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PS4 & 360 Will Need Plenty Of RAM To Meet Square Enix’s Standard

Square Enix’s Agni’s Philosophy tech demo turned a lot of heads when it was revealed at E3 last month.

This brief glimpse of what the future holds for the company’s long running Final Fantasy series (among other projects )isn’t only impressive visually but may also be a technical challenge for future consoles.

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Pedantic914741d ago

If this generation is of any indication of their work,

Why should Sony/MS hardware try to match your need for this engine ? unless you're planning buncha of games to use this engine and not just 2-3 games in the long run (Crystal Tools)

My 2 cents.

Lovable4741d ago

That's why SE wants Sony and MS to put bigger RAM, so they don't have to keep on changing their engines. This generation of gaming, there are huge difference between MS and Sony when it comes to how their system was built, and that forces SE to change their engine.

Hellsvacancy4740d ago

Dont defend square, whatever the reason the fact remains there games this gen have been crap (so far)

If i was Sony (or MS) id say screw them, you cater for our needs not the other way round

Lovable4740d ago

Speak for yourself. I personally enjoyed what they delivered this gen.

Sorry but you don't work for Sony. No matter how much you hate SE, they still have a HUGE influence in the gaming market.

PirateThom4740d ago

Square Enix USED to have a big influence on the gaming market. Bad decisions and sub-par games and just not keeping up with the times have tarnished the Square Enix brand. Buying Edios is the only thing that has kept them relevent, that side of the business seems to get it. The Japanese side is in major directional difficulties, they have poor resource allocation.

Lovable4740d ago

"Used" LOL..No wonder Versus 13 is still one of the most anticipated game of this generation. But of course, n4g is the whole world, so I guess you can say that...

mechlord4740d ago

@Lovable

Versus is the most wanted piece of vapourware. Thats it

Square doesnt have that kind of influence anymore. And the sad thing is that all they need to do is anonunce and release something like KH3 ....before the world ends

AIndoria4740d ago (Edited 4740d ago )

@Lovable That makes the two of us. Don't worry mate, there are still more haters of SE than supporters. Cheers!

So let me ask you HellsVacancy, suppose you're a Microsoft loyalist and they go through some tough times, do you say, "Fxck them, I'm switching to Sony." Do you?
My point exactly. SE might be having some trouble convincing 'western' gamers but I am fine with what they have. My actual interest in Final Fantasy rose after the reveal of Final Fantasy XIII and I had to play all FF games after seeing XIII(Yes, I've played all others). While I agree that...say, storywise, VIII is much better than modern ones, I'd still say that I've enjoyed current gen Square-Enix games, be it Dissidia, T3B, or even Tactics Ogre. Speak for yourself. you don't speak for entire fanbase. Most people might hate SE, but there are still some who love them.

Only problem with SE is, in my opinion, that they're trying to westernize the games. Don't do that, stick to your J-RPG roots, and you'll be fine.

madjedi4740d ago

@lovable " No matter how much you hate SE, they still have a HUGE influence in the gaming market."

No they don't they are struggling to stay relevant as a console jrpg maker. Stop fooling yourself, it's not about hating se, the games se has made this gen on console hasn't been up to par with what used to be considered the jrpg leader in the industry.

The best traditional jrpg game i played this gen, isn't a se game, it was done by tri-ace i think, look up resonance of fate.

Versus is supposed to be the real final fantasy game this gen, which is the only reason people want it. Not a off shoot. I'll support se when they get back some of the magic that they had in the previous gens.

And vaporware is very appropriate, till we see some gameplay for versus.

hkgamer4740d ago

I think SE were a little lazy in my opinion. How many games they developed for PS3, 360 or PC this generation?

I think it was FFXIII, XIII-2 & XIV. If they developed an engine earlier they probably could have used it for alot more games. This is the same for Kojima Productions, we are practically at the end of this generation and they are starting to build a multi-plat engine right now?

thats_just_prime4740d ago

I think what epic want will play a much bigger part in next gen than what SE want. The unreal enigne was used to death in this gen. Not only that but MS increased the ram for 256 to 512 to meet epics demands for gears

sikbeta4740d ago

@Lovable

Their engine is not the problem, SE just Sucks! and take 5 years to make a poor game, but hey, they can always use the same assets and milk sequels XP

Lets see how they work with the next gen consoles, IF HW is powerful and RAM is not an issue, going by Rumors, MS wants 8GB while Sony will go for 4GB of the fastest RAM if they can achieve that number by the time of manufacturing and SE still takes years to pull out a game, well, the answer will be obvious

Trebius514740d ago

Square has fallen from grace a long time ago. Theyre the last people that should be makin any demands or trying to show off tech.

