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Work On New Xbox One First Party Games Has Started, Bringing Steam Games On Xbox Is Hard – Spencer

While the Xbox One is currently secured in terms of hardware, services, and features, the one area it is notably lacking in is quality exclusive games, owing mostly to Microsoft's shockingly weak showing in this area over the last few years.

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XiNatsuDragnel2386d ago (Edited 2386d ago )

Oh boy I can't wait and see in 5 years!? Steam excuse oh boy look at PS4 and Switch getting steam version like Kit kaks

-Foxtrot2386d ago

5 years...by the time we've hopefully forgotten and they can say once again how first party games are coming...in another 3-5 years.

Like what they said in 2013, then every year since.

uptownsoul2385d ago (Edited 2385d ago )

Yeah...Here an N4G post about Phil Spencer's "Unannounced" 1st party studios...back in 2014 ( http://n4g.com/news/1487019... )...Let me know when we actually see more than just him talking about it

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Mr Pumblechook2385d ago (Edited 2385d ago )

'Has started'? Four years into a generation and work has only started now - madness. Did Microsoft not think it important to prioritise development of exclusives beforehand?

UltraNova2385d ago (Edited 2385d ago )

Even though I've learned that I should never trust MS's word, on anything, and now Phil's as well, I'm willing to give them the benefit of the doubt on this one simply because the uproar on the lack of exclusives has been particularly loud. So I believe (want to beleive) MS has indeed ordered some exclusives for the xbox.

When do I expect them? 2020 at the earliest. Those games will most probably launch on both current and next gen xbox simultaneously.

PeaSFor2385d ago (Edited 2385d ago )

Sad how many loyalists are getting 'played' by Phil and MS, AGAIN!

Death2385d ago

It’s sad how many concerned PlayStation fans are first in an article about Xbox. You guys seem very insecure.

nix2385d ago

Next E3, we'll get to see the teaser. Two years later a full blown trailer. 2 years later, game cancelled.

That's what is going to happen.

-Foxtrot2385d ago (Edited 2385d ago )

@Death

Not a PS fanboy...just calling people on their shit like I usually do

Critic4l_Strik32385d ago

@uptown
Haha, the first comment right there XD

Prem8tuaProcrastin8a2385d ago

WTF are you talking about, Sony has had 1 YEAR when they had more AAA exclusives than Xbox all gen, this 1. XBOX brought plenty games out after they said that in 2013, but everyone was too busy counting pixels. Have you forgotten about Sony THEMSELVES saying their exclusive lineup for 2014/15 was "SPARSE", so they would have to rely on 3rd party? I swear, some of you guys live on a different planet, in your heads, Attempting to rewrite history, 1 day at a time.

GamingIVfun2385d ago (Edited 2385d ago )

This kind of shot pisses me off. They should have been working on more first party content all along instead of canceling what little they had in the works. Instead of spending so much money on advertising, that just becomes white noise anyway, use some of that money to make good first party games. Phil saying they are starting work on more first party content this late in the generation, really, people are smarter than this nonsense. We may or may not see new games at the very end of the generation with maybe months before the new one starts.

Why o why2385d ago (Edited 2385d ago )

Concerned. . Not at all as I don't own one but it's sure funny watching the damage control and hypocrisy. Yeah we know. Exclusives don't matter. . . . . Until one or two pop up. Banter aside why would you expect droves of ps owners to an x or 1x if there isn't a significant number of exclusive titles or a strong backlog to pick from?
I'll probably do the same as last gen and grab a Xbox when the price comes down for starters but that won't matter if there's not enough games full stop. Don't kid yourself. . I'm not buying it for multis and I'm sure I'm not in the minority in that thinking

hamburgerhill2385d ago

This is some seriously good news! Finally MS wants to step it's game up and take gaming on Xbox serious. I would have loved for things to be different but it is what it is. Fantastic news at the right time!

Gman322385d ago

you guys love to come on here and talk about how MS has no games everytime theres article MS or phil is lying get a life and enjoy the system you have stop worrying what MS is doing

Why o why2385d ago (Edited 2385d ago )

Gman32

Mana not worried. Phil has stated this before and he did so because he knew it was a major defficiency.

http://n4g.com/news/1487019...
over 3 and a half years ago my friend ...

...I'm not the first to put this link in here but it seems, like many others, you've either missed it or ignored it. Just look at the comments expressing hope and appreciation at words which ultimately became rhetoric.

-Foxtrot2385d ago

Yeah those old articles back when he first said it are FILLED with hope. People actually believed and wanted them to follow though. So when people can go on like this is a biased website look at what it was like back then...the only reason comment sections on site like this turn bias towards one company is when the other companies are f****** up over and over.

What do you expect. It's why even people now like myself who see the bullshit (personally I saw the bullshit back then off Phil and was always disagreed to death) are called Sony fanboys when really it's just because they are naturally doing better, out of the big three.

I mean have you seen Shawn Layden running his mouth constantly? No. Want to know why? Because there is a time and place. Next time we'll here these suits talk the most with be around the start of December during the VGAs and the PSX.

AngelicIceDiamond2385d ago

@Uptown Those games in 2014 either released already or got cancelled. So I dunno what you're talking about.

Kryptix2385d ago (Edited 2385d ago )

Mainly a PC gamer and even I can admit that it's pathetic to see people swallow Phil Spencer's words every moment they get.

And it matters to me because whatever comes to Xbox in the first party department goes to PC also. And I haven't seen anything amazing like what the PS4 and Switch is getting from MS because you Xbox fanboys keep praising the hardware and not being loud enough where it matters most for a console.

