Microsoft are in danger of becoming the friend that no one really likes

Sean @ FG: Microsoft and Xbox need to reign in their PR spin before they become the friend that no on really likes…

Every friend group has one. It’s that asshole friend who nobody really likes but still gets to hang around with you because everyone is too polite to tell them to jump off a cliff. They lie to try to impress you, they do dumb things that inconvenience everyone and they criticize others to make themselves look better. If you don’t think your friend group has one of these, you’re probably the friend.

[XiNatsuDragnel]

Wow article that Basically sums up their management.

[Death]

The article basically sums up your opinion of their management. I can easily substitute Ryan for Spencer and make an equally compelling case against Sony. It really depends on what you want to see.

[4Sh0w]

XiNatsuDragnel,

Why do most of your comments seem as if you read the headline and agree without any sort of free thinking or original opinion of your own?

Headline: "The Sky is falling"
XiNatsuDragnel: "The end is finally here"
Me: "Did you bother to look outside?...pffft, nevermind, that would require you to think for yourself."

OT, Microsoft has problems but the author is being overdramatic for hits. Phil is working hard for Xbox fans, of course he's a target of ps fanboys, thats par for the course.....nothing to see here.

[-Foxtrot]

Jesus

Phil makes his mouth go non stop for years bigging things up, failing to deliver and the like

Jim Ryan opens his fat mouth around gaming events such as E3 says some shit in the poorest way possible and suddenly they are exactly the same

No comparison...seriously

[shinrock]

Perfect statement^

[Death]

@Foxtrot,

I wouldn't say they are the same way, I like Phil more. Ryan isn't a gamer, he's a finance guy for Sony. Ryan's opinions make this very clear. Phil is a gamer and has been part of Xbox in different capacities from the beginning. Phils mouth is supposed to be moving, he's literally in charge of Xbox. I would rather he participate and communicate with gamers than hide behind a desk and make the occasional out of touch comment about gaming.

Maybe it's me, but I could see sitting down and having a beer with Phil and talk about gaming since I'm sure after a hard day at work that's what he would want to do. I imagine Ryan would be more a gin and tonic guy that would rather talk about stocks and finance.

[freshslicepizza]

The whole E3 I agree with, Phil standing on stage with all this exclusivity mixed messaging. They are now also backtracking on what true 4K is. I will give the author that but for them to single out Minecraft as the reason Sony said no is poor journalism. This predates long before that with Nintendo of all companies willing to play with others and Sony giving a big cold shoulder then too. Nintendo just told the world, hey if people want to play together what's the problem? How does Sony control anything on the PC and manage those complaints? The PC is the least secure of them all but Sony is ok with that platform.

This whole generation is about making as much revenue as possible. Remove BC, remove the ability to play CD's so no PS1 game support either or listening to music. Push Playstation Now instead, then charge for online multiplayer and block EA Access in the process. Everything they have done is designed to keep people on Playstation while locking the door from others trying to get in. Can you blame them when they alsmost went bankrupt. Nintendo just surpassed Sony for capital worth as a company. Nintendo is worth more than Sony!

Sony has a history of creating very loyal fans who will fight for them all the way. It's sad really going from consumer to fanatic. What's funny is Microsoft used to be real assholes and now they have taken pages from Sony's playbook while it is Sony now being the dictator signing exclusive deals and not wanting to play with anyone.

[JasonKCK]

4Sh0w because that's what XiNatsuDragnel actually does. He/she admitted it a while back.

[ninsigma]

Agreed on Ryan but that's one person while everyone at MS talks BS. It's clear as day they're going out out their way to be deceiving to those who easily fall for such things.

[_-EDMIX-_]

@4Show- well agreed and jason is correct, they stated a while back that they do that.

"Microsoft has problems but the author is being overdramatic for hits" Agreed.

"Phil is working hard for Xbox fans,"

I don't know if I can say all that. Phil is working hard for MS, they sign his checks. What ever is going on at MS, its clear they are not allowing certain things done, ie the making of AAA new IPs. We've seen least from MS now in that area then we ever have in the last 2 generations.

XB was all new IPs from them clearly being the first,

360, They may have lost Mass Effect, but MS still funded and invested in a new IP, Gears Of War too, they didn't own that IP at the time, but still invested in it, it shows intent.

I saw that with Scalebound, but with it getting canned, they went from very little, to very few, bringing games to PC went from some exclusives, to no more exclusives. Basically reasons to own a XONE have been shrinking every single year.

I think MS can do fine as they still have 3rd party support and they'll still make the classic Halo, Forza, Gears connection, but its clear that going PC, closing studios, cancelling games has deeply effected their brand in regards to XB.

It makes buying an XB very questionable to most gamers. I don't its as bad as the author states.

I'm not even sure I'd say some of those are "lies" 4K is a resolution, how you get to that resolution is a different story. I wouldn't really say that is a "lie".

The promises, I also can't say is a "lie", consider if things go bad with Phantom Dust, Fable 4, Fable Legends, Scalebound etc, they didn't plan it, but had to take action, maybe it was funding issues, they didn't like the direction, they wanted to focus on more MP, Co-op etc who knows, but what ever happened, I don't think they planned it from the start of those games development.

So I get it sucks, but I can't say its based on a "lie"

They have their terms in terms of "console exclusive" or what ever, but they are still a company lol

I don't like that they kept using those terms to mislead, but considering their situation, I get it.

[Phill-Spencer]

Lol @ moldy

"Sony has a history of creating very loyal fans who will fight for them all the way. It's sad really going from consumer to fanatic"

Isn't it more like ms has these fans with them but at a even more alarming rate?

Those who still clinched on to x1 even after the terrible past 3+ years. That shows really deep, deep loyalty
And also accepting and praising everthing phil says and does with the xbox brand, screams of loyalty. (Only multiplatform games, bc more important than new games, hardware more important than software)

[Nightmar3Demom]

Ah, and there it is, the false equivalency argument

[jrshankill]

@ -Foxtrot

Most folks just skip your comments now as you're a proven fanboy. When I see tails, I know its fails

[CoinOrc]

@Death
How do you he is a gamer? Because he says he is? I don't really care whether or not he is a "gamer". I care about what he does, and so far, he hasn't delivered on his promises.

[Goldby]

@moldy
"Everything they have done is designed to keep people on Playstation while locking the door from others trying to get in"
They are still selling ps4s so i don't know what you are talking about. wanna play with ps4 players, either get a ps4 or hope the game is cross play on PC.

"Can you blame them when they alsmost went bankrupt"
They didn't go bankrupt or nearly due to their gaming division. it was other products that they were creating that weren't selling. Hence why they sold off their computer division and no focus mainly on audio equiipment and cell phones through Sony and Playstation and its related products and service through SIE.

" Nintendo is worth more than Sony! "
and SIe is wirth more value than the xbox game division so what?

"What's funny is Microsoft used to be real assholes and now they have taken pages from Sony's playbook while it is Sony now being the dictator signing exclusive deals and not wanting to play with anyone."

no talk about your timed launch exclsuives? thats a shame moldy i thought you would have grown a spine and repeated what you did in a PM to me out in public.

[yomfweeee]

Please compare Ryan to Spencer, I'll be waiting.

Spencer and Microsoft have consistently lied and blown smoke up our asses for years. Ryan says something we don't like about Sony's stance on cross-play.

How does that even begin to compare?

[1Victor]

@ death that would be a interesting short read as long as it's based on reality

[rainslacker]

Ryan make a couple comments over the past few weeks which basically state that Sony isn't interested in something and you compare him to Spencer who has something to say almost every week and constantly back tracks on what he says because he only says what people want to hear for PR purposes rather than stating a position for the company?

Seems fair I guess.

As far as Phil being a gamer....so what? I know a lot of gamers who I consider a**hole friends that no one really likes. Ryan I have no feelings for whatsoever, because he is just a marketing guy who dispenses information where appropriate. Sometimes that information I don't like, and sometimes that information isn't said very well, but at least he's stating a position for Sony and not rambling on in every direction in an effort to make us like him and seem like one of us.

[sampson3121]

" I can easily substitute Ryan for Spencer and make an equally compelling case against Sony."

ok, let's hear it

[S2Killinit]

Its right on. That's exactely the vibe you get whenever MS opens its mouth. Its like they literally think you are an idiot.

[XanderZane]

Pretty much. Ryan is a dick. Reminds me of Trenton. Only one I like at Sony is Yoshida. Ryan's explanation on why they don't want cross-play with Microsoft, Switch & PC was just lame.

I agree that Phil probably needs to stay off of social media for awhile and become quiet like Yoshida. Let Major Nelson talk and make a fool of himself for a little while. Phil really doesn't need to say much unless some major is about to happen. I know he likes speaking to the developers and doing interviews, but he should reign some of that in until the Fall.

I'll be interested to see with this guy has to say about Sony. He said he would do an article about them next.

[joab777]

Maybe before you could. I liked Phil, but lately his comments have really worried me. It's as if MS has a vision and wants to take us somewhere we don't wanna go yet. I just don't understand why companies can't understand a simple edict. Software drives console sales! And while mp games and micros make a lot of money, often more than sp games, it is sp games that entice ppl to spend $400 in a console.

Right now, excluding PC, which is arguably the best platform to play on, Sony is doing what we want. They have been investing in games since the beginning of the generation. They ARE the must own console because of the simple numver of games that cannot be played elsewhere. MS will have a power advantage, but at what cost? It would be a no trainer if they also had 6-10 major AAA exclusive IPs. We would have to own both. As of now, it seems that Nintendo, despite selling a console on its previous consoles promises, is the clear 2nd console to own! Why? Because of its sp AAA games, that can't be played elsewhere.

