Calling Uncharted 4’s PS4 Gameplay Visuals a “Downgrade” Is a Shameful Display of Ignorance

The word “downgrade” has become popular lately, with certain areas of the press and many gamers as well, putting every new trailer and reveal of a hyped game under the microscope, looking for elements that could be seen as inferior to their counterparts in earlier reveals.

Of course Uncharted 4: A Thief’s End‘s first gameplay reveal is no exception. It’s a relevant first party exclusive, which makes it a juicy target, and the internet is full of improvised graphics experts calling this or that downgrade.

Fact is that this kind of operation is a rather shameful display of ignorance.

[BitbyDeath]

Don't care if people think it is a downgrade it is still the best looking game around, just look at the differences between Uncharted 3 and 4, difference is massive.

UC3 - http://fronttowardsgamer.co...

UC4 - http://i3.minus.com/ibzcEpx...

UC3 - http://nextgengamingblog.co...

UC4 - https://gbatemp.net/attachm...

[GribbleGrunger]

I watched the presentation and the model they used for the E3 demo was actually shown and it's the same model they used in the demo.

The problem is that people think you'll still get the same amount of detail even when the camera is pulled further back but that's impossible. Even a 4k close up would have to reduce detail as it pulled away from the camera.

When we saw the detail in the E3 demo, Drakes face filled the entire screen so we got to see the detail at it's finest. If you look at the E3 trailer, you can see quite clearly, once he stands and moves further away from the camera. that the detail is exactly the same as the demo; in fact, the foliage, although lit slightly differently, is actually sharper in the demo.

It's just yet another example of sour grapes.

[nicksetzer1]

It is 100% not the same quality as the E3 footage. Despite them saying it was in game footage on a PS4 and not a cutscene. I think that is the gripe. Honestly though the game looks great, and is certainly one of the best (if not the best) looking gakes around. Doesn't make it untrue that it was downgraded though.

As far as I am concerned, (personally) it makes no difference to me and I am looking forward to this game quite a bit.

[GribbleGrunger]

They used exactly the same model from the E3 trailer in the game. There is no downgrade, just different lighting and characters that are further from the camera. Go and watch the presentation in which they show the models and how they built them. It's only a Youtube video but you can see them using the model here:

https://www.youtube.com/wat...

We had the exact same thing leading up to Infamous and Driveclub but when those games released, people suddenly went quiet. Sony aren't third party. They don't have to make compromises with their engines like some others do. And this is ND who occupy the same building as the ICE team.

[morganfell]

Let it go Gribble. You should know by now that nicksetzer isn't remotely interested in anything to do with the PS4 unless he is sowing discord. Knowledge or understanding is not his goal. His entire post history is replete with case upon case, one example after another of his rolling into PS4 articlews and trolling as he is now.

He can say what he likes (in this case it is stealth trolling - pretending to like something while pointing out percieved weaknesses) but his whole intention is to belittle the game. The only downgrading is that being meted out by people like him.

You, I, and hordes of other people know the truth but he will deny it to no end. Whether it is fear or jealousy, I care not. But the purpose of his actions is quite clear and irrefutable.

[nicksetzer1]

@gribble if you can't see the difference (even in the cutscenes between

https://www.youtube.com/wat...

And

https://www.youtube.com/wat...

Then you are lying to yourself. Even the close up on his face during the cutscene is obvious.

@morganfell unlike you
1. I own both consoles
2. I mention any squabbles I have with each.

You on the otherhand fight tooth and nail to support anything sony does. Just because I am not trying to pretend this gameplay is equal quality doesn't make me a fanboy. Especially considering anyone can see my history and see you are full of crap, and ironically are the one guilty of what you are insinuating about me. I didn't insult the game, and frankly could care less, but there was certainly a downgrade anyone with eyes can see.

I mean seriously I am not even complaining, just like I haven't about other downgrades, because frankly I don't care, especially when the game still looks great. The better question is why you take auch personal offense to it...

You are just overbloating what I say to fit your agenda. You act as if I am ruining your life by saying the game is one of the best looking games to date.

[extermin8or]

@gribbleGrunger: they don't just occupy the same building as the ICE team, the ICE team is basically a part of ND...

[morganfell]

Ownership of multiple consoles is not a permission slip to troll or act in an unwanted manner. And your remarks are undesired except by desperate Sony haters and others that fear the PS4. Multiple consoles isn't carte blanche to exercise a character defect. If you have failed to understand this then you need to wait on maturity and simple reasoning to catch up and then you can re-enter this conversation.

Owning a second console does not provide some magical insight and in no way excuses your endless flood of anti-Sony sentiments born out of insecurity rather than mystical purchasing derived knowledge. And the fact is no one is going to buy pictures of you with a neighbor's PS4 or posts of a friend' handle. Jump up and down and scream all you like but your past actions have defined you.

It also doesn't make you more intelligent in any sense of the word. If nothing else your lack of insight into Sony has handily demonstrated this truth.

As a gamer I had the common sense not to support a company like Microsoft who sought in a single day to deprive gamers of more rights than any company in the history of gaming. In fact multiple consoles in this instance works against your falacy of volume = intelligence as it reveals you should have exercised more restraint and common sense instead of supporting an anti-gamer conglomerate and thus shooting yourself in the gaming foot.

I am not "overbloating? (you should have stayed in school)" anything you say. You have managed your own demise all on your own. There is nothing so ironic, or satisfying I might add, as self-pwnage.

[GribbleGrunger]

@nicksetzer1:

Did you read what I've written? Now go back and watch those videos again and note how much of the screen Nathan Drake's face takes up in the E3 trailer compared to the demo. They just gave us a close up to show the level of detail available through their engine, which is exactly what they did on the panel I posted. It's exactly the same model.

It's an impossibility for something to get further away and retain all the detail. Even on the most expensive top end PC running at 4k, the detail HAS to be reduced because as an object gets smaller the amount of pixels are reduced. It's common sense.

It's actually how our eyes work too, unless you can spot a zit at 200 yards.

These are about a third of the size of that E3 demo:

http://www.junkiemonkeys.co...

This is the FULL screen image. Use your brain:

http://assets2.ignimgs.com/...

[nicksetzer1]

@morganfell Fist off, you must feel pretty high and mighty to claim that you are the voice for the entire community.
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"And your remarks are undesired except by desperate Sony haters and others that fear the PS4."
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Also, you continue to claim I am trolling and or a "sony hater" yet you have no foundation for those claims. You actually are upset that I am saying something good, just because you are pissing and moaning doesn;t make it bad, I was not insulting the game in any way. In fact even more Ironically, not only am I not a "sony hater" as you claim, but you are a die hard Ms hater. That is called hypocrisy. In fact, it is just proof of your god complex that allows you to think your opinions are fact and that anyone that does not share them is wrong.

YOU are the one who should learn about maturity. You simply claiming someone is wrong or placing labels upon others (like fanboys, hater, etc) is the pure definition of being childish.

Also, owning a second console does prove 2 things.
1. I am basing my opinions off of actual experience. (while you base yours off of nothing)
2. I have no bias, preference sure, but why would you buy something which you are biased against? It proves the contradiction you have created.

more hilarious yet, you claim my ideas are unfounded and trolling, yet you continue to actually troll in the very same comment and make false statements about your opinion (and post them as fact, like below)

"As a gamer I had the **common sense** not to support a company like Microsoft who sought in a single day to deprive gamers of more rights than any company in the history of gaming."

So you are basically saying you are right because you hate MS for a single mistake? I'm guessing those theories didn't apply the previous mistakes other companies have made right? and you handily ignore the fact that it is exactly how steam works, do you also think anyone who uses steam is a sucker? Or are you just making more baseless assumptions on how it would work and posing them as fact?

also, you are obviously not from US and think that your countries use of the English language in universally superior right? Just like you seem to think your opinion is superior, right?

http://www.trust.org/item/2...
http://www.vircom.com/secur...
http://dailysignal.com/2013...
http://www.foxnews.com/worl...

@gribble we can just agree to disagree, I see a clear difference. It is only prealpha, so I am sure it will increase before launch. however thos models you keep posting do not even match what was shown in the PSX demo. you do realize models ALWAYS look better than they do in game. Also, yes I realize distance decreases what can be seen visually by your eyes. I am talking one close-up @ PSX vs another close up at E3, E3 was superior.

this is what models Ghosts used, did they look that in game? no.
http://static.businessinsid...

[GribbleGrunger]

Goodness me, you're comparing a COD game to a ND game?

[morganfell]

Hey Nick, look up over bloated at dictionary.com. Perhaps then the facts will dawn on you. Then again since you missed it the first time, well, perhaps not. How could you not see it? By posting those links you just committed sel-pwnage...again.

The foundation for my claims that you are an anti-Sony troll is based upon your own post history. Since you have failed in this conversation, repeatedly in fact, to read what Gribble has written I doubt very much you have ever entertained such actions as regards perusing your own posts.

Are you truly oblivious to what you have written? Apparently so but the fact remains you have a post history and it defines you very clearly as someone that wades into a Sony article and seeks to scrounge up any piece of dirt you can find...or invent. Why do you think I have called you on this repeatedly.

Repeatedly.

So you see I am not the one marking you as an anti-Sony troll, you are doing a fine job of that all on your lonesome. Far be it from me to interfere with a craftsman.

I am mature enough not to continually wade into threads with the sole purpose of causing discord which can only serve some egotistical purpose. For proof of this you will have to commit the distasteful act of reading your own posts for those are precisely your actions. Yes we are back to that, your posts. If only you understood your own actions...but alas.

You can sit there and pretend you have no bias but you are fooling no one at all that is the least bit familiar with your history. As I said, this entire affair is entirely of your own making. Your actions drip bias by the bucket. So, to further educate you, multiple console ownership does not protect one against bias...either. And yours shows itself constantly.

If you think what MS made was a little itsy bitsy mistake rather than a policy grab attempt on a grand scale then you really do fail to comprehend matters. It was a monumental attempt to seize gamers rights. If you can't understand that...wait, you can't understand that. MS said, "Oh we're sorry" and you just nodded and kept munching grass.

And as any psychiatrist will tell you, the reason you think other people believe themselves to be superior, even when they do not, is a matter rooted in deep feelings of inferiority.

You have 3 bubbles left so make them count.

[TFJWM]

Trolls gonna troll

[nicksetzer1]

@gribble No I am pointing out models do not equal what you see in game, even sometimes in cutscenes.

@morgan Ok Morgan whatever makes you feel better about your imposition of your opinion onto others. Sadly you think that votes/bubbles equal validity, which sadly isnt the case. Your case is so weak you actually have based your entire argument on just hoping people believe you. Your only argument for yourself is that I have a history of doing such, yet.

http://n4g.com/news/1635224...
http://n4g.com/news/1635197...
Even on this same game:
http://n4g.com/news/1635191...
In fact I even call out MS within my last 15 comments:
http://n4g.com/news/1635667...

Your argument is based solely on the fact that you are a whiny child who has to fabricate information to attempt to diminish others opinions, followed by your narcissistic relay of your opinion as fact.

