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Mario U Director Explains Why 2D Mario Games Sell Better

The New Super Mario Bros. series, despite whatever you may say about creativity, sells well. So well, in fact, that Nintendo may resort to releasing two in the span of one year. Scores for the New Super Mario Bros. series, however, tend to be a little bit more average than the games’ huge numbers might lead on. Sure, the games are fun and traditional, but in the wake of expansive and clever games like Super Mario Galaxy, they’re not particularly impressive.

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darthv724135d ago (Edited 4135d ago )

i enjoy both 2d as well as the 3d mario games. i grew up on 2d platformers and shmups and side scrolling action adventure as well as rpg.

Most younger gamers (1995 to current) dont know much about the fun of the golden age of gaming. they know only of the PS1 and up which was more about shifting from 2d side scrollers to more isometric and 3d styles.

i dont have any problem with either but those who only know the current stuff love to talk trash about what we old timers considered fun with games like the original SMB or sonic or even going back further with games like combat or pitfall on the 2600.

i would gladly appreciate a mario galaxy 3 if nintendo was to release one just as much as a mario bro-u 2. both styles have their own way to provide fun for the player.

MattyG4135d ago (Edited 4135d ago )

I feel lucky, I was born in '96 (do the math) and don't consider sidescrollers old in the slightest. We had two systems in our house, a SEGA Genesis and a PS1, but for the most part my first gaming experiences were on the Genesis (Sonic, Jurassic Park, that Pac-Man sidescrolling RPG). I'm glad I began gaming juuuust before 3D gaming was big, I'd hate to be one of these kids that doesn't know about Pong or the ORIGINAL Sonic (none of this Sonic Unleashed garbage).

darthv724135d ago

my all time favorite platform.

when my oldest was born in 98, i made sure he started from at least the NES when it came to gaming. Same routine was done for my youngest when he was born in 02.

both had to cut their teeth on the NES before moving on to something newer. It gave them a better appreciation of gaming today having played some of the best the older systems had to offer.

guitarded774135d ago

@darth: Hahaha... We're old :/

It's all about nostalgia. 2D Mario goes back to its roots, and brings in players of all ages. 2D is also more accessible. Some people cannot navigate a 3D environment and end up staring at the sky spinning in circles.

darthv724135d ago

with age comes wisdom and a sense of respect and appreciation of what you have experience with.

While i may not be as quick as my kids to catch on to a newer game, I can certainly school them in all things retro.

Donkey Kong aint got s**t on me.

NukaCola4135d ago

My favorite Mario games are the two RPG series, which are both 2D and Asymmetric 2D.

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Temporary4135d ago

Personally i attribute it to one word. NOSTALGIA.

I'd rather play 2D mario games because it reminds me of the awesome mario games from when I was younger. Those will never go out of style.

lilbroRx4135d ago

Ah, the good old, nostalgia claim. The insult used to dismiss the claims that gaming isn't as good as it once was by attributing it people being more familiar with it.

My 12 and 6 year old niece and nephew prefer 2D games. They're original exposure to gaming wat the Xbox 360 with Halo and Enchanted arms. I couldn't get them to play a 360 game when let them get a hold to my old SNES games or when I played New Super Mario Brothers on my Wii. My nephew also loves the hell out of pokemon games on the handheld.

I guess they like 2D games because of "NOSTALGIA".

Temporary4135d ago (Edited 4135d ago )

Not saying theyre not good games, but the reason they get so many more sales is because the OLDER gamers like myself enjoy picking up and playing Mario 2D games because it reminds me of the older Gen mario games.

When you release games nowadays theyre geared mostly for the NOW genereation. The 2D mario games have a much broader demographic because of its appeal to those of us who were raised with the NES. So they'll get more sales from both the young, and the old gamers.

I agreed with you because youre also right. The 2D games appeal to children because theyre much more simple and straightforward pick up and play games. Not like the 3D ones where you have to know where youre going.

nintendoland4135d ago

wow you're so lame. Even if someone (not me) was born in 1999 he/she could still play all the great snes and nes games. They are not exclusive only for those who grew up that time.

darthv724135d ago

I cant remember the statistic but there was a report many years ago that said something to the effect of those who got into gaming at the PS1 time frame tended to only look forward and not back.

