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Promises, Promises: Xbox 360

Gamecyte writes: "With today's news that Microsoft's Shane Kim and Phil Spencer have been promoted in the wake of marketing VP Jeff Bell's departure, Next-Gen has an interview with the two about the future of the Xbox 360. Spencer and Kim make some upbeat promises for the system - Gears of War 2 will be "huge." Fable 2 will be "huge." Surpassing the success of Halo 3 is just "another benchmark, another milestone to exceed in the future." It's far from unusual for game executives to talk up their consoles and software, but we at GameCyte got to thinking: How many grains of salt should we be taking these with? What sort of a track record do Microsoft and others have when it comes to delivering on their promises? In this, our first look at the promises - and results - surrounding our game systems, GameCyte takes a look back at what the Xbox 360 claimed it would do, and analyze where Microsoft execs have led us astray."

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Mr Bun - 549 days 23 hours ago

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Jack Meahoffer - 549 days 23 hours ago

1.1 - Is it really fair to call MS out for not delivering on promises? Does someone really think Sony or Nintendo has a better record on delivering on promises? Come on

Sony:

What happened to 2 HDMI ports both running native 1080p at 60fps? What happened to 4 Ethernet ports? What happened to Home? In game voice chat? What happened to full backward compatibility?

Nintendo:

What happened to supporting third party developers? What happened to pushing hardcore games and well as casual games? What happened to pushing mature games? What happened to the Wii's online service?

I'm not trying to defend MS per se. I'm just saying calling out one company makes it sound like they somehow have the worst record. I try to be as unbiased as possible. I own all three consoles. I'd have to say Sony has the worst track record on promises this generation by far. Why else would there be articles every week on N4G saying "In game voice chat coming on this date" or "Home coming on this date". Why all the speculation?

Come on. At least make an attempt to be balanced. I guess balanced isn't what you people want on this site.... Hell half of you pray for your favorite console to "WIN" so there will only be one console. Short sighted and childish IMO.

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Mr Bun - 549 days 23 hours ago

1.2 - @Jack

I agree with you...that is the long version of what I wanted to say

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Shadow Flare - 549 days 21 hours ago

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Just for the record Jack Meoff, ps3 has had in-game voice chat for an age and a half. Get with the times

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Exhaust - 549 days 20 hours ago

1.4 - @1.3

So PS3 already lets you chat with friends playing a different game than you and not in the same lobby as you huh? Thats funny... Why would everyone be clamoring for in game XMB if this feature already existed for an "age and a half"?

Maybe you should get with the times or get some reading comprehension...

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Shadow Flare - 549 days 20 hours ago

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In-game voice chat: the ability to talk to others in a game with a headset. That is something the ps3 has been able to do since it launched. What you're refering to is cross game messaging, either voice or text. Correct me if im wrong, but i think thats the correct termanology

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DJ - 549 days 20 hours ago

1.6 - Yeah, PS3 has had in-game chatting since day 1.

It's cross-game chatting that isn't in there yet.

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ry-guy - 549 days 23 hours ago

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I am sure the same type of article could be written up for the Playstation 3 and the Wii.

This is nothing new. Just a flamebait of an article.

Next!

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Jack Meahoffer - 549 days 23 hours ago

2.1 - Thank you

NEXT!

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tplarkin7 - 549 days 23 hours ago

3 - Sony is the biggest liar.

Yes. I said "liar". "Spring 2006 launch", "Dual HTDV support", etc.

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Condoleezza Rice - 549 days 22 hours ago

3.1 - You do realize

That what you're doing right now is considered to be 'damage control' ?

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caffman - 549 days 22 hours ago

3.2 - and what you are doing

is considered "trolling"

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DJ - 549 days 20 hours ago

3.3 - Anyone who's mad that the PS3 doesn't have

3 Internet ports and 2 HDTV connections is a complete moron. Who has three different internet connections in their house, let alone two HDTVs sitting side by side?

Sony wanted a Spring 2006 launch, but the hardware wasn't ready. So they released it when it was ready. Microsoft did the opposite, and it's why the 360 has a 33% failure rate.

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ArmrdChaos - 549 days 19 hours ago

3.4 - Hmmm....