[Morpheuzpr]

@morganfell

"So you see I am not the one marking you as an anti-Sony troll, you are doing a fine job of that all on your lonesome. Far be it from me to interfere with a craftsman."

So eloquent, so poetic. I take my hat of in your presence.

[jars23]

I agree. All they need to do is to watch the camera zoom back into literally anything and it will look exactly like the E3 demo again.
I'm worried about it being at a stable 30hz instead of 60 this far into the build though. They said they were aiming for 60, i hope that wasn't just an ideal to them. In my experience there hasn't ever been a game showcased to the public at 30fps that later achieved 60 upon release.
Not so much as that I need 60fps to enjoy an Uncharted game, but rather because 60fps to me would further solidify the technological leap that current gen has over last gen.

[fenome]

It's totally irrelevant to call a 'downgrade' on something that's still in the pre-alpha stages. Maybe they focused extra time to polish the E3 demo, time which they still have to polish up the rest of the game as well, especially considering that there's not even an official damn release date yet. How about you guys wait until you see the final product before you spill out your "DOWNGRADE! PREORDER CANCELLED!!" negative propaganda bandwagon? smdh...

Games are reaching an amazing pinnacle right now and nobody appreciates anything anymore, there's no respect towards the developers that are busting their asses to give us these experiences. There's no props or acknowledgement given to them where credit is due, people just want to downplay and talk sh*t on it while their sitting on their asses not doing anything...

This is an amazing time to be a gamer, it's seriously starting to sicken me with how ridiculous and hate-fueled the gaming community has become towards the people that are giving us these creations. If there ever is actually a collapse of the gaming industry it's going to be because of us and the venom we spew, and that's just a sad fact..

[Outside_ofthe_Box]

@nicksetzer1

*Sigh*

I really didn't want to get into this, but in all honesty:

http://n4g.com/news/1625973...

http://n4g.com/news/1599669...

http://n4g.com/news/1608746...

I have yet to see anyone on N4G that is truly unbiased. And owning both consoles doesn't make you immune to bias either. There are plenty of people on this site that claim to own both and then go ahead and troll and then throw the "I own both btw" card at of the end of the comment as if it excuses their trolling lol.

Anyway, UC4 looks good and will look even better when it actually releases seeing how the demo was pre-alpha.

The people complaining about "downgrade" are the same people that go "graphics don't matter, the gameplay is the same on both" when it comes to multiplat comparisons.

[Dee_91]

its another case of change=downgrade, from the downgrade brigade.
The only 2 games that I noticed with a substantial downgrade compared to its e3 trailer equivalent are watch dogs and the crew... and both of those games are still great.You people get all emotional and over exaggerate stuff way too much.

@Outside_ofthe_Box
Being "truly unbiased" is a myth.I game quite a bit on PC but I am always on here making fun of the master race.. If I see something that annoy me I point it out. Even if there was a downgrade its not a bad as people are making it seem.

[husomc]

the ppl who scream downgrade want to play the game with the camera stuck on Drake's facial pores

[ShadowWolf712]

@nicksetzer1

Actually, ND never said that was in-game. They said that the video was running IN-ENGINE on a PS4, that it wasnt a pre-rendered cinematic trailer running on a PC.

http://www.naughtydog.com/s...

"All footage you see in the trailer was captured completely in engine. That’s Nathan Drake rendered in 1080p full glory using the power of our PS4 engine. All footage you see in the trailer was captured completely in engine."

[Double Toasted]

Best looking game? Lol, hardly. The game looks average at best. If it would've looked like the E3 reveal, then I would likely agree with you. Wow, some people...whoa.

[TheFanboySlayer]

@Outside ofthe Box..

I'm unbiased here at n4g lol I am the fanboy slayer :) I do not own an Xbox though. hopefully soon.

[Saijahn]

It's the age we live in where graphics matter more than anything else. Uncharted 4 looks amazing even if it's downgraded from what was shown at e3. I'm sure it will be an amazing game to actually play too.

I'm glad that we are about to get into some real legit next-gen games that can validate the early adopters of the new consoles.

2015 will be a great year to be a gamer.

[ShinMaster]

You CAN'T COMPARE a cutscene with gameplay and call it a "downgrade". That's dumb.

Watch_Dogs, for example, showed gameplay and it looked great. And then when compared with the final product, we saw a downgrade.

But Naughty Dog never showed gameplay before. So how can it be a "downgrade" from a cutscene, even if they were both in-engine?

[hkgamer]

depends what model you are talking about.

in the gameplay demo they use 2 different models or maybe even more. you can see one transition where it goes from gameplay to cutscene and you can see the moment drakes model switches.

there was a gif floating around that shows the differences.

[OB1Biker]

IMO bottom line is we talk about 'downgrade' when comparing the same footage or exactly the same time of the day/wheather/lightning/environ ment form a finished game. People are losing it because Drake doesn't look as handsome in a different condition than the E3 trailer
People should Wait for the same footage in the finished game to compare then we can talk

[IGiveHugs2NakedWomen]

If the demo at Playstation Experience was pre-alpha then what exactly is footage from any other demo like E3? Anyone who says that "pre-alpha" footage is a downgrade is a know-it-all who doesn't know anything. For all anyone knows the E3 2014 trailer/demo was being run on a high performance PC. Only an idiot would use the words downgrade and pre-alpha in the same sentence.

[Gazondaily]

"It's just yet another example of sour grapes."

Let's chuck this at the end of any post and be done with that.

So some people are saying, oh it was.obviously a cutscene. Then others are saying no, it's the same model (it is no where near as detailed)...I mean, it's silly.

You know what's really silly? That so much noise was made about this resolutiongate stuff but somehow people can't tell the difference here.

Another thing people don't get is, a lot of the disappointment is based on the overall look of the game. Now it still looks great, it really does, but not as great as the many people were expecting after the E3 trailer and statements from ND.

It's guess it's a testament to the pedigree of ND as a studio that a game so early in development and one that looks this good can still disappoint people. It's also supposed to run at 60fps and that's pretty crazy for the things they're pulling off. But I feel misled and for good reason. From the 'actual PlayStation footage' intro in the E3 trailer and from Naughty Dog making vague b.s. statements about what we saw, which people were so quick to refer to on here, I don't see how the claims of downgrades is in any way shameful ignorant as this article so brazenly puts it.

In fact, have a read of this. Now come back and tell me all the people in the comments section are idiots.

http://n4g.com/news/1526852...

[IGiveHugs2NakedWomen]

@Septic

"Another thing people don't get is, a lot of the disappointment is based on the overall look of the game. Now it still looks great, it really does, but not as great as the many people were expecting after the E3 trailer and statements from ND"

The PSX demo was P R E - A L P H A. You seem like a smart guy. I know you know what pre-alpha footage/gameplay usually depicts. It wasn't anything even close to what the final version will look like. The glitch that happened obviously showed that ND hasn't even begun the Q&A process. At this point, any comments about how the game looks or plays are disingenuous at best because the people making such comments are all intelligent enough to understand what the term "Pre-Alpha" means and what any demo with that label is likely to show.

[morganfell]

Again Nick, you ignore the facts. I do not have to fabricate anything. Maybe that is why you are beginning to lose control. I do not pile onto someone because of a single remark. Or even two. Whenever I see something that sticks out I go to their post history and I look for a pattern. If it is the odd remark I let it go. But with you it is a pattern. That is what you ignore.

Oh wow, you call MS out once. Is that supposed to excuse what you have been doing? No, not in the least and I will not let it go. Your issue here in reality is that someone is shining a very harsh light on you and you do not like it. It isn't just others seeing it but your remarks are beginning to make it clear that you do not like what you see about yourself.

You have been after Sony since you joined this year. Your very first remark ever (with this username) was about the PS3. Hilarious that it was incorrect as it's another one of those Rent to Own remarks that couldn't look at the cost of a 360, plus 7 years of Live, plus everything that was required to upgrade the original 360 such as HDMI. I love how you came in here and allude to the cost of the original base 360 and PS3. You are another one of those persons who like to pretend after a few years the 360 was still cheaper than a PS3. And that first comment ever was marked as trolling. You have been on a roll since then.

http://n4g.com/news/1461930...

Just start there and work your way forward. It really doesn't take that long and it's stunning how many Sony articles you come into with the one purpose and one only. I do not have to list specific bullets as that was handled easily below. Instead I point to your entire history.

You have been on an ax grind against Sony since that first day. Why do you think people have like me have continually called you on the carpet? You need to go back and look at your past. You need to look at the PATTERN. It has been pretty relentless. But I and others like Gribble and Outsidethe Box aren't going to let such matters pass.

Again I do not have to make any effort in this matter other than stating the facts. You have managed to make my argument for you. You are like a prisoner in front of a firing squad that shoots himself. All anyone must do is examine this:

http://n4g.com/user/comment...

Look at the pattern. And contrary to you opinion, this is not to make me feel. It is quite frankly time spent that would be better utilized elsewhere but someone has to get out the fly swatter.

You have two left...

[Bansai]

No downgrade ? Are you all blind xD ?

E3 was 60 fps, this downgraded garbage was 30 fps, not to mention the graphical differences

[AndrewLB]

ShadowWolf712- Corrinne Yu says otherwise.

"They are in game visuals in 3d captured on a playstation 4"
http://busted.gr/wp-content...

"Our U4 trailer is an in engine real game level running on a real PS4. Our trailer doesn't look good enough to be prerender CGI"
http://i.imgur.com/nyq0LK7....

[Dannylew]

No the problem is that people.. "ignorant people" think that all software house is like Ubisoft "a.k.a. ubifake" ...

[OB1Biker]

@Bansai
a rock solid 30fps in a pre-alpha gameplay has nothing to do with a 'downgrade''
As for graphics, as much as its not fair to compare from a different environment/weather/time of the day/and so many factors. I ll leave it there
http://i5.minus.com/iT2LBHU...

[tordavis]

Nick completely destroyed Morganfell and dropped a mic. *popcorn

[nveenio]

I didn't feel like anything was a downgrade. I'm just hoping they can keep the graphical fidelity they have while still delivering experiences like the train sequence and such. Keeping those jaw dropping moments is what I want most from every Uncharted installment.

[creatchee]

Just as an aside, does anyone else appreciate the irony that morganfell had one bubble before the big reset a few years ago and is now bubble-counting/taunting Nick about his?

Also, who gives a crap about downgrades - the game looks gorgeous.

[TFJWM]

Haters gonna Hate, Gamers gonna game

[ZombieKiller]

Well said TFJ

Honestly, let em hate. I'm not going to care when the game is in my hands and I'm screaming like a freaking kid on Christmas.

Like Donny said to Ralph in Turtles II: "Everyone's a critic"

Maybe the bar was set so high by ND, that the people claiming this really had no clue how good the past games looked.

[fenome]

Exactly, sippin' that strong salty haterade. Wish gamers spent more time gaming and appreciating what they have instead of trying to downplay everything nowadays

[tekksin]

honestly..... UC3 looks like a ps4 game lmao. bad examples, but your heart is in the right place.

