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Grand Theft Auto 5's misogyny is a problem its creators must finally address

Polygon:
"The doctrine of "if you don't like it, just don't buy it" is a useful defense for cynical purveyors of shoddy products. They would prefer that you move along and keep your opinions to yourself.

When used in video games, this cheap line usefully reduces the relationship between products and humans to a base financial transaction. The product has no meaning for those who do not consume it, or so we are supposed to believe.

Fans of the product can be relied upon to take up the same call. "Leave us alone to have our fun," they say. Don't look too closely.

So it's no surprise to see Take-Two trot out this old defense, when its Grand Theft Auto 5 (2013) is once again held up as a nasty example of misogynistic clichés."

Nyxus3420d ago

No, they 'must' not do anything. It's their choice, their freedom of expression, deal with it.

amnalehu3420d ago

So they should address what makes A GTA game, a GTA game? I agree Nyxus, they shouldn't do anything except keep making fun games.

GarrusVakarian3420d ago (Edited 3420d ago )

I love how people completely gloss over the fact that A) This game is a SANDBOX, you are encouraged to do *anything you want*, not any specific thing, or to kill any specific gender. And B) You kill WAY, WAY, WAY more men in this game than women.

There's a controversial torture scene involving a man. You kill hundreds of male police officers, and hundreds of male NPC's during the course of the game.

But yeah, the game is totally misogynous. /s

Mr Pumblechook3420d ago

It's time to ban Polygon for being anti-gamer.

Anthotis3420d ago (Edited 3420d ago )

It's time to do nothing of the sort.

We should be resting, recuperating, rearming and helping to strengthen the last bastion against anti-white propaganda and politcal correctness that is the gaming community.

Meanwhile, the SJW and feminist scum can stew in their own insidious filth, and deal with the fact that not every form of media can be bent to their disgusting will.

hay3420d ago

It's about time for "Ignore" option for source material on N4G. It's a waste of space showing such nonsense and those people are paid to write it.

guitarded773420d ago

Sounds like Sessler got a job ghost writing for Polygon. Anyone for putting restraints on a dev is off their rocker... the dev should be free to do as they please, and the market can decide if it's something they want. Some companies won't allow anything above an M rating on their platform... so devs keep that in mind when developing. I'm curious to know how far R* would go if they had those restraints removed... not added to.

JackBNimble3420d ago (Edited 3420d ago )

Maybe if the game was about picking up prostitutes and killing them then he may have a point , but GTA V is not about that. In fact the only mission that even involves a prostitute is an assassination mission where you kill the John and NOT the hooker.

These articles try to make it seem as if the focus of GTA V is all about killing prostitutes when in fact it has nothing to do with it at all.

Hey but if it's in movies or on T.V. then it's ok then ... right?

That-Guy3420d ago

Rate Story quality: WTF?. Like this website? No.

Dee_913420d ago (Edited 3420d ago )

woah woah wait a minute.My online character is a female and I do is kill males.. Am I misandrist?!?! I am a bully according to Colin Campbell.

"Fans of the product can be relied upon to take up the same call. "Leave us alone to have our fun," they say. Don't look too closely. "

No look closer you idots.

Heres an archive link to the site for my fellow gamers.
https://archive.today/NsCPz

As a male gamer I am offended by this article polygon.For your inaccurate portrayal of male gamers thought process while playing games polygon.You reinforce the portryal of gamers being only males and imbeciles.Also I am offended on behalf of Rockstar for your inaccurate portrayal of intentions.I am also offended on behalf of female gamers that disagree with your ideology and not properly portraying their opinion.

I love how in the picture it says opinion, it seems like polygon wants to distance its image from its "journalist".Too bad the owner of polygon have similar ideologies and only hire people with similar ideologies.. So basically its not Cambell oliver oil's opinion, its the site's opinion.. SHAME!

DeadIIIRed3419d ago

Can anyone explain why Polygon's rating is N/A? It seems a site like this would already have an established rating.

morganfell3419d ago

@DeadIIIRed,

The reason Polygon has a N/A rating is the people in charge of N4G have no interest in actually making that system function.

We have tried for years to get rid of sites such as vgchartz, a url that is a disservice to gamers on any platform... period. We have been promised changes that never materialized. "Soon the new system will be in place and visitors will have a bigger say in what articles make it to the main page."