And we have confirmed that the units rolling off the assembly line today have that same failure rate...correct?

Shame on MS for rushing it out but at least they did something about it as apposed to pretending the problem didn't exist (PS2 DVD drives?)

As stated before...this article can be re-written 2 more times about 2 other companies with just as much material.

The only ones I see doing damage control are the pro-Sony people in this thread piling on the MS faults without admitting to Sony's faults (100% backward compatibility?) True gamers would be discussing this as a problem with the industry...not on specific manufacturer. I guess the convenient answer will be "that's not what the article is about", but true gamers would see it as an opportunity to take the discussion above the usual pettiness. I guess that is too much to ask from most of the members of this site.

So...what's with the dogpile fanboys? Are you trying to convince others you made the "superior" choice or you just trying to convince yourselves?

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thewhoopimen - 549 days 19 hours ago

3.5 - @3.4

can you honestly say that the PS2 DVD drive problem ever reached the failure rate level that the xbo360 has? I don't believe so. Its well documented how prevalent the 3 rings problem is.

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ArmrdChaos - 549 days 19 hours ago

3.6 - @3.5

That's not the point. The fact remained that the PS2 DVD issue was substantial enough for people to complain about it and Sony (either because of ego or money) chose to pretend like the problem didn't exist. I wasn't about the argue about magnitude between the 2 incidents but just because the DVD issue may have existed it lesser quantities DOES NOT excuse Sony from what they did.

As I said before...this discussion should be about the WHOLE industry and not just one company. Obviously there are not too many who are emotionally mature enough to take the conversation to that level.

Just more of the "I am better than you are" crap.

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ravenguard88 - 549 days 22 hours ago

4 - This isn't about Sony

It's about Microsoft, and in that case, all I can really say is that Microsoft has done a very good job keeping promises when it comes to the Xbox 360. They have adopted a "don't even mention it until it's almost done" kind of attitude 90% of the time that makes their lives much easier. No lies to tell or keep up with, just innovate or add to the services provided regularly because it's what people expect, want, and deserve.

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tplarkin7 - 549 days 22 hours ago

4.1 - But Sony is the biggest liar by a wide margin.

My point is the petty list of failed promises by MS is nothing compared to the bold-faced lies told by Sony. Sony knew that they would never be able to launch in Spring 2006. They also knew that the RSX could not output to dual HDTVs and maintain decent polycounts and textures. What about the KZ2 video that they said was real? etc., etc....

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Robearboy - 549 days 22 hours ago

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The only promises i am interested in is the delivery of diverse and great games, which has been kept. The article is the work of spin doctors, i am sure that you could do the whole thing again, spin it again and make MS look like saints.

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sak500 - 549 days 22 hours ago

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I agree 100%. 360 is games console foremost and they have been delivering great and diverse content since its launch consistently. Barring RROD and higher priced accessories there is nothing about 360 which is not great. Great online gameplay and features, XBlive, achievements, gamerscore, music list, friends etc not to mention superior multiplatform games, great exclusives, snatched exclusives etc etc. Been gaming new gen since Jan2006 and happy that i enjoyed 100s of hours on this platform and dint have to wait a year and a half after launch to get a decent AAA game.

Lets see them come up with the same article about Sony and see which company really duped its customers.

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Condoleezza Rice - 549 days 22 hours ago

6.1 - Didn't read the article didja ; ) ?

Live Anywhere?Cross platform games?Why,they even touch on the now infamous RROD promises they failed to fulfill!

It's a great article,you should give it a read.

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psycho360 - 549 days 19 hours ago

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@ condo

Maybe if you remove your sony eyepatch and moustache you might be able to a little unbiased.

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BeaArthur - 549 days 22 hours ago

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I haven't ever really felt that Microsoft broke any promises to me. Other than some delays for games I have been satisfied. The fact that they charge you for every little thing is another matter altogether.

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Xi - 549 days 22 hours ago

8 - wow...

half of those aren't even promises, they're just statements.

like the return rate. That's not a promise, and they did give everyone 360 owner a brand spanking new warrenty

then you have most of there's promises repeating twice...

what a bad article.

