I Can’t Believe This Many Of You Care About Performance Mode

Redfall won't launch with performance mode, and that's a loss, but it's okay if you don't really mind. Don't worry about your gamer card.

[isarai]

Almost any game released since the ps4 pro/bx1x has had a quality and performance mode. Top that with the fact that "world's strongest console" was literally MSs slogan for the series x, AND this game doesn't really look like it's pushing bleeding edge technology, and yeah, it doesn't make sense. It reeks of pushing a game out before it's finished. It cannot be that hard to implement especially seeing as how its launching on PC too where you can adjust settings as you please. So if the ability is already there to just make a performance focused preset, why is it not launching with it? Worse yet why do they not even know when they will add it in? "Undisclosed future date" seriously?

[thesoftware730]

Ok, got it.

Now honestly, could you tell me why you are so outraged?
Because you feel misled?
Because you think they could have added it but didn't?
Did you have high expectations from RF? I can't recall you ever saying you were.
Were you planning on buying or playing it anyway?

[Chriswheeler22]

Not the guy you are replying to but similar feelings.

It's the fact that I feel they need to do better. I vote with my wallet. If other devs can make games look much better and run better, I dont feel Arkane deserve my money. We know a patch is comming, so it's not a matter of ability but just being rushed.

A game like this relies on people and first impressions are everything. When the patch does come out, it may not even have a player base. It's a crowded space to compete it.

[isarai]

I WANT XBOX TO BE AWESOME LIKE THEY USED TO BE.

it's really no more complicated than that. They repeatedly treat everyone like idiots, and people eat it up, demand better, stop making excuses for them. Why is it they are the one platform with 1st party games that are basically no better than your average 3rd party game, and half the time don't even launch feature complete. How is everyone ok with getting basically early access games from A FIRST PARTY STUDIO! Fans always brag about how much money MS has, why don't they ever use it to finish their damn games before they ship them?

I always have an eye on MS especially since the acquisition, in hopes that they will get back to how great they used to be. Blows my mind that even after all these acquisitions, they've only delivered one non-disputable banger in Hi-Fi rush which wasn't even their doing as it was developed before they were acquired.

After 10yrs of this bs why are you not outraged?

[Chevalier]

Isn't it misleading to show all the gameplay from the PC build at 60 fps and pull the rug weeks before release? Plus to add insult to injury isn’t this the first game Xbox is upping the price to $70? $100 for the deluxe version?

[sinspirit]

What Isarai said.

XBox used to be incredible. They had few games, but they were a variety of games that came out the gate as titans. Ever since 2008 when Phil became in charge of European studios and pushed Rare and Lionhead to be Kinect focused, and then 2010 when he became in charge of all game development as Director of Games, everything became Kinect focused and he helped push for that. Everything since then became lacking, losing many features that used to be essential, incomplete and relying on updates, unplayable at launch, and more focused on their future focus of monetization and tactics such as battlepass and wheel spins that try to drive daily engagement. I just want a game console to be a game console first and foremost. Worry about the extras and services later.

[Rocketisleague]

I'm a huge fan of arkane. Only good thing about Bethesda these days imo. With that said, their games, are pc games. The console versions always suck compared to.the pc one. They're just too fast paced..generally. they need 60fps and they need a mouse and keyboard, not s controller. I played dishonored 1.on pc and 2 on ps4. Couldn't believe how mediocre number 2 waa on ps4. Just slow.wnd sloppy. Returnal is quite similar to this. Apparently it is a hard game when you have a controller. Prey 2017 being the exception there, that was great on ps4 with its slower pace.

Anyway, other than that. Arkane actually try something different. One of the few studios who keep the magic of the 90s and 00s in gaming while innovating with newer gameplay elements. Similar to souls borne. Opposite to Bethesda developed games elder scrolls, fallout and soon to be starfield which left the magic behind a long time ago.

[IamTylerDurden1]

Ppl expect 60 fps in next gen fps. Like racing games it's a general expectation to run 60 particularly on "the world's most powerful box". And this wasn't disclosed until a few weeks before launch. Ofc ppl are mad. And like some have stated, it does not appear to be anything other than a time issue or poor management. The game isn't a technical powerhouse and they claim it's coming later. So why launch now? Mind you a game that was already delayed significantly.