It's a simple premises that MS perfected last gen...Well, until someone decides that Netflix was more important than games!

[Skull521]

People are just salty because they're following the increase in power to its logical conclusion

PS4: 1.8TF
PS4 Pro: 4.2TF (2.3x increase)
PS5: 9.8TF (2.3x)

Xbox One: 1.3TF
XBOX: 6TF (4.6x increase)
XBox Next Gen: 27.6TF (4.6x)

The Sony fanboys are clearly seeing Sony going more in the direction of Nintendo and not caring about power anymore, and thus we end up with articles like this to bash Microsoft.

[Realms]

@Death and Moldy

Actions speak louder than words MS has made terrible decisions and mistakes again and again, and while they have corrected some it still doesn't change that their initial vision was garbage. Sony isn't perfect but they are industry leaders because they give gamers what they want GAMES. I find it utterly amazing how you two only see what you want to see as well. MS closed studios, MS canceled games, MS promised true 4K, that's their problem right there always promising the moon only to come up short. What vision did they have for the OG xbox one? Is that what gamers wanted? MS released a weaker system and over priced it to sell Kinect only to drop it, then said we know let's give them 4K UHD which gamers weren't asking for with the xbox S and yet again said you know what let's sell them on true 4K which we know now is BS. Without ever addressing the elephant is the room a more diverse GAMES library!! I do prefer PS but if MS made a compelling argument with their game line up me and many like me would consider buying an xbox as it stands MS is doing the same BS PR they have always done all while offering less variety and that's the reason they are losing.

[its_JEFF]

TBH Ryan's only been saying dumb sh*t recently, he seemed fine up until this year. IDK maybe he's getting older and his filter is running thin? This opinion is on Ryan, only... Not Phil, wouldn't want to catch sh*t for saying anything bad about the guy.

Also, you don't know if Ryan is a gamer. You're judging him based on his title and the way he looks? What just cause he doesn't wear gaming t-shirts and spit PR statements at you? Don't get it twisted, these are President/Managers of corporations. They are in it for the money, they do as thy are told. You've never worked for Phil, Ryan, or even Shuhei... you don't really know what they're like. You see their public persona.

[IGiveHugs2NakedWomen]

Microsoft's problem in a few words; Too much double talk and spin, not enough high quality exclusives.

[Kribwalker]

What's funny is it seems Nintendo and Xbox are becoming great friends, based off of the cross play ability between the two, it seems PlayStation is the friend that's not joining the party

[freshslicepizza]

https://www.youtube.com/wat...

One again Jim Sterling gets it. (starts at 3:08)

[Eonjay]

It's not really that extreme. Remember they are all just companies.

[DAEMONIFEAR]

The confusion is Sony talks crap behind everyone's back but reality is no one likes Sony amd think they're arrogant aholes whilst MS and Nintendo have had that step brother moment and realized they're best friends!

[mochachino]

In competition, people always gang up against the dominant person if you can't join them. It's a basic survival tactic.

[rainslacker]

Has Nintendo really ever been contentious with any competition in the past 15 years? Since the PS2 days I think they just went and did their own thing.

I wouldn't say they're great friends yet. One feature doesn't really mean that. But I doubt any of these companies hold any animosity towards the other.

[indysurfn]

PS4 Pro, and SWITCH for me are the top systems (yeah I own xbox one). People forgot that when Microsoft was in the lead back in the 360 days they refused cross play. Why? Because they was in the lead(in the USA) and it would help the competition! Now that they are behind again they want cross play. And Sony is returning the favore to Microsoft. Microsoft is NOT closer to Nintendo then Sony is.

[sampson3121]

sony's party is the biggest in town. why would they need to join other more smaller parties"

[S2Killinit]

You mean MS paid Nintendo to share their instal base so xbox multiplayer games wouldnt be devoid of players.

[IGiveHugs2NakedWomen]

You must be one of these folks who actually believes that these companies are on your side...

You and others, such as Moldy and Death, refuse to accept the reality of this situation;

Microsoft, Nintendo, and Sony only see you as a dollar sign.
https://s3.amazonaws.com/th...

I have no idea why Xbox fans are trying so hard to save face, while trying to defend and justify the decisions Phil Spencer and Microsoft have made over the last 3.5 years.

If you still think Microsoft is on your side and they are the good guys, think back to E3 and how they intentionally and repeatedly tried to mislead people buy announcing timed exclusives as "EXCLUSIVE."

Gullible until the very end.

[Kribwalker]

@hugs
Well that was a reach. I've stated multiple times before that all these companies care about is profits. Pulling all of that out of a simple statement is stretching pretty far

[mark_parch]

yep i can see why people would hate microsoft after giving xbox owners the chance to use ea access, giving xbox owners the chance to use the game preview program, letting gamers get both xbox and pc versions of a game for the price of one, letting xbox players play with other platforms, letting xbox owners play there old 360 and og xbox games for free. they are so evil

[bolimekurac]

exactly

[Condemnedman]

truth. these articles are appearing now because of the launch of the X and the fanboys can't stand that there will be better versions of games on a console they don't own.

[CoinOrc]

Those are good features but none of those features you mention involve making more games. At the end of the day, features are good but you need compelling games to sell your console.

[EatCrow]

@CoinOrc

But it doesnt automatically turn them into assholes how does it. In fact you can argue the opposite is true. Even their exclusives are being spread to PC therefore allowing others more access to them.

Nothing asshole about that.

[rainslacker]

I'm all for the features being added and what not. But the a**hole friend part comes from their attitudes towards the competition, and the way they market their system by just saying what they think people want to hear, sometimes without any actual implementation, or their penchant for changing their stance on things down the line.

However, at this point, I don't think MS is in danger of becoming that kind of friend. As it is, people either like them, hate them, or don't care either way. They're becoming more annoying as they seem almost desperate for attention at times, but they have a console to market, so it's just a matter of focusing more on what they can deliver, and not worrying so much about trying to seem better than everyone else as if they're constantly trying to validate their own reason for being part of the group.....to extend the analogy of the article title at least.

[Scatpants]

I don't hate them I just feel they don't make enough games and I already have 2 machines that play multiplats.

[mark_parch]

@CoinOrc The point I'm trying to make is sony doesn't offer any of those free features but I don't see any articles calling sony an asshole friend. With regards to games the first half of this year has been very disappointing for xbox but there are plenty of great games on the horizon like motorsport 7, ori and the will of the wisp, state of decay 2, sea of thieves, cuphead and some great timed exclusives like player unknowns battlegrounds, below, ashen and the last night to name a few. I'm not saying ps4 is bad I have a ps4 pro which I also really enjoy but all this hate towards xbox has to stop

[Rippcity]

Yep Xbox is the devil for doling out features left and right, oh and to top it off they are all FREE! I'm not going to try and sugarcoat the fact that MS exclusives are dwindling but these Sony kids are acting like there are literally 0 games on the Xbox. Horizon, Persona and Bloodborne are the only exclusive titles I've played on my PS4, while on my Xbox I've played Halo 5, Sunset Overdrive and Forza Horizon 2. No more and no less for each system. Not all exclusives appeal to everyone. Each system has a decent amount of games. Xbox is the one giving us free features for nothing. I mean shit Sony still refuses to give Psp owners the ability to use it as a mirrored screen to use a Ds4 with (yes I know there is a workaround). Sony has done nothing but hold features back for their supporters while Xbox is handing them out like hotcakes.

[indysurfn]

I can see why people hate Microsoft seeing how they tried to stop people from trading in their own games. (which Microsoft is actually doing in CHINA to this very day)

I can see why people hate Micorosft seeing how they tried to limit people to sharing their game a maximum of10 times and pass it off as better then infinite (which Microsoft is doing right now in CHINA).

I can see why people hate Microsoft seeing how they tried to make people sign in 24 hours just to play a game offline(which, you guessed it, they are doing RIGHT NOW in CHINA).

Their fixed it for you.

[indysurfn]

I can see why people hate microsoft after they got us to buy a xbox one while promising 1st party exclusives.
Only to make their top exclusives on a system they already owned. I gaming PC!

I can see why people hate Microsoft seeing how they are saying stand alone hard core games not their future.

I can see why people hate Microsoft seeing how they are promoting DLC, and Micro transactions as also the future.

Their fixed it again for you.

[indyman7777]

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[CoinOrc]

@Eatcrow
Then why do I care whether or not they are "assholes"? If you make good quality games and sell them at a reasonable price, then I am going to buy them. I don't really care what they say to some interviewer about backwards compatibility or cross play. Judging by sales, most people don't either. The only thing I care about is games, not what some PR person said in some interview.

[CoinOrc]

@mark-parch
I've seen plenty of articles criticizing sony's stance on backwards compatibility and cross play so the hate goes both ways. Why should criticism towards Microsoft "need to stop"? I haven't turned on my Xbox One since I played quantum break last year. I will stop criticizing them when they pump out games of the same quality and quantity as the competition.

[Mbofa6om]

Hey dude don't blame them. They still can play ps3 ans ps2 games via ps now and/or remasters on their own ps4. But they have to pay, they like to pay money for sony because sony has fears of her babies don't know how to spent money, so sony protects them from many bad things.
Sony deserve their money because their brain stopped working, to protect them, people and country. think about a person if he had an old version of a game on his old console, then he wants to play it again and bought a remastered version, you think he can think well? I mean did he has a brain? Because old game gives him 600p and the remastered version worked on 1080p and wants to collect the trophies. I'm sure their brains has a very long holiday.
Don't think a lot. There are so many people thinks that destiny is an exclusive game. Standard ps4 can run the games on 1080/60, etc.
Sony has the full right to abrsorb their money to protect us.

[kingjames18]

All we have to do is look at your downvotes and know we have a lot of salty sony fans on this website.

