Nintendo confirms Wii U launch games will run at 720p

First party Wii U launch games will run in 720p, Nintendo has confirmed.

[LiamIRL82]

How very 2006 of you Nintendo.

[chasegarcia]

"Paltry, insufficient, and laughable in effort"- Urban Dictionary

I guess I will be able to emulate the next generation Nintendo console on my pc.

I got Ivy bridge cpu. I am Next, Next, Next generation in NintendoLand.

[specialguest]

I don't think your PC even has the power to emulate the Xbox 360 and play games at a playable frame rate. The amount of processing power it takes for emulation is crazy. In addition, Ivy bridge cpu cannot fully be taken advantage of if the game was never programed to take advantage of the multiple cores. Ivy Bridge is nothing without the high clock speed.

[neogeo]

I will take some 720p as long as it's 60fps and has NO LESS then 4xAA 720p needs some AA or it's jaggie city:) I always play around with my computer and 720 looks perfect@ 8xAA I can't even tell the difference from 8xaa 720p or 1080p with no AA. a 46 inch Sony TV XBR

[Denethor_II]

" Ivy bridge cpu cannot fully be taken advantage of if the game was never programed to take advantage"

Yes, but assuming that Nintendo don't release an official emulation for PC users then maybe the emulation would, in fact, take advantage of the new chipset? Kind of like how PCSX2 can take advantage of multiple cores.

[miyamoto]

does this mean wii u is not next gen

[ProjectVulcan]

Perfect emulation steals huge amounts of power, but good emulation won't be too far away for something like 360 i wouldn't have thought.

The PS2 emulation scene really started up before average PC hardware was capable anyway, and as the years apssed and the hardware and software became more refined, the better and more playable the games were.

[Computersaysno]

Even Ps2 emus can use multi cores...

[InklingGirl]

Yeah, consider games like Infamous 2 run at 720p and how amazing it looks I could care less. Resolution means nothing it's the quality of the art and visuals.

[chasegarcia]

QUALITY.........that is why some of us want higher resolution. Have you seen 1080 with 8x anti-aliasing @ 60 fps. It is beautiful.

I want to see that nice art that the artist spend his time on for who knows how many hours clearly without blur.

[ShaunCameron]

Exactly. Besides, most PS3 games don't do 1080p anyway. Not even God Of War III for all of its graphical glory. WiiU games doing only 720P is a non-issue.

@ chasegarcia

And the key word is "some". To many, 720p is sufficient.

[Treian]

Resolution means A LOT. Comparing a game running at 1680 x 1050 to 1600 x 900 is a HUGE difference.

[Motorola]

^ You are correct, but that example is the worst one you could choose.

[ProjectVulcan]

Resolution must mean SOMETHING. Otherwise why bother even going to HD consoles from PS2 and Xbox. It is tempting for people to say something means nothing, be dismissive, when they don't know what a difference it can make. If they don't experience it for themselves.

The gap between 1280 x 720 and 1920 x 1080 is quite a lot. It is a little more complicated in previous generations, but in the PAL region at least the typical resolution was 720 x 576 from Xbox and PS2.

720 x 576 = 414,720 pixels
1024 x 600 = 614,400
1280 x 720 = 921,600
1920 x 1080= 2,073,600

Which means that going from the previous generation to this HD gen, a lot of people found the number of pixels a little more than doubled right? 414,720 to 921,600.

Except a whole raft of games aren't even double. 1024 x 600 included there is the Call of duty games for example, its not even double the previous generation resolution. Halo Reach 1152 x 720? JUST double.

1920 x 1080 is a little more than double 1280 x 720. The actual difference IS comparable going from PS2 to PS3, or from Xbox to Xbox 360.

Did you find the resolution increase meant NOTHING from PS2 to PS3? Or did you in fact crow over how much sharper and better it was? Were you impressed how much sharper Xbox 360 games looked on a HDTV compared to Halo:CE, or Splinter Cell Chaos Theory?

If so, then please do not dismiss 1080p as if its "nothing" or "meaningless".

Because that is as silly as saying the difference in resolution between the SD generation and this HD generation is just as meaningless too.....