[IamTylerDurden1]

isarai

Hi Fi is not a banger. Play it. It's an average rythm game beyond the exquisite visuals. Gameplay, controls, and level design are average. I had more fun with Hellsinger bc the music and rythm aspect were better. Hi Fi is a great production with care and polish but beyond that i don't see it. I didn't enjoy the soundtrack either. Also, it's not really a AAA monster, hard to say banger. I wouldn't call Stray a banger for example.

[Profchaos]

It is misleading when every promotional trailer shows gameplay at 60 that's not representative of the final product

[mkis007]

Devils advocate here ...

Nothing about the game so far suggests that a performance mode is impossible. It is a game that should easily be able to scale back a few things to get a 60 fps mode.

If the base game was already running at a 1440p resolution due to some amazing intensive effects or gameplay, then you get a pass. Today people are just used to having it available. 4k or performance mode at 1440p shouldn't be so hard to hit at launch.

[thesoftware730]

I get that; it's kinda like what you said in your first post about your feelings and opinions. You know that you did not answer the questions right? I'll add to it.

Do you have an Xbox or Sub to GP?

It's a bit baseless and odd that the 30fps alone could make you call or compare this to an early-access game. What if it plays well, has tons to do, and, most of all, fun? Is the 30fps the thing that makes it early access?

[Lifexline]

Dont bother most of these guys just love hating on anything. It seemed no one cared about Redfall it was all about Starfield. But then came the negative news about it and all of a sudden everybody was interested. People just love to bitch about something.

I agree with the article it's funny all of a sudden everyone cares about 60 FPS on all games when there are plenty of games on both playstation and Xbox that are locked at 30 FPS people act like 60 FPS is the standard it is not yet some games do it but not all. This just gives people something to continue to bitch about. Why did no one bitch or make a big deal about all the other games released this gen that are not 60 FPS?. I'm still playing it and hopefully it's a fun game I'll reserve judgement until i finish playing it myself.

[derek]

@thesoftware, it's ok for Microsoft to be criticized for not delivering the goods. You don't have to feel the need to defend everyone of their missteps.

[derek]

@theprofessional, I don't care about Redfall I'll likely never play it. Most of the criticism is coming from (besides obvious trolling)noted xbox fans asking what the problem is with Microsoft tech/studio management given their recent history of problems this gen. Others are able to get their games out feature complete while Microsoft appears to struggle is the complaint.

[IamTylerDurden1]

You are trying very hard but ppl freaked out when Driveclub was 30 fps despite benchmark visuals. And that was a decade ago. DC was specifically held back by the hardware. It ran 40-60 uncapped but they wanted stability. The weak jag CPU and PS4 launch specs were limiting. With the current hardware ppl expect 60 for racing and fps. I'm not as bullish on the need as others but it is what it is. Major first party, next gen fps on the world's most teraflop Xbox running 30 and looking average visually is surprising.

I play both, but it feels like a certain camp can't take what they dish. Driveclub was ripped for running 30, ppl bragged that XB1 had more 60fps early on, they brag now about more 120. They bragged about true 4k. Now a major first party on big d*ck hardware launches at 30 and you run around asking ppl to apologize for being upset? Can't boast about power and specs, belittle your competition and then get sour when u sh*t the bed and ppl call u out. Microsoft crows about powa. Cmon. They should take their medicine. They had it coming. Demon's Souls was killed for having a quality AND performance mode lol. Ppl thought it should do both simultaneously.

[Lightning77]

Double post.

[Lightning77]

"it doesn't make sense. It reeks of pushing a game out before it's finished."

Do you know what a unfinished game looks like? glitchy, Broken, game crashes that's a unfinished game. A real unfinished game. If the game is none of those things I mentioned then get it out the door. A bad game is always bad gone it Doesn't matter if it's 30 or 1000 frames ppl will always talk about how bad or good the actual game is.

Talk about exaggerated and blown out of proportion reaction.

"half the time don't even launch feature complete."

Half the time? You clearly made that up. But go ahead and list me the games.

"only delivered one non-disputable banger in Hi-Fi rush which wasn't even their doing as it was developed before they were acquired."

That's right Hi FI doesn't count well guess what Redfall wasn't developed by MS either. No credit given to Hi FI you're just whining just to whine now. Nothing you're saying doesn't matter especially after that hifi comment.