[radler]

Funnily enough UC3 also had a pretty big downgrade between what was shown at E3 and how the final game ended up looking.

At the time I defended it. I thought well gee, I really enjoyed UC2 a whole lot and I like Naughty Dog, so I'll give them a pass because hey, even if it's not what they advertised it's still gonna be a decent game, right?

Yeah, I'm done being an idiot and getting suckered by companies. Other people can be chumps and make excuses for being deceived, but I'm not doing that any more. Naughty Dog are rightfully getting called out for this, and I'm glad. The more this happens, the more it discourages developers from trying to trick people.

[DigitalRaptor]

@ Radler.

What downgrade are you talking about?

Those cutscene shots? Those weren't downgrades, they had lighting adjustments that made the scene look different. If you're pre-rendering your cutscenes, why on earth would you DOWNGRADE them when you can apply anything and everything to make them look better? That makes no sense whatsoever.

Those comparisons were utter bulls**t. You say you're done being an idiot? Are you sure about that because only an idiot would believe the writings of a fool with an agenda, and then base their future beliefs on that crap.

[Magicite]

yeah but we cant really compare different generations, we must compare with current games (not saying it doesnt look better).

[Gaming247allday]

LOL it was ok to call Ryse a downgrade though right??
double standards and hypocrisy all over this joint

[xPhearR3dx]

Well, the devs came out and said they had to downgrade the games visuals. So that's different. Either way, I honestly don't see all the fuss about UC4. What they've shown is nothing innovative or mind blowing.

[Majin-vegeta]

Uhh what??Except for the fact that Xrytek even admitted it was downgraded.

http://gearnuke.com/ryse-do...

[Revengeance]

Yes it IS ok to call Ryse a downgrade because Crytek admitted they downgraded it. Care to tell me how Uncharted 4 is a downgrade?

[ShinMaster]

Crytek showed gameplay. Naughty Dog didn't.

Therefore, Ryse was shown to have been downgraded, whereas Uncharted 4 never had any previous gameplay footage to compare it to. Just a cutscene.

And Crytek admitted there was a downgrade. So yes it's ok.

[slappy508]

"Either way, I honestly don't see all the fuss about UC4. What they've shown is nothing innovative or mind blowing"

You're obviously not the type to pay attention to details then, are you? I have never seen a game , and this is just a demo, that is so technically astute eg: the absolutely flawless transition from cutscene to in game footage in the beginning, the realistic lighting technique displayed in the cave with his torch, muscle movement, the detail of the foliage and environment , water physics (the waterfall especially) the draw distance (beginning of demo), etc etc. that demo was mind blowing.

Not to mention the improved AI and their models, it feels far more organic. The use of the environment combined with stealth and melee combat takes gameplay to a new level. There was also an addition of a grappling hook. I. Just touching the surface here, but anyway, it's You are not a fan of uncharted, but if you fail to see the changes, then I recommend getting glasses.

[Bathyj]

Can someone tell me one game, EVER in the history of videogames where the cutscenes and the gamplay looked exactly the same?

Thats not even possible, cutscenes by their very nature have more resources to draw upon and less to worry about. The only way its possible is if the cutscenes themselves were downgraded to match the gameplay. Thats not me, thats just science.

So why is Uncharted being called out when not just some games, but EVERY game is like this? Oh yeah, they lied to us, they got our hopes up, Killzone E3 a decade ago, bla bla bla.

I saw that first reveal, I got excited for what was coming. They said game engine, but at no time did they say it was gameplay. How would you even see that detail with the camera 20 feet behind the player? How do you know if the camera were to zoom right in to pore lever the LoD wouldnt scale to match it?

The same people whining now are the same people saying chest hair blowing in the breeze wasnt needed cos you wouldnt see it. Make up your mind, you cant have it both ways.

The cutscene did its job, it gave me an overall gauge on how much Naughty Dog has upped their game with the new hardware. The gameplay hammered that home for me. Look at UC4 compared to Last of us remastered. LoU of PS4 looked amazing but it was a last gen port and showed. UC4 shows a generational leap and what can be done when a game is built from the ground up for PS4 by people who know what theyre doing. And Naughty Dog know what theyre doing. Better than us, thats for sure. How many times do they have to prove this before the haters stop doubting them?

I honestly dont see what the big deal is and why people feel deceived. If you rushed out and preordered based on a cutscene and now you feel like you were lied to, well they by all means, go cancel your preorder, and maybe try to grown up a bit, lose the naivety and learn the difference between cutscene and gameplay.

For the rest of us, the gameplay is the standard that Naughty Dog are telling us the game will reach or exceed. This is what youre going to get. If they dont do that in a YEARS TIME, then maybe you have a case to b*tch. Right now youre just coming off as sour.

[vakarian75]

Metal gear solid twin snakes through metal gear solid 5.

[Imalwaysright]

Seriously? There are countless games with real time in-engine cutscenes, some of them even allowing us to interact with them like MGS games.

People feel deceived because Corrinne Yu went on twitter saying that the Uncharted reveal wasn't pre-rendered.

http://www.gameskinny.com/i...

If devs don't want people to have certain expectations, they should just shut up, especially for a game as hyped and as highly anticipated as Uncharted 4.

[Bathyj]

Well fair enough, I didnt really think about that, but that just illustrates my point.

Metal Gear is a series with great graphics and Kojima didnt feel the need to make the cutscenes look better than the gameplay. Hes decided he wanted them to look the same. Thats a choice that he made, and being able to interact with those cutscenes is probably a big reason for it.

Most games dont do that. Cut scenes are nearly always dressed up, like a replay in a racing game since to have extra resources to do that. Uncharted is no different but for some reason this is a big deal all of a sudden.

BTW, Uncharteds cutscenes are in engine, and are not pre rendered. ND have stated this time and time again. Theyve never done CGI in Uncharted, but they werent done on the fly either while you were playing it. They were real time at the time of recording, but you were basically just watching a video in the first 3 games.

This wont be the case in UC4, so if Drake has a cut, or dirty shirt or a bandana on in the game, he will likely carry this on into the cutscene since it will be in real time, generated on the fly while you are playing, and I assume it will look pretty close to what we saw in the initial reveal since it was made the same way.

Either way, this downgrade stuff is way overblown. The game looks fantastic. Base your opinion on what you saw in the gameplay because thats what youre getting. Its still a year away and they shown you well ahead of time so no one should be acting like they got duped if they purchase it in 2015.

[GribbleGrunger]

They're using the same models because they are no longer going to use recorded cutscenes, they're going to render them in real time so the transition between the two is smooth and seamless. If we see a close up shot (in game) of Nathan Drakes Face, it will look exactly the same as the close up shots in the cutscenes. They're doing this in the order too.

Watch this: https://www.youtube.com/wat...

[Imalwaysright]

@ Bathyj

I thought that Corrinne had lied to us because the reveal looked so much better than the gameplay that I thought that it was pre-rendered. Real time cutscenes, like you said, are rendered on the fly and don't add effects or make the game look better as they use the same exact assets as the gameplay portions. It's all rendered in-engine like the gameplay.

If the reveal wasn't pre-rendered then it seems that Uncharted 4 did have a downgrade from it to the gameplay shown which I personally don't care about because the game still looks great. This whole situation only left me with a bad taste in my mouth because I thought that another dev had lied to us and that is something that really pisses me off.

[Bathyj]

Realtime cutscenes still add extra graphic effects because they dont have to worry about AI and other stuff. Nothings happening in a cutscene that they didnt make happen.

In game the engine has to be ready to deal with multiple options like physics. Thats why cutscenes always look better, even when theyre realtime.

And theres no way you can call downgrade yet going from cutscene to gameplay because its apples to oranges. You could only do that when we see another cutscene from the game, close to its finished state and if it doesnt match up, then call downgrade.

People are just jumping to gun because ND is raising the bar, AGAIN, like they do everytime they releases a game, and some just cant stand it.

[ShinMaster]

While MGS cutscenes and gameplay look the same, it's not because gameplay looks as good as the cutscenes, it's just that they made no effort to make the cutscenes look that much better than gameplay, and mostly because they happen in real time.

ND likes to get more artistic with their cutscenes.

[DarXyde]

The attention to detail of his hair being swayed out of place when he's thrown against the wall alone is something to really appreciate.

[jwillj2k4]

I dont know, DC is pretty high up there still..

[BitbyDeath]

Don't forget the E3 footage was from a real game level so a true 1:1 comparison can be done later.

https://twitter.com/Corrinn...

[kenshiro100]

Its pretty obvious that the people screaming 'downgrade' either don't own a PS4 or they want this game to fail badly.

[CYCLEGAMER]

It was ignorant on both sides.

Ignorant for the fanboys saying that the initial preview was gameplay, and ignorant for the other fanboys to believe them, which in turn led them to call it a downgrade....it is just an ignorant situation all together.

[Clunkyd]

People who say its a "downgrade" are just the insecure fanboys.
I know, It's pathetic.

[GODOKUNODAN]

Lol nicks tester is a delusional tool. The Graphics a lot U4 are 100% not downgraded, and whoever says they are is an ingnorant idiot. You would have to be pretty dumb in the first place to buy a system that only uses DDR3. Did you see the U4Drake facial animation demo? They put U4 drakes face model right next to U3 Drakes face model. There is a dramatic difference. U4 Drake model makes the old one look like a carictature. He now has over 150 different facial expressions. The only difference between this demo and the teaser is the time of day, and Drake doesn't have any cuts and scrapes on his face . Otherwise, SAME.DAMN.FACE MODEL. Same wrinkles same pores, same facial hair. Same textures. Only other difference In the teaser Drake woke up with his face in a puddle, so half his face was wet. During the PSX demo he got pushed into a waterspout and his hair got wet.

You Xbot douches are going to get PWNED by this game. Just stfu and take it.

[UKmilitia]

on a website(~hotukdeals) a guy was trying to tell me that the PS4 is only slightly better in graphics that ps3.
saying gta5 difference is only 1st person mode,last of uis looked exactly same and nothing shown or out on ps4 looks any better than ps3 games.

like the same people saying the word DOWNGRADE all time,they cannot be helped.

[showtimefolks]

bottom line is this i ND we are talking about, and the game is still a year away. so calm down we will get the best game possible on ps4 in fall 2015

it is time we should give ND the benefit of the doubt

OT:

most people bashing or complaining are xbox fanboys, so what do you expect. They see a true GOTY contender and offcourse they will bash it

[Nerdmaster]

I actually like the UC3 images more. Sure, UC4 has more effects, realism and all, but UC3 looks more visually appealing to me.

[chaldo]

@Septic

"It's also supposed to run at 60fps"

It's not SUPPOSED to. They are targeting 60. It's not guaranteed. I hope they pull it off though. If not, the game will still look stunning running at a constant 30fps.

BTW, watch this - https://www.youtube.com/wat...

Not disappointed at all.