[Campy da Camper]

True, but if Infamous 2 ran in 1080p at 60fps with no motion blur or jaggies it would be jaw dropping. That's what I want, BOTH worlds.

[TheRealist]

God of War like most of sonys other IPs SMASH these graphics into the ground! bump mapping, textures, lighting, & all. Not a single Nintendo game is on par with Sonys visuals.. Resolution may be 720p but the game SHINES.. Not like this Wii title w smoother edges

[jeseth]

Considering machines released 6-7 years ago and designed ever further back than that (PS3/360) can do the same and better ...

this is pathetiv on Nintendo's part. We already knew the graphics would be basically the same as PS3/360 ... but now the games are not 1080 standard? That's crap.

The Wii-U is really looking bad right now.

[LNDCalling]

@vulcanproject Does that mean you are all for 4k movies and games as the next step forward? Or do you think that there is a point where resolution would be beyond what the human eye can easily notice (if at a reasonable distance from screen)?

Many PC gamers will see resolution from a different perspective if they are used to gaming at close range to a monitor as differences are more easily noticeable, the same cannot be said for people gaming on a large screen from beyond 5ft (assuming 40" TV 1080p content) as pixel definition is lost beyond 5ft.

The higher the resolution the smaller that distance becomes i.e. if you doubled the resolution to 2160p you would need to sit 2.5ft away to not lose any detail, in other words at a sensible viewing distance most people wont see the pixels in any case!

[ProjectVulcan]

Ahh yes LNDcalling i expected that argument.

It is true there is a limit to what you can see difference in resolution, of course there is a maximum limit from certain distance and size. I acknowledge that.

HOWEVER.

That limit is not really being tested too much by 1080p on a decent HDTV an average living room. YOU CAN TELL THE DIFFERENCE AND IT IS SIGNIFICANT. Whether its on a HDTV from 5 feet or on a screen up close. http://s3.carltonbale.com/r... This particular graph claims that 1080p on a 40 inch screen from 5 feet is fully noticeable. Indeed on a smaller set from 5 feet it would be. Anyone with a 42 incher or more would notice a good benefit as far away as roughly 8 feet.

You claim you can't see much difference but i am one of those that games in 1080p up close on a PC, AND on a 1080p HDTV in my living room from a distance.

Claiming that it is all lost beyond 5 feet is simply NOT true as there is still benefits, nor does everyone only have 40 inch screens. To be fair in developed countries thats actually a fairly modest screen size, with manufacturers pushing 42 inches and more. According to sales data customers are opting for bigger screen sizes because of all time low prices and they prefer it. 50 inch market share is increasing.

So it is a fact it is well within the range of average human eyesight on a good sized HDTV. There is diminishing returns beyond this, but there is also still a reason why even some existing generation console games run in 1080p or attempt higher resolutions. Otherwise they would be pointless.

Its a fact also backed up by everyone going out and buying Bluray players and 1080p HDTVs. Will you turn around and say if Bluray was only 720p nobody could tell the difference in their living rooms? Of course they could.

Why is 4k even being developed and being commercialised? Because you CAN tell the difference. If literally the limit is so low as you claim, all that other stuff is pointless too.

But obviously it isn't, I know that from common sense and first hand experience....

[Computersaysno]

1080p is noticeable for me in my living room. I also want 1080p standard too because it would help Pc games out and improve their standards. Assets and art built for a higher resolution. Ports to Pc would be better

There are more than basic one system benefits to moving to 1080p. 720p is ok but to cover more bases or situations 1080p is what you really want and if it stops there and thats the maximum then so be it.

[aquamala]

For everyone that think 720p is sufficient, if your ps3 has the option to play games at 1080p (let's say a setting under display settings on xmb), would you still play your games at 720p since its "sufficient"?

do you watch blu ray movies in 720p? since that is "sufficient".

[tee_bag242]

720p is great, 1080p is better, 1440p on a Big Monitor is even better.
I dont want to sound like an elitist pig, but I do all these resolutions so it sounds petty to hear people here gloating about 1080p being the bee's knees and somehow 720p is inferior.

What I care about the most is a frame rate with all the extra trimmings turned on ultra. Id rather 720p at 60fps ultra than 1440p at 30fps on mediium settings.