[thesoftware730]

@ Derek,

I'm not defending anything; all I did was ask questions. All the overdone outrage is silly because it's coming from many people who had no intention of purchasing/downloading/playing the game.

This one detail has the same culprits saying the game is complete trash, early access; MS can't make games(even though this game was being developed before MS acquired them), or other unrelated rants. The game is not even out; what if the music, gameplay, story, mission, powers, and enemies are all good? Then is the 30 fps the thing that makes the game Trash?

I play Switch games at 30fps, and they are super enjoyable; BoTW was a masterclass of a game, with the sum of all its parts making it one of the most renowned games of all time already.

I'm Just saying people seem so so outraged at this as if it's unheard of; there are not many 4-player, 4k 60fps open-world games out there...as a matter of fact, none that I can think about at all, and even then the game WILL have 60fps, for whatever reason the devs chose to releases the game with Quality mode only. I don't see why it's the end of the world.

But go ahead, as I am positive if the game is good, it will stand on its own merits rather than fake outrage on N4G.

[IamFrasierCrane]

You don’t have to purchase something to criticize it. Remember DRM on Xbox One before the console launched? Everyone complained about that, even people who had no intention of buying the console. It’s okay to want nice things.

[derek]

@thesoftware, outrage is how everything is covered these days. The reality is most console players will try the game out on gamepass and judge it for what's there, irregardless of the 30 fps controversy. But Microsoft deserves some heat regarding this issue given their messaging leading up to this generation that they had the 12 tflop monster with "true rdna 2" tech.

[Tedakin]

Has nothing to do with the "world's strongest console." The PS5 version would have been 30 fps too.

[IamFrasierCrane]

What PS5 version? Redfall is from a Microsoft studio..

[Rhythmattic]

Tedkin. And?
If it was on PS5, do you think people wouldn't care that it still ran only at 30fps without other options?

[FinalFantasyFanatic]

Surely performance mode isn't that hard to add in, the game doesn't look graphically intensive for the Xbox, they could just drop the resolution and maybe some details to make a 60fps performance mode. That's how we normally get a performance mode in most games on console, really surprised it's not an option.

[BlackDoomAx]

Lol at that article. If you can't see a difference between 30 and 60 fps, good for you. But here is the catch, and i know it's hard to understand but: people are different, and many are *not like you*.

[Amplitude]

I don't wanna the link and give thegamer ad money but if it actually says that, well that doesn't make any sense. I think everybody can see the difference between 30 and 60? Most likely this bad site trying to get hits. So many controversial takes and clickbait headlines for attention. Just blacklisted them on my phone lol

[FinalFantasyFanatic]

Getting used to playing video games at high frame rates, movies and animation tend to look a little bit stutter-ish to me until I get used to the lower frame rates again, especially noticeable if I just played a video game before hand.

[saint_seya]

I play Fornite at 120 fps, and i can tell the difference with 60 fps (i got so used to 120 fps that 60 fps feels weird), someone that says that doesnt feel the difference is lying or really has a problem .. simple as that.

[CobraKai]

I don’t feel the difference. The only reason I know a game is 120fps is because the fidelity takes a huge hit. I tried playing Halo Infinite in 120 fps and I couldn’t. I don’t think not feeling a difference is a problem, I zone out into the game and I don’t care about frame rates.

[blackblades]

Being use to 60fps and going back to 30 for 5mins feels like crap. I was one of the ones that was fine with 30fps that was way before I was playing in 60fps for all games. Also wasnt there Xbox players sitting there bragging about 60fps and shyt talking ps5 players at one point. I think was about the series x TFlops advantage

[Alos88]

"I can't believe this many of you care about a thing I don't care about" lol what a cope article.

[Terry_B]

I can't believe that there are more bad takes on a site than even on gamingbolt, but thegamer.com reached this achievement.

[Eonjay]

Even before the acquisitions Microsoft was like the richest company on Earth, but you would never know that by judging the quality of their product. There is no parity between their fat pockets and the products they provide. The fact they have to absorb the entire industry just to "compete" with a company less than 5% their size is absurd. The content a company of that size can produce is at the top end of what is actually possible.

