10 reasons why Ouya will fail

Game industry analyst Kevin Dent gives his 10 reasons why the Ouya console will fail.

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-Mika-2289d ago

"Ouya was recently overfunded to the tune of $3 million on Kickstarter (it’s currently at $4.16m at the time of writing)… and one has to ask: what the heck is going on? Is this is Kickstarter bubble we’re in? Are people nuts? Giving $4 million to a product concept that doesn’t actually exist? An Android console?"

Omg this. Im going to laugh so hard when all of those people get scammed out of their money.

archemides5182288d ago

lol it's just the insides of a tablet without a screen or battery....not that hard to make. It's popular because it's completely open, while having the possibility of having the hardware standardized like current "regular" consoles.

xursz2288d ago (Edited 2288d ago )

I dont't care if it fails or not, as I'm not invested in it. But seriously, these "[X] Reasons [X] Will Fail" articles just need to stop. It's ridiculous already.

Wii, Wii-U, PS3, 3DS, Vita, and too many games to begin mentioning, have all been targets.

Rated down for silly journalism.

Brownghost2288d ago

@xursz, especially the vita

ForkInSocket2288d ago

@xursz I wish people would learn what journalism is. Hint: you won't find it in a blog post.

Flavor2288d ago

Who is going to sit at home to play casual mobile games...

Soldierone2288d ago

The thing I don't understand is, are they paying to make the games exclusive and/or the console exclusive to its structure? Aka no one else can make a F2P system? Or use their games?

The reason I ask is because Google already tried this standardized thing with Android and it fails because so many new phones release all the time. Sony and MS are already doing it with their phones and neither have yet to push it.

What I'm getting at is, whats stopping another company from making another console? Then more people jump in, and before long the console market is as full of crap and useless upgrades as the phone market.....with 10 different companies making 50 different consoles, and out dating this console within 6 months.....

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Arnon2288d ago (Edited 2288d ago )

Kickstarter works with pledges, not donations, so no... people are not being "scammed" out of their money.

SilentNegotiator2288d ago (Edited 2288d ago )

I don't think people are really interested in the legality/technical as much as the intention/result.

If you ask for money for something and don't do it....I'm going to call it a scam.

cleft52288d ago

For those of us who actually know a little something about console development and why the Big 3 are a closed network it is pretty obvious that Ouya is questionable at best. The reality is that the Ouya creators claim they want to sell games from Indie developers and major developers. Yet they support hackers altering the system, if they allow this to happen freely then hackers will make it so you can download all the games for free. Just look at a jail broken ipod device, you can download everything for free, including the paid stuff. So piracy is their first huge issue, but unlike the other system there is nothing the Ouya creators can do to stop it since this is an open source platform and any attempts at limiting hackers would be seen as going back on their promise to support hackers.

If they are able to get around that huge problem, then they have to deal with the issue of the types of games being sold on the console. Specifically, will they allow people to create and sell Adult games on the Ouya. This is something that the big 3 will not do and thats fine because they are a closed network, Ouya is an open source network. In their little kickstarter video they claim that anyone can put any type of game on the Ouya, well any type of game includes Adult games. This means that Ouya will very quickly become known as the "porn" console. The same way Nintendo is stuck with that stupid "kid" console label.

The next question is how do you get games for the Ouya? Where do you buy Ouya games from? A very simple question that the Ouya creators haven't completely answered. It is my assumption that this will be the first download only console. Now their is the question of where do gamers buy these games from? I can only assume and hope that their will be an Ouya store to buy and download free and pay to play games. If their is a store, how do they guarantee that ones purchase is secure and games aren't just illegally download? This brings back up the question of piracy. It's one thing to create and sell a system, but they aren't just making a console, they also have to create a place for gamers to buy the games from. Also, where do you buy an Ouya from, I doubt retailers are going to be interesting in stocking a download only console. So does this mean we are all ordering the Ouya from a warehouse, well that's fine so long as you get the console.

Oh and my final point is that to say you are using the Android operating system means close to nothing. The reason for this is because there are several Android operating systems out there, so saying you are using the Android operating system means nothing unless you specify which one you are using. This is important because most games only support Android v. 2.3 and higher, but Android v. 2.1 is still sold in many tablets. If the latest android operating system is to expensive to license and keeps the price tag from staying at $95 for the final product, than they will go with a cheaper android operating system that will severely limit what games will be made for it and what freedom developers have with creating games for Ouya.