[badz149]

but their HD console is 7 years late and launch with 720p games?? WTF big N?? sacrificing 1080p for 60fps means that the console itself is not powerful enough to begin with! much like the GC compared to PS2 but they are in the same gen! so...this pretty much confirm that Wii U is indeed NOT a next gen console!

err...welcome to 7th gen Nintendo!

[GamingPerson]

how very 2003 of everyone compared to pc.

[LOL_WUT]

Ouch, well its been officially confirmed. ;)

[ChickeyCantor]

It does say "launch games"
It still implies that future games could go higher.

Just saying, cause most people don't know how to read.

"We might consider using 1080p, but, for example, if we want to get 60 fps, at a particular stage of development, it may seem 720p is more realistic.”"

You didn't read the article did you?

[Solid_Snake37]

unless it is a racing game, its pretty hard for it to happen....

[Lior]

Ow dear

[eagle21]

Oh dear, New Super Mario Bros. U will still be awesome in 720p. Oh dear, NSMB games haven't sold less than 25 million each. Oh dear, LAUNCH games mean no game will ever run at 1080p on WiiU /s. Oh dear....lol.

Our game sucks but hey it's 1080p..lol...well you can keep it cause i won't play it over 480p classics.

[Uncharted2Vet]

1080p exchanged for 720p with 60FPS im cool with that.

[Lior]

U idiot don't take this from Nintendo almost every decent pc can run 1080p with 60fps and a 2012 console cannot very sad

[PirateThom]

720p = 1280 x 720 = 921,600 pixels
1980p = 1920 × 1080 = 2,073,600 pixels

Yeah, barely any difference.

Again, it's 2012, can you even buy 720p TVs anymore?

[dark-hollow]

@piratetho

but the wii u have to stream to 1/2 480p controllers which also tax the hardware.

so we have 900000 pixels (720p) on the main screen, add to that 400000 pixels have to stream to the wii u controller, and dont even forget those games that can be played with TWO controllers and it all adds up to almost 2 million pixels!

[StraightedgeSES]

I see you don't know how to read the launch titles are 720 p not the console.

[godzilla72]

People actually still play games on a pc? Still stuck in the 90s i see. I can just picture you hunched over at your desk with a mouse and keyboard playing warcraft, haha. Go geek out you loser, while real gamers kick back with a REAL controller and REAL games. You sound like the idiot!

[Death_Grin48]

It's 720p for LAUNCH games, you idiot.

[Ju]

Screen on controller is a nice idea. But if i'd have a choice, I'd rather go hi res on one screen than half ass on two. I don't know. From an engineering standpoint to have a dump controller as a passive screen only is stupid. It should have its own CPU and offload those things to the controller. I'm wondering if it would really have cost so much more to have a little ARM in that thing which does that. Cost wise that's probably what was necessary to make it competitive. But you loose somewhere. In that case you still need to offset the additional load with what the console can handle. I'll wait if it's worth having that feature.

[StanSmith]

@godzilla72

You call Lior an idiot yet make stupid comments yourself.

Now I'm not a PC Gamer, but you do realise most PCs include HDMI output now don't you? You just hook it up to a TV and you can use a 360 wireless pad to play the games from the comfort of your couch.

The only person stuck in the 90s is yourself as it seems that you have not realised that technology has advanced to the point that PC gamers are no longer stuck at a desk.

*on topic*

If Nintendo just released the damn specs of the WiiU, we could put all this Power speculation to rest.

[ShaunCameron]

@ PirateThom

<Again, it's 2012, can you even buy 720p TVs anymore?>

Yes indeed. Where I live got plenty of those.

[Swagman2321]

godzilla72 - Real gamers play on X360/PS3. Not casual gaming on Kidtendo consoles

[StarCSR]

Real gamers play games on ALL consoles.

[Nutsack]

If it were technically very demanding games, with insane graphics and crazy physics, lets say a game like Uncharted, The Last of US or Ubisofts new Watch Dogs, I'd say yes if it got 60fps but reso has to be 720p agreed.

If its a New Super Mario, that looks about like the same game on Wii, or a Pikmin thats a tad sharper... No. That should have been 1080p AND 60fps.