[kingjames18]

INDYMAN77 - You do know that your 4 post rant had a common denominator. ""CHINA"" what does ""CHINA"" have a big problem with? Oh thats right they like to create cheap versions of everything and steal intellectual property as well as pirate(more than anyone else). So don't you think MS would want to make sure their system is as "Secure" as possible in a country where things aren't very secure? So in other words I don't think anyone gives a flying F if MS decided to keep those restrictions in China, except you.

[indyman7777]

@kingsman thats a funny excuse for Microsoft doing evil. Last time I checked Sony and Nintendo are not having to do that.

[XStation4pio_Pro]

I'm wondering at what point your comments will actually be objective to the larger picture. right now at least to me, i don't really respect your opinion because your opinion is just whatever is pro sony and anti ms - even to the point of being completely wrong on some things and other things clearly demonstrating complete naivety. thats unfortunate. we don't have to agree. there are plenty of people on here that i disagree with, but i still respect them because they have valid points or i can at least understand where they are coming from. i haven't seen that from you.

[DivoJones]

Wow reply that basically sums up this website.

[EddieNX]

Can we have more titles like this! Even if don't agree lol

[PhoenixUp]

Becoming?

I'm pretty sure they've become that for a lot of people, especially in the global market

[Gazondaily]

N4G is not the global market 🤣

[DragonDDark]

Their sales outside the US & UK are poor. What more do you need to know?

[SynKakarrot]

LMAO couldn't agree more

[BiggerBoss]

What's your point? Surely you don't think Xbox is doing well in the global market?

[Dark_Knightmare2]

Where in his comment did he say n4g was the global market.

[GamingCentaur]

You think all N4G users are from the USA? Lol

[PhoenixUp]

@ Septic

N4G isn't the reason that Microsoft's Xbox brand has always performes abysmally in Asia and RoW territories. 😑

[Gazondaily]

That's entirely different to what the article is saying though. Poor performance is one thing. That "asshole friend that no one likes"...that makes little sense.

[Saigon]

@Septic,

Maybe they should have said the friend that people tolerate but secretly do not like. You know the friend that gets on everyone nerves, leaches, steals, never reliable, always changing their story...you know that friend; but somehow they are still your friend.

[ARESWARLORD]

I don't know what this crazy clickbait is but I'll tell you straight up I'm a PC guy and on Console I'm a Sony guy what Sony is starting to not be for the gamer in my opinion they don't want to do the multi-platform play options that Microsoft and Sony are willing to do. They still haven't given backwards compatibility with the PS2 or PS3 that's absolutely crazy how could you run the PlayStation Store still to this day sell PS3 games and cut it there give the owners of these games no way to play them in the future they no longer support the PS3 system as in produce it it's a dead system that they're making money on it still a cash cow but they don't want me to play my games on my PS4. It's a bit of a rant but I will make a promise if I can't play my PS4 games on my PS 5 I will never own a PS5 I am not spending thousands of dollars per generation and then losing the games as a PC Gamer I find that absolutely ludicrous. Xbox knows where it's at letting you play all of your previous games at least the ones that are supported and more getting supported all the time Sony take a page from their book let me play my games

[ARESWARLORD]

#Sony let me play my games

[Xx_Pistol_xX]

So Sony isn't gamer friendly because they don't Microsoft's Cross Network Play which puts Xbox Live on PS4 & Backwards compatibility. And that's your opinion and right to think that. But Honestly I don't think that majority of gamers that buy the platform care about that.

[Princess_Pilfer]

Reasons Sony isn't player friendly.
1: The are deliberately refusing to include general backwards compatability (even though the PS4 is more than capable of emulating at least the PS1 and PS2) so they can re-sell you games you already own (or worse, sell you a subscription service, PS Now, that will let you play them only if you continue to pay.)

2: Charging for online even though you already pay for your internet and the developers pay for any relevant servers.

3: Refusing to allow cross play when even the notoriously restrictive Nintendo is allowing it.

4: Paying for 3rd party exclusives that deny people the ability to play good games.

Need I go on?

Don't get me wrong, MS, espeically with Windows 10 and XBL, is more than guilty of a whole lot of anti-consumer BS, but lets not pretend Sony is some bastion of pro-consumer practices. What they're doing is riding the good will they earned after the Xbone 1 trainwreck they called a reveal and using that to get away with a whole lot of BS, where MS has been in damage control mode and actually trying to earn back customer trust (with wildy varying degrees of success.)

[OMGitzThatGuy]

Not really "Xbox Live" on PS4 when the reasoning is having purchases carry over to other platforms. Why does Sony allow EA to make users make accounts or Ubisoft? Sony specifically stated that they refused because they are #4TheStateholders. They refused Rocket League, a game that launched on PS4 first and that has no server ties to MS. Sony fanboys heard about the Xbox Live account and, wanting to give Sony the benefit of the doubt, automatically assumed that it was the reason. Even tho Jim told you the reason.

[thatguyhayat]

I dont care for BC i still got my old consoles, its more nostalgic playing on them

[Xx_Pistol_xX]

@Princess_Pilfer
1.Backwards compatibility has been known to take a lot of time any money. Microsoft talked about this when realeasing BC. And must be harder for Sony since the PS3 the cell architecture. Sony decided to invest into new studios and games instead of backwards compatibility that most don't even use.

2.Charging for online in the console space was introduced by Microsoft. And Sony figured out a way to at least give gamers monthly games for 3 of their platforms. To compete against Live they had to do so. They were bleeding money from giving PSN for free. And honestly they have more game features on PSN like streaming to more services, Shareplay and Sharefactory. While PSn still needs work it;s very feature rich.

3.Paying for third party exclusives what games are you talking about???And while same people feel up or down about the subject Sony is making sure that it's fans are getting the content first. I'm sure there some Nintendo fans that wish Nintendo would do the same for them.

I;m not saying that Sony is all about the consumer. no company is. But think about what would have happened if they didn't take a stand against Microsoft and it's used game policy with always online. They could have went with it since getting rid of the used games market would only benefit them more. I think they have earned the trust of the consumer. And it shows in the sales of the platform.

[Why o why]

Yo. . Supporting the current platform is more gamer friendly for me. I didn't buy my console for last gens games. Good feature but somehow this and cross play have been elevated above the importance of exclusive support and those championing this movement aren't nowhere near as passionate against ms for their weak ass support and broken promises.

If it's all about options. . Where's their vr option. I hear vr getting downplayed by those who show enthusiasm towards ar and holo lens🤔

Not going to lie, both features are good options but in regards to bc, that's just getting pushed harder because they ain't doing much this gen and we've all seen the usage stats. . The cross play thing is new for ms and we'll see how it turns out. That can happen without Sony so I don't know what the fuss is about. Nobody cared this much about sharing networks last gen and now people are acting like it's not point scoring by many. Ms said no before for whatever reasons and that being ignored now. Despite my take on this Sony should play ball or at least have someone legit explain why they won't jump in if they don't jump in. That Ryan speak was just bull. I wish he'd shut the ef up right about now.

[Princess_Pilfer]

1: Where did I mention PS3 emulation? PS2 and PS1 emulation aren't that hard. There are half a dozen working emulators for each, and if randoms an the internet can do it then so can Sonys paid software engineers.

2: That doesn't somehow excuse Sony for doing it. It's still anti consumer. And no, they weren't bleeding money before it (else how would Steam and GOG stay afloat?) it's almost pure profit. It also doesn't matter what it does or does not have in terms of features, it's mandatory just so they can price gouge you, and it's BS.

3: The PS4 exclusive Destiny stuff? The timed exclusive Call of Duty thing? Disgia 5 timed exclusivity? Broken Age timed exclusivity? Firewatch timed exclusivity? Yeah, paying off developers/publishers specifically to screw customers of other platforms out of the opportunity to play games is anti-consumer as hell. You can try to frame it as "making sure PS4 owners get content first" all you like, but it's shitty framing that deliberately ignores that Sony isn't moving up the release for their system, they're pushing it back for everybody who doesn't own their system.

[Xx_Pistol_xX]

Princess_Pilfer
1.Just an example of BC
2.Steam takes 30 percent of the overall sale while console only take 7 percent. So they are taking more from the dev in order to give the service for free. Also steam rarely develops games. The money they continue to get goes to the bank while there fans have been asking for half life and left for dead for years now.
3.You do know they don't make contracts with all exclusive ps4 games right. Some devs come because of hardware choices like not wanting to devlop on lower platform specs and some come because PS4 has the biggest user base on the console. Cliff Blizinski just talked about how and why they choose PS you should give it a read. Not all devs have money to make a version for every platform. And if you don't have the money which system are you going to choose. And like I said before it might be anti consummer for non PS fans but PS fans are getting the red carpet treatment which isn't anti consumer.

http://www.dualshockers.com...

[Xx_Pistol_xX]

If getting exclusive 3rd party games or exclusive content is anti consumer then exclusives in general would also be anti consumer. Sony, Nintendo,PC, Mobile and Xbox should make their games for all platforms then.

[EatCrow]

Give me a list of all those games forcing xbox live on other platforms.

[Phoenix76]

@princess

You go on about Sony get exclusives, yet seem to have forgotten how it was last gen. Cod had timed exclusive dlc on Xbox. EA's Mass effect 1 held back to be PC and Xbox exclusive for a very long time. The new re-release of elite dangerous, again, held Beck by MS for almost 2 years.
Times have changed and tables have turned.
Personally think it's time for everyone to accept how things are and just get on with it

[Princess_Pilfer]

1: That's a dodge. There is NO reason except simple greed for them to not have PS1 and PS2 emulation. It would in no way be expensive, but they'd rather re-sell you games you already own and so don't allow it.