[Azzanation]

Its far from the best looking game around. It looks good so far. Doesn't matter how gamers turn it, its still a downgrade and ND tricked gamers with there first trailer. Not that it matters.

[SPAM-FRITTER-123]

Some people are just blind.

http://i.imgur.com/QAQXZsF....

[Gamer1982]

Xbox fans will say anything to downplay PS4 games just as PS fans do the same with Xbox games.. This is the modern generation gamer :(.

[Sharingan_no_Kakashi]

The order looks better than Uncharted 4. Unfair I know because The order is practically on rails and Uncharted 4 is more open than it's ever been. But people should stop focusing on the graphics. They said that the graphics weren't final yet, and it still has a long ways before release.

[BallsEye]

Great looking yes. Best looking? Not really.

http://img6.gram.pl/2014090...

[Muzikguy]

I can't wait to play this game. I'm not seeing this huge downgrade yet, maybe a little one. I'm still going to buy and play the hell out of the game when it comes out!! And too, media blackout.... I'm not getting disappointed by UC4 because from now on I'm not watching any more videos. That gameplay demo was the only one I need to see

http://www.gamersyde.com/hq...

[Mr-Dude]

Thats the internet for you.... full of experts on coding, development and they all have superhuman eyes in the graphics

Mostly in their benefit..

[98xpresent]

The graphics look good . But not nothing mind blowing like the people in this Community make it out to be

[solar]

exactly. looks really good, but nothing "mind blowing" like people think.

[nolifeking]

@sola
So what is exactly "mind blowing"? Because whenever I hear this, a non explanation is soon to follow.

[Bladesfist]

Some of them may just have glasses. You might want to get some.

[S2Killinit]

Seriously. How ignorant can people get? The game is gonna be a blast.
Looking at the MASSIVE difference between UC3, and UC4, its mind boggling, considering how gorgeous UC3 looked.

[CamBulls12]

This picture right here started off as a joke on Neogaf http://neogaf.com/forum/sho... only a joke, but someone on Reddit saw this and then claim downgrade, so he makes a thread about it then everyone believes him. I was in that Neogaf thread when it happened.

http://www.reddit.com/r/gam...

Comparing a cutscene to gameplay is very stupid.

[Convas]

When Sony released the Uncharted 4 trailer @ E3 2014, you people swore up and down on the "Naughty Gods" words that the trailer was "in-game, in-engine, realtime" being rendered at 60fps on a single PS4.

And now very suddenly, and conveniently, it was just a prerendered cutscene all along?

Funny.

[CamBulls12]

Yeah lets compare a cutscene in 60fps to pre-alpha gameplay in 30fps...

[ninsigma]

Since when is a cutscene not in engine??

[radler]

Yeah, Naughty Dog were blabbering on about how great 60fps is and they prefaced the trailer with big text stating it was "in engine" and well, the comparison speaks for itself.

People can make excuses all they want, but when you look at cold hard fact and compare the images side by side? The difference is tremendous.

Also, funny how NeoGAF is brought up considering the writer at DualShockers, the guy who submitted this article, has had his website blacklisted from there because of how much of a Sony fanboy he is. To put things into perspective here, they don't just do that to anyone, you really have to be a special case for that to happen and good old Abriael here is enough of a fanboy to count.

I mean really, an entire article dedicated to insulting disappointed fans? How pathetic.

The comparison speaks for itself, no amount of fanboy articles can change cold hard fact when it's there for everyone to see. The only thing that matters is if you care about the downgrade or not, the fact it exists in indisputable.

[Vegamyster]

Pretty much, we all knew the game was going to look gorgeous and most likely be fantastic but i knew that the 60 fps E3 trailer was not going to happen, i recall people getting quite angry if you tried to imply that a in-engine doesn't mean gameplay.

Regardless i'll probably pick up a PS4 for this game & BloodBourne.

[Ghost_Nappa]

No one ever said it was gameplay, and Naughty said that they aren't using pre rendered cutscenes anymore.

[GameDev1]

It is not pre rendered cutscene, it is just a cutscene

Naughty Dog themselves said Cutscene to Gameplay models transition will all be the same

But again it is funny you dont seem to understand a short trailer with full resources being put into it compared to an early gameplay with constraints

[Vegamyster]

@Ghost_Nappa

"No one ever said it was gameplay"

Really? I've seen lots of people who thought it was game play or a representation of what the game was going to look like.

http://n4g.com/news/1526720...

[Ninjatogo]

To be fair, Corrinne Yu said that it was real-time.
http://gearnuke.com/pre-ren...

If you take away the volumetric light beams it looks more or less like the gameplay demo.

[KwietStorm_BLM]

It didn't say "in-game, in-engine, realtime," because they all mean different things. And THAT is where all the stupids come into play. None of these people claiming downgrade, a buzzword these days, wants to understand that cutscenes may use the same assets as the gameplay, but they use different effects if it is pre-rendered. That is why the E3 trailer says captured directly from a PlauStation 4, and nothing more. There was nothing lied about. There was nothing faked. The words, as simple as they are to understand, are eight there on screen. Anyone who played God of War III, the scene early in the game where Kratos approaches Zeus on top of the mountain.. Brilliant graphics, RENDERED ON A PLAYSTATION 3, but noticeably different than some other scenes. That doesn't equal a downgrade, but like I said, buzzword, because of what some other studios may or may not have done. This isn't even anything new in gaming. But we live in a different era today, and amateur lens of truth employees are everywhere, talking about things they know nothing about.

[HeavenlySnipes]

The faces actually look similar from E3 and last week

http://i.imgur.com/d1IKfmF....

Can't wait to see how the game looks in action during the rainy/night scene

Every game looks better with wet shaders applied

Edit: And Convas, nothing in Uncharted 4 will be prerendered

I think I read somewhere that starting with this game the cutscenes will use ingame assets

Edit 2:

Found it

http://gearnuke.com/pre-ren...

[CamBulls12]

Good find I remember that article.

[Rimgal]

Abriel stop using logic. It makes some people mad D:

[StarLord_Who]

Because they saw a cutscene at E3 and thought it was gameplay. I wonder if this would have been sorted sooner if more people on the internet had a brain???

[trywizardo]

sorry but its kinda is -_- , the trailer said "actual PS4 footage" and its showed super graphics , but the demo graphics was not bad at all
@rimgal : uncharted didn't have CG scenes before , just like TLOU . that's why everyone including me thinks its a downgrade

[Rimgal]

And it is an actual PS4 footage.

You do know what a cutscene is don't you?

EDIT: Are you sure about that? https://www.youtube.com/wat...

[Abriael]

You may want to avoid talking for "everyone."

"Actual PS4 Footage" doesn't mean gameplay. It means simply that it's running on PS4.

Comparing a cutscene with gameplay, no matter if running in real time or not, is exactly the display of ignorance I mentioned in the headline.

Thanks for proving my point.

[Gazondaily]

Yeah but then what was the point of all that excitement then if the actual gameplay won't match the visuals?

And are we burying our heads in sand about how people would constantly regurgitate the tweets from ND about them talking about in game assets. If they are in game assets to spruce up visuals for a game where the actual gameplay doesn't come close to it then what's the point?

And then you come out and word it as strongly and call it a shameful display of ignorance?

You can't have your cake and eat it. You can't on the one hand shout from the rooftops and rejoice at the E3 footage and celebrate the visuals and then when we see gameplay say, oh it was just a cutscene.

It's not a shameful display of ignorance at all. It's just another example of a developer misleading people and rabid fans ratifying this nonsense practice by making excuses for them.

The fact of the matter is this. ND released that cutscene footage. The gameplay didn't match it. People were disappointed in the discrepancy between the two bits of footage shown. What this rabid fanbase has done is it has made it a point to ridicule anyone who claims disappointment based on what they were shown at E3 and the actual gameplay. And now we're made to believe in this B.S fiction that people didn't get etc excited with the E3 footage and equated it to the quality we expected to be reflected in gameplay. Your article is a prime culprit for this.

Yes it's early days and it was alpha footage shown but at least admit that the discrepancy is real. Let's not talk about the excuses others are saying about how Drake isn't wet or the lighting is different etc.

[jambola]

@septic
it's a display of ignorance because some people think gameplay looking worse than cutscenes is a downgrade

the same logic as calling every single game that ever showed a cutscene before gameplay a downgrade

[Outthink_The_Room]

.....So in other words Abriael, the E3 Trailer was a "Target Render"?

I recall about 1,000 articles/threads lately that have absolutely lambasted companies for showing BS Targets and never living up to them.

But you're somehow OK with this, now? Really? Seems quite hypocritical to say the least.

The trailer running at 60 frames, doesn't look as good at 30 frames, 6 months later? And you're actually applauding this and condemning the downgrade talk?

Agendas will agenda.

[Abriael]

@Outthink_The_Room: no. In other words (actually, in the same words) it was a cutscene running in real time. And no one ever said that it was anything else.

A "target render" is a completely different thing, and has absolutely nothing to do with the case here.

You shouldn't use terms you don't know to prove a false point. But after all, we're talking about ignorance here.

@Septic: first of all, saying that the gameplay "doesn't come close" is a display of blindness.

No one in any way hid that what we saw at E3 was a cutscene, and expecting cutscenes to look the same as gameplay is a quite ignorant thing to do. The article explains why quite clearly.

The fact of the matter is that ND showcased a real time cutscene at E3. We knew it was a real time cutscene, and if you expected gameplay to look the same as a cutscene, the responsibility is yours, because when gameplay and cutscenes look the same, it means that a developer is not doing a good job with cutscnes.

Simple as that.

[Outthink_The_Room]

@Abriael

So...you're trying to spin this as not being a "Target Render." Alright. Well, then you can explain to me a few things.

1. If the trailer wasn't a target, then you're saying what we saw in the trailer is actually the baseline model of graphics. And by baseline, I mean, standard, not something they're "aiming for". In other words, they've already achieved the baseline and are working to better that version.

2. So, the baseline would actually, then be running at 60, since that's what the trailer was touted as.

3. Since they were able to manage 60 frames, 6 months ago off of baselines, then why is the baseline now 30?

Problem is, if the baseline isn't 60 frames now, then they were actually targeting 60. Which you said, wasn't a target, correct?

So again, to recap. How does..

-An in game level (FACT)
-6 months ago (FACT)
-Running 60 frames (FACT)
-Using the same assets for cutscene/gameplay (FACT)

...Somehow look worse.....

------at 30 frames
------6 months later
------when it apparently wasn't a target render

Care to explain this to us?

[Abriael]

@Outthink_The_Room: Actually, I'm not spinning anything. The only one spinning something here is you (by associating elements that have absolutely nothing with one another).

This is not a target render, and you quite obviously don't even know what a target render is.

A target render is either pre-rendered footage or footage rendered on a PC that intends to roughly represent the quality on the target platform.

This has nothing to do with it, and before you try discussing semantics, you really should try learning them.

1: the trailer was a real-time cutscene, and represents how real time cutscenes were looking in the same lighting conditions at that specific time in development. That's it. period.