They know how to make a great CGI cutscene, but they cant make a game for crap anymore.

Squaresoft was the reason i even got into gaming, those are the only games i really looked forward to from NES til PS2. Now I dont even rent them anymore.

They need to get their s*** together before they puff their chest and make demands. Youre not a big boy anymore Square, youre puppy water.

HenryFord4739d ago

As a developer, SE surely lost credentials over the past few years, mainly this generation.
But as a publisher Square Enix is still very well placed, releasing many of the top titles this generation under their hood. I think the influence they have is also coming from that - a strong publisher is very important to the gaming market thus the influence is still heavy on SE's part methinks.
Although - since this is a developement aspect they are talkin about, I wonder how much of an influence they really have.

But nevertheless - we should stop kidding ourselfes:
The next generation of gaming hardware will surely pack a lot more RAM.

GribbleGrunger4739d ago (Edited 4739d ago )

Crikey! is this still going? lol

Just to verify. Yes I was talking about the OS only. If Sony want to really utilise Gaikai fully they will want the OS and the internet browser to work PERFECTLY. hence my statement

they also want to create HOME2 as a virtual world you play through Gaikai too.

edit: whoops, wrong place

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GribbleGrunger4741d ago

one thing's for sure, the pS4 will have a hell of a lot of ram dedicated to the OS

raymantalk14741d ago

but why will it need all the ram GribbleGrunger when you say that cloud gaming is the future of consoles ? you dont need lots of ram for that are you now saying that cloud gaming is not the future of gaming ?

KwietStorm_BLM4740d ago

@raymantalk1

I'm fairly certain he was referring to the many features people want in the PS3 that it cannot currently produce. That's why he specifically said the OS. That has nothing to do with system RAM for games. Stop trying to stealth troll.

GribbleGrunger4740d ago (Edited 4740d ago )

see KwietStorm's answer. bubble to you, sir

JoySticksFTW4740d ago (Edited 4740d ago )

SE can't even optimize their games right, and they want to dictate specs?

Look at how horribly FFXIV was optimized. Some hardcore fans of FFXI that wanted to make the jump couldn't even play it.

It is only now after SE admitted that their engine was overly resource intentsive (cutting out a large portion of their potential player base), that they are revamping it to run in a larger variety of machines including low end pc's.

If this was still Squaresoft, then they might have some pull to make demands.

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DarkHeroZX4740d ago

Like I've been saying if the Vita is any indicator to the PS4. The PS4 will be very powerful yet easy to develope for, affordable, a wayyy better interface with OS having a very small memory footprint, and support both digital and physical formats. It's also going to be taking the more social route. I just hope the PS4 isn't as slow as the vita as far as getting features and functionality out in a reasonable time frame, that would hurt the PS4 greatly.

raymantalk14740d ago

@KwietStorm

sorry if you think i was talking about ram not being needed for square enix but i was actually refering to GribbleGrungers comments in another article where he stated that streaming games through gaikai was the future of gaming but now he says there will be plenty of ram in the ps4 which contradicts his previous statements as you wont need large amounts of ram to stream games like the onlive/gaikai services plus i made no reference to OS memory so i was not stealth trolling as you put it.

ps GribbleGrunger brown nosing to get bubbles ah! LOL

HenryFord4739d ago

@raymantalk1:
You surely don't understood what KwietStorm was trying to tell you?
Here, easy, so you can understand it:
1. GribbleGrunger states that the _OS_ (!!!) will have plenty of RAM dedicated to it.
2. You answer "But you said Cloud Gaming is the future!"
3. KwietStorm answers to that: "He isn't speaking about RAM for gaming, but about RAM for the OS"

See? The OP wasn't talking about RAM for gaming at all, you just thought so and jumped the gun on that one. He is _clearly_ talking about the OS, and the OS alone.

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adorie4741d ago (Edited 4741d ago )

I want 4-6 gigs of ram and 1-2gigs of dedicated VRAM.

