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Dead Space needs “around five million” fans to survive, according to EA

EA president Frank Gibeau says that Dead Space needs a number of players roughly equivalent to the entire population of Norway to justify its continued existence. “In general, we’re thinking about how we make this a more broadly appealing franchise, because ultimately you need to get to audience sizes of around five million to really continue to invest in an IP like Dead Space,” he told CVG in a recent interview.

shodan744331d ago

Ah, so THAT'S why we can look forward to cover-based shooting against human opponents, plus action-centric co-op...

Felinox4331d ago

Im getting sick of hearing these stories about how many million each game needs to sell to make money.
We are at end of console cycle where market has more consoles than ever but somehow bleed more money than ever. Seems as number of publishers has shrank thay must be taking a bigger cut from devs. Seems the market will correct itself (crash) before too long. Viva la indies!

MAJ0R4331d ago

Probably! I certainly won't be one of the 5 million.

I'll probably pick it up in the bargain bin based on the footage they've shown.

SeekDev4331d ago

Not only do the execs take a large portion of the profits when compared to the devs, but the devs are being treated horribly. Just look at Team Bondi and 38 Studios. I'm not even sure if the devs that worked with those studios have been payed yet. It's terrible.

Bimkoblerutso4331d ago

I took the comment to mean something closer to: "Dead Space 3 needs to make us enough money to buy those solid gold toilets for our office bathrooms, or we're shutting the franchise down."

STONEY44331d ago (Edited 4331d ago )

They don't need the 5 million to make a profit. It's all about "opportunity cost". EA said an in interview a while back that they base whether or not they keep IPs by opportunity cost, and what that team could be doing instead.

Say a team is making a game in what they consider a "niche genre" that's selling, say, 2 million. Why make that, when thr team could instead be making the next big dude-bro shooter that's more likely to sell 5 million? It's missed opportunity in EA's eyes.

This whole "broadening to wider audiences" and action-izing the game? Sadly, Visceral doing that is probably the only thing keeping EA from ending the Dead Space franchise and forcing Visceral to work on a full-on action game.

STONEY44331d ago

They don't even need 5 million to make a profit. EA said an in interview a while back that they base whether or not they keep IPs by opportunity cost, and what that team could be doing instead.

Say a team is making a game in what they consider a "niche genre" that's selling, say, 2 million. Why make that, when the team could instead be making the next big dude-bro shooter that's more likely to sell 5 million? It's missed opportunity in EA's eyes.

This whole "broadening to wider audiences" and action-izing the game? Sadly, Visceral doing that is probably the only thing keeping EA from ending the Dead Space franchise and forcing Visceral to work on a full-on action game. It has nothing to do with development costs. It has to do with EA wanting more money.

Mounce4331d ago

I won't support DS3 if they feel the need to me, to especially lie about what they need. If they think they need such a massive amount for this game, they're overestimating their franchises' worth and expecting too much. It'd be like them making a Kickstarter and asking fans to give them $50-60 MILLION DOLLARS before they make the game.

Only problem, they're making the game and expecting that or more instead of pre-emptive to gouge consumer interest.

Faulty it be.

ThanatosDMC4331d ago

Screw Dead Space 3... too many chest high walls. If i wanted to play Gears, i'd play Gears.

SilentNegotiator4331d ago (Edited 4331d ago )

Hint to EA:

Get rid of the awful multiplayer.

And if you're STILL operating at a "necessary 5 million customers" for your linear adventure, clearly you are not cost effective. Other studios do fine with 1 million and make much more impressive, expansive games.

nukeitall4331d ago

@MAJ0R

Agreed! I will just wait for the inevitable $5-10 price tag, just like Dead Space 2. I refuse to support EA and their Online Pass scheme and poor treatment of customers.

ThanatosDMC4331d ago

Not to mention they're gonna add same day dlc for either weapons or multiplayer.

papashango4331d ago

Dead Space 3 won't sell anywhere near 5 million. I hate when they start talking about how much it needs to sell.

Like we're sposed to care. If it's a good game it'll sell. this kind of marketing is gonna blow up in their face

thereapersson4331d ago

Well, that's awesome! Thanks a lot EA, for making my decision not to buy this game *this* much easier.

In-essence, EA is growing weary of this series.

MWH4331d ago

that's the corporate bullshit my friend. indeed long live independent devs.

DARK WITNESS4331d ago

You know the funny thing is I hated EA for a long time and I refused to buy any EA game at the time.

I didn't have a single game from EA in my collection till Dead Space 1 came out.

The looked soooo cool and different to all the normal crap that I just could not help but give it a try and it blew me away.

Till this day it's still my favorite new IP this gen. based of the back of that I then bought Mirrors edge, another great new IP.