A pipe dream.

A flight of fancy.

Fairies dancing above your bed.

Santa Claus.

A supermodel with brains.

A politician that cares about people.

A gaming website with written standards.

A Wonder Woman actress that actually looks strong enough to play the part.

A N4G rating system that functions

As long as people keep clicking not only the links but on the very N4G article itself, the owners will never do it engage such a system. Even then what good would it be?

I feel sorry for the mods that are forced to wrestle with a system that is actually broken. Or in reality not so broken since the owners are not concerned with serving gamers but garnering hits. In that regard the system functions in the exact manner in which it is designed to - generate revenue for the owners of N4G, not service the gaming community by ridding us of dishonest and undeserserving links that harm our hobby and our industry.

By this action, the N4G rating system is the proverbial act of climbing over your dead mother to get to your sister.

DragonKnight3419d ago

I wish I could say I'm surprised, but this is Polygon. The website that lowers scores based on a character being too sexual, the website that gave McIntosh the right to post the stupidest article ever written which was later made into a video.

No Polygon, Rockstar mustn't do anything. GTA is a video game. That means that the characters are fictional. They are not real people. Their lives do not have any impact on the real world, people do not treat real people any differently because of GTA. Contrary to what everyone at Polygon, and all the SJWs of the world think, people don't actually typically identify themselves with the characters they play in a game. Yes, that even includes games where they can create the character to represent themselves.

Disassociation is a skill most humans possess, unless they are an SJW and then they suffer from forms of dimentia that don't allow them to distinguish fiction from reality.

"The doctrine of "if you don't like it, just don't buy it" is a useful defense for cynical purveyors of shoddy products. They would prefer that you move along and keep your opinions to yourself."

Guess what, I haven't played a single GTA game that's ever been made. Not even once. Why? I have no interest to. Guess what else? I'm defending this product anyway. Why? Because it's not shoddy. Shoddy games don't break sales records every time they are released the way GTA does. The doctrine is definitely a way to tell people to shut up, but it's also a doctrine to actually help them find something they like.

Why would you subject yourself to something you don't like just so you can whine about it? That's a pathetic way to live and purchase products. It makes you sound like a sadist and also incredibly selfish and arrogant.

Your opinion on a product you obviously have never liked, and continue to not like, is sought by exactly 0 individuals. What reason would anyone have to listen to a person who continues to buy products they hate?

So when someone says "you're free to not buy a game you don't like" it's a multi-layered attempt to get you to shut up, to help you actually get something you WILL like, and to prevent you from thinking you have the right to prevent other people from enjoying something you don't enjoy.

And that's the problem with SJWs. They think everyone should hate what they hate and if you don't, then all you're going to hear is the whining. Fortunately, people exist in this world that can change even that to hilarious effect.

https://www.youtube.com/wat...

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Mankey3420d ago (Edited 3420d ago )

This is just getting boring, but I suppose I should expect no less from Loligon.

Ranma13420d ago (Edited 3420d ago )

Its a game.

If feminists want to address misogyny they have their priorities wrong.

They should go campaign against Saudi Arabia

SilentNegotiator3420d ago (Edited 3420d ago )

But they have the support of white knights and a society infiltrated by Frankfurt School neo-marxism in western countries.

Going after Saudi Arabia sounds too hard.

Blacktric3420d ago

They don't even have to do that. They could easily donate a portion of their income to women's shelters or even start one themselves.

But it'd require for them to actually get off their asses and do an actually productive job that'll benefit everyone. So it's easier for them to sit on their asses and complain about "straight white male privilege" on Tumblr.

SilentNegotiator3419d ago

Plus, they would have to go through ACTUAL misogyny if they went to Saudi Arabia.

Vegamyster3420d ago

I'm not a big GTA fan but of all the things to complain about it "misogyny" doesn't come to mind, it's not a game that your suppose to take seriously, it's full of satire.

Mr_cheese3420d ago (Edited 3420d ago )

I can't even click the bait.

The game is exceptional, creative and worth every penny. They are right, if you do not like it, you don't have to buy it.

Just like your article, I do not like it, I will not click it and continue to fund an already failing "journalism" site.