Certainly for a console thats released in 2012. This just confirms that WiiU isn't really next gen. Its this gen. Next gen will start with Xbox 8 and PSOrbis, games in 1080p from the start.

Todays HDTV's are 1080p. This is the Wii all over again. Wii did 480p while 720p was already standard and 1080p was upcoming. WiiU releases and doesn't reach the current 1080p standard but goes 2005/2006 standard when 360/PS3 launched.

Weak Nintendo, weak. Recent comparisons of Batman on PS3 and WiiU show even something worse, PS3 version > WiiU version. And worse, WiiU game will be full price 50 to 60 bucks for an old recylced game that looks worse than on the other consoles, PS3 version will be 20 to 30 bucks around the time that WiiU will get it. Sad, just sad.

@ Deat_Grin

Thats what Sony sad about the PS3 too at its launch... They said games would be 1080p, but then the games arrived at 720p. And it never changed with a few exceptions. Mostly the launch games are not as demanding on textures and physics as the games lateron in the lifecycle of the console, and thus, it doesn't get easier to up the resolution it gets harder as more power is taken to do other technically impressive stuff.

[vallencer]

I find it funny that everyone is talking about these articles of how Batman doesn't look as good yet IGN said themselves that AC 3, which is a much much better looking game than Batman, looks great on the Wii U and noone should worry. So i wonder which one it is. I'm more inclined to believe IGN than the other websites.

I also find it funny that people think the Wii U won't do well. Alot of people who have a Wii will just upgrade to the Wii U because they already have all the controllers for the Wii. So for them "old recycled games" are new. You don't have to buy it but it's still going to do well.

[chukamachine]

Wow i got disagree's for telling people this.

WII U- Can either do.

720p with 4aa

1080p no aa possible 2aa depending on load.

[wishingW3L]

the difference between 720p to 1080p is pretty big and AA is not that demanding compared to frame-rate anyway. Your comment is all wrong and that's why people are disagreeing with you.

[WayneKerr]

I want to pre order one, But not one good release game.

I remember sony bagging on about 1080p and people laughing at 360 for 720p.

[chukamachine]

Incorrect again wayne, the media banged on about 1080p.

1080p is very nice if you have the rest to go with it. In this gen with current ram and gpu's 1080p is easily possible, but you would not have the fedelity you have in most games, i/e god of war 3, uncharted 1-2-3. Forza4 etc.

But i don't want next gen system pushing 1080p x4aa with the same looking graphics as this gen, would be a waste.

[KillerPwned]

Great not the best but I still am pumped its like with 360 and PS3 launch. The games were for the most part that I can remember 720p. It takes time get used to the hardware we cant expect the best right away at launch.

Bring on the Wii U cannot wait to get one.

[yabhero]

They mean native 720p, which means it can still upscale to 1080p better than ps3/360

[Nutsack]

Eh... You do know that the 360 upscales native 720p to 1080p too, right?

Second: the quality of upscaling depends on the hardware. As we haven't seen a WiiU doing some upscaling yet, it might as well be that the 360's ANA hardware upscaling chip outperforms the WiiU.

Have you looked at the comparison shots from Batman on PS3 and Wii? The PS3 version looks better... Where is that insane power you claim the WiiU has? 5 x as powerful as 360 or PS3? Lulz

[StanSmith]

Screenshots prove nothing nutsack. Nobody can judge Batman on WiiU until we have the full game in motion.

We have no idea what stage of development the WiiU shots are at. To claim superiority at this point is asinine.

[Lior]

U forget that upscalling will actually make it look worse than 1080p that's why most devs say the game runs better at 720p than at upscalled 1080p

[josephayal]

The WII U is a powerful Machine, a Powerful Machine

[yabhero]

I believe this too I just hope Ninty proves it soon to shit some of the haters up.
I know a bit about tech so 720p while streaming a 480p stream with 1/60 of a second of lag at 60 FPS. Even 720p with two streams of 480p content at 1/60 second lag at 30+ FPS is good.
My question is, if I just use the Pro controller or Wiimotes will it run at 60 FPS 1080p?