Meaning that they were apt to pass up the games from consoles prior in lieu of what was out at the time. Its been like that in gaming before. there are certain generations that tend to be the starting point and grow from there.

With each new console generation comes the idea that newer gamers will be reluctant to try something that is older because of the loss in fidelity they have become accustomed to.

Its not an insult to them if they choose not to play the older games but there is some stigma from the newer gamers that results to a lack of respect the older games.

no need to insult me on something that is pretty obvious. i encourage more to go back to the gaming roots as it tends to really make them understand the history behind this industry.

iNFAMOUZ14135d ago

mario u director prefers 2d games not cause they sell better, which they probably dont, but because their lazy to make 3d games, nintendo in general has been super lazy, i haven't heard of any decent games lined up or anything, ! embarassing really.

mamotte4135d ago

Do you realize almost no companies do 2D plattform games these days, right? Only indie developers.

Shall we call for a "Lazy industry" emergency state?

KillerPwned4135d ago

I love 2D Mario of course but I would love a successor to Mario 64. Another Mario game in that type of world would be amazing. I know Galaxy has some worlds that can relate to that game but I am talking about a hole new Mario game that is just like Mario 64. I really hope with the launch of the Wii U we can see something like what we saw with Mario 64 I think that could use the tablet in amazing ways.

darthv724135d ago

is probably the closts to a successor to 64 but that is a love it or hate it kind of game.

Lots of good intentions went into it but just a few bad ideas can ruin the experience. Overall though, it is still fun to play.

Having a remake of 64 for the wii-u and using the gamepad camera to point around when it comes to doing the first person perspective would be really nice to see.

linkratos4135d ago (Edited 4135d ago )

Yeah I think they tried to make the levels too big. 64 hit the sweet spot of level size, there was exploration but still focus, making the levels more fun and manageable to explore. Also 15 levels instead of 8 allowed for more variety. Not to mention how magical the castle was.

jakmckratos4135d ago

SHort answer...people are IDIOTS

BlackWolf4135d ago (Edited 4135d ago )

Sorry about this, but it seems you don't understand that there are people, me included, that still like the 2d games. There aren't many of the right now.

ShaunCameron4135d ago (Edited 4135d ago )

Yeah. Only to those who started playing video games after 1997 or 2002.

Subzero2004135d ago

maybe because their not a choir.

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Nintendo's Massacre Of The 3DS And Wii U Is Finally Complete, Regrettably

Hanzala from eXputer: "The cruel hammer of Nintendo has fallen. Farewell, 3DS and Wii U, you surely brightened my life and many others; you won't be forgotten."

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Xbox's Preservation Step Sets A Much-Needed Example, Especially For Nintendo

Hanzla from eXputer inquires: "If Xbox can care about preserving its games and legacy, what exactly is wrong with Nintendo, trying to kill game preservation single-handedly?"

purple10111d ago

Ahh yes the good old game preservation of saving all your games to a removable hhd on the Xbox 360, taking it round your mates house, setting up multiple tvs to
Be met with “save data corrupted, please re download”

Or how about removing 360 games
From the store
, download them now or else, and, better hope to god that save data doesn’t corrupt, or it’s lost for ever

Nice one ☝️

Zeref10d ago

It's better than what Nintendo and Playstation is doing. It might not be perfect but at least they are TRYING. Unlike the others.

DarXyde10d ago

Trying? Take off the blinders for a moment, mate.

1. A failure to preserve games is just that: a failure to preserve games. Don't try to sugarcoat it: NO ONE is doing it properly. Better than awful is nothing to write home about.

2. At the time of this comment, isn't it the case that you need an internet connection to play Xbox games even if you buy physical discs that are hardly in circulation anymore? I don't have a Series X and I can't verify, but I think that is correct. I'm fairly certain you can at least play PS5 games at version 1.0 (not much of a win really when many games require day one patches). I think Microsoft's all digital, licensing approach is by far more aggressive than anyone else's. They really try to push you to game pass where you lose your entire library by umm.... Skipping a month of payments.