2, 3, and the rest. A change in frame rate, which isn't necessarily final, isn't a downgrade. It's simply a change. They're running on the same machine, and those resources have simply been used to upgrade other elements, like the much higher draw distance (which is a FACT, since you like to use the word).

Just changing the number of frames rendered is no downgrade if the juice is simply redirected to make other things look better.

This without mentioning that comparing a cutscene with gameplay, is, again, an extremely ignorant thing to do, because the graphical conditions are extremely different.

There's nothing to explain really. You simply need to learn some basics before discussing things you don't know about.

[Outthink_The_Room]

@Abriael

You seem to not understand what "target" means. Target means, you are AIMING for it. You are SHOOTING for it. You aim at a target, you shoot for a target. In other words, you haven't actually hit it yet. You haven't achieved it yet.

It has NOTHING to do with pre-rendered footage or anything like that. Again, a target, is something you're aiming for, because you haven't hit it yet.

You might want to learn the definition before you start trying to correct someone. I know exactly what a target render is. You apparently, do not.

Secondly, your ridiculous spin on "it's a cut-scene" BS, is tiresome. ND themselves have been telling everyone that art assets are the same for gameplay and cut-scenes. Same models and all.

...Here's the problem. Apparently they aren't the same. Because if they were, we wouldn't be having this conversation, now would we?

The fact is, the trailer assets do not match what we saw recently. And again, if they ACHIEVED those graphics 6 months ago, then they would have ACHIEVED those graphics now.

...but they didn't. And on top of that, they also didn't ACHIEVE 60 frames either.

And again, if the trailer was actually 60 frames, then how did the frame-rate get cut in half with a slight hit the to graphics as well?

I said, slight hit, not downgrade. The word downgrade is being tossed around entirely too cavalier nowadays on forums. Again, I said slight hit. The graphics aren't as high fidelity as the trailer and in my opinion, that's fine, I don't have a problem with the slight hit the graphics took, they still look great.

What I have a problem with, is you spinning this and calling people ignorant, when you in fact are telling people that a cutscene is meant to look different than gameplay. The transition from gameplay to cutscene, should be seamless, no degradation to the graphics since they're all the same. But again, they aren't.

Also, if the game can't match the trailer running at 30, how do you expect the 60 footage to look when we see it? And don't forget, same assets.

If for some reason, things look different, then we were lied to. And for you to call people ignorant based off of a lie a developer told us, then you are simply a shill, spinning exaggerations against the same gamers you're trying to insult.

[Abriael]

Nope. You obviously don't know what a target render is. It has a very precise definition, and I told you what it is, there really isn't much room for discussion here since you're using a false definition of a very precise development concept to support a false point.

You haven't in any shape or form been "lied to," you interpreted what you were said wrong, and that's entirely on you.

Yet, your ignorance on this specific subject goes beyond that.

"Secondly, your ridiculous spin on "it's a cut-scene" BS, is tiresome. ND themselves have been telling everyone that art assets are the same for gameplay and cut-scenes. Same models and all. "

You really need to study a bit more on how games are made, because you're way out of your league here.

Using the same assets between cutscenes and gameplay does not in any shape or form mean that they are gonna look the same.

It just means that the basic elements like textures and models are going to be the same, but there's a LOT more that can be built on top of assets, including lighting, shaders, effects, anti-aliasing and more, even while using the same assets.

Those elements are *major* factors in the final look of the visuals.

Since cutscenes normally dsplay less objects on screen on a much more tightly controlled visual environment, you can pile in a lot more of those because there's a lot of hardware power left compared to gameplay.

Again, this is basic game development 101, and you lack the most basic idea of what it is about.

The fact that you try to reduce the discussion to a numerical comparison between frame rates is entirely ridiculous.

It's a developer's call to decide whether its game requires 60 fps or it's better to use those resources in other things (like draw distance to make the world look bigger and more impressive for instance). It's not a downgrade or an upgrade. Simply a change where resources get shifted elsewhere.

I call it ignorance, because that's what it is. You're the perfect example, basing your opinion on points that fly in the face of the reality of game development.

You don't even know that assets are just a part of the picture, and definitely don't define by themselves how a game or a cutscene look. That's a hell of a gap in your reasoning, and fully invalidates it.

But that's normal. Some will understand, and learn, others ( many of which are just concern trolls) will get angry because their false concepts get debunked, or because they can't use ignorance as a tool anymore.

if you feel "insulted" by your lack of knowledge on a topic being called out, maybe you should just make an effort to learn about it instead of raging and insisting in perpetuating false concepts.

[andibandit]

@Abriel

you're really just splitting hairs now, trying to prove word for word that Sony this & that.
However you redefining the problem,
wont remove the problem... that alot of people are disappointed

[Outthink_The_Room]

@Abrieal

Hey stupid. Here's a developer explaining a target render.

http://blog.wolfire.com/200...

I'll quote it for you too dummy,

"Sometimes it is useful to make what is called a "target render". A target render shows what a screen shot from the final game would look like once it's done."

...You are so shockingly clueless about any of this stuff. And you're someone who has influence over what people read.

Your complete lack of knowledge about any of this stuff is embarrassing. And quite frankly, the fact you don't understand what you actually write about is not helpful to the gaming world, at all. Who is to believe some idiot writer who can't explain anything about the material being discussed?

Again, for the thousandth time. A target render is something they are AIMING FOR, because they believe it will be in the FINAL PRODUCT.

As of right now, that gameplay footage has not lived up to that trailer. It is what ND was targeting and has not hit. If they do hit the trailer graphics, then it's correct. If not, it was a target that they overshot for, selling us something they couldn't achieve.

Also, the rest of your post is so ridiculously off, it goes to show how little knowledge you actually have of basic rendering.

AA has nothing to do with models being different. That's post processing.

Effects such as color grading have nothing to do with models being different. That's post processing as well.

LIGHTING IS DIFFERENT....The fact you think you can simply light an object differently without repercussions is astonishing. And really goes to show how little you understand of what you write about.

If you shot a cutscene with specific lighting different than the real environment, but used the same model, you do realize it wouldn't look right...RIGHT?

See.....there are these things called light maps...and normal maps. You know...those things that have pre-calculated information baked into them? RIGHT?

And these maps.....are apparently the EXACT SAME......for gameplay and cutscenes.

Sooooooo, if either one of them are altered for cutscenes and/or gameplay, then the whole nonsense about "using the same models"....WOULD BE A LIE.

Do you understand yet, dummy? Lighting doesn't just work by itself. The only way to really change the look of a model based on lighting without ruining the entire system, is with a ray-trace type of approach.

The reason for that, is because you can then alter the amount of rays that are being shot in the scene, based on what's happening in the scene.

In other words, if the game has headroom (extra power available) it can then tell the system to shoot more rays and increase it's fidelity and accuracy of the lighting.

If the game is running and power is not available, then the game can simply shoot less rays at any given moment to reduce the power consumption and not drop frames due to performance issues.

And I highly doubt ND is using ray-tracing. Or path-tracing. Someone who tries to come across as being smart, SHOULD KNOW THIS.

You are the one writing the goddamn article. Telling people they're ignorant, when you, are so ridiculously stupid and incompetent about any of this, is hysterically tragic.

Get it together little man. Learn about the tech you write about. Don't try to spin this garbage and twist words to make yourself feel like you're right.

You. Are. Wrong.

[Rimeskeem]

So you didn't listen to the whole thing about the gaemplay being pre alpha footage and was not even running 3 weeks before.

[ziggurcat]

@trywizardo:

here's the thing:

you're comparing a *cutscene* with *gameplay* and calling it a downgrade.

if you are familiar at all with naughty dog, you'd have known that in the uncharted series, and TLoU, they used higher resolution character models during their cutscenes. those cutscenes, though, were all in-game/engine, and using assets from the game. none of them are pre-rendered CGI. the same thing applies to the initial UC4 reveal, and the latest gameplay footage.

here is an amazing analysis of the gameplay footage from last week:

https://www.youtube.com/wat... (don't know if it'll start you at 13 minutes, but if it does, just restart from the beginning)

[PersonMan]

But they are pre-rendered, meaning they're not running in real-time. The cutscenes in Uncharted games and The Last of Us show the cutscenes as videos while the next part of the game loads in the background.

[ziggurcat]

@persona:

no, they are most certainly not pre-rendered.

I've seen bugs (that aren't 100% consistent) during some their cutscenes, which means that they are not pre-rendered at all.

[beereal360]

It's a downgrade I thought it would look better but it's on the ps4 so what's else do you expect.

[CamBulls12]

Watch the damn video if you have time to spare. There was no downgrade https://www.youtube.com/wat...

[jwillj2k4]

To be fair I think everyone thought the cutscene was 'in game' footage when it came out. So do you want a peach or a plum? The final result still looks incredible. Find me anything else that compares with this level of quality at a similar price point. That includes PC. Go ahead, I'll wait....

[Gemmol]

They never said it was cutscene, why is you and others keep passing that around, there are people in here posting links to the actual words that ND wrote and they never said cutscene even the guy above this comment show the same words naughty dog use.....look at his comment

The fact is, the trailer assets do not match what we saw recently. And again, if they ACHIEVED those graphics 6 months ago, then they would have ACHIEVED those graphics now.

...but they didn't. And on top of that, they also didn't ACHIEVE 60 frames either.

And again, if the trailer was actually 60 frames, then how did the frame-rate get cut in half with a slight hit the to graphics as well?

I said, slight hit, not downgrade. The word downgrade is being tossed around entirely too cavalier nowadays on forums. Again, I said slight hit. The graphics aren't as high fidelity as the trailer and in my opinion, that's fine, I don't have a problem with the slight hit the graphics took, they still look great.Also, if the game can't match the trailer running at 30, how do you expect the 60 footage to look when we see it? And don't forget, same assets.

If for some reason, things look different, then we were lied to. And for you to call people ignorant based off of a lie a developer told us, then you are simply a shill, spinning exaggerations against the same gamers you're trying to insult.

PLEASE STOP CONFUSING PEOPLE TELLING PEOPLE IT WAS CUTSCENE WHEN ND SAID SOMETHING ELSE

[jwillj2k4]

@Gemmol

They did say cutscene. Its a cutscene using the game engine.

It not a lie. This comes from Naughty Dog, they directly reference the trailer. It is a 'cutscene' using the engine, that means no player interaction.

"Beginning with Uncharted 4, all Naughty Dog games will feature completely in engine, real time, 3D cutscenes"

http://gearnuke.com/pre-ren...

Think about it this way. If you know what the scope of something is (beginning and end) and it is immutable (doesn't change), you can optimize the experience utilizing all of the power of the engine. There is no interaction from the user to consider. They do not need to worry about draw distances, pre-loading textures, etc. that they do when you actually 'play' the game. Expect all of the 'cutscenes' to be at the level of the trailer, just know when you play the game there is a lot more processing that needs to occur. Thus, lowering the graphical quality to ensure the agreed upon frame-rate is consistent.