EDIT
I also vote down your website and article quality because I'm sick of it all.

isa_scout3420d ago

The funny thing is RockStar must be loving all the free publicity that the media keeps running with. There's no such thing as bad publicity, and most people already know that the GTA franchise is not for those that are easily offended. So what do these "journalists" hope to accomplish? I think it'd be awesome if you played as a female character killing a bunch of male characters and sleeping with prostitutes(men in thongs on the street would make my ribs split). My point is no one gives a shit what gender you play as in GTA because it's all about the gameplay and the crazy things you can do.
I remember people saying the Lion King was racist because there was only two African American parts in the movie....Seriously, it's a movie about Lions damn. People need to lay off the pipe or pass it my way because it must be a trippy ass world theyre living in.

donwel3419d ago

You know what isa? These gender zealots throwing a shit fit has probably given the games sales a boost. They just don't learn that every time they force one of these "controversies" they're just bringing more attention to the game.
Exactly the same thing happened with Dragons Crown

MysticStrummer3420d ago

I'd say of all game series, GTA is the one least in need of addressing this kind of thing and making changes. These games are genius level satire of american life and humans in general. Whoever wrote this needs to take a closer look at the real world to see what the game is making fun of.

Omnisonne3420d ago

Exactly this

GTAV is basically a big parody of the modern world, hell it even includes hypocritical social justice types like this dude

SouthClaw3420d ago

Freedom of choice and freedom of expression come to mind when I see tripe articles like this.

You have freedom of choice to choose to pick it up or walk on by. So use it.

Rockstar have freedom of expression to do whatever they like with the money in their bank account to make whatever game they like. Proven by Manhunt 2 after all the grief from 1 they chose to make a sequel.

The world is full of too much political correctness. People need to man up or put up.

BTW not clicking on this tripe to give them a hit on their website.

JsonHenry3420d ago (Edited 3420d ago )

I love how they completely write off the will of the consumer/people by saying that if you don't like it don't buy it is somehow not acceptable.

Be wary of these types. They're the ones that would happily subject you to a totalitarian form of government because they feel they know how to make better life choices for you than you do. They are the most seditious people you will ever meet on this planet. You mean nothing. Your opinions mean nothing. And your life should be theirs manage because you happen to enjoy a different form of comedy, video game, or life choices than they do.

mopground3419d ago

well the mother of 3rd wave feminism was a communist

ajax173420d ago (Edited 3420d ago )

I love how all the focus is on GTA V and not on similar games like Saints Row. The stuff one can do to women in SR is MUCH worse than anything in GTA

Off topic-- Damn, I'm giving out "Well Said" bubbles like candy!

UKmilitia3419d ago

my issue here is the fact that its a mature game and for 18+.
its the parents allowing there kids to play it that is the issue imo.
I dont like horrors or films like SAW because i think there sick,i would never say someobody else shouldnt be allowed to watct it.

end of day if u play a game thats killing people and u go out and kill someone,you was pretty fucked up in 1st place imo.

keep the kids away from any game thats over there age and let games be games.
I do have to admit though that the 1st person view does take some things to a different lvl on gta,the hooker video of gewtting something,going round to back of car and punching her,then reversing over her was a bit much but just take the hookers out because they are not needed imo.

Ghoul3419d ago

i wonder i polygon pays there female coworkers the same as theyre male coworkers ?

this "website" is embarrasing....

King-u-mad3419d ago

Articles like this show that there are truly stupid people in the world.

Highatus3419d ago

These websites need to stop telling people what they should do with their own money and pressing personal agendas on their readers.
It's good to have ones own opinion,however it doesn't need a soapbox to grandstand from everytime someone has one. It's easy to see the agenda of Polygon here.
Journalism is a joke and panders to a baseless cause nowadays.

r1sh123419d ago

its weird because people who write garbage like this, dont complain about films like 50 shades of grey.
Hypocrites

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Stallion3420d ago

Stop satirizing women in a satirical game that satirizes everyone equally it's muh-soggy-knee.