[Fishy Fingers]

Oh dear. After spending the last week drooling over gorgeous titles like Last of Us, Forza and GOW there's no way I could consider playing a game in 720p...

It's not a tech race with Nintendo. That pad, selling for a profit. It's not going to be godly, but still a good step up from the Wii.

[hellztourguide420]

uhhh...there are only like 5 titles between both xbox and ps3 that run native 1080p.

[Reborn]

Launch titles will run at 720p. Maybe down the line it will change?

[BitbyDeath]

It does say at launch so chances are these may just all be rushed titles to meet the launch window.

[jayzablade]

Maybe if a majority spent the time to read the article you might see lines such as....Nintendo game designer Katsuya Eguchi said in an interview that he believes 720p is “sufficient” for the kind of games Nintendo makes, and that the company will focus more on delivering games at 60 frames per second, rather than focusing on higher resolution like 1080p....or better yet....We might consider using 1080p, but, for example, if we want to get 60 fps, at a particular stage of development, it may seem 720p is more realistic....or better still....The Wii U technically supports 1080p

Fuckin fanboys, read titles 1st shit all over the article 2nd look stupid 3rd!!

[AO1JMM]

Have you read the comments above yours? Those people are far from the brightest individuals on the interwebz. It it typical of most discussion on N4G these days to completely ignore the actual post and just talk smack.

[jayzablade]

Yeah i did which is what made me take lines from the article to hopefully educate them on what was actually said rather than just speculate but if brains were chocolate, a majority wouldn't have enough to fill an M&M!!

[Drainage]

uncheck that box

[MrWonderful]

I'm no technical genius but ps3 can do games in native 1080p. Lair and ninja gaiden sigma are 2 I know off the top of my head. I also believe 360 has a few in that resolution.

[archemides518]

actually those games are not true 1080p, ninja gaiden sigma is 720p that it automatically upscales inside the game to 1080, and lair is "virtually" 1600x1080, so not full 1920x1080. but yes there are games on ps3 that render in true 1080p--marvel ultimate alliance, virtua tennis 3, full auto 2, sacred 2, ridge racer 7, fifa street 3 and others

[Nodoze]

This is what the Wii SHOULD HAVE BEEN. Not the next gen console. Come on Nintendo.

I love your software, but good god you are ALWAYS a generation behind.

[archemides518]

if they can't run a simple game like new super mario bros in 1080p 60fps then that is a bunch of bullcrap

[linkratos]

Let me guess, you started gaming in 2006.
But it does look like Nintendo might be a gen behind for the 2nd time.

[GuyManDude]

"ALWAYS"

SNES > Genesis
N64 > PS1
Gamecube > PS2

In the three previous generations, Nintendo has had technically/graphically superior consoles than one or more competitors at the time.

This is coming from someone who owned a Genesis, PS1, and PS2 during those three cycles.

[ChunkyLover53]

They aren't saying the Wii U cant run 1080 native, they are choosing to go after 60fps and still run a respectable 720. As of yesterday I recently found out a few of my friends still game on tube televisions, I personally own a TV capable of 1080, but my main gaming television in my room maxes out at 720.

I suspect not all PS4 or Xbox 720 games will be native 1080, people are getting all upset over something kind of small. Third party developers can still make games for Wii U at 1080.

Some of the best looking games this generation have been 720, like Uncharted and Killzone.

[etownthree]

I'm sorry but if can't run launch games at 1080p.

Then I'm definitely not getting a WiiU at launch.... Will wait 2-3 yrs when price drops and the good games come out.

[deletingthis34675334]

1280x720 or 2560x1600...I think I'll emulate this thing on my PC instead.

[bobtheimpaler]

I'm not bashing the Wii U, but Nintendo are in a really tight spot.

I just find it endlessly amusing how people bicker over the specs trying to argue that the WiiU is more powerful than the PS3 or 360. 6 year old hardware. With a small console and a paltry sized fan. The Wii U will have low total draw power or be loud as hell. No way this is going to be noticeably more powerful. If you need to rely on a site like Lens of Truth zooming into a few pixels to see the difference between the WiiU and current gen systems then the WiiU isn't truly next gen. Doesn't matter what the resolution is at this stage. Even if it's more powerful than consoles that came out 6 years ago, the difference is not a generational leap at all.