2: I don't know where you get your 7% number, but I don't believe you. Source please. Further, even if it was true, the Playstation division of Sony last gen was one of the only areas of the company that continued to remain profitable, so in no way was not making paid online mandatory having them "bleed mondy."
Also, wether or not Sony/Valve develops games is *literally* irrelevant. They make back their investment in those games *on* those games.

3: Yes, I'm aware some devs use the money from selling the game on one platform to get the money to do proper ports to others. Again, that has *literally* no bearing on Sony paying for timed exclusives.

Also, you're a moron. It's *always* anti consumer to pull shit like that, wether you're the one being screwed or not. Not only that, it's bad for the games themselves and the discussion about said games. A real "red carpet" treatment would be better performance, better visuals, a discount, that sort of thing, not deliberately screwing over everybody else. Red Carpet treatment is "here is something special for coming to our show because you're important" not "we've closed the theater for 6 months so you're the only one allowed to see the show."

[CoinOrc]

@Princess
I don't get why you make such a big deal about the lack of backwards compatibility and exclusive content being "anti-consumer". You don't have to buy those PS1 and PS2 games. You don't have to buy PS Now. I do agree with you that those PS1 and PS2 games are expensive. That's why I haven't bought a single one. Sony offered a product at a certain price. You can choose whether or not to buy it. How is that anti-consumer? As far as paying for exclusive content, everyone does it. Microsoft did it with Titanfall, Tomb Raider timed exclusivity, and Dead Rising. Sony did it Destiny exclusive content, and CoD timed exclusive map packs. How is making exclusive deals "anti-consumer"? Again, you don't have to buy it. If you don't like it, then don't buy it or wait until the game comes out on your platform of choice. None of your rights as a consumer is being taken. "Anti-consumer" would be things like DRM, online checks, blocking used games, etc. Those things are anti-consumer, because they take away my rights as a consumer. Lack of backwards compatibility and exclusives are not anti-consumer. If you like backwards compatibility so much, then great, get an Xbox One and use it to your heart's content. Vote with your wallet and stop calling everything "anti-consumer".

[Princess_Pilfer]

Them selling the PS1 and PS2 games and offering PS now isn't anti consumer. Them not allowing any form of backwards compatability when their system is *more than capable* of running the software necessary to play PS1 and PS2 games is. There is a difference.
One is "you can play all your old games but if you don't have them or never got around to them then here is another way to play them"
One is "you can't play any of your old games and if you want to play any old games, even if you already own them you have to pay us to play them."
One offers choice, one is exploitative and greedy.

I'm not making a big deal about exclusive content being anti-consumer. I'm making a big deal about paid for timed exclusivity being anti-consumer. Who benefits from timed exclusivity? Not fans on other platforms, they get screwed. Not Sony customers, they get the same thing they would have at the same time they would have. Just Sony, who want you to buy the product on their platform so they get a cut of the profits. The fact that it comes at the expense of consumers while providing little/no benefit to consumers is the *definition* of anti-consumer.

[CoinOrc]

@Princess
"Them selling the PS1 and PS2 games and offering PS now isn't anti consumer. Them not allowing any form of backwards compatability when their system is *more than capable* of running the software necessary to play PS1 and PS2 games is. There is a difference."
I don't see the difference. How are they "not allowing" backwards compatibility? They aren't obligated to put backwards compatibility into the PS4. They didn't not put backwards compatibility and then force you to buy PS1 and PS2 games. You don't have to buy them. If you like backwards compatibility so much, then buy an Xbox One and play old games on it. Maybe if Sony see how popular backwards compatibility is, they will put it on the PS4.
"I'm not making a big deal about exclusive content being anti-consumer. I'm making a big deal about paid for timed exclusivity being anti-consumer."
Again, I don't see much of a difference. Was Microsoft anti-consumer when they bought Tomb Raider timed exclusivity? Every company does it. Paying for timed exclusivity is nothing new. They do it because they want you to buy their products. Is it greedy? Yes, of course. Every company is greedy. Sony is greedy. Microsoft is greedy. Nintendo is greedy. If you don't like it, then don't buy it or wait until the game comes to your platform of choice. Companies being greedy is not anti-consumer. At the end of day, companies and consumers are engaged in voluntary transactions. They offer certain products at certain price points. In this case, they offer a certain game before it arrives on other platforms. You can choose to buy it, not buy it, or wait until it comes to your platform of choice. Business practices only become anti-consumer when consumer's rights are being taken. For example, online check is anti-consumer. I already bought a copy of the game. I have the right to play it whenever I want. I shouldn't need to check in online every 24 hrs to get permission to play it. I guess we will just have to agree to disagree on this one.

[_-EDMIX-_]

" I will make a promise if I can't play my PS4 games on my PS 5 I will never own a PS5 "

HUH?

Why are you buying a PS5, to play PS4 games?

Keep your PS4 if you want to play PS4 games......

"as a PC Gamer I find that absolutely ludicrous"

I own a gaming PC too and I don't.

PC is modular, they can have BC for pretty much most games (depending on set up and OS)

Consoles are not.

XONE is losing because gamers are not buying a XONE SOLELY to play 360 games, it doesn't even SUPPORT ALL 360 games.

" I am not spending thousands of dollars per generation "

PER? WTF? How much did you buy your PS4 for? How are you "losing the games"? What exactly is happening to your PS4 when PS5 comes?

I think its cool MS has a set up like that, but you can easily solve that problem for about $60

https://www.amazon.com/Xbox...

"let me play my games" No one is stopping you from playing your PS3 games buddy, I'd say you are stopping you more so by not actually just buying a PS3. You don't want it enough to buy it, you don't want it that bad then.

You are basically begging for a system so you don't pay.

Well....get a better job. That might make more sense.

The VAST majority that are looking to buy a PS5, are likely looking to buy it for PS5 games, I'd assume they already own a PS4.

Who justifies spending money on a new system, to play OLD GAMES? LMFAO! WTF? smh, you seriously need to get your money situation fixed. I keep all my systems and I own a gaming PC. Even if PS5 has BC, I'm still keeping my PS4.

I'm not so poor that spending $400 or $500 every 6 years is going to bring me to the poor house LMFAO! If a used PS3 or 360 cost about $60 to $70, how on earth are you actually buying PS4 or XONE games? 1 game literally cost about how much a used older system cost. You choose to not buy it , no one is FORCING YOU to not buy it if you REALLY want to play a 360 or PS3 game, its a non-issue and just sounds like stupidness. You want it, but for free, but really want it, but won't pay for, but its a DEAL BREAKER IF NOT IN PS5, but won't keep your PS4? WTF? No bud, it just reeks of stupidity and cheapness.

Get a better job, this isn't really a thing that sounds like a real "problem"

[conanlifts]

I still haven't purchased another ps4 yet, but i know if they announce ps5 as backwards compatible then i don't need to. Instead i will order a ps5 day 1. Otherwise at some point i have to buy a ps4 pro for TLOU 2, God of war and Horizon etc. I have played all the previous exclusives though so i am going to build up a big list before rebuying one.

[ARESWARLORD]

There's no reason to not want to carry your game library without having to have multiple consoles set up underneath your TV. The benefits to running older games on a more powerful console could be better frame rates or higher resolutions. You as a supposed PC Gamer should know this but you're just coming here to try to tell me to get a job don't even know anything about me except the fact that want to be able to play my old games on my new system you're being a pompous douchebag.

[pyroxxx]

I will be pissed also,.. since I spend aprox 200EUR a month on PlayStation games,.. Of course I want PS5 to be backwards compatible.

[rainslacker]

@Weeb

No harm in asking. But some people think they are entitled to it. Ironically, Something that was probably mostly made into an expectation by Sony itself.

Maybe I've just been around for a while, but half my life BC was never something even considered as being mandatory.

Not having BC is not anti-consumer. At no point did Sony deceive people about BC and if it would be available. They didn't charge for it, nor did they present the expectation that it would be available on PS3. I'd say given that they removed it for cost purposes last gen, it should have been a good indicator that it's inclusion this gen was in jeopardy, and people maybe should have considered this when making their purchases. Acting like they've lost their entire library because the PS4 doesn't include it is just entitlement bordering on the illogical. At the start of this gen, and even until today, and into the future, if people wanted to play their old games, they should have a means to do so if they didn't remove the only thing that Sony promised they could play it on....which would be the PS3(or older systems depending on the situation).

[_-EDMIX-_]

@SD11- "I still haven't purchased another ps4 yet, but i know if they announce ps5 as backwards compatible then i don't need to"

Well.....ok.

but you are talking about "another" PS4 vs a PS5. If you already own a PS4 and PS5 is announced, I don't see the reason to spend money on.....another PS4 ie PS4 Pro, I'd rather just buy PS5.

Consider if you haven't got PS4 Pro yet, I don't think you want it THAT badly and trading in your current PS4 for Pro makes more sense.

You may not get PS5 day 1, but I don't see the point of getting PS5 day 1, to play PS4 games.....

I'm getting PS5 day 1 for titles ONLY FOUND on PS5.

@ARE- "You as a supposed PC Gamer should know this but you're just coming here to try to tell me to get a job don't even know anything about me except the fact that want to be able to play my old games on my new system"

Not "supposed" PC gamer, Edmix_the_Shogun is my Steam ID, followed by EDMIX. Just because I don't agree with you, doesn't mean I don't game on PC, it simply means I don't agree with you, get out of your feelings. Not all PC gamers are a like, did you think ti was some sort of cult?

You "want" to play your old games on your new system, you don't need to. Its optional. Being emotional and calling names isn't going to help your point. You are asking for something that is of a choice, is of a option and can be solved by simply buying a PS4 or keeping it when PS5 comes out.