So yeah, I agree with you Mika. I think the Ouya is a great concept, but these guys are just after a payday. Quite frankly, with the amount of money they will make off of this kickstarter it will be better for them to just fail and keep the money than to deal with all the lawsuits that will come with a successful product. Most likely these guys will end up selling the Ouya brand to some major company and make a good deal of money.

sorceror1712288d ago

The piracy depends on region, though. In the developed world, piracy rates are actually fairly low. It's in the less-developed areas where piracy rates are high.

The main issue is to make it more convenient to buy than to pirate. There will always be a certain amount of piracy, because some people will *never* pay for things... but by the same token, they weren't potential customers anyway.

The OS issue is actually in Ouya's favor. Yes, you're right, there's a lot of Android 2.1 devices out there. But that means if the Ouya comes out with Android 4.1 (Jellybean), games will be written for it for a *long* time.

Specialized app markets are nothing new, either. Amazon has their own app market, for example, and Android tablets that don't connect to Google's market still can still use Amazon's.

Don't get me wrong, I think Ouya's an iffy proposition. But not *as* iffy as you do, and not for *those* reasons.

sjaakiejj2288d ago

"The main issue is to make it more convenient to buy than to pirate."

Correct, and that in its own is Ouya's problem. Ouya is branded as a hacker-friendly console, and it's open source - this makes it incredibly easy to write a simple patch for users that replaces the usual market place with a pirate market place, with the exact same look and feel. The patch would be easy to apply (hacker friendly), and people would get their games for free.

sorceror1712288d ago

@sjaakiejj - At this point, rooting android devices in general is pretty easy. Just about every device has a "one click" tool to do it.

And yet, while rooting isn't *un*common, it's very far from the norm. Similarly, just because a piracy tool is convenient doesn't mean it'll be dominant. People also worry about trojans, voided warranties, bricking and bugs, etc.

Make buying apps simple and convenient and inexpensive, and a whole lot of people will buy apps with actual money.

SilentNegotiator2288d ago

10) Seriously? Ouya is cheap and geared towards independent development through a popular operating system. This doesn't compare to the 3DO.

9. It's not even released yet. And you're already declaring that it won't be promoted?

8. .....and what, they'll instantly become broke? You think the IRS is going to take all $4+ million away? They're well PAST their goal, you know.

7. Hint: Not everyone playing a $100 system can afford a 60" screen, snob.

6. Ever heard of tablets?

5. Again, they're well over their kickstarter amount. And put that "100K" figure back up your butt, from whence it came.

4. Hasn't stopped people in the past.

3. PC, mobile OS's, consoles....all easily hacked, but manage to sell games.

2. It's aimed at independent development. Besides, no one expects a lot of games to be developed ONLY for that system. But it's android, none the less....development will be simple.

1. Their pledges continue to rise and it's not necessarily their only option for income. You raise $4 million.....banks and businesses are going to be willing to be a part of that venture.

Sorry, but there is not a single valid point here that spells out Ouya's instant, impending doom.

jamesensor2288d ago

Dont worry about this article. He's just advocating for corporate. I say let it come out, the money raising value they got it's a clear message that some part of the community wants something different. I'm looking forward to see where this leads.

Tacklebait2288d ago

I gave the them $100, not $4 million dollars. At least it goes to show people are interested.

I think it has potential. At the very least i'll be able to stream movies now to my spare tv if it bombs, which is worth $100 to me. $100 media center.

Pretty sadistic getting so much enjoyment over people getting "scammed out of their money".

It will be a ultra low entry device with potentially cheap games. I'm sure there is a market for it.

avengers19782288d ago

why buy something else that plays the same game as my... phone, tablet, pc... etc.

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mertesn2289d ago

I give this a slightly better chance than the Phantom console of coming to market.

SilentNegotiator2288d ago (Edited 2288d ago )

Oh come on. It's a cheap system based off a popular OS.

Its chances are lightyears ahead of Phantom's, even if you have no faith in it.

sjaakiejj2288d ago

It'll come, it'll fail, and it'll be forgotten.

WeskerChildReborned2288d ago

It might succeed and it might not, let's just wait and see.