I don't think anyone is doing it right whatsoever. Don't get me started on Nintendo, who goes after anyone looking to preserve their games better than they ever would with extreme litigation.

Don't be a simp for any of these companies. Get it together.

PhillyDonJawn10d ago (Edited 10d ago )

@DarX never speak on Xbox again. You lost all credibility with your internet connection comment. Smh you have 0 clue and misinformed yet speaking on something you don't no squat about.

Einhander197210d ago

What has Sony done exactly? You guys keep deflecting to Sony but I am not actually seeing any results, and ai am certain nothing that you can come up with even comes close to what Microsoft has done and what they have tried and failed to do, like tie all your disks to your account on xbone.

Microsoft removed their whole indie section when they moved to the xbone because they were going to only allow games on the service that came from a publisher, id@xbox started after xbone launched and it only exists because Sony embraced indie and Microsoft was forced to cancel their plans and reverse course.

And every single game that was part of games for windows live including disk games (I have gta 4 on disk that won't work) so hundreds of games that use that DRM no longer work unless the company themselves patched it out which of course very few did.

MrBaskerville10d ago

Not trying. Tried. they killed of the backcomp program years ago. They set something up again, but sounds like it's more of an attempt to save the current library on whatever they are planning next. With luck they save everything and more, but let's see. I could see them killing off parts of the OG xbox and 360 libraries. Can't imagine that they would allow us to play Forza 5-7 in the future.

With that said, I do like what they've done and really wish they could have done more.

shinoff218310d ago

Zeref

So killing off physical media is trying what exactly. Ms don't really give a fk if you think they do your kidding yourself.

Profchaos10d ago

They are not trying this team is established for forward compatability the team is. It interested in preserving Xbox or 360 games.

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isarai11d ago

Is that why Hellblade 2 is digital only?

Zeref10d ago

Just because it's digital only doesn't mean you can't preserve it. Just put it on an external and you have the exact same functionality of what a disc does.

MrNinosan10d ago

Guess you're trolling, but if you actually think that's how it works, I'd recommend buying some braincells.

mkis00710d ago (Edited 10d ago )

Volitile vs nonvolitile data. A disc will not corrupt either. A drive can be corrupted.

Einhander197211d ago

This is just a scammy PR move to distract from the fact they are going digital only and trying to push streaming and subscriptions only.

No gaming company has pushed harder to remove ownership than Microsoft.

Without discs there is no preservation, preservation can't be done by the rights holders it can only be done by the consumers, anything else is a lie.

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Einhander197211d ago

Anyone remember xblig which Microsoft removed their whole 360 indie section removing hundreds of games from people?

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Zeref10d ago

Do you know you can put your games on an external and preserve them that way? There are no benefits to discs. ZERO. Idk why some of you are still obsessed with them.

DarXyde10d ago

Because games like Persona 5 exist. It's STILL V1.00. On Playstation, that's a win because 1.00 is installed on the disc—no need to download anything.

If a game does not require any updates, it's all on the disc.

Extremely low bar in the modern era, of course. It's not much of a win by any stretch.

But for now, physical media does have a purpose, at least on Playstation.

Einhander197210d ago

That is factually not how game licensing works, try plugging your hard drive into someone else xbox, It's not going to work, and it won't work if the licensing servers ever go down.

Einhander197210d ago

Anyone remember games for windows live.

I have around a dozen games, some on Steam itself that will not work because Microsoft shut off the licensing servers.

BehindTheRows10d ago (Edited 10d ago )

I do. I STILL have games (Gears of War being the big one) I cannot access because Games for Windows LIVE is total garbage and no one has held Microsoft accountable.

Zeref10d ago (Edited 10d ago )

You don't have an Xbox apparently. Because you can 100 percent plug in your external and play games from it on any Xbox console lol. You just have to be logged in to prove ownership.

Chevalier10d ago

"You don't have an Xbox apparently. Because you can 100 percent plug in your external and play games from it on any Xbox console lol. You just have to be logged in to prove ownership."