I don't really see that as a huge issue. You want something you already have? Ummmm oooook pal.

"more powerful console could be better frame rates or higher resolutions" PS4 Pro exist......

The vast majority don't care. I didn't buy a PS4 to play PS3 games, I still actually play PS3 games CAUSE I VALUE MY PS3 COLLECTION, THUS DIDN'T GET RID OF IT!

You have a non-issue. Can be solved by $60 used off Amazon. That isn't anything worth crying over.

Can you solve the issue of no new IPs by $60? If you own a PS4, can you play a PS5 game on it for $60? Sooooooo those are real issues that can't be solved by $60....your issue is.

Get over it. Keep your old system if you love it that much, I did. Thats why I'm not BEGGING for BC, I can afford to keep the things I value in the first place. Nothing to do with console vs PC, put that BS to rest, I own a gaming PC too.

I want PS5 to be BC, I don't NEED PS5 to be BC. It would be nice, it would not be a REQUIREMENT.

[conanlifts]

I don't currently own a ps4, I sold mine before ps4 pro was released ( I should have added that to my comment below). I will buy ps5 day 1 anyway. The only difference is that if it were backwards compatible i wouldn't rebuy a ps4.

[conanlifts]

"Consider if you haven't got PS4 Pro yet, I don't think you want it THAT badly "

Yes you are correct. As i said i have played most of the previous exclusives. I want to build up a big list of exclusive games that i want to play before rebuying one. So far there are 3 games on my list . God of war, days gone and TLOU 2 are others that will be on my list as well.

[_-EDMIX-_]

@SD- awwwww I understand now.

I take back my comment.

[BlackWolf12]

If you're a PC gamer then why do you give two shits about PS2 or PS3 games?

The vast majority of the best games from those platforms have been re-released with HD versions that are better to play ANYWAY.

I really honestly don't care at all about cross-platform play.

[ARESWARLORD]

I care because I have a ton of games that I would like to play I love fat Princess I love Disgaea there's Call of Duty Black Ops 1 and 2 not all of those games of made it over to remix and I'm not a huge fan of repaying for a game I already own. You say that I'm a PC Gamer so why would I want to play the older games I can still play a game on NES and have a lot of fun. I'm old school been playing games since the ColecoVision I can play them from 8-bit up till whatever new game I can Max out on my GTX 980ti. I don't know if you're young or just not hardcore or what but graphics dont make the game son. The reason I want my old games is due tothe fact that I paid for these games and I don't have access to them unless if I setup my PS3 is crazy this is 2017 when you buy a game digitally the game should be yours to keep to use.

[yeahright2]

@ares, I would agree but both Sony and MS were very clear at the start of the generation that there wasn't going to be any backwards compatibility. So anyone making an informed decision and wanting to keep playing their old games would have kept their old consoles. I know I did. As far as paying for games you already own, that's based on a misconception that xbox pounced on if you're referring to PS Now. PS Now was never intended to be an answer for BC. Sony went out of their way to say this, but people kept saying it was. If you're referring to the PS2 classics on PS4, then you have a stronger case, but they should still charge something. Those games aren't just being emulated. They look better, run better, have added trophy support, so I feel it's only fair they charge for them, my issue comes with the amount being charged. Ionly buy them when they're on sale for $10 or less.

[_-EDMIX-_]

"If you're a PC gamer then why do you give two shits about PS2 or PS3 games?"

Because being a PC gamer doesn't mean you exclusively only game on PC, simply means you also game on PC.....its not a exclusive thing lol

"I really honestly don't care at all about cross-platform play."

Me neither. I don't really even notice it on the games that do support it. I don't play as much MP titles as I did last gen either so.

@ARE- "I care because I have a ton of games that I would like to play I love fat Princess I love Disgaea there's Call of Duty Black Ops 1 and 2 not all of those games of made it over to remix and I'm not a huge fan of repaying for a game I already own"

Then keep your system. Problem solved. You don't "love" them that much if you sold it, choose not to buy it etc. That doesn't sound like you care about those games all that much bud, consider you are begging for something for free, you can obtain for $60.......

" when you buy a game digitally the game should be yours to keep to use"

Yes....on the system that the license is actually for. Have you not read your EULA?

"The reason I want my old games is due tothe fact that I paid for these games and I don't have access to them unless if I setup my PS3 is crazy this is 2017"

???

They are PS3 games, made for PS3...

No where in 2006 when PS3 released, did Sony say PS3 games were to be supported on all PS platforms going forward.

So you are in tears because you need a PS3, to play the PS3 games you "love"? Are you serious?

THIS is a problem for you?

Do you not see just how stupid that "issue" really is?

POOOOOOR YOU! Having to hook up a system to play games, I just don't know what Sony is going to do without you bud /s

[nicsaysdie]

So being a "pc guy", you don't understand how ps3 games can't be emulated on a ps4? I mean I totally agree with you, Sony should totally be able to run cel processor based games on console with an x86 based architecture without including the cel processor in the console, no problem. /s
Wasn't the reason the later ps3 models had a lack of ps2 BC because they removed the ps2 processor from the console? I mean the ps4 doesn't have a cel, and thusly should have no problem playing ps3 games. /s again

Every ps3 however is capable of playing ps1 games, so I don't know why they aren't including at least that option in the ps4 as it seems pretty low impact. But, it might be that their just isn't a lot of demand. I mean I, myself, only have about 4 or 5 ps1 games I'd really play if given the option, so I'm okay without that feature. Plus, I still have my old ps2, and a fat and slim ps3, and a pc, if I really want to dust off a classic. Also, the argument that people should be able to play their old games during the consoles early stages due to game drought doesn't hold water at this point. And finally, if their was anyone who sold their ps1 or ps2 to get money to buy a ps4 they probably did so because they were living in some kind of apocalypse bunker for the entire life of the ps3 and aren't really missing that level of games since they have been thrust into the future upon returning to reality and realizing that the world is not an irradiated wasteland.

As a pc gamer primarily, you of all people should remember that you, being a pc gamer, have the ability to use an emulator to play ps1, 2 and 3 games directly from your computer which can be connected to a TV so as to still have the feeling of gaming on a console, and for added flare you can even Bluetooth a ds3 or ds4 controller to your magnificent pc, and it feels even more like a console. Being a pc guy you have your pick of hundreds of emulators for playing old games from dead systems that aren't supported anymore. I mean I don't remember when the last time I heard of a new genesis game being released. But you can play em right there on your magnificent pc.

It's a little bit of a rant but, I'll just say this, if Sony doesn't let me play old 32x games by putting a cartridge slot into the ps5, I'll never buy another Sony system. /s

In short I think your comment is ridiculous.

[ARESWARLORD]

I would think the PS4 would be powerful enough to emulate the cell. At the very least the PS4 Pro should be able to. I'm glad that you play your PS3 games on your PC but I have to tell you buddy I'm not a pirate I pay for my games and that's why I would like to continue being able to use them because I paid real money I didn't pirate them like you do or at least you're telling me to Pirate them so I assume you're a pirate. And just an FYI son they're still making Genesis games as well as Dreamcast check out pier sonar you can get that on PS4 that's a Genesis game. Got some pretty fantastic games coming out this year for the old Sega Genesis as well will say you know how to Google enough to be a pirate maybe Google to see what's coming oh that you can buy with real money and support a developer with.

It's crazy you're saying my rant is ridiculous but your answer to no backwards compatibility is the screw it and pirate the games.

[rainslacker]

@Ares

The PS4 can emulate the CELL. Just not at the same speed that the CELL runs. The powerPC core is fine except for the clock speed which actually runs faster than the PS4 x86, but the SPE part of the CELL runs at speeds faster than modern day GPU's. Not just from the clock speed, but also in how they process the data, which requires quite a lot of complex tasks in CISC based chips like x86. Those SPEs could process and spit out information at a much higher rate than the most powerful consumer level PC nowadays. They were small bits of data, but when you compile tons of them onto an x86 it just won't work with modern CPU's, much less the Jaguar within the PS4.

The RSX(GPU in PS3) also handles process data differently than modern day GPU's, although I'm going to assume it's fairly easy to emulate that since a lot of those type of processes are common place in modern GPU's. But the catch is is that the RSX relied heavily on the SPE's, which the GPU and CPU in the new consoles can't match in terms of speed.

That's the reason it's not emulated, assuming Sony had an interest at all. Sony went very custom with CELL, and very new, and the process tasks which exist within the CELL do not have easy process conversions like you'd see with a standard RISC to CISC based emulation.

There are some efforts to make a working PS3 emulator on PC, but they require a pretty beefy set up right now, and it's emulation, while working in some places is not as fast as the PS3 itself.

Your rant is maybe not rediculous, just based on an uninformed logic.

[tee_bag242]

I'm with you on that. Shame there's no objectivity on this site anymore. Just Sony fanboys. Ultimately it comes back to bite the consumer since fanboys are too shortsighted to call a scam a scam. You bet PS5 we're going to see fanboys lining up to buy their PS4 library again.

[DoubleM70]

Why all the down votes for you giving you options to play your games FREE. Something wrong with people today. Are they down voting you because it's a good thing and the competing company is not make that available to their customers. People on here are really cultist fanboys.

[nicsaysdie]

Playing games you own on an emulator is not piracy. I never said go get illegal iso files to play on an emulator. I said get an emulator, and play your disc based games on it. Way different. Maybe you missed the point.