[quenomamen]

More blind hate than ignorance,

[Fizzler]

I'm sure the game will still be amazing but it HAS been downgraded from the E3 footage, that's just a straight out fact, the only people who are displaying ignorance are the people denying it...

http://i.imgur.com/mI23pH7....

[jznrpg]

The game isnt anywhere near done , so assuming that this downgrade is the final product is ___________. Also the e3 reveal was obviously a cutscene they didnt have this demo ready until a week or 2 ago and it was short .

[kenshiro100]

Can you seriously hear yourself?

THE GAME ISN'T FINISHED YET.

I cannot believe the state of gamers today. I really can't.

[Macdaddy71]

This writer of this thread has no room to talk, all press n writers been flaming every game that's has came out on next gen, if yawl would not write negative crap gamers would not fall in the trap!!! Just because your a fan of the game or Sony n someone downgrades it n you got upset don't mean we the gamers can't flame the game....that's all you news guys have done....
If you bring your kid up with nothing but negative thoughts, his whole life he will think bad about everything

[GameLover56]

It is a downgrade but still a game that will purchase when it releases 2016

[Vandamme21]

Upgrade or downgrade...I think uncharted 4 looks amazing...I cannot wait to play it...it's one of my most anticipated of 2015...along with Batman arkham knight, mgs5 the phantom pain and yakuza 5.

[OUROSMAG]

Watch the uncompressed video file, No downgrade at all. Watching video on youtube doesn't show what is really going on in terms of visuals. You can literally see beads of sweat on Drake's damn face.

[HeavenlySnipes]

Yeah

I downloaded the 2 gig file off gamersyde

Game looks freaking amazing

[Gemmol]

E3 footage probably look better downloaded too, but right now comparing youtube video vs youtube video we can see the downgrade.......the problem with sony fans they hate to see that word, like its the end of the world, I am sure the game will still be good and since they have a year left they can upgrade parts of their game, so be honest and not bias, we understand you like sony, and just like the sony people said it was in game the e3 footage, just like the alpha was, dont become like the sony fans on here switch sony words saying it is cutscene when Naughty Dog never said that

[PrinceOfAllSaiyans]

Xbox fanboys believe in what they want to believe and hear what they want to hear. Any sane person knows anything Naughty Dog puts out will be better than anything any MS studio could ever put out. Fact.

[DJustinUNCHAIND]

It's not ignorance if it's the truth. When Uncharted 4 was revealed, people were convinced that the footage was in-game, in-engine.

Now that the actual gameplay has been shown, the narrative has changed.

Don't get me wrong. I think the game looks fantastic. The game looks more open and less linear than previous entries. It looks more reliant on gameplay then scripted set-pieces, which are impressive at first, but lose their luster on multiple playthroughs.

[ziggurcat]

"When Uncharted 4 was revealed, people were convinced that the footage was in-game, in-engine."

because it was. in was an in-game, in-engine cutscene captured directly from a PS4. no one ever said it was gameplay.

"Now that the actual gameplay has been shown, the narrative has changed."

what narrative? you mean the one where people were completely amazed by the *pre-alpha* gameplay footage of a game that is more than a year away from being released? or the one where the usual detractors tried to downplay the (again) *pre-alpha* gameplay footage of a game that is more than a year away from being released?

[Big_Game_Hunters]

I'm just sitting here laughing at all the screencaps i took of comments swearing that the gameplay was going to look exactly like that cutscene. Now they say it was obviously a cutscene lol....The defensive wall these guys put up for their favorite companies is so thick you couldn't get through it with dynamite. I'm glad i can just enjoy the game without being in denial.

[solar]

im probably the biggest Valve fanboy on this site, but i call them out and dont sugarcoat shit if they fuck up. i do the same to Sony because i love the PS yet i have 2 bubbles because of the Sony extremists cant handle criticizism of Sony.

I love the Uncharted series, but the absolute defensive behavior of the fanboys of ND and Sony is mind blowing.

[Illusive_Man]

Halo 4 looked way better than uc3 so I'll say Halo 5 will look better than uc4.

[GameDev1]

Halo 5 doesnt even look close to The Order 1886

[Kavorklestein]

I don't know which will look better since I haven't seen any Halo 5 gfx yet.. but- In MY opinion,
The Order looks better than Uncharted , so what's your point?

[Majin-vegeta]

Lol Halo 4 couldnt even surpass a UC2 in the graphics department you know a game from 2009....Halo 5 isn't going to UC4 period.343 are amateur programmers when it comes to the likes of ND.

I think a lot of people need thier eyes checked big time.

[DigitalRaptor]

Wow. Only an Xbox fanboy could compare an FPS from 2012, and a third-person action adventure game from 2011, and then use that to make technical comparisons for 2 games in 2015.

That is just ridiculous man, ridiculous.

Anyway, I've heard from a couple of folks that Corinne Yu was the reason Halo 4 looks as good as it does, so now that she's working at Naughty Dog, wouldn't you expect Uncharted 4 to look better than Halo 5? Nah, you probably thought Halo 3: ODST looked better than Killzone 2, and that Ninety-Nine Nights II looked better than God of War III.

[Allsystemgamer]

In a halo fanboy and I massivly disagree with that statement.

[snookiegamer]

It Burns Salty fanboys, that Uncharted 4 Looks So Dang Awesome! It's not the only game getting hated on ...

Apparently SF V is crap and Mortal Kombat is so much better since SF V became PS4 Console Exclusive.

;/

[jukins]

We all know there's only one group/type of people that call this a downgrade and those are "gamers" who can only afford 1 system.

[Rimeskeem]

The amount of xbox fans on these articles is getting really freaking overwhelming.

[Silly gameAr]

Yeah, it's been bad for awhile. Anyway, I don't know how people can look at Uncharted 4 and claim that anything has been downgraded. Especially considering that what we saw is nothing compared to what we're going to see when the game is close to completion.

I can't wait, but let the haters hate.

[NBT91]

But it IS a downgrade. The E3 trailer looked better than the gameplay at PS Experience.

It certainly looks fantastic. I'd even go as far as saying it is the best looking console game yet. Its one of the first game I think of when I think of which games in 2015 I'm most looking forward to. I suppose my point is, downgraded or not, its still the best looking game on consoles, especially this current gen of consoles. And besides the graphics, the game will just be a brilliant game to play.

EDIT - Also let's not forget that there is still a good 10 months or so until this game is out (assuming it will be out around October / November 2015). The visuals are only going to possibly get better from here on.

[CernaML]

Visuals always look better at night with wet surfaces. Just look at Grand Theft Auto V. Average during the day, amazaballs at night in stormy weather.

Same applies to the U4 reveal and gameplay demo.

[MoreRPG]

"comparing the visuals of a cutscene to gameplay is completely devoid of logic"
This.

[Hibsboy85]

Dont get what this has to do with xbox so dont know why its being brought up the game looks great whats the problem thats the problem on here too many experts that think thay know it all

[EvilWay]

Especially since the first reveal was CGI

[Majin-vegeta]

At this point you guys aren't even trying anymore.

To answer your question..yea no it wasnt CGI

http://www.gameinformer.com...

[HeMan76]

For God sake of couse it is not a downgrade because E3 Trailer was "pre rendered CGI" while PSX Demo was real gameplay.On E3 trailer you could see hair one by one,the environment details,water,vegetation,light ing,physics %100 were CGI.

http://www.eurogamer.net/ar...

http://www.dsogaming.com/sc...

To be able to deny this,you need to be blind or something!

@MasterCornholio

The Order 1886 already downgraded and if you think The PS4 can render those assets used on U4 CGI Demo in real time and 1080p/60fps as they claimed once,there is only one thing I can tell you:Sweet Dreams.

[DigitalRaptor]

Get your head checked man.

Uncharted 4 reveal was in-engine footage, in real-time. It wasn't gameplay, but a real-time cinematic. Proof is here from genius lady: https://twitter.com/Corrinn...

And check out this modesty: https://twitter.com/Corrinn...
"Our trailer doesn't look good enough to be prerender CGI".

So it's 100% not CGI. You just want to believe it is, which is very strange.

This is elementary grade stuff. How can you not understand that cinematics and gameplay leave different hardware footprints to each other? The cinematics are not dynamic, not unpredictable and will always remain constant, so they can layer shaders and all kinds of polish on top of those scenes to make it look tremendous. The challenge is getting the gameplay to look as good as that, isn't it?

Additionally, the Uncharted 4 gameplay we saw at PSX was pre-alpha grade. Do you not understand the significance of pre-alpha? That means it's not final build quality by a long stretch. Whereas the cinematic from the reveal trailer is the kind of quality you would expect to see from a final build, which is probably why you mistook it for CGI. Don't blame you, lots of people thought it was. It's just a shame you are so behind the curve on that one.

So ultimately, I wonder who we should put our trust into… the person who worked with the graphics engine vs. HeMan76 the delusional, opportunist Xbox fanboy?

To be able to deny this, means using facts, rather than something you threw together in a fit of blind fanboy rage. I mean you are even twisting the facts about 1080p/60fps. Naughty Dog said they're AIMING for 60fps. Not that they will achieve it.
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And then we have "The Order: 1886 downgrade" talk, as if you have any proof to go along with that false statement. Put up… or shut up.

But you have nothing. You know the game wasn't downgraded. The latest footage (that you probably haven't watched because you have no interest in the game other than downplaying it), looks as good as the reveal footage that many believed was CGI. Download the direct-feed b-roll video and then weep some.

[Kavorklestein]

Oh shut up. Everyone- meaning: ALL WHO EVEN GIVE A DAMN- have seen enough to form our own opinions, thank you.

The difference is, who can accept other people's opinions?

Obviously not you.

[MasterCornholio]

@K

My opinion is that Yus has a lot more insight on developing the game than Heman does. I back this up with the fact that she works in the company producing the game. Heman on the other hand is just a random poster on N4G stating his opinion. We no proof who he really is or what he really does. Based on that I would choose to believe Yus word over anything that he says. Just like I choose to believe Phil Spencer over Mr. X.

@Raptor

"So ultimately, I wonder who we should put our trust into… the person who worked with the graphics engine vs. HeMan76 the delusional, opportunist Xbox fanboy?"

Out of the two I would pick Yu.

[DigitalRaptor]

@ Kavorklestein

Your comment would perhaps have an inkling on logic behind it, if I wasn't replying to an utter madman. HeMan76 wasn't expressing his opinion. He was flat out lying as he does to justify his purchase on a daily basis. Even if you believe it's "only his opinion", it's still a horribly misinformed opinion.

Why would you try and defend a liar?

[xKugo]

I'm not blind and I'm consciously denying what you're saying. I believe the only downgrade i can see, after watching the uncompressed version of the demo is the fact that it's 30fps and not 60fps. That would be it, in all honesty. Everything else, outside of the lighting and time of day are exactly the same. Considering that this game is still a year away and the fact that we're talking about Naughty Dog here must truly be horrifying for any Xbox fanboy to know that this game already looks THIS good. I know sometimes it's hard to come to terms with things you don't want to believe but this argument that the game was downgraded is just ridiculous. I seem to recall that people like you were crowing the EXACT SAME THINGS about both DriveClub and Infamous: Second Son and now you dare not even mention them in the same sentence with the word.