-Foxtrot3420d ago (Edited 3420d ago )

See this is where Anitas bullshit has gotten us and the fact corrupt sites jumping onto the "Gamers hate woman" bandwagon to defend her and Zoe Quin

This is what GamerGate is trying to prevent...yet you either had Anti GG people who were brainwashed into thinking it's something it's not or people who don't like GG simply because they are "sick of hearing about it"...sorry but as a Gamer it's your job to try and defend the freedom developers should be allowed when making a game because you'll be the same people who will complain if the GTA creators for example did tone down the next GTA because of this.

Oh and look at that Polygon, one of the biggest supporters of Anita and white knights to Zoe...how am I not surprised

Mankey3420d ago

I think you just hit the nail on the head FoxTrot.

Silver3603420d ago

You are so right!!! What happened to the BS they were spouting about not changing our games? Somehow they think that they are the majority of people that play games. Well guess what we are the majority of people that pay $60 for a game. And we like our games the way they are. Why do these people always feel that if they don't like something it must be wrong. They are like here let me fix this, now isn't that better. And the answer as usual is hell no!!! My tastes are not your tastes!!! Stay the F out of my games go make and play your own.

mixelon3420d ago

I just want to say I think this - and many other polygon articles are a load of crap. And that despite disagreeing with many of the posters about many things around here - I don't agree with Polygon on this one, lol.

Ergo - not brainwashed - folk just have different opinions. And sometimes they align with yours and other times they don't. :)

CaptainObvious8783420d ago

You know mixelon, I think if most anti GGers were like you we could actually have some kind of dialogue and maybe actually come to an agreement of some things :)

hazelamy3420d ago

i thought gg was about ethics.

not about stamping out any suggestion that there may be sexism, racism or homophobia in the industry.

silly me.
gotta keep those dirty sjws and white knights away from our games right?

wait, i meant your games, because being a woman i only play causal games, according to you, and therefore aren't a gamer, once again, according to you.
so therefore should have no say.
that was your point in that other article right?
you know the one that said 34 or 36 percent of gamers were adult women, that one.

anyway, for the record, i think this guy is wrong, the writer of the article i mean.
i don't think GTA V is overly misogynistic.
very male centric, but i don't really see hate for women there.

GTA doesn't portray the murder of prostitutes, if it happens, it's the players that are behind it, not rockstar.

the game never tells you to kill them, it never forces you to kill them, the cops get it much worse in GTA games.

i can't recall any missions in any of the gta games where you have to kill a woman, i haven't finished them all though.

if the writers of the games have the right to write what they want, why don't people who write about games have the same rights?

all the complaining about a blocklist of gg supporters, and people like you call for site like this to be banned, and even get their advertisers to pull out.

so they put out something the gamergaters didn't like so you got one company to stop doing business with them?

how is that different to what these campaigners did with gta?

though i believe they, like the writer of the article, were wrong in their claim that gta is inherently misogynistic.

-Foxtrot3420d ago (Edited 3420d ago )

Oh here we go...you're as bad as darkride66

Other article? Oh you mean where I said the gaming industry started out as a male thing and one or two people twisted it into saying that I "hate woman" and think they shouldn't be allowed in the industry despite the fact that I mentioned how even though it was targeted at the male audience it still had females back then who played games and even today.

Just because you point out how something is aimed towards one gender doesn't mean your sexist.

Gaming was introduced by mostly males, the games developed...mostly by men, the target audience at the time...men. What do you expect. Hell look at the games developed and even the console designs...nothing which would appeal to woman as at the time the targeted audience (males) cared more about the tec inside.

I never said there wasn't any females and they weren't allowed I just pointed out who it was originally aimed at before the mainstream. Like I said then it's like Football, it's for both genders as both can play it but it's always seen as a guys thing while things like hairdressing, nurses, primary school teachers, house cleaners or receptionists are seen as female orientated jobs...doesn't mean males don't do these jobs but they are mostly seen as a field dominated by woman

hazelamy3420d ago

and when you get reports that say half of gamers are women you dismiss then saying they just play casual games and don't count.

and i quote, you.

"Ever since the Wii brought in casual gamers we've seen a rise in female gamers but it doesn't mean they actually play the games hardcore gamers play

Yes they are games but in MY opinion you can't play on shit like them and call yourself a gamer. Not to mention a gamer is someone who is passionate about the industry, not someone who just plays on games to kill time or because they are bored. "

you're a hypocrite.

or are you, you never even bother with the claim that gg is about ethics, for you it's always about getting rid of feminists, or anybody who wants to make gaming more inclusive for that matter.

so i guess you're not really a hypocrite, are you the true face of gamergate?