Acting like a new Forza, Gears 4, 2 indie games is enough. GTFO.
I'm just glad at least on PC, I don't have to rely on MS and AAA devs doing lootcrate fiestas for me because Steam is filled with great games, new and old. And on Xbox...well...you get what you get.

S2Killinit2384d ago

MS prioritized advertising campaigns over making games. Check out sports illustrated review of xbox. That sort of thing becomes important when a console cant speak through its games.

darthv722384d ago

you guys are looking at it all wrong. Since it doesnt say "when" it started and only says has started... it can be assumed we know work has started for some time. Perhaps next years E3 we will see some results from the stated $1b investment in new games.

new games take time, I believe horizon was in development back in 2011 and only came out some 5+ years later. Nobody knew about it until it was shown off a couple years ago. Who is to say there aren't games in development for that same amount of time in Redmond. They just havent talked about them because they arent at a point to discuss.

trooper_2384d ago (Edited 2384d ago )

I never take what Microsoft says seriously. They canceled games that most likely had potential and screw over their fans in the first party department.

rainslacker2384d ago (Edited 2384d ago )

@Prema

"Have you forgotten about Sony THEMSELVES saying their exclusive lineup for 2014/15 was "SPARSE", so they would have to rely on 3rd party? I swear, some of you guys live on a different planet,"

Which planet would you live on, because on this one, Sony was talking about one holiday season, and not 2 whole years?

" Attempting to rewrite history, 1 day at a time."

Like you did with your comment?

Seriously though, Sony has had a pretty decent stream of exclusives. They've had slow months, but every year since launch, they've had more 1st party exclusives release than MS has, and whatever Sony is doing, it doesn't excuse the fact that MS has an abysmal output of 1st party games, and an even worse 2nd party supply of games, or that xbox fan boys like to go around acting like everything is fine, even though they trashed Sony for that one holiday, when even in that holiday, Sony had more 1st party games release than MS has had/will have all this year.

Anyhow, when I go around giving MS a hard time about their 1st party output, it's because they've been saying stuff like this since Phil took over. As an X1 owner, it's extremely disappointing.

The reason I wont just take Phil at his word is because he's been saying this all gen, and I still remember the billion dollars they supposedly had invested in games.

I remember how Phil went on saying he wasn't going to announce games early, because apparently gamers don't like that. But he's been saying that since the beginning as well. But he's been saying that for several years now, and yet, no games to announce for 2017 or 2018? But more promises that if we wait another few years, they'll be ready to show something, because they finally got some games going.

The reason I'm not excited about this current announcement is because it's nothing new from Phil, and given that we're four years into the generation, are we supposed to be excited that they'll finally have something by year seven or eight? Am I supposed to expect MS to actually release those on the OGX1(which I have)? MS already went on record to say they delayed games for the X1 launch, and I wouldn't doubt they do the same thing for whatever new distraction they come up with the PS5 launches, and the new gen actually comes.

dcbronco2384d ago

He promised games a few years ago and they were making them. Fable, SoT, Crackdown, Scalebound, Recore, Quantum Break. You fanboys are like nazis with telling the same lies over and over until people believe them. But your fellow fanboys are the only ones stupid enough to bite.

Ceaser98573612384d ago

UPTOWNSOUL

Thnx for the link, Look at those comment.. Xbox fanboys are talking about EXCLUSIVES and how great it is.. and now 2017 all of a sudden.. Exclusives doesn't matter for them.. I was laughing reading at those comments back in 2014 where they were taking a dig at Sony.... man! Karma is a B...

UltraNova2384d ago

@uptownsoul

Went to the link you provided.

Someone needs to do a thesis on the psycology of people who do massive 180s and completely 'forget' about their prior convictions/beliefs when they change from 'phase 1 to phase 2' (there's a free academic characterization). They can even expand their data analysis to the inevitable 'reverse 180' for when these subjects do a 'reverse 180' (another free term right there) meaning going from phase 2 back to phase 1 again.

Many-hat52384d ago

Foxtrot,
You have, along with many others, been a stalwart against Loot boxes, and I respect that. Please don't lower yourself to the Blah, Blah, debates.

morganfell2384d ago (Edited 2384d ago )

"Even though I've learned that I should never trust MS's word, on anything, and now Phil's as well, I'm willing to give them the benefit of the doubt on this one simply because the uproar on the lack of exclusives has been particularly loud."

Really? let me ask you a question. When you were a kid how many times did you touch the hot stove before you learned your lesson?

"It’s sad how many concerned PlayStation fans are first in an article about Xbox. You guys seem very insecure."

Let me fix that for you

...concerned gamers...

The sooner everyone stops supporting a company that doesn't make games but takes a chunk of gaming money, the sooner real gamers will benefit. That's right, I said it. If you continue to support this charlatan you are harming gaming.

UltraNova2384d ago (Edited 2384d ago )

@morganfell

Fair question, but common we are talking about xbox fans here...maybe they like their stove hot to the touch?

I'm kidding (not really).

In all seriousness, can you honestly say that MS has no exclusives in the pipeline or that they have effectively abandoned all 1st party game production? Because I cant.

morganfell2382d ago

The proof of the pudding is in the eating. They have no exclusives in the pipeline. None. Zero. Nada. Zilch. Null. They may have some games like Crackdown and Sea of Thieves but those are not exclusives. They're also bound for the PC.

As for other games they may be starting something now but I really don't see MS studios having anything going. They may purchase some third party rights over the winter to show at E3. But they themselves really aren't doing anything. They have almost no 1st party dev houses in the first place. And games only on Xbox and PC will be something they moneyhat.