I don't understand why it's so hard for people to believe that the better system, purely in terms of specs, produces the best looking games. Honestly, it's not even close and deep down you know it. Every genre that both systems have, the PlayStation has the better looking game.

Sunset OverDrive(The comparison between it and Infamous: Second Son isn't even a debate)

Halo: MCC(Same thing between this and Killzone: Shadow Fall; I would be genuinely shocked if even Halo 5: Guardians best that game from a visual perspective)

Forza: Horizon and Forza 5(NO GAME released in the next 2 years will be able to beat DriveClub visually, it's simply the best looking racing game I've ever seen. I don't want to say that it will go down as best looking racing game for the generation, but I don't know what you could do from a visual standpoint that could possibly out-do it aside from being 60fps)

Killer Instinct(Both SFV and Guilty Gear Xrd: Sign best that game visually, with Guilty Gear boasting both 1080p and a rock solid 60fps, both things that Killer Instinct cannot match.)

It's much the same for all other games, with PS4 also having the better looking multiplats for 99.8% of games.

LOL @The Order: 1886 being downgraded. If that game is downgraded then I truly shudder to think what the original version looks like, especially when you see that this "downgraded" version is already considered the King of Next-Gen graphics.

[CernaML]

So much denial. Please... please dont start cutting yourself when both The Order and Uncharted 4 release and are proven to be the best looking games of 2015. What youre doing now is already extremely unhealthy.

[guyman]

Goddamit you've got to be either a fat troll or a massive retard to think that the Order 1886 was downgraded (there was actually a noticeable upgrade) are you jealous nothing on your plastic box is achieving the same fidelity?

My word there are so many fankids screaming: downgrade!! they need to get a life before they choke on massive crow. btw: what is displayed in the U4 demo is already far superior than anything else on all consoles from a technical perspective. keep it up ND.

[MasterCornholio]

I can see why some people are terrified especially after the meltdown that Infamous and Driveclub caused when it was proven that those games were not downgraded. Same will happen with Uncharted 4, The Order 1886 and No Mans Sky.

[ThePresentIsAgift]

I wonder why in the world anyone cares, the standard of graphics is so high now that almost every modern game to my eyes looks good technically, artistically or both. Go back and play Master System/Genesis SNES, PS1-the machines I grew up playing and tell me now that the graphics are not good enough.

Does nobody actually enjoy playing the games?

Plenty of art galleries around for those that like to stare at inanimate images in search of a deeper meaning. Almost every game historically from 2005 at least looked a little or alot better before release, unless you had a juicy PC to play on. Thank Photoshop and marketing for that.

[MaxwellBuddha]

People care because they're sick and tired of bullshots and fake trailers.

AAA publishers need to stop this bullshit and just show the damn game as it is, like Nintendo does.

[Meryl]

what you mean like the showcase for zelda on wii-u they did before and how now we all know the next zelda looks nothing like it.

[marioJP87]

Proof that the truth hurts.

[Ryuk_2007]

Lol whenever someone say anything bad about sony.. it's like a piece of Abriael soul gets ripped out of his body.

E3, ND revealed U4 and everyone wents crazy over it's graphics.
6 months later we see gameplay footage and it looks nothing like the reveal trailer.
Damage control reaches an all time high.

[HeisenbergX]

You're goddamn right it's ignorance!

[Tzuno]

Watch dogs trick again.

[Sy_Wolf]

It's not shameful, most people don't understand what "pre=alpha" means.

[Xavior_Reigns]

Or the fact that the E3 footage was at NIGHT while PSX was during the DAY... add that to ALPHA stage as well.

[PersonMan]

Developers need to stop releasing unfinished screenshots and videos.

[Bathyj]

So you should never see a game until its gone gold?

How about people just temper their expectations a bit and not act like they were sold 110% from the first cinematic they saw only to be all heartbroken and betrayed when they see gameplay.

[Vanfernal]

I don't think there's a downgrade perse. Uncharted always had the gameplay graphics and the cinematic graphics. What we saw in PSX was real-time gameplay. Pretty sure the cutscenes are gonna look like the reveal trailer.

[vakarian75]

Except didn't they say the E3 footage was real-time gameplay

[bigboss20]

This game demo was a early version of the game! The e3 trailer was a finished product that's why that looked better..they just wanted to get a gameplay demo out because everyone wanted to see it.. So this demo came with a couple of glitches and unfinished textures but this game still looked nothing short of amazing! And I'm pretty sure that in a years time this will look like the e3 demo 100% what we saw.so I can't see how its fair to judge the graphics at this stage in development! I can't wait to play this :D

[BeastBoxOne]

Uncharted 4 looks decent. Probably on par with a game like Quantum Break we'll just have to wait and see final versions.

[ReturnToSanity]

Lara Croft represent!!!

[Stenmark]

Game looks good but nothing we haven't seen already.

[Xavior_Reigns]

Definitely! Drake needs some lasers & jet-packs so he can run against stalactites. Also just for the hell of it, a mysterious piece of tech that lets him rewind time for every error occurred. Can't forget that necessary space level now too right?

/S

[bleedsoe9mm]

thats my thinking looks like a great looking uncharted game but nothing like that E3 video .

[Bathyj]

Sorry, wrong post

[lunatic0001]

By no means do I think its a downgrade because I never felt that e3 trailer was how the game was going to look like but what naughty dog was trying to aim for and IMO they came pretty close

[1nsomniac]

This continuous childish need to cover up for companies that you have absolutely no connection with or otherwise, is just embarrassing & you should be ashamed because it's easy to see who you are.

We consistently see bullshots & fake target renders with the sole purpose of promoting something that is undeliverable in order to gain pre-sales. That's simple fact, there is absolutely no denying it. Breaking it down to the very minimum without calling out specific devs, console makers or publishers if you don't agree or ignore it you're the only clear idiot here!

We are told that the age of the average gamer is increasing & is currently labelled as 30-34 year old. These people aren't stupid. They're grown adults that generally can't be manipulated & lied to like children. That is why the industry is getting torn up at the moment. Making games is no longer a hobby. It's big business run almost solely by corporations who have seen it's the biggest growing industry in the world & jumped on the bandwagon. These companies are purposely trying to extract every last penny that they can using any deceivable method they can while the adult gamers are coming out in force. Rightfully complaining that this isn't right, but then you've got to contend with the very vocal kids & intellectually challenged adults who also like to make loud noises about how people & companies that they have never & will never meet in their entire lives are the best thing that's ever happened to them & can do no wrong. People just need to think, that's all just think. When you think about things you see them for how they really are. If you carry on like sheep then you only encourage the situation & look at the state we are currently in all over the world in all kinds of different situations. Each & everyone created, contributed to & encouraged due to the sheep that walk among us. It's embarrassing!

[Enyxodin]

It is a downgrade if the graphics will not improve even if it is pre alpha from the demo! Yes u are right cutscenes usually have more detail than gameplay but ND has come forward and said that you will not loose any detail of the character at least when transitioning from cutscene to gameplay....like the order 1886! And that demo had a cutscene in the end and it didnt look as great as that trailer. There is a reason that everyone is calling everything a downgrade...because generally that is what happens...especially if you are looking at the direction of ubisoft :/

[vakarian75]

I don't see how it's ignorant if it's true it's not like they said the game looks bad just that it doesn't look as good as when it was previously shown.

[Subaruwrx]

Downgrade! Wtf! How can you call pre-alpha gameplay a downgrade when compared to an E3 trailer? People are getting paranoid because of what happened with Watch Dogs and other games. ND still has plenty of development time to upgrade UC4 gameplay.

[jhoward585]

The cut scene visual and the game play scene visual are using about the same hardware resource. Being that the cut scene visual are in real time. The cut scene visual have very little to no AI, collision detection, control mechanic, etc. In a cut scene the foreground are the more important part of telling a story to the viewer, unless there are things in the background that needs to be seen to the viewer to help them draw a conclusion to whats happening in the game/movie. so the devs will shift all of the hardware resources to the foreground and cover up the background with smoke/fog to block out objects that are taking up too much hardware resource.

Game play visual scene, everything has to be shown/implemented in a game(AI, collision detection, control mechanic, etc) because distance create a physiological willingness to move forward in the game/real world situation. If you can't see where you're going you'll get discouraged and give up. The devs are forced to put show the background and foreground, therefore the hardware resource would to be balanced out.

[MultiConsoleGamer]

Embarrassing and rather hostile damage control piece. Rather surprised about this.

[pelida]

Shame on you, you bloody ignorants!

[StrawberryDiesel420]

I'm still blown away by Uncharted 2 graphics and have no doubt this game will be ridiculous in every aspect from gameplay to graphics. Didn't this whole thing happen last gen with PS3 and haters ate crow real quick?

[pop-voxuli]

Stobx are just sour over the fact that the M$ nickel & dime money grab machine cant do GFX like the PS4!

[cruzngta]

No xb1 does better...Halo 5, quantum break say hello and wait till the new Gears is shown then we'll see just how capable ms and xb1 are. Fact.

[Ps4andxb1]

It's a downgrade.

It still looks amazing, but it's still a downgrade.

The truth is never ignorant. Quite the opposite.

[u-bEttA-rUn]

I've been on this site for many years and I've watched many debates discussions arguments points of view. And I've never seen till this day such a stupid argument we all know what Naughty Dog is capable of we all know with that trailer was we all know what the gameplay footage was and we all know that in the end there will be no other game like it visually story wise and gameplay. please just let this go we all know the truthand even if this is a downgrade is still going to be better then all the games on that other platform... so not only are you getting a supposedly downgraded game but this downgrade a game is going to be better than all the games on your system just think about that for a minute

[Ninver]

The humble pie is being served so hot to all the trolls and biased MS media from last gen they don't know what to do. Sony has them in panic mode and they've began to criticise all ps4 exclusives. It's only gonna get bitter from here on out.

[u-bEttA-rUn]

I think they need a taste of that kratos love they got last gen...

[u-bEttA-rUn]

OT.
I can't wait to see Gears of War... Hopefully its something worth fighting for because right now Xbox 1 is not lookin too good.

[DarXyde]

Let's be realistic here:

1. The visuals are not ugly. Far from it. It's still incredibly beautiful.

2. The E3 trailer may look different from the PSX trailer, but the article says exactly what I've been saying--the lighting and scale of the environment are totally different. It's very obvious that physics, AI, and draw distance to say a few things are much greater in this demo.

3. Pre-Alpha. Pre-effin'-Alpha. Let's wait until the game is closer to completion, eh? Just because the game looks as it does now (which is still nothing to complain about) doesn't mean it won't improve. Doesn't mean the frame rate will stay at 30 fps either. I think it goes without saying that Sony perhaps pressured Naughty Dog to show something. Why else would they demonstrate Pre-Alpha, a game in its most unflattering form?

