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Why is Sony taking so long to roll out major PS4 system updates? Because of PS3 feedback...

Sony is deliberately taking its time rolling out new system updates for PS4 due to feedback it received during the PS3-era, the platform holder has explained.

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HaveSumNuts3462d ago (Edited 3462d ago )

Translation "You guys were always complaining about frequent updates on the PS3 so don't complain now......................... Bitch"

decrypt3462d ago (Edited 3462d ago )

In before Sony Defense Force(SDF):

Its because Sony is not a software company. Translation: Sony has no clue how to code for their own hardware (1 year post release and still no DLNA support, a feature they had previous gen lol).

Imagine if the next Iphone couldnt run facetime rofl and 1 year post release apple still had no clue how to get it running, what a disaster.

The Meerkat3462d ago

decrypt, you're getting disagrees but I agree with you.

I still have to turn off my PS4 and fire up my 7-8 year old 360 in order to watch movies from my PC.

It just seems WRONG!

Insomnia_843462d ago (Edited 3462d ago )

The PSVita and PS4 have done screenshots since day one. Meanwhile at Microsoft, the software company...

http://www.gamespot.com/art...

"It's a little more technically challenging than I thought," Phil Spencer admits."

What a disaster.

PSN has so much going on now that I find it amusing how Sony actually keeps all running. PS3, PS4, PSV, PSNow, the PS App. Updates for all of these systems and applications, and now with Share Play even more, just think about it, makes Xbox look noobish.

tlougotg3462d ago

If you were smart which im kind of wondering you would know that alot of the features they are holding back from us has to do more with thinking as a business ala no mp3 playback at launch due to them wanting to push music unlimited etc.... other updates we want they dont want because they dont want the Ps4 to be exploited, etc.....

You guys just kill me with the bs you spew looks like you have an offense force of your own. If you think they have no clue how to code for their hardware you really are lost. Funny the Ps4 had streaming since jump yet Xbone didnt what did that mean, isnt Xbone a software company? They are bringing shareplay something that Microsoft wont have lol and had mentioned a whimisical family play bs that was glorified demos, funny ps4 os is faster than xbones and uploads and downloads too oh wait Xbone is the software company right? lol FOH

decrypt3462d ago (Edited 3462d ago )

@Meerkat

Well yea its only in the console industry where fans willingly enjoy getting abused by corporations who wont give them the most basic of features.

They dont realise in defending their plastic box, they kill consumerism itself. Hell they shouldnt be putting up with this crap.

If something of the sort happened with some new PC hardware, PC fans wouldn't blindly defend it. Hell they would be up in arms. This is always why consolers always end up taking the shaft in the end, by loosing features or by paying for what was previously free lol.

@infamous

I am no Xbox fanboy infact i hope MS goes out of business :P "Sony not a software company" is a common defense point thrown around by sony fans.

Infamous2983462d ago (Edited 3462d ago )

"Its because Sony is not a software company"

LMFAO, another myth xbox fanboys believe haha. Sony have one of the most professional coders team in the industry called ICE team , besides , what's make you think that sony cant hire professional coders??

UltimateMaster3462d ago (Edited 3462d ago )

DNLA, are you still on about this?
Sure it's great, but it's not 2006 anymore.
We have a lot more devices that streams media.
Smart TVs now can mirror any smart phones.
Chromecast can display your PC on screen and it' around 30$.
I'm sure it's on the "to do list" of Sony, but these features are just dragging down the development of other new features like share play.
Anyone with a PS3 or Xbox 360 can do that perfectly fine, nobody is asking to get rid of them, I won't.
There's so many different options these days that "needing" it to be in a gaming console is a bit redundant.

rdgneoz33462d ago

"Imagine if the next Iphone couldnt run facetime rofl and 1 year post release apple still had no clue how to get it running, what a disaster."

Luckily the new iphone is able to bend to fit your pocket... Wish the older versions had that great feature for a device you just spent a few hundred on...

http://share.gifyoutube.com...

URNightmare3462d ago (Edited 3462d ago )

@The Meerkat

Wan to watch movies? No problem! Go to your PS4 browser and bookmark www.afdah.com and watch any movie in 1080p, except the ones that are still in movie theaters of course, which you can also find there but in bad quality. Just close the two windows that open(ads) when you press play and you're good to go.

Now you don't have to power up your PC and can save money on your electricity bill lol

You're welcome!