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zaherdab2385d ago

What is the steam on swotch exactly ? I jist see bathesta doin some poeting of existing games which isnt innovation by no means ....

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Mulando2385d ago

He is not talking about a "steam"-version thing, it is about full steam-support which is hard because of licenses etc. But would work if they would provide something like a virtual "Windows 10" with all managed drivers. Than steam wouldn't be a problem, but that won't happen.

If developers want to release a game on the platform or not is up to the developers/publishers and to the licensing issues (like e.g. sony has bought the exclusive console-rights for all double-fine games (e.g. remakes of old lucasarts adventures))

maybelovehate2385d ago

Hard for MS to make money lol.. Which is understandable but yeah, Steam working on Xbox would be easy as far as technically.

Xx_Pistol_xX2385d ago

@Death Playstation fans are just pointing out that your being lied to.

Chevalier2385d ago

" It’s sad how many concerned PlayStation fans are first in an article about Xbox. You guys seem very insecure."

Strange how Death ONLY craps on the Playstation fans when not a single person mentioned PS4. So it can't be PC customers with the same concerns?! Death being a fanboy as usual.

notachance2385d ago (Edited 2385d ago )

they already know they're being lied to, hell even I'm suspicious they like being lied to

look at 'cloud power', you see any of those fanboys called out MS for that BS?
no, they gladly forgive and forget even though they've been defending that for years without proof

here, mark my words, all those 'enhancements' happened because MS paid for it in order to sell XB1X, one or two years from now the difference will be negligible because they couldn't be bothered to pay the extra work needed to optimise the game, and all those fanboys will gladly take those up their butt because MS divert their attention to next-gen console teaser, which won't happen until few years later.

AngelicIceDiamond2385d ago

As I stated above those games in 2014 either released or got cancelled. Fable Legends, Scalebound, Phantom Dust Reboot cancelled. Sunset Overdrive, Quantum Break, Ori & The Blind Forest, Forza Horizon 2, Halo Master chief collection, have been released Crackdown 3 releasing next year. So there isnt this pretend void in the past 3 to to 4 years of MS not releasing anything. So much for being lied to either know your history or get off that make believe agenda.

That goes to all PS fanboys on here.

Why o why2384d ago (Edited 2384d ago )

C'mon angelic. . You're one of the guys I'd listen to and reason with. If you think they aren't underperforming in output then I'd have to ask where you've been. Cancellations happen, delays happen but the talk back then wasn't about individual titles but about a change in ethos and output, internal output especially. How many new Ip's? ? How many 3rd party exclusives? . Tally them up and it's not benefiting of a brand with the best financial foundations.

I don't expect you to listen to Sony fans or fanboys but surely you've seen the growing number of Xbox fans who defended in the past now questioning and voicing dissatisfaction. What do you say to them guys? . You can't call them fanboys. Banter aside surely you can see ms are falling behind and it's not just Sony fans trolling

trooper_2384d ago (Edited 2384d ago )

@Chavelier

It's called insecurity. Death knows the truth. He just chooses to cover his head and 'lala' to the wind.

rainslacker2384d ago

There are numerous things that can be pointed out about MS "lying", although I'd probably say it's just over promising with no real motivation to follow through. I'm sure there is some truth in the statements, but the extent of that truth is clouded by ambiguity that MS never clarifies.

This is one such example. No talk about what studios are working on new 1st party games, or what new 1st party studios they actually have, since there is nothing that suggest they have procured more beyond that indie geared one.

No matter how often those things are pointed out to those who defend Spencer's constant PR statements trying to portray himself, and MS as actively trying to fix the biggest criticism they are receiving, it's ignored, and the default argument becomes, "PS fan boys are insecure".

It really defies logic, because even if one were a fan boy, I'd imagine they'd still want more games, and they certainly want to use those games as ammo in this console war. But as consumers, the utter rolling over to accept whatever MS puts out as more than enough, and the best thing ever, is rather disappointing.

If Sony's overall output dropped to even double of what MS is doing now, I would be all over them saying, "WTF Sony, where are the games?". I'd be increasingly pissed that they constantly talked about how they had all these games coming, and if they went years with no track record to show that that was the case, I wouldn't be lapping it up like a starving dog at the dinner table.

To me, some MS fan boys are more interested in protecting their console of choice, as opposed to protecting their own interest. The fact that they're all over multi-plats being better on X1X now, with nary a mention of what 1st party games MS does have coming soon in the past year, is more than evident that they care more about MS than they do themselves.

It's much easier to just say that it's all PS fan boys complaining, and that MS is doing great, and that they are providing for their user base, but it's MS who spent the last year and a half with 90% of everything they taked about being new hardware that you had to buy, just to play multi-plats and your old games better. If MS fan boys actually looked out for their own interests, they'd actually be criticizing MS more, because ultimately, it's going to get them a lot more than the short lived satisfaction of trying to make others look like fan boys of a competing console. Seriously....more games, or some meaningless satisfaction on a forum where you get a few people who agree with you to validate your console preference? I'd always choose more games myself.

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fenome2385d ago

Best lineup in gaming history! More "exclusive" launch titles than any console ever. More bullets fired and miles walked, more transactions bought, yada yada.

He's been talking since this gen started, put up or shut up. Actions speak louder.

S2Killinit2384d ago

I call these “Spencer said” articles. Its for reassurence.

BLKxSEPTEMBER2385d ago

Oh I see what you did there hahaha! By the way how's Deep Down I haven't had a chance to pick it up yet...