THE GAMES DO MATTER!!!! and they haven't done or showed a damn thing that makes me or, anyone outside the nintendo faithful, want one. I have a PS3 and I have an excellent PC which I recently upgraded with a 670 GPU. I wouldn't trade them in for a game pad screen when I can access these same features on systems now with the press of a button. Sorry, but the Wii U is still based on a gimmicky premise which devs will now have to come up with annoying and contrived ways to make it "look" useful. Rather than just having games with better design, and gameplay. Better animations, physics and AI that can really add to a game. I know, I bought a move controller and was stung by how casual my favourite FPS game, Killzone, had become(and before there's some stupid retort on this. I play many genres and like games with innovative game mechanics like LBP).

Nintendo should have enticed gamers who play on other systems by having an in house developed game that would appeal to perhaps a more mature demographic and really show off what the system could do. There's no point in only impressing the Nintendo faithful. You can't rely on geriatrics either...they make for lousy repeat business.

Nintendo have put themselves in a corner with the WiiU. A lot of people who bought the Wii would be concerned whether this will end up collecting dust and be a waste of money and space.

A lot of people are upgrading their PCs as this generation dies down. They either have these multiplatform games, even if it's only on PS3/360, or can get them really cheap on a steam sale or on Origin. I wouldn't spend money on a new console for a multiplatform title.

When the WiiU comes out Sony and MS will lower the price of the ps3 and 360 and they already have huge libraries with fantastic games. That will also hamper it's market share. Don't forget that people who already have a Wii likely have at least 2 of the above systems.

Can someone please explain why the people who aren't faithful to nintendo should spend $300 - $400 bucks on this system?

Not to bash the WiiU but when you consider all of the above. Where does it fit in for most people? I don't think people have been analysing that question enough.

[bobtheimpaler]

Lol. I get a few disagrees but no intelligent rebuttal. I guess there's truth to what I said.

Also keep in mind that this system isn't some crazy new architecture that is going to take a long time for developers to master. It's similar to the 360. There's not a lot to learn, so you're not going to see anything that's noticeably better than what were getting now if at all.

[KontryBoy706]

LOL at all these Nintendrones doing damage control. No matter how you spin it... nintendo has come out and said it will be 720p. Stop comparing it to the current gen. fact is this system should be running games at 1080p standard besides... we are talking about a 2D Mario game for crying out loud.

[M83_]

Does anyone else think that Nintendo just won't have the same success with wiiU?
Everyone that I know who bought a wii don't use it and thinks its a nice party piece that is good for the odd laugh but gets boring quickly.
With the market seemingly moving on the next big casual craze (cheap iOS games) who will buy their consoles? Casuals make wii what it is and now it appears they're gone.

I hope this is enough of a sign to kick Nintendo into making more great core games, new IPs and next gen past classics. If all this was met with ps4/720 competitive power, then I would consider buying it no problem.

[Ju]

That's what we (I think not just me?) would have expected. A showcase title for the current PS3/360 gamers. But exactly this did not happen. I don't really care about the tablet controller. Yeah, sure, I'd use it if they come up with something cool; but they also released a "hard core" controller. So, where were the "normal" games supporting this and squeezing everything out of the hardware (or at least so much that they would look significantly better than PS3/360). AC3 in 1080@4xAA, for example? Dedicate to the screen, not the controller. There must be some games which won't use the controller screen...Maybe this is possible and the studios don't want to show that (to cannibalize PS3/360 customers) but at least this would have given me a reason to "upgrade". Now, I am not so sure. By end of the year we'll see what's really up with all that.

[M83_]

That's basically my point as well. I wonder if the new controller really does tax the console that much?
But I fully agree with you, I like the pro controller and I want to see the core games at their full potential also.
Thing is, I doubt they'll actually have separate graphics for different controllers because that would mess things up.
I bet you can use multiple controller types for the upcoming smash bros game so it would be a negative thing to downgrade the graphics just because you're using the gamepad.
Nintendo isn't really about segregation. they always seem to want everything to work at the same level with different control inputs.

But I wish they would do what you suggested because that would seriously entice me into buying one. But I'll wait to see what Sony and Microsoft do first before I decide.