[andy85]

Sorry but 30 fps feels like panning the camera through sludge. I luckily just got a 120hz screen just as Plague Tale came out and I'm so glad I did, because the 30fps mode was frustrating but thankfully there was a 40fps one which was bearable. I couldn't even imagine it in an fps now with those constant camera movements. Stop defending this unnecessary BS

[Number1TailzFan]

60fps should be the bare minimum, hell my first taste of high hz was in 2012 with a 120hz 1080p screen, and have upgraded screens more than once since then. 90+fps is simply superior and I can even tell when I'm playing at 60fps as the motion simply isn't as smooth. It might be harder to tell on console with certain games due to slower panning with the controller though.

[DarXyde]

Yeah, the difference is super clear. When there's a hiccup too, it's incredibly noticeable. You may not know exactly how many frames, but you definitely know 60fps-ish. FPS and driving games below 60fps are pretty much Cardinal sins. I actually couldn't really play Driveclub because it felt nauseating at times.

For anyone that can't tell the difference, Play Demon's Souls at both settings. Then come back and let me know if you can feel the difference.

[staticall]

The more options, the better. If you don't like performance mode, don't use it. Taking the choice away is not okay.

Also, this game costs $70. And goes up to $99.99. It was delayed twice already, everything should be running perfectly, especially for the price they're asking. This is not ok. This is not some indie developer, it's a first party (good one, too), for G-d's sake! Stop excusing their laziness and greed.

[Lightning77]

Redfall was delayed once. You mean Starfield was delayed twice.

[BrainSyphoned]

Pathetic.

[anast]

We know who writes about games to get those free codes...This is an anti-gamer article.

[darkrider]

What is not acceptable is the payed damage control to hide the reality. When a company sells a product shouting to the world for more then a year that is the most powerful console, full rdna2 and then a console exclusive game with average graphics runs at 30 frames. Yeah its ridiculous, a fps in 2023 that runs at 30 frames... A game that was behind sold at 60 frames like all trailers were until now, it's even worse, it's tryng to make gamers stupid. The game isn't finished and Microsoft bad management is forcing it to be launch. That's the reality

[BandarHub]

What?
Microsoft is not forcing anyone.
The game will have a performance patch giving 60 fps.
it being 30 fps does not mean it's unfinished. Judge the game when it comes out based on the story, gameplay, level design and graphics not whether or not is suppose to run 60 fps on consoles.
Will you tune changed they they add a performance mode.

[KwietStorm_BLM]

Unfinished =/= an inherently bad game. Nobody is saying the game they never played is trash. But it literally is unfinished if, as you said yourself, the performance mode doesn't come until later. The game has already been delayed for some time, and they probably don't want to delay it again, which looks bad. So they just want to release it locked at 30fps in 2023, which looks bad.

[JackBNimble]

Maybe they should delay it again then.

Oh but then you guy's would complain about that too.

[Flawlessmic]

I have to agree with the op, if given the option I would play all my games at quality mode.

I would've played redfall at quality mode anyway so it's not a big deal for me.

The reason it's a big deal in redfalls case is that it looks like a previous gen game and is only at 30, for the visuals on show I'd expect 60 4k and I think that's why it's a big deal here.

If the visual fidelity was a lot better people would understand why its 30.

Either way it'll be on gamepass so not like I'm forking out 130 to play it.

Hoping it's a fun game atleast

[KwietStorm_BLM]

Nobody wants to "understand" why it's 30. They just want the game to respond better and run like it should on the hardware they paid for, especially being a shooter. It is 2023. There are games that objectively look better than this and they go well above 60 frames. We shouldn't even be hearing 30 frames per second at this point. That's archaic performance.

[Flawlessmic]

You do realise I made that point about this looking previous gen and should be at 60 hence why for this game it's a big deal that it isn't 4k 60.

I was stating that I generally play my games at 30 anyway so it's not a deal breaker for me.

I'm happy for you guys to feel other wise not sure why u get upset at gamers that don't mind 30, I prefer fidelity, that great thing so far about this gen is for the most part both sides have had the option to choose with makes this especially bad even more so from a first party but again I don't mind a stable 30 at all.

If you prefer 60 then good on, push for that, don't see why me preferring fidelity bothers you.

You preferring 60 doesn't bother me.

