukem Forever then I feel sorry for you!!

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Source Engine 2 would be nice but Valve has said that the Source Engine is fully capable of being upgraded to whatever they need. "Portal 2 PC" looked great and I'm sure more bells and whistles will be added for Half Life 2 Episode 3!

shutUpAndTakeMyMoney4696d ago

The best part about source 2 is that it will be open to the player to make games or movies!

Ducky4696d ago (Edited 4696d ago )

Don't see why a new engine is necessary.

If it's visuals, then there are games like DearEsther that show that Source can still output amazing visuals (and it is quite optimized)

There really aren't many (any?) inherent problems in the engine that would require a new one to be made.

SilentNegotiator4696d ago

"There really aren't many (any?) inherent problems in the engine that would require a new one to be made"

How about the fact that it flips crap if you try jumping on a platform that is moving vertically? I've seen many people die in L4D because they jumped and fell through the elevator. (and sure, jumping in elevator in L4D is arbitrary, but that doesn't make it any less of a flaw in the engine)

And it's not just L4D. Even the Source games where you don't go through elevators, it seems to have issue keeping players in proper position when trying to jump.

Source absolutely has fundamental issues to iron out. It's a great engine, but it has been around for a long time; it needs to be succeeded eventually, and it's always nice to see sooner than later.

VanDamme4696d ago (Edited 4696d ago )

So you're saying as long as there aren't many issues, no one should progress and make a new engine?

Totally agree. I haven't upgraded my computer since I got my SNES emulator working.

Ducky4696d ago (Edited 4696d ago )

^ The question is, what progress would a new engine make?

The current engine is optimized, runs across a wide spectrum of hardware, is capable of impressive visuals, and has a physics engine that can still hold its own.

Without any real improvement, a new engine is a waste of time. It's like buying a new computer with identical parts as your old one. A new computer in itself is meaningless if it has no advantages over the old one.

@SilentNegotiator

True, the elevator in L4D (specifically NoMercy) is more lethal than any zombie in the game. The glitch was cause mostly by the way L4D1 implemented elevators rather than the engine itself. L4D2 didn't have the problem (AFAIK) with the elevator in HardRain.
I don't recall anything bad happening in Portal either, which features a lot of elevators and platforming.

I haven't encountered (or heard) of people having positioning issues when trying to jump. If that was actually flawed, then CS:S and TF2 would've died long ago.

Then again, Valve seems to trying to look for any excuse they can to delay HL3 and just slap a '2' on existing work. So maybe Source2 is going to be their new project. :D

Grap4696d ago

no engine can survive 2 gen in row source engine not only its last gen engine it's engine was created with PS2 and Xbox in mind.

Ducky4696d ago (Edited 4696d ago )

No engine can survive 2 gens? Tell that to idTech3

xAlmostPro4696d ago

Source was not created with consoles in mind at all. It was created with valve games in mind.

You do realise this is game engines for a company who make PC games priority first right?..

TitanUp4696d ago (Edited 4696d ago )

and diablo 3 but yes duke is no half life

t0mmyb0y4696d ago

You are obviously a young person. haah. There's a big difference between DNF and anything Valve has made. I'm actually surprised you have that many agrees. Definitely show's your age group :D too***

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Hufandpuf4696d ago

What was Portal 2 running on?

FarCryLover1824696d ago

Source. Same thing Half-Life 2, L4D, TF2, etc. ran on.

Hufandpuf4696d ago

Oh ok, I thought it was on Source 2, but it was just a modified Source engine. thanks

Pandamobile4696d ago

Every game Valve has released since HL2 has been a different modification of the original Source.

Valve tailors new engine directions to suit the games they're trying to build. The L4D/L4D2 builds are quite different from the Orange Box build. Portal 2 is quite different than Team Fortress 2, etc.

Mythicninja4696d ago

So now the team working on half life : black mesa can restart all their work, to the new engine, and still never release the game

mynameisEvil4696d ago

You know, I had a friend who was one of the first guys on the team, who's still involved with the development (of course). I asked him how much longer before release, he said, "Oh, we're just putting some finishing touches on it. We estimate it'll be out in December."

Now, you may be thinking, "Wow, now we have a pretty good idea that'll be out in December of this year." NOPE. He said this LAST YEAR.