XiNatsuDragnel2385d ago

XD Nice one that's funny too how's Scalebound? I hear that game was good should I buy it?

3-4-52385d ago

Well they are making them for next gen not this one. Don't be fooled and actually think those games are for the XB1.

They will be playable on the XB1X, but they are being built for the next gen in 2020.

81BX2384d ago

I don't own a Xbox and I constantly troll but oh boy, I can't wait to see a game in 5 yrs

starchild2384d ago

Microsoft need to do much better in this regard. Their competitors put out much more high quality exclusives and if they want to compete and do well against them they need to provide the same kinds of experiences.

Zeref2384d ago

Brother, I don't think he means work literally just begun lol. I'm sure next E3 will be great for Xbox.

XiNatsuDragnel2384d ago

Hopefully nii san. If not me and my guild about to destroy a HQ.

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Prem8tuaProcrastin8a2384d ago

He didn't say that they had just started work now, he said at E3 they were working on some games that were too early to show. Oh and btw, ms bought the gears i.p in 2014, 2 years later we had gears 4, so not every game has to take 5 years to make.

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Ashlen2386d ago (Edited 2386d ago )

So, no play anywhere for PUBG, no baseball game, no Steam (obviously) and the absolute vaguest statement possible about new first party games.

No one can say nothing better than Phil... That's why he gets paid the big bucks...

RpgSama2385d ago

Wow, they started in 2017, good for them, hope they are ready by the Xbox TWO X release, because they sure as hell ain't going to be ready for this generation.

What a pathetic statement coming from a compulsive lier like Phil Spencer, he would and has said anything just to save face.

sammarshall1022385d ago

What has Phil Spencer lied about?

DialgaMarine2385d ago (Edited 2385d ago )

@sammarshall

Let’s start here: http://www.gameinformer.com...

DJStotty2385d ago

He stated work has started. Didnt say when. could have been last year or year before.

No play anywhere between xbox - steam -origin is what he is saying due to licensing. Play anywhere between xbox - windows 10 is fine

And no 1st party baseball game - so could possibly be a 3rd party game coming

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sammarshall1022385d ago

@DialgaMarine He just said he doesn't like it, that doesn't mean it isn't necessary. This year Microsoft needed Cuphead and Pubg even if it is timed

skiggy342385d ago

This is the first year MS didnt put out many exclusives. Every year up until 2017 this gen had a few big budget games. 2018 has 3 right off the bat. Stop using your opinion on games as a reason to say Xbox has no games. I am very much looking forward to State of Decay 2 (SoD 1 scored a 9+), Crackdown 3 (previous crackdowns scored 8+) and Sea of Thieves which looks super fun! Thats only what we know now and I'll bet MS has some big stuff coming. Anything Sony can do you have to figure MS "can" do 3x more.

RpgSama2385d ago

@Skiggy34

Well, you know what they say, just because you can doesn't mean you will.

Cyborgg2385d ago

@DialgaMarine

I remember that

UCForce2385d ago (Edited 2385d ago )

@sammarshall102 Then why MS extended PUGB exclusive ?

AngelicIceDiamond2385d ago

Yep as of November 21, 2017 they started 1st party games....how stupid can you actually be....

HyperMouse2384d ago

@DialgaMarine How would you know what Phil loves, maybe he only likes it like a friend

thatguyhayat2384d ago

Sammarshall102

Everything when became head of xbox. He made the xbox irrelevent this gen.

DJStotty2384d ago

At the end of the Day Phil is turning the brand around. I know not many Sony fans like it but thats how it is.

If it wasnt for him we would have kinect 3 right now. He is cutting the fat and building a better platform, that takes time

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Mr_Writer852385d ago

@skiggy

"Anything Sony can do you have to figure MS "can" do 3x more."

What? How do you work that out? You do know that Sony have more studios producing exclusive games?

Logic would tell you that its nearly impossible for MS studios to match Sony's volume of producing games let alone 3 times more.

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Why o why2384d ago

He's talking about their finances. ....the irony that they have the most money but invest the least is lost on him. Guys like him must factor into why ms doesn't feel like they need to do more. Why bother when every misstep is defended so vehemently.

mkis0072384d ago

Money always wins? MS has always had more money than sony and has never won. They don't recognize talent as well as sony does, and they definitely take less risks. Them getting a game like cuphead is the exception rather than the rule.

Mr_Writer852384d ago

But how can they do 3 x more when despite having the money, they don't have that money invested in actually making games?

Also does the Xbox division 3 times more money than Sony's playstation division? I find that a little hard to believe.

Microsoft owns the Xbox division, but that doesn't mean that Xbox has access to all of MS fortune.

Same applies to Sony and PlayStation.

It's like a sports team, if the sports team is bought buy a billionaire, that team doesn't suddenly have the same wealth as its owner. He/she chooses how much to give them. However the owner has access to the teams money and can take money from said team if they wish.

Also as I said Xbox don't have more resources than PlayStation in terms of game studios, I can't remember the exact number but about a year ago Sony (PlayStation) had double the studios that MS (Xbox) have.

Again logic would tell you that if you have twice as many studios working for you, your going to produce twice as many games.

Which they do.

ONESHOTV22384d ago

Sony fans are so easy to please just create a stale third person action game with stealth and QTE and they eat it up lol talk about low standards btw i I'm a pc/ps gamer

Mr_Writer852384d ago

@oneshot

Why would you own a PS4 if the exclusives are all " stale third person action game with stealth and QTE" type games.

I mean it's clearly not for 3rd party games as you own a PC.

So either...