About pier sonar. That game is amazing. But it was created by an independent developer who coded it to work on genesis and dreamcast. They did so, because the love and respect retro gaming. Something I am not sure you do. Did Sega have any hand in the creation or release of said game? No? Do you know why? Because the Genesis and dreamcast are "dead" and do not receive first party support any more. That doesn't mean a third party can't release a game on said system. It just means Sega isn't going to. Sounds a lot like sony's current stance on the ps3, which you were whining about. This happens because console manufacturers eventually move on to new consoles. I bet you were super pissed when Nintendo didn't announce a NES version of breath of the wild and Sega didn't release alien isolation on the Genesis.
Back to your piracy comments, it is not piracy if you own the product and make a copy for yourself as a backup. That's why it's not illegal to copy cds to your computer if you have purchased them. I have stacks upon stacks of NES, SNES, genesis, Sega cd, gamecube, Xbox, 360, PS1, 2, and 3 games. And for most of them I have a rom or iso file which I created to be able to play easily on various emulators. But I also still have all of the respective systems to play them on too. Because like you said, why would I want to throw away or sell something that I spent to much money on? And plus playing on an actual Nintendo has a way better feel than on an emulator. There's just no substitute.
I am not your buddy. Based on your uninformed comments and general disregard for logic and critical thinking as well as a lack of reading comprehension, I feel that if I knew you in real life, I would loathe you. So let me give you some advice son. Know who you're talking to before you start spouting nonsense. Also, maybe actually read and comprehend someone else's comment before replying to it with a complete lack of understanding of what the aforementioned person was saying. And finally, I honestly hope that Sony doesn't include bc in the ps5 framework, because that way I won't have to worry about there being any chance of running into you on some multi-player lobby because you won't buy it because it has no backward compatibility. Just kidding, I would love bc, it's just not a deal breaker. And, unlike you, I hold on to my consoles, not just my games. And at the very least I have enough intelligence to know the difference between using an emulator to play illegally obtained copies of games, and using an emulator to play my own legally purchased disc based games.
One last thing, I felt like that other guy was being a jerk by telling you to get a better job, and actually felt bad that it seemed like you were unaware that being a pc gamer you could easily play all of those ps1, 2, and 3 games legally on your computer with the help of an emulator. But after reading your reply to me, it is clear you are the jerk. Do me two favors. One, go and research the amount of resources and overhead it takes to emulate a ps3 on a pc then compare that to what the ps4 and pro have under the hood. And two, don't breed, because we need less people like you in the world, not more. That way I can rest assured that when you die, I won't have to worry about further generations of dum dums ruining our society. I bet you think pretzels are chips. Thanks for reading. Smiley face.

[Xx_Pistol_xX]

They've been that for me since the initial Xbox One stance of always online and trying to kill used games market. If that doesn't say it all I don't know what will.

[Gh05t]

It says you dont understand the future, and are stuck in the past. When is the last time you resold a PC game you bought?

You people complained about the Xbox Ones vision and ideas and then they changed it and you still hate them. What was the point of complaining if you werent going to support them even if they changed?

[rainslacker]

I ended up supporting them after they changed.

The problem is, they stopped supporting my purchase. Pretty much after QB released, MS has gone down hill fast in the games offerings. It might be more tolerable if it was my only system as I would have those 3rd partys to play, but since i"m not, the X1 ended up being a barren wasteland of things to play.

Support kind of goes both ways. I wouldn't have supported them with a console purchase had they not reversed their DRM/online policies. I supported them when they looked like they wanted to offer support to the console. Now I don't support them because they can't manage to deliver anything that suits my tastes. I don't expect every game from them to be something I"m interested in. That's just unreasonable. But I do expect them to at least try and do more than they're doing. I expect them to take risks. I expect them to create, invest, and deliver on more quality games. The features are nice, but not why I brought the system.

Mostly, I don't think that them focusing so heavily on X1X as a solution to their problems while only showing a few games from them personally, with some marketing deals, to be adequate support for their console.

[LordJamar]

people like pistol and rainslacker will never be pleased

[Prince_TFK]

What is up with articles like this recently? N4G is becoming more and more like a cesspool collection of fanboy and clickbait articles and the fanboys here embrace them like nothing else instead of trying to stop them.

[Gh05t]

Par for the course in society right now. Everything is "Agree with me or you are wrong, no other room for any differing opinions or thought."

It is how people are being trained right now, it is easier and more effective to shut people down then listen to another viewpoint.

The closed minded thinking they are open minded.

[rainslacker]

MS execs keep opening their mouths, which causes them to get more headlines. Couple that with new hardware, and the normal criticisms that come with the console war, and of course you're going to see more of this. I'd imagine if Sony talked as much as MS, we'd see a lot of the same kind of articles. Just look at Jim Ryan saying some stuff a couple weeks ago. lots of articles about how Sony is so terrible for blocking Cross play and BC. Same kind of articles really. Then they died down. But with MS, they don't really shut up, so it never dies down for a bit. Even when MS says things, we get some stuff negative towards Sony as well....particularly when MS talks cross play or BC.

[4Sh0w]

"MS execs keep opening their mouths"

- Like what exactly?

95% of their comments are appropriate responses in interviews and responses to fans as Microsoft's values regular engagement with their fans. That may not be Sony's method and I don't think it needs to be but Microsoft is a very American centric company and many companies in America regularly interact with their consumer base, most actually like it= see Twitter and Facebook popularity in the business world. Who cares if you don't but either way there is absolutely nothing wrong with it...its clear the reason you don't like it is because you favor Sony.

Your bias leads to blame transference, because yes as you know the news media chooses to get hits more often by quick hit seeking headlines rather than interesting well written news pieces, you basically acknowledge you know this yet you seem VERY eager to blame Microsoft and sound more defensive of Sony.

I mean take things like BC for example. Its a great service that they SHOULD be proud of, they didnt mention the competition but YOU act as if they should be quiet anout it. Another example Phil tried to explain that multiplayer serviced based games are more of a focus for Xbox than SP games because thats where the bigger demand is on Xbox, had nothing to do with Sony platform yet it was twisted into Phil doesn't like SP games. Another example Microsoft is launching a new very well crafted strong piece of hardware and every time they promote it regardless of them saying nothing about the competition Sony fans like you attack and downplay it, see that's the difference I and personally never went to ps4pro articles to hate on the system, in fact speaking for myself I cant remember ever going in and making a negative comment because why?...it was just a upgraded ps4 for those who wanted it, why would I be mad about Sony promoting it? Yet, you sony fanboys get very hostile when Microsoft promotes their brand and worst you conflate the news media's flamebait stories to Microsoft instead of where it belongs= poor journalism.

-Lastly as I've said before yes Microsoft has made some terrible comments in the past where it was their own words that were f-up, same as Sony...but it's actually not that often but what fanboys do is stretch the truth and use blanket generalizations like "always lying", "never keep their promise", "no games", and "keep opening their mouths"= they deliberately make vague statements because they don't have much to back it up.

[Kiwi66]

So MS/Xb execs should not answer questions or talk about any of their products because of your feelings because no doubt there'd be articles complaining about that and you'd still be hating on them for that, so should this apply to Sony and Nintendo execs also seeing as some of them say dumb things

[SegaGamer]

It's the main reason why i don't really like this site anymore, fanboy's have ruined it. The people approving the articles are just a bunch of fanboys. The hottest topics on this site now are just fanboy rubbish. It seem's like all people want to do these days is bash the competition. Just look at people's opinion's outside of this website, nobody has a good word to say about it.

[demonicale]

Why do we have a constant stream of bad xbox articles?. The only a$$hole are those that keep up with this childish Xbox hate.

[Goldby]

there's xbox hate, like the title of this article, and there's xbox criticizism. two very different things that some people seem unable to distinguish between.

[CrystalFantasy]

Microsoft are the Trump of the video games indutindustry.

[BiggerBoss]

I've always said that Xbox followers are very much like Trump followers. Even just the way they talk.

[343_Guilty_Spark]

Very trashy and unprofessional article. Stay classy...

[KillZallthebeast]

What is apple? The preppy kid in school that dresses in clothing they paid way to much for, but when it gets down to their personality its shallow and uninspiring?

[porkChop]

That headline is really unprofessional. The author also only tells half the story when it comes to cross play.The Xbox Live sign-in excuse would make sense for Minecraft cross play. Fair enough, I can maybe see why Sony wouldn't want that. But what's their excuse for Rocket League? From what I understand that doesn't require any Xbox Live sign-in, so what's the problem there?

[Gh05t]

cherry picking issues. Not to mention he only brought up two issues and like you said one was cherry picked and not the full problem.

[rainslacker]

So, what does the RL cross play require to run between Xbox and PS? If you don't know, then why compare the two?

[porkChop]

Why would you not compare them? Only 1 of them would require an XBL sign-in, so that reasoning doesn't work for both. Everyone is focusing on the XBL sign-in, but that doesn't explain Rocket League.

[Goldby]

@Porkchop

simple, its business.
it would be giving away potential new customers to either side.

either a preventing a sony gamer having to buy an xbox console adn the game to play with their friends (bad for MS/good for gamer) or prevent an xbox gamer from having to buy a console and game to play with other people (bad for sony, good for gamers)

because of the market share that sony has, they technically have more to lose while Ms has more to win. (yes using the example of xbox live sign in) Ms shows off its success via xbox live accounts, not just paid subscription but live accounts in general. and because of the amount of gamers on ps4, it would drastically increase their "active users" through the need to sign in. and while that it not always going to be the case, as some games like RL dont need that, it still takes away from a potential sale on either console.

Why buy a new console and game to play with your friend when all you need is the game?

as for the people saying its to reduce lobby wait times, im sorry but that is a weak excuse. unless there only like 20 people total who play a agame, there will always be full lobbies, adding another system to the equation isn't changing anything.

[vega275]

Rainslacker

Let me ask this. Since sonyfanboys love to bring this up everytime someone bring up cross-play.