[KwietStorm_BLM]

So then you also realize that you said this - If the visual fidelity was a lot better people would understand why its 30. - which I addressed in my first sentence. And it is factually wrong, because like I said there are games with a heavier workload that run at a higher frame rate, hence the game still being unfinished and/or unoptimized. You said the reason it's a big deal is because it looks last gen, so people expect higher frame rates. No. People expect higher frame rates because they expect higher frame rates. Like I said, 30fps is archaic and shouldn't even be mentioned today. For anyone who has been playing 60 and higher for any amount of time, going back feels like playing with input lag.

[RaiderNation]

I nominate this as dumbest article of the year and for around here, that's saying something!

[MetroidFREAK21]

30 FPS for a shooter is unacceptable nowadays. I will ALWAYS choose higher framerate over visual fidelity...

[Destiny1080]

arkane studios sure thought it was important, all previews of the game were played on Pc at 60fps

80% of xbox gamers only have the s model, so of course they don't care about frame rate or graphics, there's literally only a small percentage, who could tell the difference between frame rates

[Kaze88]

I can't believe someone would prefer 30fps vs 60fps. Specially fps games feel sluggish on 30fps.

[Sirk7x]

Depending on the game, sometimes performance modes can look very soft and muddy on a large screen. There should always be the option for people who want to toggle, however. Not having one just screams performance issues and development troubles.

[RNTody]

I can't believe that anybody in this day and age can't tell the difference between 30fps and 60fps. I thought this myth died in the 2013 era. You don't even need a shred of technical knowledge, you just need to look at any comparison video. A stable 30 can be fine to play on, but why judge people who want a better experience?

I ONLY play performance modes on all games on PS5. On PC, I play between 60 to 120fps depending on the game.

[JackBNimble]

And an unstable 60 is total shit to play on ... just saying

[CrimsonWing69]

Well, now you know.

[Soulsborne]

I cant believe this many of you let yourselves be played by poor optimization and development for a fully priced product, then again M$ colored controllers exist so i guess it makes sense. "The most powerful comsole" gets used as a netflix and game ass fodder machine.

[BehindTheRows]

thegamer.com

Nothing else needs to be said. Were this a PlayStation game, Redfall's situation would be "gross".

[Brazz]

I don't Care about "Performance Mode" or wathever name they use... I care about a first person shooter running at 30 FPS in 2023, something unnaceptable for a exclusive of the so called "most poweful console"!

[CrimsonWing69]

So, then you do care about performance mode. That’s sort of the options we get now, either fidelity or performance. You’d choose 60fps over better looking visuals that compromise frame rate to 30 fps, right?

[PhillyDillyDee]

Of you cant tell the difference, take the camera and spin it around your character. You’ll never be able to unsee that shuttering effect once you see it.

[Sirk7x]

At a rock solid 30, with perfect frame pacing and smart implementation of motion blurring, it shouldn't stutter. You'll still know it's 30fps, but if a game is stuttering and struggling to maintain even 30, there are probably loads more problems with the game lol.

[PhillyDillyDee]

Motion blur… gross. I dont agree with you but to each their own. Maybe you’re using auto motion plus on your screen too?

[Flakegriffin]

Should’ve known if was an article from The Gamer.

[JEECE]

I'll never understand the "people didn't talk as much about framerate twenty years ago, so why are you noticing now?" argument. Should a group of people not progress in their knowledge and understanding over twenty years? People twenty years ago also accepted really bad control schemes; does that mean we should also accept games with bad controls today?

[BehindTheRows]

Exactly. Or you get those that claim 60fps was never a promise and we need to provide receipts to support it.

Simple receipt: watch any gameplay prior to the 30fps announcement.

[JEECE]

I mean, they did advertise the game at 60fps, but I'd be complaining even if they hadn't. It's not just that I expect games advertised at 60fps to run at 60fps; I expect all AAA games on Series X or PS5 to run at 60fps.

[FinalFantasyFanatic]

To be fair, powerful hardware to easily push 60fps has trickled down to console hardware/prices, we're at the point where 60fps should almost always be an option for the majority of consoles games on PS5/Xbox Series X.

[gleepot]

Counterpoint: I can't believe people care about resolution mode. The slight increase in visual fidelity is not worth the drop in performance.

[darkrider]

It's an excuse, because the graphics that everybody saw on the ign gameplay are last gen. It can be 4k and still be average....