A) You're lying and don't own a PS4

B) You're being a hypocrite and have also bought these games yourself.

C) Don't own either a PC or a PS4 and lack the intelligence to make a well thought out argument. And are just an butt hurt Xbot

D) A troll

IIIIIII2384d ago (Edited 2384d ago )

@ONESHOTV2 Xbox fans are even easier to please, just create.......nothing...

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FallenAngel19842385d ago

Shouldn’t work on first party Xbox One games have already started since the beginning of the generation? What happened to that $1 billion investment towards exclusives in 2013?

nowitzki20042385d ago

Forza, Forza Horizon, Forza and then Forza Horizon

Rude-ro2385d ago (Edited 2385d ago )

Missing a couple forzas from this gen 😂

Relientk772385d ago

Also those real cars they bring on stage to reveal Forza each year lol

StormLegend2385d ago

And let's not forget 2 billion on Minecraft lol

rainslacker2384d ago

Minecraft was brought by MS proper, not the devices division which handles Xbox.

The Xbox division now handles Minecraft, but I don't think the 2 billion they spent on it came out of Xbox's budget.

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sammarshall1022385d ago

Gears 4, Halo 5, Sunset Overdrive, Dead Rising 3 and 4, Forza Horizon 2 and 3, Halo: MCC, Killer Instinct, Forza 6, Ryse, Quantum Break, Gears Ultimate, Recore, Scalebound (millions wasted) Fable Legends (millions wasted) Halo Wars 2, Ori, D4

There's most of the money spent

Prince_TFK2385d ago

People here will downvote you for posting facts.

DialgaMarine2385d ago

Gears Ultimate and Halo MCC? I guess we can count the Uncharted Collection and TLoU Remastered as big investments as well then. Thanks.

Yikes, look at all that shovelware and rehashes. Quite the lineup lol

UCForce2385d ago

Well, some of them are not exclusive because they are also on PC.

sammarshall1022385d ago (Edited 2385d ago )

@Kun_ADR I love Sony and Microsoft and sometimes I wonder if people try to purposely ignore Xbox before 2017. 2013-2016 all I had was a Xbox One and I had plenty of games

@DialgaMarine Gears Ultimate is a remake with new assets not the same as a remaster and so is Halo 2 in Halo MCC they obviously cost more than just upping the resolution

Regardless, they aren't free

notachance2385d ago

here's a statement from 2013:

'The executive noted that the company is planning to invest more than $1 billion for new content, including 15 internally developed titles in the coming year, eight of which will be brand new IP.'

you see eight new first-party IP in there?
no?

......

skiggy342385d ago

Lol thats a very decent amunt of games. Lots pf those games came when PS4 had nothing. The first 3yrs of PS4 there was like 1 AAA title a year and none of these down voting losers acknowledge that. Sony fans are like democrats on CNN. PS4 finally has 1 "ok" year and now Sony fanboys act like the PS4 has been giving them exclusives the entire gen. Up until this year the narrative was power. Once the X was announced that narrative switched to games. Its hypocrisy at its best. At least we are starting to see some media completely forget about PS now that the X is out. "1 ok year" means Horizon (IMO) was no more than mediocre, Nioh was good(but not 1st party) and the rest suck IMO. Uncharted 4 was the worst it the series. TLOU and God of War 3 are Sonys best games.

AngelicIceDiamond2385d ago

Plus advertisements for all those. They downvote when you say something right and they can't rebuttal, they absolutely can't prove you wrong so you win.

HyperMouse2384d ago

Facts have no place in internet arguments, also Cup head :)

rainslacker2384d ago (Edited 2384d ago )

The billion in investment came after the launch, so SSOD,Ryse wouldn't be included in the list. Same with KI, although I'll include the subsequent seasons in for giggles

So, lets break down the numbers based on what is the general budget for those games based on their scope

Gears 4- $100 million(with marketing)
Halo 5 - $100 million(with marketing)
Forza x4 games - $30 million each = $120 million
Halo MCC - $10 million
KI - $20 million
QB - $50 million(small dev, risky new IP)
Gears ultimate - $10 million
Recore - $10 million
Scalebound - $50 million
Fable Legends - $40 million

So, that's 510 billion....give or take

Logic would dictate, that they should have about twice as many games as that list alone....although I'm sure we missed a few games in that list, but not 1/2 billon worth

Now, maybe MS put another 1/2 billion into marketing all those games....in which case, good for the gamer right? You get that list of games, and MS squanders half a billion on marketing. Guess you can always play that award MS won for spending the most money on advertising last year.

@Kun

People downvote him because he doesn't know what he's talking about.

TheVetOfGaming2384d ago

That's since Xbox one released. That isn't great.

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xX-oldboy-Xx2385d ago

Most of that was for the NFL deal, remember - TV, TV, TV, TV.

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lelo2play2385d ago

"Work On New Xbox One First Party Games Has Started..."

Only now!!!
What the f**k have you guys been doing all these years?

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Rimeskeem2385d ago

Trying to compete with PC then surrendering and putting any exclusives they may have had on PC.

Gamist2dot02385d ago

Playing with the weather...and still no sight of the cloud.

rainslacker2384d ago

Telling people they were already making them, or would soon Sadly, we haven't seen anything new in a while, so Spencer will have to forgive me if I don't take him at his word here....or even think if MS will release them for this generation if they are only just beginning. even if they've been working for a bit of time, the wording here generally means that it's a more recent development.

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Relientk772385d ago

2013 - Xbox One releases
2017 - Work on first party games finally starts

Wow, ridiculous

the_massive2385d ago

You are the epitome of why no one in the industry talks about anything. GG.