[Ju]

I think Nintendo will not allow devs to disable the controller. But if they won't allow that, it will always tax the GPU. What's the resolution on that controller? More than 960x540? It is a secondary frame buffer no matter what. It really depends if this can run e.g. slower than the main FB (or async to it) and allows them to safe some cycles. In some cases I can imagine, there is no need to run all effects and a high refresh rate on the controller (if a map refreshes with 10fps, that should be good enough). But if on, it will tax the GPU (and memory) - even if you play it with the Pro controller. If they scale between on/off, games played with the Pro would look different than played with the pad.

[zavierkai]

They are just talking about games like Mario 2d and games like Nintendo land,Wario were, those kind of games do not need 1080 resolution.Wait for Metroid,star fox,Zelda and Mario in 3d graphics and third party games then will see it true potential.The Wii U is truly a next gen console but Nintendo doesn't now how to work on it.There are going to bring us some good AAA games later next year this is just the beginning of a new era for the big N give them a opportunity so they can put their shit together.The truly gamer will play with all console. game on players.

[AO1JMM]

Nothing but a bunch of WiiU haters. I laugh at every single one of you that actually thought Nintendo would bring out a machine capable of pushing graphics (insert your imagination here).

[gk07]

still getting me 1 tho : )

[Grimhammer00]

If you consider a few facts - you'd see the WiiU for what it really is.

I can quote the crappy charge time and game pad use. I can quote the 30fps if two. Controllers are used. Or the 30min moderated miiuneverse posts.

But I'd rather have the ninites consider a few other issues. The Wii has nearly no 3rd party support...e3 showed little is going to change that with wiiU. Reggie even said that he believes they'll come eventually....but refuses to attempt to attract 3rd part support (like the other two).

What has made wii successful is casuals, fitness & gimmicky controls. Now, all that had worn off..so they are trying to get people to believe the wiiU has a tablet controller. Lol

Ninny knows their target market and they know that more mature, violent action (shooter primarily) is against their image mostly. So of course they say they won't compete with MS & Sony over third party titles.

But....I think ninny with their barely better than current gen WiiU , might surprise us with an ultra cheap launch price. If its not $299 or less it will bomb. I find it suspect that so many AAA titles on 360/ps3 are launching throughout early 2013. It will kill Ninny big time.

Just some observations. It might sound like I hate nintendo. But I really don't. They just don't get it. And are happy with their current gen marketing. Can't blame them. Stay back a gen allowed them to keep costs down on hardware & 1st party development. No reason to suspect that would change for WiiU.

[Ck1x]

I love how people are saying that WiiU is weak because of this news... Multiplat games that are taxing 360/ps3 are running native 720p on WiiU while it's rendering images on a seperate screen alltogether. Not that the games are native 720p on 360/ps3, because most of these graphically intense games aren't rendering @ 720p. The ps3 can only do HDR or AA if it even wishes to render close to 720p on intense games, so yes most of the late amazing games are taxing these systems and trying to use every graphical effect possible to stay relevant. But if developers are saying that they can achieve games rendered in 1080p on WiiU eventually, then this system is way more powerful than the current generation hands down.

[cyhm3112]

lol at those stupid nintendo fanboys fooled by gimmicks and lies aiming to steal your money. Satoru Iwata will be laughing if WiiU sells well. He will think like we have tricked these stupid idiots again,hahaha just like what they did for Wii,hahaha

[Ck1x]

And as someone else pointed out, here's the difference from what the WiiU will be able to do vs what systems this generation barely can!

720 x 576 = 414,720 pixels 
1024 x 600 = 614,400 (This is where most 360/ps3 games normally render)
1280 x 720 = 921,600 (720p)
1920 x 1080= 2,073,600 (1080p)
Big difference between 720p and 1080p people! It eats up alot of resources just to be able to render in true HD reslolutions. Not to mention that WiiU probably has 3x the amount of Ram as current generation systems as well

[stuna1]

Coming from someone who had planned on getting a WII U, spin it how you like, but facts still remain the WII U is not what nintendo said it would be plain and simple!!!!