[GhostScholar]

I do think it’s silly for any game in 2023 to not run at 60 frames minimum, but I’ll just wait and play it once it’s up to par. I still look forward to it.

[LG_Fox_Brazil]

Performance mode was the main reason I made the jump from PS4 to PS5 on day one my friend

[TheEnigma313]

Ehhh I care. I always choose performance mode over resolution mode.

[MIDGETonSTILTS17]

I guess the games are coming, but they will still need to be patched later.

[gold_drake]

thats a stupid article.

[Petebloodyonion]

30FPS/1080P have been the norm for a lot of the games in the previous generation just like 30FPS/4k will be for this one (lots of PC still struggle to get a constant 60 FPS).

But Microsoft can take a huge part of the blame for this issue when they made the parallel of having a Serie S/X console with having different kinds of PC and settings.
Having the ability to choose between quality and performance has been the core of the PC experience so it's sad to see that this choice has been removed when it's been MS marketing speech since day1.

[CobraKai]

I don’t agree with this guy. I don’t think people are lying. I think gamers who have been so used to 60fps will see the difference and it will bug them. I do think they’re overreacting tho. Personally I like 30 fps and 60 fps. I don’t even notice fps when I’m gaming, but to some, it’s a deal breaker.

[derek]

Here come the Microsoft apologist articles.

[Aloymetal]

Yup, damage control at its best. Stay tuned, there are plenty more articles like these to come.

[JEECE]

And just think that they don't even really care about this game that much. Imagine how it's going to be if they really end up confirming Starfield will be 30fps on Series X.

[Hereandthere]

30fps sucks plain and simple.

[z2g]

A) most ppl only care cuz its an xbox game and ppl love to bash xbox for every little thing while sony more often than not continually gets free passes on their shortcomings. thats not even an opinion. industry professionals and journalists have said as much. like xbox users are rightfully disappointed, but playstation users who will never even play the game seem far more concerned and agitated about it which drives a lot of media hype.

B) its still going to have a performance mode - it just won't be available at launch. so if its that important to you then you will have to wait the weeks or however long it takes to be issued. it doesn't mean the game sucks or xbox is dead or the world is ending. it just means you need to hold on.

this kind of stuff is par for the course on this gen. games launch without raytracing, or certain modes or features. this happens on both sides and pretty often. it only matters on this game largely because of stupid console war bs.

[Hereandthere]

60 FPS Will Be The Standard Output On Xbox Series X/s exclusives, Says Aaron Greenberg

[autoglope]

I mean,.. When we get 120fps patches for a SP open world games that look like Atomic Heart,.. 60 is pretty much expected,.. because from what Ive seen from Redfall,..(It really does not look all that impressive)

[P_Bomb]

I care about performance but I play a LOT. Good games, bad games, I play ‘em. Don’t need a cope session from the internet about what I toggle in my living room. Fail headline.

[Servbot41]

Another garbage clickbait thegamer article.

[Ashunderfire86]

It’s a rotten shame when this game is one of Series X’s exclusive games coming this year, and we got all this controversy surrounding it!

I want Series X to be a true competition to PS5, but I am seeing too many disappointments, left to right!!! Microsoft needs a win, and a game coming soon that shows the true power of Series X! What happened to “There is no power greater than X?” That Slogan was from the original Xbox that truly show off the console power way better than any other Xbox console after it!

Splinter Cell Chao Theory on the original Xbox had a completely different version than the PS2 version and you notice the Xbox power in the graphics! And even gameplay. It was a console’s first step to becoming like a gaming PC. Now Xbox is full of disappointment years later, after the negative impact of Xbox One 2013 Always Online scare! And Xbox has been getting Big Ls ever since! We Need Series X to rejuvenate the Xbox Brand coming Fall 2023 and 2024!

[DivineHand125]

The title raised my blood pressure. I won't out and purchased a tv capable of 120 fps because next gen promised higher framerates. Unless there is a night and day difference between performance and quality mode, there is little incentive to use quality mode.

[Visceral89]

One thing I haven't seen mentioned yet is input lag, the lower the fps, the more input lag there is. A good example of this is RE4 remake, the controls feel super heavy at 30fps

[Yui_Suzumiya]

Imagine not caring about your game running good, lol

[Smellsforfree]

If the frame pacing is perfect, 30 fps can be OK, but I definitely prefer 60 fps and will take the graphical hit for flame fluidity. That being said, if the game can't maintain good frame pacing at 60 fps they might as well drop it to 30 fps if they can maintain good frame pacing there. I'd rather have a 30 fps lock that is good than an 'uncapped framerate' mode that is garbage without VRR.