UCForce2385d ago

Well, he isn’t wrong. Their competition is getting ahead and MS are lagging behind. MS should have started doing this in first place.

bluefox7552385d ago (Edited 2385d ago )

Because he's tired of the BS? We all are. Not even the fanboys show up to defend this stuff because even they know it's crap.

Rude-ro2385d ago

I remember 3 years of cloud talk... your point is now muted.

the_massive2385d ago (Edited 2385d ago )

Do you /reallllly/ think that they just opened studios or started work on exclusive games just this year? You realize that would mean no fruit for like, 4-5 years... [EDIT: My point is why the ef would you even mention it if the pipeline was totally empty]

I am gobsmacked that you could draw such a ridiculous conclusion.

But hey, keep on keeping on being you and trying to draw inference from a statement that we will never have any background information on till the games are close to release.

Godmars2902385d ago

@bluefox755:
Isn't the_massive trying to defend this stuff?

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rainslacker2384d ago (Edited 2384d ago )

Yeah, well....the rest of the industry can stay silent, so long as they release games. Nintendo and Sony aren't making a fuss all the time about all these games they have, or all this power they have. But damn, for how little they talk, they sure are outpacing MS on software output.

@the_massive

If MS opened up more studios, there would be news about it. It'd be in their investor reports. There would be evidence that they were opening them before that through job postings. MS was known to open up one studio for more indie type games a couple years ago, and there were articles about it. There is no way MS could open a single, much less multiple, AAA or mid-tier level studios without there being a hubbub about it.

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the_massive2385d ago

@Godmars290

I think the xbox platform fucked up royally. They somehow pissed off every single japanese game maker to the point of just getting a trickle of the games that come out for ps4 and PC.

I am fairly sure they did not fund or offer enough direction to the publically cancelled games early on in development, and I think it's the same issue from the get-go of trying to be cheap building a console from the previous management (like, making it on par with ps4 would have made it 10bucks more a console...)

All that and more are issue.

But @Relientk77 is just making people dumber. 1st, it's not even the right quote. 2nd, theres absolutly 0 context. If you buy his statement, you believe there are no MS published games coming out for 3-5 years (as so many comments on this article seem to believe)

He said work on NEW 1st part games has started. This says nothing about what we know is coming out, nothing about what we dont know is coming out in the next year or two. It literally just means they have started work on some new games.

UCForce2385d ago (Edited 2385d ago )

But the thing is, they should have start in first place. But now, it’s too late for them. MS didn’t have enough confidence on Scalebound. Phil Spencer is losing faith on Single Player.

Godmars2902385d ago

MS have actively ignored JRPG, many other console based game genres, since OG Xbox. They may have pushed them with the 360, even going so far as to recruit Sakaguchi of FF fame, but as soon not only gave up on it, but in a way that gave Sony advantages like extra content.

They've only ever wanted the Xbox to be something games came to rather than were made for because they've never really thought about making games. OG Xbox was about PC ports, now they're talking about bringing Steam to the XB1.

And yes by earlier comment it comes off as if you're defending MS on another one of their "the games are coming" statements. By now them saying such should be considered standard along with "exclusives don't matter" which they've probably said twice as much.

chiefJohn1172384d ago

Google sea of thieves, state of decay 2, Ori, turn 10 new IP, then come back and make that post lol

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Take-Two CEO Doesn’t Think AI Will Reduce Employment or Dev Costs; “Stupidest Thing” He’s Heard

Take-Two CEO Strauss Zelnick doesn't think AI will reduce employment or lower development costs, and calls it "stupidest thing" he's ever heard.

lodossrage6h ago(Edited 6h ago)

They already have AI trained to do coding.......

How he thinks it's stupid is beyond me, Especially since we see it happening in real time.

CS74h ago

Company A has 300 employees and lays of 200 to replace them with AI to release the same quality game.

Company B has 300 employees and keeps all 300 but instead uses AI to release a game with dramatically larger scale, scope, complexity, short dev cycle etc.

Company B would release a dramatically better product by using humans + AI and consumers would buy the better game.

I actually agree with this concept.

Huey_My_D_Long4h ago(Edited 4h ago)

This is key facet. Its how the AI is used. It's actually is impressive as is and really would make an amazing addition to alot of people in their jobs, not just tech. It also has the potential for businesses to use to lay off large amounts of people, as much as they could to save money on labor. I hope too many companies don't go with the latter. But since usually companies are worried about bottom line over people...we will see some try and hopefully fail. But yeah, if its to help workers like in your company B scenario I'm totally down...Just scared Company A may be too enticing to some ceos and businesses.

Darkegg4h ago

Value of AI and value of humans will both be increased with human-AI complex. Each, by themselves, will not be independently better than the other. Whether AI will ever be independent from humans is the fear question of humans, ironically because of our doing. At this stage, most of the doing is because of humans, not because of AI. AI is doing exactly that by our design, until we have failed ourselves with an AI development that went awry. The biggest take is that humans have only ourselves to blame when things become wrong, and we have to decide what is the ultimate goal with AI we want to accomplish. It would take a person with high morals and high ethics to make right of AI. I would not want businessman to decide what AI should do or what capabilities it can have. AI should be in the hands of people with high moral fiber, or those operating on love, kindness, and compassion.

BlackOni3h ago

AI is SUPPOSED to be used as a tool, not a replacement. It's designed to do two important things artists can take advantage of immediately.

- Make the ideation/reference imaging process much quicker and easier (basically using it as a google search)
- Make mundane and time consuming tasks faster and easier so more time is spent on creation.