If not, I will stick to my PC.
Maybe, just maybe, I might bite Sony's line and they'll reel me in with the PS4.

The PS3 has the most diverse 1st party and 3rd party exclusive line-up out of all the consoles and the games don't appear to be dumbed-down for the masses, unless we're talking about KZ3 or Socom 4.

Sony's PS3 has proven that consoles can still be a viable option to the PC and that is what I am looking for in a video game console.
They've shown me that they are willing to stay true to their fanbase who seem loyal to them.
I hope Sony attempts to forge a better relationship with Valve and cooperate on more projects or features that bring cross-game play to the table.

sandman2244740d ago

Dude, I love socom 4, also the graphics are one of the best I've seen in a third person shooter. Also killzone 3 was great but not as great as killzone 2.

greenpowerz4741d ago (Edited 4741d ago )

The 360 has the ram it does because of gears or war. Cliffy talked MS into e-dram. This is a bit different though, the Gear of War franchise is exclusive to MS platforms(hardware/OS game software) Devs must be pretty confident in the engine's predicted success to ask such a thing as a multi platform company without offering games showing its worth or potential on new hardware.

Maybe they'll offer exclusives for each platform to help earn back the investment of extra ram? LoL Gears sold consoles thus MS earning some return in the extra investment.

greenpowerz4740d ago

I forgot to add.

This request makes more sense for nintendo as their franchises do not push any boundaries yet will have to keep up with PS4 and 720 multi platform games. However Naughty dog has the power and leverage to make such a request from Sony due to a guaranteed return in investment, with console sales just as Epic did early in this generation with MS.

orange-skittle4740d ago (Edited 4740d ago )

Its not called the 720 you moron, they already said it's called XBOX 8 since it will be running on windows 8 OS

HenryFord4739d ago (Edited 4739d ago )

Haha - calling someone a moron because he uses a word that most of the world used until a few days (more like "hours") ago?
Besides that: There is no statement from MS wether it will be called Xbox 8, Xbox 720 or Xbox Multiusermegaextrapartyfunpack er - in fact: They hardly say anything at all about the new console. Also you have nothing to back up your statement "will be running on windows 8 OS" - there is no such statement from MS.
So... yeah... he is the moron o.O

dark-hollow4740d ago

They won't need that much of ram if they want to keep FF extremely linear like ffiiix...

SilentNegotiator4740d ago (Edited 4740d ago )

X minus iii.....heeeeey, Heavenly King is right! Leave FF7 outta this!

lol

mochachino4740d ago

Everyone is hating on Square saying all their games were crap but Deus Ex HR was an excellent game and the new Tomb Raider looks excellent.

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GuyThatPlaysGames4740d ago

PS4 and XBOX 720 are only equivalent of a mid-grade gaming PC.

sonic9894740d ago

how did you know that
you got a time machine go and hug your pc fanboy

GuyThatPlaysGames4740d ago

Obviously you haven't done your research.

HenryFord4739d ago

You boviously didn't either...
So yeah... what can you tell us about the new consoles, you got from some leaked paper on the Xbox by MS?
We will see us then in 2 years and meet again over this topic - we'll see how much truth you already found today.

orange-skittle4740d ago

The PS4 and XBOX 8 will be just as powerful as a PC next gen

Greyfoxdbz4740d ago

Looks good visually, But I'm still waiting for versus 13. concentrate on that.

http://ffxvhome.com/

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tigertron4741d ago

Sony and MS needs to give us lots of RAM.

Me-Time4741d ago (Edited 4741d ago )

Car Ramrod. Get it?! I said, car RamRod.

shutUpAndTakeMyMoney4741d ago (Edited 4741d ago )

yes! RAm it in there!!

spunnups4741d ago

square has standards? since when?

Yangus4741d ago

Square allways good graphics FF...
Next-gen?One best visuals new FF Luminous Engine this 100%.

madjedi4740d ago (Edited 4740d ago )

"square has standards? since when?" They seem to have misplaced them this gen.

CommonSenseGamer4741d ago (Edited 4741d ago )

At least 4GB ram overall i would have thought should be the minimum. Remembering we're only dealing with 1080p.

ShoryukenII4740d ago

I wouldn't mind a game looking like this in 720p with 30 fps on the PS4.

rob60214741d ago

Bring on the ram, as long as it doesn't mean waiting 2 minutes to load a level.