Now they want to make it as generic as everything else out there.

Have they not cought onto the fact that it does not work like that?

How many games now have gone off in a different direction all in the hopes of doing Cod like numbers in sales and have fallen flat on their face?

How many fans do you think it will have once you have finished butchering it up and how much sales do you think you will get from it.

such a shame RIP Dead Space

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pixelsword4330d ago (Edited 4330d ago )

Dear Dead Space/EZ (EA) Developers,

Don't hold your own game ransom, because what you're basically saying is that you've (read: EA) dug yourself into a hole with other bad games/decisions to the degree that you want other people to bail you out. If Dead Space needs 5 million buyers, then it's your responsibility to ensure the game and story should have interested five million people already.

On top of that, you're not going to get the Gears of War audience, so forget about it. Your loser game Army of Two should have taught you a lesson, but it basically taught us a lesson: that EA doesn't learn from lessons. Put it out there, and watch it fail... unless you pay the reviewers, of course; then only the people who depend on reviewers for their games will likely buy it.

Do it, EA; we love watching your IPs fail.

Next up: Activision's 3rd person CoD with cover shooting. Or whatever.

Sincerely,

Well, not sincerely,

me

P.S.

Goodbye, Dead Space...

Downtown boogey4330d ago

I just cannot comprehend the urge to say these things repeatedly! Video games PR truly sucks.

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Kurylo3d4331d ago

I hope they realize that trying to go the action route actually gives them fewer sales. I say let them kill the franchise if they arent going to stay true to what its all about. Let them learn their lesson so they dont ever do it again.

Tachyon_Nova4331d ago

It's EA though, they never learn.

princejb1344331d ago

for those people who've seen the e3 gameplay of dead space 3
this game reminds me of gears of war smh
idk how they turned one of my favorite franchises to a gears clone

user54670074331d ago

I honestly hope they end the series after this

I'd rather see the franchise go out now since it's turned into something completely differen't then what made Dead Space so appealing. I would say maybe they could redeem themselfs with DS4 but I highly doubt it...I said that about Capcom and RE6 but that didn't happen, it just got worse.

joab7774331d ago

We r devolving. Unfortunately, too many people buy just a handful of games and now every game must b like one of those to try and b successful...or should I say maximize profits. If it isn't it won't exist. Its too bad too. Soon it will b CoD, GTA, Gears and Uncharted, AC & Sky rim with WoW, Diablo and star craft. And for a ports fifa, madden and forza. Oh the future is bright.

Its sad because I really enjoyed kingdom and I'm loving dragons dogma and we probably won't see sequels (one for sure) because 1-2 million isn't enough anymore. Oh, I forgot, we still have halo and all mobile games. I'm not sad anymore lol.

MrMister4331d ago

They'll be lucky if the sell even 1 million with this generic looking piece of crap. If people wanted that gameplay, then Resident Evil 6, Gears of War, Lost planet 2 & 3, will all be coming out soon--WHICH MEANS that there's already an oversaturation of these types of shooters...We wanted at least just one, true horror survival game. Now we get this crap. PLUS, it wont even have local (couch) co-op (if their gonna force co-op on us at all, at least be couch). Co-op in general is a dumb idea anyway. And the trailer was a joke. Mark my words, this series is done for if they keep this crap up.

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OC_MurphysLaw4331d ago

So EA is basically saying their break even on this game is 300 million dollars.... I don't buy that for one moment. And is that 5 million user base including the inevitable "Dead Space 3 Premium" service for $50 a year too?

SeekDev4331d ago (Edited 4331d ago )

It's because the execs aren't making enough money to feed their greed.

And, what is this Dead Space 3 Premium thing? I can't find anything on it.

@below Well, if it did happen, it would bring in a lot of money for EA, so we should just assume that it will happen :P

OC_MurphysLaw4331d ago

@SeekDev... No official Dead Space 3 Premium, I was joking around...but lets be honest its probably not out of the realm of reality for EA.

Skate-AK4331d ago

They would never do a Dead Space Preminem. It doesnt have enough multiplayer and I think 3 doesn't have it at all. I do see them doing this with Medal of Honor.

SeekDev4331d ago

With the way they've changed the game mechanics to be action oriented, they'll definitely work in a good volume of competetive multiplayer so that they can sell DLC maps or game modes down the road.

Tachyon_Nova4331d ago

No I think they are saying that if they don't sell 5 million copies then it isn't worth their investment as they would rather use that developer and the funds on a product that will sell more.

DwightOwen4331d ago

In other words, good old-fashioned greed.

Megaton4331d ago

"In general, we’re thinking about how we make this a more broadly appealing franchise"

The death rattle of an EA franchise.