Oh_Yeah2288d ago (Edited 2288d ago )

this will probably succeed, endless amounts of free games + apps, open platform, emulators, homebrew, no limitation in media codecs...meaning it can play mp4, blu ray rips, mkv, avi, etc, it comes with a dev kit, so with skill you can make your own games. what this a console closest to a computer we can get. consoles of today (ps3, xbox) are computers with strict locks on them (jailed) meaning only sony and microsoft has a say in what can go on it..this new console is more open with less supervision (probation) its up to the people and the devs to make it great..pc's are able to do everything (free) this is the mid ground, if it receives alot of support, theres no doubt it could be a great alternative to locked consoles and pcs. great for the developers, gamers, bootleggers, hackers, kids, movie buffs and everyone in between.

if this comes with a good gpu, steam service, big hard drive, then yes it could seriously shake up the console industry

this is a direction sony wanted ps3 to be capable of at first with linux but they removed that because it left flaws in their security.

sjaakiejj2288d ago

"is a console closest to a computer we can get"

Or we could just buy a PC. How many big name developers do you believe will actually ever make any game for this console?

Considering it's hacker friendly, I'd say that number is pretty close to 0. Even Indie developers need to have some form of income, and Ouya is the least likely of all platforms to deliver that.

Oh_Yeah2288d ago (Edited 2288d ago )

@ sjaakiejj

can you find a quad core pc, android tablet, smart phone, console that comes with a dev kit for 99$? no doubt a decent pc would be better but let me know when you find one for that cheap.

Every dev starts from somewhere.
this would be a perfect chance for indie devs or people who want to learn that are unable to afford the costs of sony's/microsofts dev kits and fees to showcase their talent. as for the big boys? their games can be streamed from onlive or if they somehow incorporate a steam like service for the big games thatd be even better.

im sure alot of devs will take a shot making games for games, pay to play games, every kind of game, piracy is just as easy on pc, they still make games for it right? they still make money right?

sjaakiejj2288d ago (Edited 2288d ago )

"this would be a perfect chance for devs unable to afford the costs of sony's and microsofts dev kits and fees to showcase their talent"

It's even easier, and thanks to Steam more secure and cheaper, to develop games for PC.

"piracy is just as easy on pc"
No it isn't. Piracy on PC is more often than not a mess. Since Ouya supports hackers, a simple patch can be made available that completely replaces the Ouya marketplace with a pirate market place. Since Ouya is a console, developers are unable to implement their own security measures, as they are on PC. It has never before been that easy to pirate a game.

Oh_Yeah2288d ago (Edited 2288d ago )

dude utorrent/pirate, movies, music etc at the click of your finger. same thing man. piracy on pc is simple enough for 10 year olds. 360 is cracked almost wide open, same as wii, the ps3 is almost there also. those take extra work though. im sure xbox/ wii have sold many units based on the fact they can be hacked relatively easy. this being pre cracked means it wont sell?....okay then.

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archemides5182288d ago

Sounds like somebody wants to keep his job!! LOL

Summons752288d ago

Haha such a true list, at least someone has some common sense.

WeskerChildReborned2288d ago

Yea i don't see any developers like Epic or anyone that really works on consoles moving to Ouya.

dark-hollow2288d ago (Edited 2288d ago )

Maybe because its not aimed for the big boys to make games for this platform?

People need to understand whats this product is aimed for and what it tries to achieve.

Kaneda2288d ago

This console relies on indie developers at first. If they can create some cool games people want to play. Big Boys will jump in...

Summons752288d ago

doubtful, do you really see Bioware just letting people play mass effect 3 for free? NO they wanna get all the money they can get....not to mention Ouya can't run anything bigger than a cell phone game

lampoflava2288d ago

@Summons75 I do believe an Xbox has 512Mb of ram between GPU and CPU. The OUYA has 1gb of ram. Also if the OUYA fails I'll use it as a media player/emulator.

Kaneda2288d ago

Not for free.. Just like Apple app store. You can buy games off the app store. If you Unreal Engine can make mobile iOS games.. why not for Android...

cleft52288d ago

Last time I checked, Indie developers liked money too and you are fooling yourselves if you don't think this console will be hacked to allow for all games to be downloaded for free. Until the Ouya creators start talking about how they intend to combat piracy I will continue to view this console as questionable at best.

bobshi2288d ago

@lampoflava yes but it isn't the same kind of RAM, and also it isn't quite as simple as that either.

You're right about failure though - even if this wasn't able to play games at all it is still a good buy for those reasons.

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