Skate-AK4740d ago

Big hard drives and installs will help against that.

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It Shouldn't Take Expedition 33's Success to Remind Square Enix That Turn-Based Still Sells

TNS: Expedition 33 was the wake-up call Square Enix needed, telling it turn-based RPGs are still popular, but that shouldn't have been the case.

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Relientk7722h ago

True, but if it does get it through their thick skulls, then that works.

Although, the Dragon Quest 1 + 2 HD remakes will be turn-based and (the worst kept secret) Final Fantasy IX remake should be turn-based I would imagine. Let's see if any newer games go turn-based too.

thorstein19h ago(Edited 19h ago)

DQIII HD Remake was turned based and very successful. Then there was a really obscure turn based game came Balder's Gate 3. I heard it might have done well.

Profchaos15h ago

I wouldn't be shocked if they switched ff to the vii remake combat system

PapaBop11h ago

It won't get through to them though, despite E33's success, they still won't risk going fully turn based for their big budget projects simply because they are still in the mindset that it needs to be action combat to appeal to the mainstream audience. I hope I'm wrong but don't underestimate just how stubborn Japanese execs can be

barom4h ago

Ya'll are hyping up Expedition 33 too much. Reminder that FF XVI sold 3 million in a week and it took Expedition 33 approximately a month to get to that (33 days to reach 3.3 million).

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DivineHand12522h ago

While it is true that Sqaure Enix has moved away from turn based games compared to how they were in the past, there is a good reason for it.

Older gamers will know this but during the ps2 era, we were flooded with turned based games from Japanese studios and this created a form of fatigue back then going into the next generation.

When Square released FF13, they received heavy criticism for making the game turned based like every other FF game and not doing enough to innovate. This is why they made FF15, FF7 Remake and FF16 have real time combat. It gave the series a fresh spin and has brought in new fans to the series.

I personally would be happy with either turned based FF or the real-time combat version we see today.

Shane Kim21h ago

Remake and Rebirth have "turn based" if you set it in the settings.

Lexreborn218h ago

Dang wish I saw your post before I made mine because we definitely feel the same way lol

Profchaos15h ago(Edited 15h ago)

Yeah hit the nail on the head but its like ww2 games we get hundreds of them then a decade of nothing and people start missing them i think we're going to start seeing them return

Claire, dragon quest even yakuza have seen turn based return

andy8521h ago

Only need to look at their own game DQ 11 approaching 10 million to show there's a market. And that's not as big of a name as FF

Tacoboto21h ago

Another article about Expedition 33 and Square Enix and turn-based games? This is starting to sound like propaganda.

The game didn't sell because it's a turn-based game; it sold and is enjoyed because it's a really freaking good game that released completed at a good price without gamer drama attached to it. No Mtx, no wait-until-it's-patched, minimal bloat, a self-contained story, no multiplatform BS. Just a solid original game that absolutely nails what it intended to do.

Redemption-6421h ago

I was just about to say the same thing.

anast20h ago

This comment should have a 100 upvotes, at least.

CrimsonWing6921h ago

Maybe try actually listening to the fans who have supported the series for decades. This habit of ignoring your core audience just to chase people who were never interested in Final Fantasy in the first place makes no sense. And when that approach fails, doubling down on it is beyond baffling.

The battle system has never been the main reason non-FF or non-JRPG players stayed away. Gutting the series’ identity to chase a broader market doesn’t attract new players. It just alienates the loyal ones.

Keep going down this road and we’ll end up with Final Fantasy Fortnite abomination or a F2P Battle Royale game.. Oh wait…

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Final Fantasy IX 25th Anniversary Lottery Announced

Do not miss the Final Fantasy IX lottery commemorating its 25th anniversary and see the new merch release by Square Enix.

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jznrpg19d ago

It would be nice if they had the lottery in other parts of the world as well.

CrimsonWing6919d ago

I’m hoping Xbox Showcase will be where the Remake gets announced… freaking all this stuff with FF9’s anniversary and still nothing on the Remake…

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Main Cast Of Final Fantasy IX Get New Artwork Ahead Of 25th Anniversary

Check out the fresh Final Fantasy IX artwork released for its 25th anniversary, alongside new Japanese bios and merchandise!

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