Yeah... that December 2011 release date worked out spectacularly, didn't it? Now we're 8 months into the next year and all we've gotten was some screenshots. You know, I really wouldn't be surprised if they're waiting for Valve to announce HL3 before they release the game, just for it to fit the whole Half-Life waiting thing.

So, in conclusion... it'll NEVER be released.

Double_O_Revan4696d ago

I've suspected for a long time that's what their plan was. Once HL EP3 development hit the 2 year mark, I thought there could be no rhyme or reason for that kind of development time other then Valve building a new engine and making it HL3.

But even still, after all this time, both should've been completed.

lonesoul654696d ago

I agree...though when you make 10 times the money you ever made running a game service...i think it hurts your drive a bit.

xAlmostPro4696d ago

Why do they need EP 3 if they can create HL3 with extra episodes for that title?..

user54670074696d ago

It's funny this comes out a fews days after the article...

"Who Sony’s Special gamescom Guest Could Be"

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Gabe...no....no he wouldn't.....would he ?

No one was expecting the Portal 2 announcement...just saying

CashColeTrain13374696d ago

It couldn't be Half Life 3 though because they need to release Dota 2, Counter Strike GO, Left For Dead 3, Dota 3, Team Fortress 3, Portal 3, Team Dota, Counter Portal, then they can talk about Half Life 3. And we still won't see anything.

bambooman5844696d ago

Why would any of these take priority?

annus4695d ago (Edited 4695d ago )

Edit: I made a derp. Still don't believe Valve would announce a game with this much hype/wanted through Sony though.

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Valve Makes Up for Steam Deck Repair Delay by Gifting Free Game

Valve gave a user Clair Obscur: Expedition 33 for free as compensation for the long wait during their Steam Deck repair.

UltimateOwnage29d ago

I had a similar experience when I initially pre-ordered my Deck. There was an issue during shipping and they offered me a customer service perk for the hassle and let me pick any game on Steam. It was super nice of them. I got a copy of Rime.

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Valve doesn't need to compete with Nintendo Switch 2 right now, suggests poll

There have been plenty of comparisons online between the Steam Deck and Nintendo Switch 2, but does Valve really need to compete?

gold_drake60d ago

i love how people think this would be a fair "fight"

SegaSaturn66960d ago

Steamdeck plays Switch games better than the switch hardware.

I see no reason why this won't continue with the successors. Switch will sell more, sure. But those who game on PC always come out ahead both in enjoyment and value for their money.

Neonridr59d ago

you think a Steam Deck is going to emulate a Steam 2 when it's arguably more powerful than it?

Interesting..

Vits59d ago

We're going to have to wait and see. Currently, there's no technology that would allow a Steam Deck 2 to achieve a performance leap over the Steam Deck 1 similar to what the Switch 2 offers over the Switch 1, without sacrificing the device's portability.

We'll either need AMD to seriously improve the efficiency of their cores, so we can get something with the rasterization power of a Radeon 8060S but without the power consumption of an Xbox Series S, or Valve would have to invest heavily in a translation layer for ARM. Neither of these paths is easy to achieve, so we probably shouldn't expect a Steam Deck 2 for at least a 3 or 4 more years.

Inverno60d ago

Considering that other companies have shat out multiple PC handhelds already while Valve hasn't even mentioned a successor tells me they aren't looking to compete with anyone. They went for a console experience and that includes holding off on new hardware til there's a generational leap.

--Onilink--59d ago

None of those other companies can realistically compete with Valve either. Valve can sell the hardware for a minimal gain and still know they are for the most part, just having every user still use Steam.

Every other handheld has to make its profit entirely on the hardware, which is why most of them went for an even more PC enthusiast market/price point

That is the one point where Nintendo does compete with Valve, or Sony with their rumored handheld or even more so MS, if they release a first party handheld (with a decent version of handheld windows)

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Amenalien59d ago

What many people don't get is that most of Steam Deck users have a high-end or at least a good enough PC alongside the Steam Deck. Yes, we like better graphics and higher refresh rates and we get them in our PC, we are not relying on the Steam Deck for them. We use the Deck for other reasons and in other eventualities, where we are willing to compromise on all these things, because we still get to enjoy them when we can/feel like it in the PC. Thus, a direct comparison with a sole device like the Switch is misplaced. Of course you need the Switch 2 to be strong if there is no stronger alternative to play your games in. By the way I got a Switch on day 1 and I loved it, it's just that I'm not really playing it anymore.

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