[chobit_A5HL3Y]

cope harder? lol performance mode is a standard feature these days. 30fps was pretty much a requirement back on ps3/360, and you're telling me a brand new game in 2023, xbsx/ps5 gen, is only just meeting that requirement still? lol

one of the biggest issues with gaming is that people are willing to settle for less, and so it's become ok to release half-assed products. we've allowed standards to slip so low that people actually think bf2042 is on the same level as bf3; another title from back on ps3 lol we let it happen to micro-transactions and we let it happen with increasing game prices. the fact is, people do care, it's just that the majority of people that play games don't actually follow gaming news and aren't up to date with what's going on in the industry; the "casual" gamer. unless/until we actually stop giving money to stuff we don't like, it's just gonna keep happening and getting worse.

[SinisterKieran]

both sides moan about it which makes the other side wanna moan about it when it happens to the competitor.

[YourMommySpoils]

Meh, Xbox game nobody cares about anyway.

[Traecy]

It doesn't bother me at all. I've played several games at 30fps in quality mode & I enjoyed the game in its entirety.

[wiz7191]

Idk maybe I’m different than most gamers but how deep this conversation is about 30 FPS is some BS to me. I rather them focus all their energy on one mode and it release in a good state , I’m guessing a lot of ppl must of forgot how a bunch of games that do release with both modes be a broken mess from the gate. It’s a lose lose situation lol they’ll delay the game just for the gaming community to talk shit about that to. I’m starting to think regardless of what MS does , the Sony camp is going to talk shit anyway. This shit has me dumb founded at this point lol

[Pedrof]

I'm not sure Arkane really knows or cares much about consoles anyway.

[PhillyDonJawn]

Fake outrage

[Ra3030]

"I Can’t Believe This Many Of You Care"
This dude didn't pay attention to the things said by the Microsoft execs when the Xbox Series consoles were released such as the Microsoft PR exec Aaron Greenberg saying when ask about the Xbox Series Consoles..... "60 FPS will be the standard". Not sure if this guy that "can't believe" is a clown or just being paid to do damage control or both but no First Person Shooter should release sub 60fps in 2023 on any platform.

[Aussiesummer]

Its baffling how they couldn't manage it on a game that looks like that when far more graphically advanced games have. If we don't speak up and vote with our hard earned money things will never change, at the end of the day it's a product they want us to pay for and experience and if that experience is lacking by today's standards then it needs to be highlighted.

[dmonee]

I recall reading an article about performance a couple of years ago about the current generation machines. The article basically blamed the pandemic for slowing the development of current generation games and it would take a little while longer before we truly see what the current generation machines are truly capable of. In this article it was stated that, the more next gen features, developers add to the games, the more likely it is that games might not be able to handle the 60fps performance modes we are currently seeing. I don’t know if Redfall, falls into this category. The developer does say, its only launching without a performance mode, which tells me it will be added later on.

[mjchitown]

they only care cause its a xbox game. if this was a ps5 game, no one would care

[P_Bomb]

Everyone cared when Gotham Knights was 30fps.

[HyperMoused]

I honestly cant tell much of a difference, its not going to make such a difference that the game will be night and day, im dubious of RF for other reasons.

[Deeeeznuuuts]

I can still play 30fps games but I do expect every game from now forward to be at least 1080p/60fps, 30 should just be an option in this day and age

[Tedakin]

60fps is hugely important to me. If you play a 60fps game for a few days, then flip it to 30 and can't tell a difference you're lying. I however can't believe how many people actually care about always online. :) Do you really ever have your console offline at this point?

[RonsonPL]

Yeah. Who cares about the most important factor in gaming: how FUN the game is to play.

Yeah. Screw that. Who needs the game to feel OK, to be as much enjoyable as possible. To be as quick to learn in terms of control as possible. To be fun even before you get up to super high skill level.