" bu bu sony wanted to do it last gen and MS said No"

How was sony going to implement it? On their network. The same one that got hacked. Did sony really want to do it or was it to call out MS? Real question...

[bolimekurac]

i never saw so many sony fanboys so deep into ms's butthole, for people who hate xbox so much it seems that all they do is talk about it

[BlackWolf12]

Haven't they been this the whole entire time?

Aren't most Americans in general just assholes that no one likes?

XD hahahaha

[Razzer]

Hmmm...that was something an asshole would say so...

[Phill-Spencer]

They are in danger of becoming it? More like they already are.

[bluefox755]

I think that ship has already sailed.

[conanlifts]

A couple of good points regarding e3 and their exclusives. But buying into the nonsense of online safety being at risk with cross play is a bit of a stretch. Plus the title and analogy are a bit ridiculous. Personally it seems like they are added just for clicks and likes.
What i find ridiculous is that people are using cross play, play anywhere and backwards compatibility as a negative. These are amazing additions to gaming and it would be great if other companies added these features ( minus play anywhere as they have no reason to).

[Jaypi03]

I wouldn't say Microsoft as a whole, probably just Xbox and the brand, MS is mostly a tech company, Xbox is their gaming divisions, I don't know if the whole company should be judged by a couple of fools on the gaming side of things.

[rainslacker]

MS has generally always been the a**hole company that no one likes. It's not something really contained to Xbox, we just focus on that here. I think Xbox fans are about the only people I've seen who as a group seem to think that MS is some saintly and awesome company not worthy of much, or any, criticism. It's the only division they have which seems to have a user base which acts supportive and positive about the product itself.

MS itself understands that they're seen this way. About 10 years ago, MS(not Xbox specifically) actually stated that they wanted to change this perception, and you see this in some of their consumer level marketing now. I don't know if it's working on a consumer level, but on a commercial level, most people still hold onto their long standing opinions.....some warranted, much exaggerated.

[XStation4pio_Pro]

ok seriously tho... are these the lengths we are going to? ever since scorpio/one x, the hate train of arbitrary negative opinion bs has really picked up steam and i honestly can't even take it seriously. is this... journalism? they sounds like tiny bedroom blogger fanboys... * correction* ARE bedroom blogger fanboys who are just have salt crusted butts because they no longer get to tout the power flag. you don't like ms - fine, but for the love of god if i see one more headline like "ms is gonna fail cuz they lost touch with their gamer friends and managers are dicks and there aren't any games and phil spencer flipped me off and did a donut in my lawn so ps4 wins" I'm figuratively going to wish i was literally dead.

[Mbofa6om]

The article wrote by a "resulotion fan - in last three years". I can feel the pain of seeing how micro killing "the most powerful console" with project scorpio.
I son't know why people still attacking micro while their best console is the most powerful, best seller and most exclusives.

[Gh05t]

They are insecure. That is the only way to explain why so many people with arguably the "best" console, with the "best" games, and the "best" service would feel the need to bash another person or product.

[Shadyceaser]

You have got to be kidding. ... No company is your friend including Sony and Nintendo... Microsoft as well.
There to make money for there share holders and that is it ..... If they were your friend they would give there shit to you for free .

@4ShOw. That cracked me up.😀

[rainslacker]

I don't really need them to be my friend. I'm not inviting them over for dinner, although I wouldn't mind hanging out with some of the execs. i just need them to support the products I buy from them with what I feel it needs. For me, that'd be games. Other people may have different wants or needs, but if they never promised it, then one should have made their purchase based on that knowledge.

[MagicBeanz]

Seems like a bold title, lets watch the salt pile up on this one.

[Gh05t]

Because the article in and of itself is salt free?

[WelkinCole]

It is the height of arrogance really. Phil and crew has surpass Don and Greenberg in terms of being arrogant assholes.

This time around I thought that they have learned their lesson and be more humble and start on a clean slate with X1X. However as the author has stated they instead are focusing on being assholes.

So just because MS want cross platform play they expect Sony to just say yes?.

How about asking PS players first if we want to cross play with xbox players?.

I mean Sony should actually ask us first if we want this feature. Sony is suppose to do what we want. Not what MS wants.

It will cost money to implement this. Is MS going to deal with all the cost?.

[aconnellan]

When Portal 2 became cross play with PC back in the day, people were stoked at the idea of playing between console and PC, and people were frothing at the idea of even playing cross console.

Why is it that now it's suddenly not a big deal? It'd help with the longevity of so many games (I've used For Honor in a previous comment as an example - it's population dead on PC, but letting them play between it and consoles would immediately revive it for those who still play).

And with the old "but Microsoft said no to Final Fantasy!", that was also a bad move - two wrongs don't make a right, but somehow that makes it ok that Sony just ignores cross play

[WelkinCole]

In all these cases no one really cared about it. Sony has been doing cross platform play since last gen and literally people prefer cross game chat or just more games, exclusives.

This feature is even less of an importance to PS fan than BC.

[LastCenturyRob]

N4G sinks even lower

[pingthing]

Hey, he's not my friend, he's my Microsoft family.

[NONEONION1985]

The

[_LarZen_]

Who are the people approving "articles" like this?
I encourage fellow contributors to flag this crap.

[zsquaresoff]

This has to be the funniest article headline I have read on this site lol

[Dragonscale]

They have been that for at least 3 years lol.

[Condemnedman]

change Ms to Sony in the title . sorted

[BiggerBoss]

"No you are!!"

The argument of a 12 year old

[trooper_]

Lol @ the title.

[xsta1ker]

no he's not biased he admitted x1x is much more powerful than the ps4
conveniently leveling out the pro. this guy is all pony

[Matology]

There other site is PlayStation based, so I am sure that, that side of gaming is speaking in the bait/click article.

[rlow1]

Honestly does anyone really take an article like this crap seriously??? If this is your view of a company, or any company you have to much time on your hands. Sounds like the author needs an enema.

[steveo123456]

Theres a serious bias of articles slating xbox in here recently

[segamaniaco]

Thank god someone realises it
It sucks that MS keeps imposing its presence on others network

Nobody gives a sh*t for that crossplat thing

Stop bullying sony and its fans
Go play your glorious 3 hours of crackdown ps3 and leave us alone

[Emme]

I dont read "articles" that have such headlines.

[Ben12]

Wow grow up

[Discobastrd]

In danger!? They got there years ago! If you include their terrible PC OS history and all accompanying apps, they are just awful. Loved Xbox over the years but now they've finally fked that up there nothing left for them to ruin! So much hate they've earnt themselves. They deserve everything they get. Find a corner and die in it MS, LIKE YESTERDAY!

[LastCenturyRob]

Bitter wannabe "journalists" ranting about fanboy idiocies are already the assholes that no one likes

[craig2web]

This is basically the way MS has been for the past 20+ years. They've had a stranglehold on the PC business market since the early days of the PC, but that is now beginning to change. By next year, IDC estimates 25% of the Fortune 500 will have IT support for Chromebooks. Which is good, since Chromebook's share of the U.S. education market is around 50%. People now finally have alternatives, and they're abandoning MS in droves. You reap what you sow.

[Aquanox]

Wow... so much hatred. Get over it, MS will have the most powerful console and that's good for the customer. What a childish reaction from gamers everywhere. They're going back to the right path. Kudos for them. Stop whining.

[BiggerBoss]

Why do you keep praising them? Yes they're going to have the most powerful console. Why does that matter? As of right now the Ps4 is still the most powerful, yet that doesn't matter to Xbox guys for some reason?

What really matters is that Microsoft has Billions but they can't invest in making exclusive games. One of the richest companies on Earth but they won't spend that money for gamers.

[LordJamar]

sound like a idiot honestly read what you said

[Kiwi66]

Wait, if they don't spend that money for gamers then care to explain the xbox console etc as that cost them money to research & develop or do you think they used pixie dust

[BiggerBoss]

@kiwi and Jamar

You guys love to point out that Microsoft has way more money than Sony, yet Sony pumps out AAA exclusives left and right? What came out this year on Xbox that's as good as Horizon or NiOh?

[4Sh0w]

"Sony pumps out AAA exclusives left and right?"

-Yeah because the first two do years was filled with games like Horizon. I mean the name indiestation, also complaints in ps4forums about the lack of AAA exclusives which led to Sony themselves admitting ps4 exclusives were "sparse" is all just made up...OR is it you conveniently forget that because it doesnt fit your narrative that both platforms even going back to last gen have had droughts.

Oh look what I found, not only did Sony themselves say their 1st party was sparse but they said it was OK to depend on 3rd party games until their 1st partu studios had more:
"Sony Admits PS4 First-Party Lineup This Year Is "a Little Sparse"
https://www.gamespot.com/ar...

-Yep, left n right 'eh....but dare I say them showing almost the same E3 lineup 2 years in a row, might hint a another dry spell in the future because those not shown but in dev may be a waaays off and then it's OMG, I have sinned for even questioning Sony.

[MAULxx]

"In danger"? I thought they already were.

[vongruetz]

Amen. If I hear "true 4K" one more time, I'm going to be sick. Then you find out that AC Origins is going to be checker boarded 4K even on the XB1X and despite that not being "true 4K" before now suddenly is true 4k. And in the end, nobody can tell a difference between them. Stop taking selfies with your damn Scorpio chip and start making games.

[GamingCentaur]

Phil is the worst.

[itsmebryan]

Another dumb overly biased opinion piece. Why do they even post these. Smh

[Bobafret]

Well, maybe if your little online army keeps up the good fight and writes bullshit articles like this it will happen.

[Einhander1971]

Microsoft are in as much trouble as Nintendo, not a lot then, there both doing just fine, and Sony are as well.