JohnathanACE3420d ago (Edited 3420d ago )

@hazelamy

I think what Foxtrot is trying to say is that developers should not be forced to cater to a minority if they don't want to. There are many hardcore female gamers but the matter of the fact is most of them are casual and forcing feminist ideology into gaming will probably not get them interested in hardcore gaming. Don't forget that female aren't the only casuals out there. For example there are plenty of elder people men and women who enjoy a good game of Wii bowling or the occasional iPad game. Should they be considered hardcore gamers? No. Should the industry cater to them? No. Should they be stopped if they ever choose to start playing more hardcore and serious games? No. That was the point that Foxtrot was trying to make. Gaming is comprised mostly of young males so why wouldn't the industry focus mostly on them since it's their main audience? They are a business after all.

-Foxtrot3420d ago (Edited 3420d ago )

@hazelamy

"and when you get reports that say half of gamers are women you dismiss then saying they just play casual games and don't count."

Wow your really twisting it even more aren't you

The article was about "Adult Women now represent 36% of the total gaming population". Myself AND OTHERS pointed out how sites always seem to try and push this like it means something forcing diversity when they don't take into account the number of female gamers (and male gamers aswell) that play on actual games which say "I'm a gamer".

Playing Candy Crush, Farmville, Wii Fit, Kinect Sports, Cooking Mama, Angry Birds doesn't make you a gamer and that's what this poll failed to take into account. The same would be said for males aswell but the thing is like I've said before it happens more with females as they are the ones which have grown in audience (this the article), not males because like I said above males were the TARGET AUDIENCE of video game consoles years ago. Where do you think those lines like "Boys and their video game consoles" or "Geeks playing on their video games" come from....mostly off women not men.

"Ever since the Wii brought in casual gamers we've seen a rise in female gamers but it doesn't mean they actually play the games hardcore gamers play"

I'll stand by this, you could say the same for males but lets be honest you saw more females come into the gaming scene when many moons ago most women criticized games. AGAIN...not all females were like that, some played games but I even bet those actual girl gamers will tell you how they were probably called names off other girls at school or whatever for liking video games. It's happened.

Now that gaming is all the rage these days, linking into the fact the "geek" stereotype is now "cool" with people buying more retro t-shirts off 80s/90s Films and TV series, the big thick glasses and the obvious gaming merchandise more people feel the need to play video games just to fit into this now cool Geek stereotype, they feel like they have to and in my own personal experience I've seen more women then men do this despite the fact ages ago they wouldn't dare be caught doing any of that.

It's like Video Games went mainstream not because more people were interested in being actual gamers but because they feel they need to be as it links into a "now cool" trend. They think playing video games is a MUST requirement to have this "geek" look.

"Not to mention a gamer is someone who is passionate about the industry, not someone who just plays on games to kill time or because they are bored."

How am I a hypocrite for saying that...it's true

Gaming isn't just about playing on games, any idiot these days can buy a game and go "OH LOOK AT ME, LOOK AT ME, I JUST BOUGHT CALL OF DUTY AND HALO". If they don't know about the industry and don't seem to give a shit about it and know about key people but just playing on them because they are the most talk about games or the fact they need to kill time then I'm sorry but you are not a gamer

If I pick up a paint brush and lash out at a blank canvas does that mean I'm a artist like someone who has done art for years and knows about different paints and creative styles.....NOPE it doesn't.

Dee_913420d ago (Edited 3420d ago )

@hazelamy
"i thought gg was about ethics.

not about stamping out any suggestion that there may be sexism, racism or homophobia in the industry. "

The thing is we can't discuss the suggestion because when we disagree with it or counter it we are misogynist or sexist.This also isn't a "suggestion", its a downright accusation (like most feminist do), which is when ethics come into play.

"and when you get reports that say half of gamers are women you dismiss then saying they just play casual games and don't count."

I don't agree with foxtrot's wording,but if he means a casual gamer isn't the same a hardcore gamer I agree.Do you really feel a type of way when someone calls you a casual gamer? I have been gaming since the 90's and I consider myself a casual gamer..I play candy crush and angry birds, i've bout madden and nba live year after year (thats a casual gamer thing).. its nothing to be ashamed of.