Damn how many times do people got to explain your idiocy to you? You can take a copy of Persona 5 like someone used as an example and play that game on ANY console WITHOUT logging in which means I can lend the game to a friend without internet and they can play my game. Can you lend your hard drive to anyone without logging in for them to play? NOPE. That is a huge difference and if you think otherwise then sorry you're an idiot.

Tacoboto10d ago

"No gaming company has pushed harder to remove ownership than Microsoft."

Ubisoft is literally erasing games people bought from their libraries... My PS1-3 discs are useless on modern hardware. Nintendo's re-published and resold almost their entire Wii U library, and the eShop is completely dead with no BC mechanism in the Switch software. Microsoft publishes everything they make today day one on Steam and Xbox/Windows. Sony only brings to PC the titles they think you might want some years later and Nintendo won't even design a functional long-lasting joystick.

You're absolutely trolling and not serious if you think Microsoft today is the worst offender.

shinoff218310d ago

Yay steam

Not everyone fks with computers though. The disc is still the best way as a console player. Period.

Tacoboto10d ago

How do Sony and Nintendo feel about these discs from 2001-2013?

Don't be stupid, you know Xbox is the best at this today.

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Hofstaderman10d ago

Nobody wants this. Sales or the lack of it in the case of XBOX is very telling. I wonder how the adorably all digital series X will fare. Adorably dismal perhaps?

crazyCoconuts10d ago

Only time will tell, but for from someone like me suspecting that Xbox is trying to gracefully exit the console market, that "forward compatibility" team is trying to get Xbox games playing on Windows PCs. I mean, it's nice that they're not planning on exiting with a "enjoy your games while the hardware still works" message, so that's nice. They still have a brand to protect via Microsoft so probably feel obligated to have a better exit strategy.

Xeofate10d ago (Edited 10d ago )

That is not their plan, their plan is to transfer users accounts to the cloud.

Phil Spencer himself said as much a few months back, plans could have changed but I think people are reading way too much into one statement where Phil said he would allow Epic on xbox because he wants to be able to sell xbox games directly on other platforms. Aka, instead of selling Sea of Thives through PSN he wants to have an xbox store to sell his games on PlayStation without giving PlayStation any money.

Again, it's extremely unlikely that Phil plans to put PC on xbox and licensing would prevent them from just giving out other publishers games purchased on xbox copies of thier games on PC, Microsoft does not own their games.

crazyCoconuts9d ago

The thing that doesn't align with the cloud strategy is the giving up on exclusives. You'd still need strong exclusives for cloud streaming - it's still a "platform" , just with a lower upfront hardware investment. I feel like they've learned what PS learned with PSNow long ago. We're not ready to stream games and it's only gonna lose them money to try at this point

FinalFantasyFanatic10d ago

I would love that, I'd buy up some of the Xbox games if they could run on PC, like the Rare Replay, Lost Odyssey and Dead or Alive Ultimate, probably a pipe dream though.

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Nintendo's War Against Player-Made Content Will Hurt The Company In The End

Danish from eXputer: "Nintendo has historically gone against player-made content and emulation of its games. This has done much to harm the company's image."

XiNatsuDragnel17d ago

I agree nintendo hire some these folks to help in your games it'll help imo.

banger8817d ago

They need to stop announcing these mods and fan remakes until they're finished. Finish it, upload it, and then if Nintendo dmca's it tough shit. Once it's online, people can share it around, even if the original download gets taken down.

Jingsing16d ago

True, but most modders need constant admiration during the process to motivate them.

PRIMORDUS16d ago

Yup, once it's a torrent nothing can be done Nintendo is helpless at that point. But it would be wise if they just had a site on the dark web, it's also easy to use with Tor and no one will bother you.

mastershredder16d ago

This is all coming from the mouth of short-sighted fandom and grifting madness.
No.... it wont. There is a clear defined reason why they don't. This is nothing new. Make your own shi7 from your own original ideas especially if you are trying to capitalize of it it. Duh.

Yeah, hire people that have zero respect or understanding for an established process. Wow. Yep. Totally makes sense.

shinoff218316d ago

Those guys that made that sonic game got a gig from sega or something along those lines and that game was dope as hell. One of the best sonics as of late.