Unfortunately, what many have done is used it as a way to replace rather than supplement.

Einhander197232m ago(Edited 21m ago)

CS7

In the ideal world yes.

In the real world where companies have shown little desire to innovate and spent every effort to maximize profits the end result will be the same quality games (if were lucky) made by less people and more AI.

Company Real World: Fires 200 people and makes the same game cheaper using AI and the executives get record bonuses.

Edit:

Lets look at history, specifically auto manufacturing.

In the 70's and 80's the auto unions tried to oppose automation of jobs (robots) stating that they would take peoples jobs. And the people in charge who wanted to make more money said the exact same types of things that are being said about AI. But we can look at history and see that countless types of jobs were in fact replaced by automation, that was of course even compounded upon by computers.

The net effect was that the rich got richer less jobs were needed so wages were forced down by competition for the jobs that were left.

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Number1TailzFan4h ago

You can already make your own SFX with text prompts now as well, of course it will lower development cost and time

1Victor4h ago(Edited 4h ago)

WARNING WARNING ‼️ SARCASM AHEAD
Sure Strauss and robots didn’t take jobs from car factories.
Edit:Sad thing is he believes it and unfortunately he won’t be replaced for a long time by AI

senorfartcushion2h ago(Edited 2h ago)

He doesn't, he's just lying. These people lay people off so they can get bonuses. If AI takes jobs, their bonus goes bigger and the workforce goes smaller.

porkChop45m ago

Because he sees AI as a tool to aid development. He wants to use AI to help make bigger and better games in the same timeframe. Other CEOs want to replace devs with AI to cut costs and make lifeless games faster for a quick buck. Strauss has the right idea, this is how AI should be used. To extend and expand the capabilities of devs.

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jambola6h ago

Ceo says stupid thing
Part 5837384

Zeref4h ago(Edited 4h ago)

I think maybe sometimes we give people in these positions too much credit when it comes to intelligence.

romulus234h ago

As long as it doesn't effect his inflated executive salary or his ridiculous bonuses I'm sure he's fine with it.

RNTody4h ago

Hahaha yeah trust the CEO suit over the actual developers making the games. Good one.

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Trying to push players over from PC to console is a terrible idea, PlayStation

As PlayStation announces its new strategy to encourage PC users to choose PS5 it is a bitter-sweet moment for PC gamers.

Christopher2d ago

I mean, it's a business based on hardware market. Do we expect them to not even try? It's not like Nintendo doesn't do the same by not putting any games on PC and Microsoft until recently did the same. I don't care what they attempt, as long as they don't abuse the community or lie about their goals/requirements.

Will it work? Not likely. Should we care? No. Let them waste their time, it doesn't affect anything.

RaidenBlack2d ago

let them try ... at the end of the day, we get few extra PC games ... yay ... and also promotes game preservation via PC ... so double yay.

LordoftheCritics1d 9h ago

If only Playstation games provided the ease of pc gaming features.

Primary being very few PS games support m/kb.

Christopher1d 2h ago

If only PC games supported controllers more. Main reason I play primarily on console. So many games have shit support on PC. Playing Dark Envoy now, and it's quite frustrating since I have to switch to keyboard during cut scenes just to make sure advancing conversation doesn't also auto-select a decision. Let alone it's quite rough to select between characters and inventory screens are bad bad bad.

Anywho, similar complaints for both I find. But, I 100% agree that both PC and consoles should support both as best as possible.

crazyCoconuts21h ago

PS may push more kb support in the future to get more PC converts, we'll see.

Flewid63820h ago

As someone with a high end PC, I feel like the ease is on PS5. Too many PC games are a troubleshooting nightmare, which few people have the time for when all you want to do is pop in a game & play it.

Yui_Suzumiya13h ago(Edited 13h ago)

I just use an Xbox controller on my laptop for everything 😆 .. I haven't used a keyboard / mouse combo for PC gaming since 1996

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LordoftheCritics1d 1h ago (Edited 1d 1h ago )

I don't think you understand what I mean by the lack of m/kb support on PS.

Over a thousand titles have PS controller support on PC.

Not even 30 titles have m/kb support on PS5.

Once you are done with the single player title, you'll go back to playing your daily shooter/looter/mmo etc which the pc gamer has mastered with their mouse and keyboard.
Why would any pc gamer make the switch?

jznrpg16h ago(Edited 16h ago)

PC is secondary to PlayStation for them. Mouse and keyboard would affect development. Live service will have it but most single player games aren’t going to have it as PC is not the focus

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Fishy Fingers2d ago (Edited 2d ago )

I wish them the best of luck.

But PC players are often a patient bunch, many will even wait for Epic launcher exclusivity to end until a game comes to Steam.

If they didnt buy the console when its games were exclusive, why would they do it now theyre not?

MrNinosan1d 11h ago

Way more do than you probably think.

ravens521d 11h ago

All you need is that one game that'll make a few switch at a time. Like a game a PC player REALLY wants.

porkChop22h ago

It just doesn't work that way though. Plenty of the best games ever made were never available on PC. That didn't make PC gamers buy consoles to play them. This kind of strategy has never worked in the past and it won't work now. It's fine for PS to hold their games back and release on PC later, but to think that will boost console sales is wishful thinking. All this will accomplish is some double dipping, which is obviously good for business.

JackBNimble22h ago(Edited 22h ago)

People aren't going to switch from pc to ps5, why would anyone do that for a game?
Most sony exclusives aren't all that to begin with, and pc has the option to upgrade what they want when they want it. Having access to some ps5 games, gamepass and steam.