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caffman - 549 days 22 hours ago

9 - flame bait article

and I just wish to say 1 number and 1 letter

4D

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PirateThom - 549 days 21 hours ago

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wik...

All 4D gaming was supposed to represent is an additional dimention to games. Adding the added element of time having an effect be it leaves decomposing or rust forming to weather and sun changing depending on the real time of day.

They never said "only on PS3" but that the PS3 would be capable of it.

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caffman - 549 days 21 hours ago

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who mentioned $ony?
But since you wish to go there.........
http://www.xbox360fanboy.co...

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PirateThom - 549 days 21 hours ago

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Not sure what that even means, it just seems like fanboys taking a swipe when they obviously don't understand the concept of what 4D represents.

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sak500 - 549 days 19 hours ago

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Care to explain it yourself then? If by 4D he meant time then what has 4D to do with hardware? Games like GRAW2 had day time cycle, Just cause had it so?

LOL @ the comments back in 2006 some of those guys were actually correct in their assesment of Sony's BS hype.

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RAM MAGNUMS - 549 days 21 hours ago

10 - Yeah, this is a useless article.

I dont even care about arguing with the xbox 360 fans if there are any left btw, but even I know singling out M$ is kinda unfair.
They deserve all the scrutiny they are getting now that they are under a microscope.
You know, Microsoft has had its Head chopped off by Sony and I believe they should just bleed and rest in piece. I dont want to dig into their pockets or spit on there grave. They deserve to die honorably. Theses were the people who brought xbox live and set a pinnacle in online gaming after all.

R.I.P

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PimpHandHappy - 549 days 20 hours ago

11 - Hey

didnt Sony promise time travel with the PS3?

im still waiting on that

For ppl that harp on promises made by corperations as something that makes them mad or gives them a reason to hate on something YOU need to get a life and understand why you need one

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iHEARTboobs - 544 days 19 hours ago

11.1 - Damage Control

I agree with the last part of your post but you have to agree it's partly damage control. Either way, I've been to the future and back with my PS3. And I didn't even need a Delorean.

Anyhow, corporations do promise and don't deliver all the time. Sony and Microsoft are just two of the many. I'm sure most owners of the PS3 and 360 are NOT dissappointed in their product. As long as the companies mentioned try to progress their product then i can't be too upset if something doesn't work out.

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DJ - 549 days 20 hours ago

12 - Damn.

That's a lot of broken promises, and even an outright lie amongst the selection. They should have just fessed up to the 360 failure rates from the beginning. A 3 year warranty is worthless considering that the hardware can fall apart at any moment, as well as the fact that people tend to hold onto their consoles for 6~7 years (or even longer).

It should be a lifetime warranty.

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aggh im on fire - 549 days 18 hours ago

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They all break promises but Sony is the king of broken promises so i don't really get this.

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Legion - 549 days 10 hours ago

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Laughable... MS shockingly has the best customer support when it comes to the 3 systems. They produce and then they produce again and again. Sony just keeps giving out claims and NOT living up to them. B3yond is a life for them... it is how they run things,,, advertising b3yond their true product offerings and promising future perfection when the future never becomes the present. Easy to say play b3yond and look to the future when the future is never the present. Sony is a HUGE hype machine.

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PimpHandHappy - 549 days 20 hours ago

2 - you say 1080p isnt needed

and sure you can say that because it hasnt been used in all but a handful of games.

4 years from now im willing to bet more then a handful of games do showcase 1080p

like my fellow Sony fanboys we understand good things come to those who wait

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Pain - 549 days 18 hours ago

3 - M$ nuff Said.

Sony Shoot's for the Moon because they Japanese... they do that..its called Advancing. you cant Go forward with out thinking Big!!

M$ on the other hand cant see the Future or make Advances cuz they COPY and have No Real sense of what people want..HELLO look at there Past track record yea.. speaks for it self. CRAP!

M$ has pulled a 360 on everthing they say, not needing HDMI,bigger HDDs , Arcade 150 size limit ect~

want some more proof of innovation ? M$ makes a BIG A$$ Table...M$ makes RROD2....
... Apple make iPhone.... Sony makes PS3...

Sony can say all they want i dont care, but M$ lol spews just crap.

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