For your info, all first party games for ps3 are native 720p resolution! Some are even 1080p, any that are below that are usually 3rd party titles that have been gimped anyway.

The reasoning behind people blasting the WII U and Nintendo is because they have made claims with no substance! Why do you think they are being so coy about everything now? Because they are hoping lightening strikes twice...

People are going to believe what they want to regardless, but the signs are there to back the facts! You would have to be literally braindead to not see their angle, it's the pad that they plan on selling their console on. It's also their gimmick.

[Ck1x]

I promise you that I don't care to spin anything for Nintendo! Did they fail to showcase the WiiU in the proper light at e3? Absolutely! But it's stupid for people to claim that the system is weaker or just on par with 360/ps3. And do some research because none of the more graphical intense games are rendering 720p on ps3. Upscaling maybe but not rendering though. As I stated above in a previous post, ps3 can only use HDR or AA but not both at the same time. So when the system can't even run or use the same effects as the WiiU @ 720p mind you, how do you guys figure its only on par with these systems? Take the WiiU out of the equasion, even if this were a PC with the same specs it would be foolish to think that the PC is only marginally better than those 2 systems.

[Prince_Dim-Lu]

What's wrong with 720p?

Most PS3 games and 360 games are 720p or less.

[ash_divine]

The WiiU is supposed to be a NEXT-gen console.

It should be wiping the floor with the PS3/360. But so far all we've seen is stuff that just barely matches the current gen.

[sway_z]

Welcome to the HD era Nintendo!

Now let's say we give a great gaming company (who's never been about powerful) with the creative talent, endearing, fun, childlike game qualities a chance?

Nintendo is the Disney of video games....they're not trying to compete with MS/Sony.

You want mature, unadulterated games? Then you don't buy a Nintendo system...if you want games that provoke the imagination, games that take you back to your childhood, and keeps the family happy, then Nintendo's the choice.

>Now excuse me whilst I get back to Max Payne on my PS3 ;)

[BrianC6234]

Talk about lazy. And to say that's enough for the kinds of games Nintendo makes just doesn't make sense. You don't need 1080p for cartoony games?

[Kratos_Thy_God]

Lmfao, how sad. I'm guessing nintendo expected us to think that wii u games would run in 480p. Everybody clap now. How nintendo is going to release a supposedly *next gen* system. With a cpu, gpu that is on par or worse with current gen consoles, is mind baffling, i don't understand, i see history repeating when ps4, nextbox come out. How can we expect ports if they can't even get current gen ports right?

[Kratos_Thy_God]

"We might consider using 1080p, but, for example, if we want to get 60 fps, at a particular stage of development, it may seem 720p is more realistic."

- Basically he's saying the wii is too weak running games 1080p/60fps/30fps, current gen console confirmed, how fucking sad... Nintendo what a letdown.

[Paballo]

Well to be honest I am somewhat surprised and not surprised..
Remember in 2006 when xbox and ps2 games looked better than wii launch games and wii was supposedly next gen and twice as powerful the last gen gamecube?
I feel like history going to repeat itself with ps3/360 games looking better on the multiplatform side but as time goes on Wii U games will start looking better especially exclusives and 1st party games from Nintendo

[CoryHG]

Damn, it just keeps failing. But zombi u will save all.

[corroios]

What!!! Are you kidding me. A new console in 2012 that cant do a Super Mario Bros or a Pikmen at 1080...Sorry but those game are not demanding like an FPS.

This means if they have a Call of duty game it will be also sub-hd, like the PS3 and xbox360.... Way cool....

[guitarse]

When I saw that title my first thought was "well I should f**king hope so".

[tigertron]

720p? *checks calender* hmmm, it says 2012 on mine. I guess Nintendo's says 2006.

Hopefully later games will run in full 1080p.

[Kurylo3d]

Is anyone seeing this as a repeat of the nintendo gamecube failure lol. Its ok nintendo.. sometimes u strike gold... sometimes u strike out.

[Funky Town_TX]

If the P4 and xbox720 pull this crap I will be PC gaming only. I got a 1080p TV I want 1080p content.

[user9841288]

Who still has 720P tvs? I don't even think they sell them at places like Walmart or have for a few years. It's time for 1080P gaming