Thinking this would happen is naive

outsider16241d 7h ago

I mean if there's 10 million pc gamers out there...getting atleast just 1 million from there is probably a good thing..right?

romulus231d 5h ago

PC players are not a monolith, I don't know why people keep thinking they speak for the entirety of all PC gamers like they all know each other personally. You think out of the millions of PC gamers not one single person will be impatient?Well Sony is willing to bet there will be. Why would they do it now? People's feelings change and new PC gamers come along all the time that may also feel different about waiting, that's why.

Yui_Suzumiya13h ago

Just like how I'm waiting for Alan Wake II to hit Steam 😆

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-Foxtrot2d ago

PC gamers are just too patient and loyal to their gaming set ups, something they've spent a lot of money on to perfect. They have backlogs of games which many never get round to finishing or get round to at all and will always have other multiplatform releases to keep them going.

Over the many years Sony has published so many awesome titles such as The Last of Us, Uncharted, Heavenly Sword, Infamous, Killzone, LittleBigPlanet, Dreams, Puppeteer, Resistance, Heavy Rain, Gran Turismo, Motor Storm, God of War, Horizon, Ratchet and Clank, Spiderman, Ghost of Tsushima, Bloodborne

If none of those games BEFORE all these PC ports convinced a hardcore PC gamer to get a PS5 console then why on Earth would porting them them to PC now make any difference? All PC gamers now know 100% is that they just have to be patient, which they are good at anyway to get a PS5 game 2 years later.

I get GaaS games or multiplayer focused titles but if people really want to play these games they'd have gotten a PS console years ago.

Crows901d 8h ago

Not sure they're aiming to convince the hardcore PC gamer.

Not sure why people are obsessing over his comment...it seems pretty simple to me.

He will do all he can to entice gamers to move to his ecosystem. As you say....exclusives existing hasn't moved many gamers over. But if they get to try them and love the games then they might change their mind about waiting 2 years.

We're in an echo chamber on this site...I've Personally seen people with Xbox and PC setups but no PlayStation. I've also seen people with small PC setups but no console. Not every pc gamer invests thousands and many may decide to put one in the living room.

They're not looking to convince all of players to buy a PlayStation...just a few...and really it is just a PR statement after all...they have to give a reason why single player won't release day 1....not to mention they also have to ensure current PlayStation gamers don't jump ship to PC. It goes both ways and they're ignoring the big L by putting any of their games off their platform.

anast1d 7h ago

"Not sure they're aiming to convince the hardcore PC gamer."

Right here

Kakashi Hatake1d 8h ago

PC gamers think tomorrow is promised. Sorry, don't have time for that.

Michiel19891d 6h ago

it's not just about loyalty or sunk cost, pc is an open platform while consoles are closed platforms. If you for example want to mod, you will play on pc, no question about it. Also if you like indie games, steam is a fucking goldmine for that. I've been playing a lot of indie games over the last years and there just seems to be an endless amount of them on steam. Also not having games locked to a certain fps is a prettty big deal for me and I assume a lot of other pc players.

Walalon1d 5h ago

And don't forget steam sales, you can get a ton of games on an awesome price.

badz14920h ago

@Walalon

Sony has been doing sales constantly on the PS Store nowadays.

jznrpg16h ago(Edited 16h ago)

@Walalon Steam sales are basically the same as PS sales. I was going to buy a Steam Deck and I heard about these Steam sales but the games I was interested in were not any cheaper. Indie games were cheap and older AAA were cheap but the same can be said for PS store sales. I didn’t end up getting the Steam Deck as there weren’t any games that I wanted to play that wasn’t already on PS and prices aren’t much different

romulus231d 5h ago

And how do you know out of the millions of PC gamers that not one single person ever went ahead and bought a PlayStation console for one or more of those games? People keep speaking for the entirety of millions of PC gamers like they know them all personally. Here's one example for you, I'm currently typing on a recently purchased PC that cost me over twenty five hundred dollars and is more than capable of running any game including Sony exclusives that come to PC and yet I still bought a PS5 so apparently I'm not patient or loyal enough to my set up, hope it's not mad at me for not being loyal.

jznrpg16h ago

Some of those people will consider getting a PS5 some wont. I was a PC gamer for a long time and I’m a console only gamer now. Everyone’s different.

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helicoptergirl2d ago

Who cares? Then just stay on PC and play the waiting game. No big deal. Sony wins in the end anyway.

Number1TailzFan2d ago

I mean if there's any single player Sony games that I actually want that aren't on PC then I would buy said console to play them on. But the ones that I like that aren't on PC are few and far between anyway so no loss for me.

If I game, it's usually multiplayer titles, otherwise I like playing around with some other software.

Amplitude1d 2h ago (Edited 1d 2h ago )

Astro Bot is the game that just did it for me. I'm gonna have to grab a PS5 again for that.

I did this for Ratchet Rift Apart too but ended up selling the PS5 after getting my plat. Rebought it on PC and other than GoW Ragnarok and Horizon FW (which eventually I could get anyway), I haven't had a reason to downgrade my graphics, controller features, ease of recording, and increase my game costs and monthly subscriptions throughout this entire generation.

I play on a TV with a controller but this has been the absolute worst console gen for both consoles. Never in my life thought I'd be a PC gamer but I've been spoiled by the cheap costs, cross-platform controllers and mostly the unbelievably useful Steam controller config.

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ARK: Survival Ascended Premium Mods on Consoles Q&A - By 2030, Time Spent on UGC Will Be Way Bigger

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