Only 90% of people who actually play the games would mind having the core mechanic sacrificed for better graphics, so meh..
;)
5% of the gamers actually prefer fancy visuals over 60fps and all the changes it brings along. Not each of those already realized that, but they will.
Not everyone is absolutely obsessed with realistic lighting. Well, maybe besides the everyone in gaming journalism.
And artists.
And programmer "nerds" who are hypnotized by the idea that computers can do a thing this advanced and therefore think that "it's way more fun than gaming, which is not that fun anyway so who cares. Look at this simulated light bounce! That's so cool! ".

The article has a laughable sentence: "you don't need it".
It's like listening to your mother in law who would be trying to convince you - a long-term fan of sports car and sports driving - that a normal, slow family car is OK.

"It has everything you need - two places to have a talk, and even music player.
Fast engine? Good suspention?
You don't need it!
You don't need it but you have the right to be slightly angry about having to abandon your sports driving, but after we reach home, you will realize that you'd be at home irregardless of the car type. You'll see that you never needed it."

And another brilliant idea. "Let's make the people who like sports driving into crybaby complainers. "
So. To summarize:
"1. Stop complaining cause you're stupid!"
"2. You don't need it. You are also stupid for not knowing that you didn't need it!"

Well. I don't know about you guys, but I feel enlightened already! She convinced me and I want to apologize for our fellow gamers who complained about 30fps, as we are clearly dumb and just want to find reasons to complain ;)

[DarthZoolu]

Once you get used to playing everything at 60 frames per second going back to 30 it’s just not acceptable

[GoodGuy09]

If you've been gaming long then you'll know that 60fps is far superior and a must. Unless the game is highly graphically gorgeous or on handheld, then 30fps is acceptable...redfall does not look anything amazing and it is inexcusable to not be able to achieve 60fps on the series x.

[Ninver]

The gamer. Nothing else to say. These guys are pure trash.

[Profchaos]

It will be a mistake not to delay this until it's truly ready I know this is a corporate decision because it's been a bit of a drought but that shouldn't be on redfall to fix it's almost the sacrificial lamb when starfeild should have been released

[dubal-e]

If the game plays well. I'll be fine. 30fps is not a deal breaker for me. I'll take 60 when they update for sure but 30 isn't gonna have me crying on the internet.

[Rimeskeem]

I can't believe the damage control on this.

Also, I can't think of a SINGLE "AAA" game on PC that would run at 30fps with 12 teraflops behind it.

[XBManiac]

30fps mode = Panic mode.

[Wrex369]

I'm not really invested in this game or the framerate debate but the game was showcased with the 60fps on it

[Rhythmattic]

" It does matter if you can’t really tell but act like you can because that’s loser behaviour."
Hey Stacy, everyone can tell.....Talk about Triggered,. LOL

[TheCaptainKuchiki]

I don't care about performance mode.
I care about having a minimum,of 60 fps.
Because it's 2023 and not 2007 anymore.
Because they sell us "amazing power and performance" to make us buy these new expensive consoles.
30 fps should NOT exist anymore this generation.
We should be having quality mode at 60fps as standard on all games.

[lellkay]

No performance mode, no play for me.

[Sirk7x]

People made the same argument about Gotham Knights, and look how that turned out lol. Lack of performance options now, when it is practically industry standard, just hints strongly at development issues and performance problems. If any studio had the ability to have a performance option in a new game, they would include it. In my mind, just having one mode at 30 fps means the game probably won't even run solidly at that.

[VonAlbrecht]

You know, I gotta say - back in the day console gamers thought 60 FPS was some decadent bullroar. "30fps is fine, I can't tell the difference". But now, everyone's had a taste of the 60 fps meat, and it tastes good. It's cool to see people not only come around, but collectively raise their standards.

We are finally at a point with console gaming where we can tailor our gaming experience to favor frame rate, or graphic fidelity - but that's the thing. It should be the player's choice. This is a fast-paced multiplayer shooter, where the experience is directly affected by how responsive the game feels - and a smooth FPS contributes to a more responsive gamefeel. Imagine if the latest CoD released at a locked 30 fps with no option for a performance mode; it would be borderline unplayable for many.

I don't own an XBox, but I'm gonna come out and say it - these guys have *every* reason to be pissed off. They are being forced to play an inferior version of the game until the devs address this. Get your head out of your butt.

[Viljong]

I do care if my game is playable or eye hurting 30fps diashow