Rupee4331d ago

Yep that's the problem right there...

FinaLXiii4328d ago (Edited 4328d ago )

red alert is pretty much dead now because of that.

WeskerChildReborned4331d ago (Edited 4331d ago )

I hope Dead Space doesn't die.

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EA Hopes to Use Generative AI to Drive Monetization and Make Development 30% More Efficient

Today Electronic Arts CEO Andrew Wilson provided a look into his ideas for the use of generative AI in the company's development processes.

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thorstein49d ago

I wonder what the next buzz word they'll slap in front of AI to make it sound exciting next? "Generative" as if it's creating its own content. Lol.

Cacabunga48d ago

EA is already dying a painful death..

peppeaccardo48d ago

i have a better idea .. why the whole exec team doesn't get replaced by chat bots ?

just_looken49d ago

Though i agree the ai thing is already in other forms of media there have been ai translations/scripts/voice over and even full ai commercials aired on tv. Ubisoft has created a ai game creator story/vo/music except the building of the game

The new unreal engine has auto terrain creation tools

In the world of greed in which it is winning without any major blow back ai is our future.

everyone want's biden dead on the mic or a criminal instead of a woman and now we are getting ai everything because no one will stop watching/playing ai created media.

GamerRN48d ago

Maybe they should just focus on making good games?

Just a thought...

Kiryu199248d ago

Exactly EA are just pure evil. When they are beating Bank of America to be voted the worst company to work for that’s saying a lot

Good thing I don’t buy their games day one and wait for deep deep sale years after launch (the select few games I am actually interested in)

Gaming is making so much money yet the greed of these companies is never ending

CEO’s and people on board making millions yet cutting jobs to those who are actually making the products

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Knightofelemia49d ago (Edited 49d ago )

EA is still a shady shitty company even with or without the help of Skynet. All they will use AI for is new ways to milk loot boxes and come up with the same sports title with a different year on the label. They are one company I truly do hate with a passion. They single handedly ruined some great franchise with their death touch. ME, Dead Space, Alice Returns, Dante's Inferno.

Stuart575648d ago

EA layoffs followed by 'Generative AI to Drive Monetization'

I knew it. Wonder what AI salary looks like? Nothing.

ChasterMies48d ago

I having a feeling that most of the layoffs in the industry are based on the idea that AI will do the same job for less.

DarXyde48d ago

Very likely, yes.

Made worse by the fact that the execs aren't changing their compensations.

My deepest fear at this point is that we are now in the capitalism endgame.

At this point, we really should just burn AI to the ground. Executives cannot be trusted to do the right thing.
How are those people expected to support families if everything gets automated?

Barlos48d ago (Edited 48d ago )

And take away creativity, and people's jobs as we've been seeing. Got it.

No thanks. I want my games created by people, not AI.

CobraKai48d ago

Exactly. If or when games start becoming more AI than people, im done with gaming. AI and companies like EA can suck donkey d***k.

just_looken48d ago

Though i agree remember this is no ps3/360 era were we got up to 3 games in one generation from on developer like gears/halo/bioware/sony/ms

The people today are pro esg/sweet baby for the most part AAA gaming is imploding right now.

We should be stepping back re evaluate everything as a whole this year xmen 97 written/directed by a woman that is nuts and its also being made by a group reshaping bodies to be less sexual like wtf. A dam famous cartoon from the 90's is being rebuilt with millions spent to be worse in everyway.

Gaming/movies/tv shows made today are worse than what we had 7years ago ai won't change this but that ai is also being made by these groups so either way we are screwed.
https://www.youtube.com/wat...

Eonjay48d ago

Don't be of afraid of women. Sexy characters in games and movies still exist. Got my Stellar Blade on preorder!!! Everything all the time doesn't need to be sexual...that's stupid, childish and dull.

Chocoburger48d ago (Edited 48d ago )

EA doesn't want to lose their title of worst gaming company ever, always trying their best to remain the champs!
What's sad is that they have so much potential to be a decent publisher.

SSX Tricky / SSX 3
Def Jam Vendetta / Fight for New York
NBA Street
NFL Steet
Mirror's Edge
Bad Company
Burnout 3 / 4 / 5

Remember when EA used to be awesome? It's all over with now. Unpolished, if not out-right broken games these days. Endless monetization and gambling in their sports games, and let's not forget wasting hours of your life trying to unlock characters or equipment using "surprise boxes!"

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EA And Sony Layoffs, Entertainment News And More Skewedcast

Gareth, Justin, and JoeyZ look at Layoff news for EA and Sony and reasons behind the downturn in the industry and more.