[PFFT]

You mean like Sony currently is??? Yep, seems like it.

[BiggerBoss]

Sony has released tons of exclusives like Horizon this year. Ps4 gamers are loving it.

..What released on Xbox this year?

[4Sh0w]

Yeah, THIS year but they've not done that, consistently even they themselves admitted that:
"Sony Admits PS4 First-Party Lineup This Year Is "a Little Sparse"
https://www.gamespot.com/ar...

-I can freely admit as I've done many times Microsoft has had a down year and they tend to schedule releases pretty poorly towards the end of the year but lets not pretend despite their PR missteps at launch that they didn't have a great launch lineup followed by some other great games the 1st 2yrs, then last year although Recore and QB didn't light up the scores charts they were decent-good games, followed by the great Gears4 and best racer out FH3....ooops my fault continue on with your selective memory.

[hobbitooo]

i seldom read opinions but this one is damn funny n true
"they should be going out and giving genuine reasons why their “ForKays” is better than other “ForKays” or why their games are worth paying a $500. """
""Instead, they’re constantly bogged down by telling little white lies to confuse us, getting caught up in shit slinging matches, criticising others to make themselves look better and putting so much PR spin on things that it might as well be a Merry-Go-Round. Microsoft are in real danger of becoming the gaming equivalent of asshole friend that no likes unless they start to turn words into actions because fewer people are buying into it each time.""

this will be a very interesting holiday season, n if sony lower the price for pro or bundle with some awesome game, xboxxxxx is dead on arrival

[EatCrow]

I think people are confusing customer interaction with friendship.
They way I see it MS has customer interaction and Sony doesn't. Simple as that. They could if they wanted be like Sony and never say anything.

You can agree or disagree with MS way of doing things but one thing is clear. They do their thing and this gen of all gens they haven't been jabbing or poking at the competition. And they have areas where they could do that but they havent.

Whereas Sony, except for e3 2016, continue to do so every single chance they get. Now thats the asshole friend. Like that rich prick you keep hanging out with cuz they got the stuff you want.

[jokerisalive]

BS article.....same could be said of Sony and Nintendo. Typical anti MS article. Nothing here but hate folks move on.

[WickedLester]

Agree with this article 100% and it's exactly how I've felt about MS for a while.

[QUIMICOMORTAL]

In danger of becoming?

More like: they are!

[DevilishSix]

Nothing good comes from articles like this, it is simply for clickbait and to create conflict. Articles like this can be made about Sony management just as easily as Microsoft.

[Max-Zorin]

This was definitely written by someone, that smoke weed.

[Major_Glitch]

Wow...must be a slow news day.

[InTheZoneAC]

About time more people are understanding that Ms is offering very little to stand by them compared to competition, given they have 3 generations of letdowns.

If xbx ever goes away they won't be the first and Nintendo/Sony will carry on, the way it was always meant to be. We're stuck in this intellivision, Saturn/Dreamcast era with MS, just accept fate.

[cbuc1125]

None of the bickering back and forth matters when you are getting your ass handed to you every month worldwide in sales. The customers have spoken with their wallets. This is a business and sales trump all.

[xfiles2099]

Well I already feel that way about them and there Community

[mwjw696]

*their

[SliceOfTruth888]

Couldnt disagree more. Their vision and everything they have said has been exactly what they have provided. True 4k will be provided through their first party, Forza 7 shows this and the rest is up to the developers. If a developer wants to just keep it on par with PS4 Pro that is their choice, if they choose to use the extra horsepower that is also their choice. The problem with Microsoft management has been these terrible articles who do no research and go for clicks

[mochachino]

Coming from a PS4 owner, I'm all for any company pushing for cross-play. I'd love for all MP games to share user bases with PC and both consoles. It ensures that not so popular games still have playerbases for longer times. Titanfall 2 largely failed because people thought that the sales weren't high enough to support a healthy long term playerbase, despite being a good game. When you see on 6000 people playing two months after launch it's worrisome. Need about 15000 to be healthy. MS is right to call out Sony for not supporting cross-play. It's anti-consumer.

[Azure142]

(@Headline) So is N4G at this rate to all fans other than Sony.

[Dinkis]

To a certain group they already perceived Microsoft like this. Nothing to see here folks Move Along

[madpuppy]

You people are crazy! If MS was on top you would NEVER have gotten all the stuff that you are getting, doesn't anybody remember what they tried to pull at the start of this generation??? They tried to co-opt and hijack the used game market and take total control of what you can and cannot do with your games. Microsoft is NOT a consumer friendly company, when they have the upper hand they bring the hammer down on the competition and consumer alike with the attitude "too bad if you don't like it, do without or pay, pay, pay us."

[Nightcyberspud]

Lets not forget. Microsoft absolutely kills Sony when it comes to their customer service.

[Phar0ahad3]

I thought theyve always been that people are just waking up to this fact...consumers hate them, Many devs hate them even there own close devs like bungie and epic specifically went to sony just to spite microsoft and show how much distaste they had for there company there are rumors that remedy is next..they provide bare minimum games for there consumers and sometimes straight up lie to them they are the manifestation of evil american corporations taking over this industry im almost not a gamer anymore all thanks to microsoft and if they get there way there final solution i will probably stop gaming forever..i bet even the people that work for that glutton dislike the company..

[subtenko]

Microsoft are aholes.

[Tross]

I've always thought that about them. They just used to be better at at least pretending to be likeable.

[Cherchez La Ghost]

Can't understand why so much hate of MS so damn much! Every time Phil, Arron, Mike or Major gives a statement. It comes here and everyone wants to bash them.

[Platformgamer]

Microsoft: "i'm a fucking little poor bastard, can i play with you?"
Sony: "remember the last time i ask you the same thing and you telled me no? well, fuck you then!"
Nintendo: "i'd like to play with you guys too"
Sony and microsoft: " SHUT UP, YOU FUCKING CORPSE!"
Nintendo and microsoft are on the same asshole level

[LordJamar]

um aint Nintendo and Microsoft working together lol

[Wotbot]

Definitely going by this site lol

[leeeroythe3rd]

Fake news

[S2Killinit]

This should really be the end of the discussion...

"Proudly standing on stage, Phil Spencer proclaimed that they be showing “42 titles on its E3 stage including 22 with console exclusivity”. Except, that’s not entirely true is it Phil? Of the 42 games on display, only a handful are actually “exclusive” to Xbox consoles – not that you could tell the difference though. Launch exclusives, Resolution exclusives, World Exclusives, Xbox/Win 10 Exclusives, Exclusive Exclusives – The word was thrown around so often during Microsoft’s E3 2017 presentation that it lost all semblance of meaning. After the dust of E3 2017 started to settle, it became quite clear that a large percentage of that “22 games with console exclusivity” would be coming to other consoles at some point too, PlayerUnknown’s Battlegrounds among them."

WTF MS???

[GrimDragon]

Frenemies.

[BILLYGATEZ]

Makes sense since Xbox fanboys already seem to be the assholes no one really likes within the gaming community.

[Chaosdreams]

I loved reading this. Well done.

[westcoastcooldude]

These anti-xbox articles are getting ridiculous on this site. I don't think N4G could last a week without having some biased opinion articles about xbox or ps4 or switch for that matter. It seems like for every good article or piece of news about MS on this site, there's some article made within the same day or two discrediting it or telling you why they don't like it.

[LordJamar]

what a dumb article trying to demonize xbox this is the definition of click bait the xbox one x must have really pissed haters off there comeing out of the wood work to down play and bash xbox with everything they got this site os realyl becoming a cess pool of xbox hate there is no middle ground at all nothing ever good comes form these type of caner topics

[Gravesinger_]

WOW! I'm PC Master Race 100% and even I think this was just fluff piece for all the $ony Cucks out there. GOD I can wait till Consoles are irrelevant.

[CJLogix]

Cant take any articles that start off like that seriously. Pure fanboy rant. Xbox is fantastic! get over it.

[Tko1111]

sony is amazing Microsoft is the devil next story please.

[BadElf]

.....

[Retard]

Actually reading the article; and the comments listed thereafter - Seems the hate is real, fluid, and strong.

[MrCrabPuss]

FFS sulk some more please. Either check your self entitlement or go kick rocks you spoiled babies. "Its not fair", "Its not exactly what I want", "I demand this, and I demand that or else..." "I dont like what they said to me", "Its not good enough"

Look children, Im sure we'd all love to be handed the "proverbial console pony from daddy" but it just aint ever gonna happen.
You dont like MS's ideas then go buy that other mediocre gaming box from those other guys, jesus C.
Love it or lump it.

Love,
P.C.

[JasonKCK]

Maybe to the Sony fanboys like the one who wrote this.

[StuffAndThings]

Thats already Jim Ryan over at Sony

[zerocarnage]

To say no one likes is a pretty bold statement to claim.

Over 47million Xbox live subs would disagree with that, sure that was the number last time I checked last year.

[feraldrgn]

Although I agree on some points like concern trolling, there was no need to write an article about it.

[kingjames18]

Is it me or are "Opinion" articles that are negative against XBOX getting more numerous the closer we get to the Xbox One X release? I sense fear from those who are so ardent in protecting their precious Sony brand.

[GamingCentaur]

It's a nice way to put it.
Industry doesn't really need Xbox. Industry was doing just fine when it was just Sony and Nintendo.

That's not to say Xbox hasn't contributed some innovation to the industry. There's no need for "cross play" unless your console install base is so low.

[foxdie2014]

@4Sh0w let me know when he starts working hard for xbox and stops lieing and coming up empty like every year ok ill wait and my xbox also will wait havent been turned on sin release of gears 4 and only have 2 games for it thats it.

[CarnageGRAstro]

PS4 rulz :P