"or are you, you never even bother with the claim that gg is about ethics, for you it's always about getting rid of feminists, or anybody who wants to make gaming more inclusive for that matter. "

Feminism is an aggressive ideology ( on the internet atleast),this article leaves no ground for counter argument.Once again this is where ethics come into play,and that is where GG come in.If it was about getting rid of feminist, gg would have feminist supporters..The thing with feminist is that they want to feel inclusive in everything... But the thing is you would be included if you simply have a passion for it.You can't shape the passion to your liking to be included.... maybe thats a bit too abstract.

"all the complaining about a blocklist of gg supporters, and people like you call for site like this to be banned, and even get their advertisers to pull out. "

Do you know why they are complaining about that blocklist? I take it you don't considering you are comparing that situation to his comment.I mean blacklisting people from potential jobs for ideologies to banning a site that doesn't do basic research ?

@Foxtrot

"Oh here we go...you're as bad as darkride66 "

I would have to disagree here lol

hazelamy3419d ago

oh right, women aren't playing because they're gamers, it's to be in with the "cool" kids?

so we're not gamers because we either play casual games or we're just faking it to look "cool"

no element of the "boys club" mentality there then.

and you can't discuss it?

have you seen the reaction on here when anything to do with gaming being more inclusive comes up?

whenever there's a gay character, a trans character or a developer says they want more female characters.

what's sex got to do with gaming they bleat, then comment how they'd like to shag the women in the 10 hottest women in gaming articles that's just below it.

they bleat about game writers having the freedom to write what they like then object when writers create gay or trans characters, or say they want more female characters.

they say if women want more games they should make then, then when they do they attack them for making games for women.

they say it's not a boys club, then when statistics say half of gamers are women they say they only play casual games and don't count.

and they call anybody who criticises gg a white knight, feminazi, sjw, liberal, and actually consider that a bad thing, or feminist, and once again consider that a bad thing, and that any site that dares to question gamergate should be banned and have all it's advertising revenue pulled, resulting in the loss of who knows how many jobs.

the one thing they almost never actually seem to talk about is actual ethics in journalism.

unless of course it's to talk about what a slut zoe quinn apparently is.
based on the testimony of her bitter ex.

Dee_913419d ago (Edited 3419d ago )

Your problem is you generalize way too much.I counted in foxtrot comments he said not all women at least 3 times, yet you keep saying women.Yes there are female gamers that pose as gamers that have been on record saying its a fad, same with hipsters pretending to be nerds but have no idea what star wars is.It happens, no need to defend it if it doesn't apply to you.

"and you can't discuss it?
"

We can discuss it among ourselves like we are doing now, but do you think the people who make these types of articles and the people who agree with them would be open for this discussion?

Your entire argument is an over generalization.You can't portray the actions of iindividuals as the action of all to try to point out some type of hypocrisy because every last one of us have our own opinions.A gamer saying he will shag a women has zero equivalence to another gamer saying he doesn't care about a gay character.Its a very immature way to argue a point.

I don't even want to waste my time replying to the rest of your comment because its clear you wont listen to any of it considering you just said the same thing you said in your first comments thats already been refuted.

@foxtrot you are right, she is just as bad as darkride66. No interest in learning exactly whats happening she just want to sling fud around.

JEECE3419d ago

@ hazelamy

When trying to present yourself as the reasonable person in a debate, who ostensibly objectively evaluates what the other side is saying, it probably doesn't help to say "they bleat" over and over, implying that those who don't agree with you are sheep. I'm pretty sure if -Foxtrot was saying that, you'd be calling him out on it.

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Dramacydal3419d ago

I think Anita and Zoe are the unfortunate scapegoats for your and GamerGate's misdirected anger at sites like Polygon, Kotaku, Giant Bomb, Destructoid and countless others. It's easier to attack two women instead of multiple, large, sponsored, "indie" BUSINESSES. You bring up ladies that have nothing to do with the subject, NOTHING, and ignore Polygon reviewed it 9.5/10. Ignore the GTA5 ads that conveniently ran during launch. Polygon promotes the game, regardless why, then hides behind an "editorial" to mask their hypocrisy.