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EA - Continuing to evolve our business and teams

EA CEO Andrew Wilson writes: "In this time of change, we expect these decisions to impact approximately 5 percent of our workforce. I understand this will create uncertainty and be challenging for many who have worked with such dedication and passion and have made important contributions to our company. While not every team will be impacted, this is the hardest part of these changes, and we have deeply considered every option to try and limit impacts to our teams. Our primary goal is to provide team members with opportunities to find new roles and paths to transition onto other projects. Where that’s not possible, we will support and work with each colleague with the utmost attention, care, and respect. Communicating these impacts has already begun and will be largely completed by early next quarter."

LG_Fox_Brazil56d ago

All the big ones doing the same stuff. Terrible. I just hope that all these people are able to get a new job as soon as possible, God know that it is horrible to be left jobless when you have your kids or your parents depending on your financial help

Jin_Sakai56d ago (Edited 56d ago )

2024 so far.

Feb ’28 Electronic Arts (EA) 670 (5%)
Feb ’24 PlayStation 900 (8%)
Feb ’24 Vice Media Group Several hundred
Feb ’24 Buzzfeed 16%
Feb ’24 NowThis 26 (50%)
Feb ’24 Paramount Global 800 (3%)
Feb ’24 SiriusXM 160 (3%)
Feb ’24 Snapchat 10%
Jan ’24 TechCrunch 8 + subscription product
Jan ’24 U.K.’s Channel 4 200
Jan ’24 Business Insider 8%
Jan ’24 Microsoft Gaming 1,900
Jan ’24 Riot Games 530
Jan ’24 Sports Illustrated Possibly all
Jan ’24 YouTube 100
Jan ’24 Pitchfork (Conde Nast) Undisclosed
Jan ’24 Universal Music Group Hundreds
Jan ’24 Discord 17%
Jan ’24 NBC News 50-100
Jan ’24 Audible 5%
Jan ’24 Google Hundreds
Jan ’24 Amazon Hundreds
Jan ’24 Duolingo 10%
Jan ’24 VideoAmp 20%

DATA AS OF FEB. 28, 2024

outsider162456d ago

Is it possible maybe this whole ai thing is in play?

just_looken56d ago

Another long list that skips over UPS cutting 12,000 jobs those workers as we know work without ac low pay and old box trucks but that company had to cut 12k jobs do too loosing billions of dollars year 2 year.

https://edition.cnn.com/202...

The greed and lack of transparency/oversight is disgusting.

Ups are still making bang but not enough for a golden boat fleet.

Remember we all use ups at some time even stuff in our stores this is going to be a huge issue gong forward i know in my area they removed half the state ups stores northern half least population got some 3rd party running packages now from minivans.

Sonic188155d ago

When I explan this I get called a troll 🤔 like wtf

thorstein55d ago

@just_looken

UPS is a different story altogether.

They are paying the people doing the actual work/ earning the money more and eliminating management.

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CrimsonWing6956d ago (Edited 56d ago )

You do realize around this time this happens all throughout many industries (not just the game industry), right? It has to do with taxes for these major companies, like tax subsidies for downsizing. You want to know a little secret? Around May or so you’ll see a spike in hiring…

It blows my mind that people are oblivious to corporate workings.

Andrew33656d ago

So over 25 huge companies cut jobs every year like this and it only got noticed this time?

CrimsonWing6956d ago (Edited 56d ago )

@Andrew336

Yes, that’s exactly what I’m saying. Google it up if you’re uninformed of how corporations work. Only gamers seem to live in a bubble and when they see things like crunch, acquisitions, and lay-offs they act like this is the only industry it happens to and how shocked they are about it.

Welcome to the real world, kid.

thorstein55d ago (Edited 55d ago )

EA CEO Wilson's total compensation was 20 million. Let's take away 19 million (I'm sure he can survive on 1 million.... somehow).

1 million is the salary of an in the chair developer @100,000 for 10 years.

He could earn 1 million a year.

And save the jobs of 15 in the chair devs for A DECADE (plus benefits) with ONE YEAR'S compensation.

RhinoGamer8856d ago

No Executive accountability or firings I see...

just_looken56d ago

Do not worry they will take over 40mill say sorry then get hired by playstation or xbox

blackblades55d ago

I heard Japan does it better, they do layoffs like what's happening with companies in the west. The higher ups also being agreeing to to lower there own salary. These MFs like jim and Phil isnt gonna do that they want that $

Sonic188156d ago

Like I said earlier, this is happening all around the gaming industry.

Petebloodyonion56d ago

The point I feel is problematic about all of this is that focusing on Owned Ip means more sequels, remasters and more of what was selling last year.

TheColbertinator56d ago

EA is certainly among the worst,if not the worst

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