4. Assuming it really has been downgraded for the final product, does it matter? The game still looks fantastic and runs solid at 30 fps now. Look at The Witcher 3: Wild Hunt. Visually downgraded, sure. Should you look forward to the game any less? If it runs better, no. Not at all. Naughty Dog is an incredibly talented studio--arguably one of the best in the industry--but they can only do what they can with hardware, even then they can only use it as much as they know how to.

Downgrades happen, but I'll hold my breath on a downgrade actually happening. I get that this is about being truthful and all, but let's wait until the game comes along, yeah? This is Naughty Dog's A-Team. The one that worked on Uncharted 2 and The Last of Us, arguably their best games last generation. Have faith. People just want berate this game and yet I don't know any other game this generation thus far that push hardware the way this does. Balance of crisp visuals (which could improve), solid frame rate (which could improve), and incredible draw distance.

[u-bEttA-rUn]

if uncharted was a game where the camera was right behind nates head the entire game then yes it would look like the e3 trailer but this is not that type of game so when you play it it will look different why because it's not that type of game...

but the e3 trailer did show what nate looks like when he's beat up dirty his face has been thrown in the mud and he's in the jungle under moonlight but the gameplay was it representative of that therefore the difference in character modelsbut I'm pretty sure once Nate gets his ass with a couple of times he will it like the e3 trailer and there you have it

[Drithe]

This game has always been overrated. And the hype for this game is stupid. The graphics are great, sure, but they are not the greatest . The gameplay? It is the same!!!

People are so tired of the Sony and Naughty Dog bots (aka employees) who come on here and hype this overhyped game up.

Finally, they are fighting back.

[MadMenX]

Its not actually but thanks for the insult article writer.

UC4 will be great, however; no one can deny, the first "in game" footage, was stunningly better.

[LightDiego]

A lot of experts nowadays on the internet, i bet the people who are complaining don't even have a PS4.
I can't wait to play another masterpiece from Naughty Dog.

[sxore]

>As a matter of fact, desiring visual parity between cutscenes and gameplay isn’t just pretty ignorant, but also self-defeatist.

You fucking wot?

[mediate-this]

This game is on a level on its own, nd keeps pushing the boundary. Only haters say its not better than its predecessor.

[jhoward585]

The U4 was down-graded, well sort of it seems. By judging by the visual in the E3 demo of U4 the visual are way better than visual in PSX U4 demo.

The difference between the two demos, the E3 U4 demo doesn't seem to have any graphical tricks to enhance its graphics. The psx U4 demo isn't really giving much to go on because most of the graphical features were turned off or wasn't finished.

What I think really happened with the e3 U4 demo was that the devs wanted to make a demo(with out any graphical tricks) that give them a visual goal to reach. Once they were satisfied with the visuals, they start building the actual game using graphical tricks to match the e3 demo.That said, I think ND are going to take a similar approach they did with TLOU development. The final product of the TLOU has lots of graphical tricks in order to save Ram/vram/etc.

Ex. A dev can use lighting to cast a shadow on an object or they can paint it in with the use diffuse texture maps to get the same visual effect which is less taxing on the gaming hardware. There more examples too many too list here. The thing is, on the e3 U4 demo is just a matter of turning on and off the visual effects which takes less time to do. Graphical tricks takes longer to achieve. You get the idea.

[Stoff]

It's still in pre-alpha stage. I'll think we will rather see an upgrade rather than a downgrade when the game finally releases. Brace yourself!

[masa2009]

I don't care much about this, but fact is the excuse used by this article (that the E3 footage was a cutscene) does not hold. At E3, they said it was in engine.

I also think that the final part of the most recent demo is prerendered and not in engine.

[terdroblade]

Yes, at E3 they said it was in engine, but they have never said that it was running on a PS4.

[DeusEx-Machina]

This 'downgrading' seems to be a thing these days. Can't remember it being a buzz word in the past really. Sure it's not in peoples heads?

In all seriousness. People are a bit over-sensible when it comes to pre-release footage. I know there has been a certain company or two that repeatedly stepped over the line, but c'mon guys.

Something similar for example happened to Xenoblade X when they showed the story trailer at this years E3 and we could see the characters faces up close for the first time. People were screaming 'downgrade!' all the way. Thing is, like it's predecessor, the game is simply designed around allowing extreme draw distances and therefore sacrifices close-up fidelity.

In a reversed way this is now happening to UC4 too, which is designed to feature extreme up-close detail.

The problem is, the people bitching about these sort of things are those that have no idea about what's behind it what so ever.

That's btw the same kind of people that are easily manipulated by our big games companies marketing departments and will buy every shit, for as long as they get to see some shiny pixels.

[Gemmol]

thats actual wrong about X, they talk about it somewhere cant remember, but what it said was with X the developers aim their graphics to look like an anime, that was their goal, when people first seen it the way their outfit look and everything in the surrounding people were expecting realistic human face, because the outfit look like something a realistic graphic game would look like, if you watch this video and see the different faces they show, and the different characters, like the male hero you can choose or female hero you will see the anime faces is actually well done......and it match with armor quite well even if the armor look realistic

https://www.youtube.com/wat...

watch around 5:30 this where they show female lead character,

at 6 min mark this is where you really respect his anime depiction for the game all the character faces look well done, like how it would look in the anime that be on TV in japan.....it got a old school art style, cant put my finger on which anime it is, but it look similar

if people do not see the anime style in this then they did not understand the developer idea for the game and they just wanted a realistic X game instead of anime

[DeusEx-Machina]

I wasn't referring to the complaints people had about the character design.

I'm talking about the close up low-res textures and geometry in some areas of the game.

[Max-Zorin]

Modern gaming community in a nutshell.

[Manubiggs]

Downgrade from what? To the best of my knowledge this is the only gameplay footage that has been shown

[cheameup]

This will get much worse before it gets better

[Razuel]

Not sure if a downgrade, but prefer the previous presentation.

[brando008]

It looks and plays incredible, which is awesome. Let's stop looking for visual problems where there are none. Graphics and other technical aspects in games will continue to improve over time.

[JMyers]

The game is a year away. If it wasn't for PSX we wouldn't have seen anything until E3. This game already looks remarkable, and will only improve upon release.

Can't wait!

[terdroblade]

ND NEVER said the e3 footage was on a PS4. In-engine? Yes. On a PS4? No. If you can find a source that states otherwise, the E3 demo was probably (99,99%) running on a PC.

[terdroblade]

Edit: If you CAN'T find...

[masa2009]

Since it's a PS4 exclusive, it's pretty disingenuous to demo the game based on top of the line PC specs then. It's never even going to be on PC.

[Amuro]

I don't know how some people dare to defend the indefensible. The downgrade it's clear to everyone but to the fanboys. No matter if it's gameplay or the cut-scene at the end of the demo, everything has been downgraded.

Even Digital Foundry agrees: http://www.eurogamer.net/ar...

And those guys know their stuff unlike the Dualshocker staff that are clearly talking about things that are beyond them.

[souga_houjou_jin]

uncharted will own both fail raider and the world nuff said

[spunkee311]

That game isn't out yet. Its way too ignorant to say its a downgrade. Even if it was, they have time to continue working on this game and give it some proper polish.

I'm excited for this game either way and I know it will look fantastic.

[dillhole]

So many comments towards games these days are a shameful display of ignorance. It seems to be the norm.

[lfc_4eva]

This game will look fantastic. There is no doubting that.

However ND only have themselves to blame. By showing a cutscene first, which we all know has higher quality assets involved, sets the bar really high. So high, that when they show some actual gameplay footage its going to look a little less fancy in comparison.

Then again, this practice is done by nearly all developers.

[ironmonkey]

The good thing at least is that as a die hard fan for the uncharted series, we ps4 owners, have nothing to worry about with ND their games have have been the of the best in the industry but if this was ubisoft id be worried. Very worried. This game will sell millions mark my words the fans will add this last epic series to the best collection of all time.

[D3athc3ll]

Huge downgrade!! End of Story!!

[scark92]

The E3 teaser we saw had different lighting so I cannot say it is downgraded since it would be plain ignorance! Regardless the graphics look fantastic and if I cared about just graphics I would just upgrade my PC!
I for one am excited about Uncharted 4! Gameplay at most! The Stealth feature is making this game much more appealing to me! :D

[allgamespc2012]

lol the fanboyism is strong in this one..best looking game ever? haha, not even close. the leap is not as big as it was last gen.

[PS4FEVER]

Downgrade my arse. Trailer takes place at night and you see alot of dark blue hues, which by the way uncharted 1 had a similar scenes in one of the environments, same blue hues and pretty looking dark foilage and shadows. The gameplay of uncharted 4 looked stunning with all that foilage.

[unicron7]

People who say this is a downgrade from the E3 reveal obviously haven't downloaded the 1080p uncompressed video of the footage. Holy smokes does it look good and it buttery smooth. Right on the same level of the reveal. Streams DO NOT do this gameplay demo justice. You have to download the video and see.

[Meryl]

Either way we need to stop being so obsessed with graphics, it's still better looking than anything on ps3, and is looking solid gameplay wise, afterall that is what counts. If U4 is anything like it's predecessors then we are in for a treat, end of.

[SpinalRemains138]

I don't understand where the downgrade is.

First they showed us a cinematic. In engine or not, it matters not. It is pre scripted and never changes. No one controls Nate or shoots enemies during those scenes.

Then they show actual game play, which still looks amazing. FOV is obviously much wider and you lose detail due to distance.

Where is the original game play that they showed which is miles better than what they've recently showed?

It doesn't exist. There was no downgrade at all.

[CuddlyREDRUM]

"Shameful display of ignorance"

Another amazing Dualshockers piece, either you love Sony first party and don't trust your eyes or you are ignorant.

[Shacojin]

An unfinished game is compared to other games already out.. makes sense... complete downgrade...

[Ma1nframe]

the ONLY and I mean ONLY people who are calling this a 'downgrade' are x BONE fan boys. ND and NOT Ubisoft. Nice try though, clowns.

[kino17]

just like the original trailer stated

" so what do you think?
Its a lot to take in kid, where do I even start"

[Primal]

It's pre-alpha, I've been gaming for 25 years and have kept a close eye on the industry for 15 years. It's obvious that Sony begged them to show their game at PSX so ND did their best too polish up some gameplay. When they show it again at E3 I guarantee it will look better. Then it will be an upward spiral in terms of polish and optimization just like Driveclub. It will probably release in November.

Yes the Order looks better but it's very close to release and it's more linear with less interaction, physics etc. Graphically, Halo 5 looks very underwhelming too, but again a year from release.

[Codewow]

I'll be one to admit that watching the gameplay, while the game looked beautiful. It did not impress me with what Sony was hyping. The clutter detail was great and the gameplay looks awesomely smooth, but the visuals were on par with what I expect from these consoles and nothing more.

[Paprika]

Imo, if the lighting was identical and Nathan was wet.... it'd look quite similar. Here, we see Nathan quite dry, in different lighting and in full motion gameplay. Cut scenes always look better, but as in game footage this actually looks very nice.