And you rant about Anita Sarkeesian and Zoe Quinn. SMMFH.

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JoeMcCallister3420d ago (Edited 3420d ago )

No. Campbell states "My point is that this portrayal of them reinforces hard ideas about the worthlessness of prostitutes, in ways that are unique to this class of characters in the game."

I just don't subscribe to that theory in any respect.

ANY character in the game has the value that you assign to it - I could easily see the prostitutes as normal parts of the world, I don't know why they're in the field they are, but I imagine it wasn't an easy world that put them there. I've not picked up or killed a prostitute in the game because simply put, they've got their own problems, and I don't need to put any time toward them.

The game doesn't put weight behind "prostitutes are whores and worthless", you do, with your preconceptions and prejudices.

GTA does have work to do with female characters, but it doesn't promote misogyny, it promotes you impressing your story on the world. If you decide to kill all the women, that's on you.

Mr_cheese3420d ago

Ive put numerous hours into GTA5 and am yet to use the services of a prostitue, yet alone kill one. I tried to find one when the FPS came out, just for the "Crack" of course, but couldn't fine any hahaha

Anyway, my point is that prostitues are a tiny detail in a world full of exploration. People have their priorities back to front.

Fez3419d ago (Edited 3419d ago )

Great comment.

I don't see how are prostitutes portrayed as any more worthless than other NPCs in GTA. It seems that the writer is forcing his preconceptions onto prostitutes rather than treating them like any other character. This is perfectly normal since we all do it but you can't accuse the game of being misogynistic for your misogyny.
The writer should have focussed on primary or secondary female characters, which needs improved, if he wanted to go down this route.

In older GTAs, prostitutes were anything but worthless... they would actually increase your health above 100% so they could be very useful before tough missions.

There are two separate game mechanics at work here. The ability to kill people, and the ability to hire a prostitute. How the gamer combines these mechanics is up to them.
In older GTAs the money dropped after killing a prostitute never equalled how much you gave showing that from a development standpoint killing prostitutes was no different than killing anyone else. (I'm not sure whether the new games keep track of money each NPC has meaning it would be equal).

CerealKiller3420d ago

Can we stop posting these nonsense Polygon articles here? GTA V is a game about criminal males who go around robbing and killing other criminal males. I'm pretty sure every character you have to kill in the game are males, even the police officers are all men. Of course there are strip clubs and prostitutes in the game but that is a reflection of the real world. It's not that females are shown in a negative light in this game, but everyone and every part of society is shown in a negative light in this game. If there were no females in these games that would be sexist, if there are females that's sexist too. When someone or some publications are trying to push an agenda you simply can't win. Why isn't every movie that has women especially in a sexual context considered sexist and misoginistic? How about books like 50 shades of grey? Are strippers and prostitutes in real life sexist themselves? No, but lets target video games because of the large male audience and large male development base. This has nothing to do with video games, it is simply an attack on men in society by the far left in journalism.

realplayer823420d ago

The feminist agenda is everywhere. Good luck getting fair treatment in the court system if you are male and getting a divorce. Unless your ex is a crack addict with proof you wont get your kids because for some reason moms are more important thhan dads.

vega2753420d ago (Edited 3420d ago )

Even if you proved the mother was a crackhead. Who starved the kids by taking the money and buying drugs and video recorded it. You would still have to prove her mother was incapable of taking care of the kids or didn't want them before you would get them since the grandmother would be the next in line before you would be and let's not talk about taking the mother for any kind of child support since the courts will do everything in their power to talk you out of doing it.

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Killer2020UK13h ago

More interested in money than giving fans what they want. Such a shame

CrimsonWing6913h ago

With the amount of money they generated, I just don’t understand the scrubbing of this. It would’ve been fantastic for fans.

Profchaos12h ago

I really want to know who drove the decision to focus on multiplayer was it Rockstar or take two.

Because when online started taking off many of the studio leads began having falling outs and leading including a founder

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Ikr mfs that greedy it's ridiculous

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This makes me sad. Trevor was one of my favourite characters in gaming

Demetrius52m ago

One of the reason I believe once gta 6 release, most of us thoroughly play it, enjoy the world they crafted then after that no offline support, no dlc at all

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