Funantic13462d ago

True plus MS has the money to pay more workers to code.

jhoward5853462d ago (Edited 3462d ago )

@decrypt

You 're right man. well, kind of on the right track though. Sony know how to code for certain things. MS on the other hand has combined software knowledge in many avenues. They have a clear understanding how the internet works.That said, they have a good understanding of HTTP of all internet protocols,disaster recovery of severs/data, security, etc. Sony doesn't even come to what MS can do. MS are expert software engineers. Plus, there masters of building a stable server topologies of all types. Sony can't even get DC servers up in time.

SniperControl3462d ago (Edited 3462d ago )

Dont get it, when ms first unveiled the x1, there was public outcry from xbox fans because it was more entertainment orientated than games orientated, you complained there was to much "T.V" talk and not enough about games.
Sony delivered what you wanted, they gave you a console that played games with none of that tv crap attached.

To me they are both games consoles on which i play games on(i own both by the way).

I bought a £50 HD media player for my dnla, music needs, it kicks the ps360 and x1 in the ass in terms of quality and ease of use.

ger23963462d ago

Has the "lack" of those features kept you from enjoying your ps4 for gaming? That's if you actually own one.

Saigon3462d ago

Look, I don't think they are taking long at all. People complained during the PS3 days because every once in a while a stability patch would release. Sometimes it seem to happen once a week. By Sony reducing this patch unless truly needed and focusing on the once a quarter system updates, I think played very well into their hands. I don't see why so many people are complaining.

I look at it like this, MS is trying its hardest to capture individuals to its machine; so if word -to-mouth is always stating MS provides massive features each month, eventually word-to-mouth will win. Its a great move for MS, but it can hurt them once the features start drying out. SO MS needs to be careful. And maybe Sony needs to provide 2 updates a quarter to feed the growing system owners. I don't know and I really do not care just as long as the system updates don't crash my system.

ikkokucrisis3462d ago

With so many other devices that now support DLNA (phones, media players, tvs) i don't feel like I absolutely need to have it for any of my consoles now.

Jaqen_Hghar3462d ago

Your facetime example is terrible. People didn't pay $400 to use DLNA. The correct equivalent would be PS4 not being able to play blurays or something essential. Whatever Sony didn't have would be made into a big deal by haters. That's the only reason DLNA, something that is not nearly as requested as other features they ARE rolling out, is being made a big deal of. If DLNA were in this update and something like background colors or Youtube weren't then that would be the big thing that is essential to a console and Sony should be embarrassed about apparently.

FarEastOrient3462d ago

@Funantic

Again ignoring that Micorosoft is laying off 12,500 people, in which programmers were included. At the same time this software company gave us products like Vista, ME, and 8. These aren't the only examples.

CryofSilence3461d ago (Edited 3461d ago )

If that's the case, what is Microsoft's excuse for their notable absences and shortcomings?

Utalkin2me3461d ago

Has nothing to do with software. Funny i have just played games and haven't thought about the lack of media and social stuff, maybe i am different then most.....Who knows

Kingthrash3603461d ago

+helpful bub for urnightmare
Site works great for ps4

ShinMaster3461d ago (Edited 3461d ago )

@ decrypt

That was just idiotic.

If Sony was able to add DLNA support on the PS3, which had a more complex architecture, they'll definitely be able to add it to the PS4. So having "no clue how to code for their own hardware" is a logic that fell flat on its face the moment you said "previous gen lol" and the fact that Microsoft(software company) still hasn't added a screenshot feature because it's too "challenging".

It's on the to-do list, but it's not of high priority.

BTW, DLNA is not a key advertised feature in the same way that Facetime is for iPhone.

mmcglasson3461d ago

@decrypt

Not a software company? That's funny how we have a full app dedicated to video editing gameplay that we have recorded. The team that designed Sony Vegas Pro assisted in the software developed for PS4. We also have much more gameplay focused updates than Microsoft has put out. Oh you can watch tv, you can snap applications that typically have nothing to do with gaming, and you can watch movies from your computer instead of playing games... awesome.

In a couple more days, I'm going to be able to remotely connect to a friends PS4 and help beat a level, or have someone remote to my ps4 and try my new game I just bought, etc.

Sony is a company that does a little bit of everything and does most things extremely well.

Athonline3461d ago (Edited 3461d ago )

As a software developer myself I can assure you from my network of friends, that Sony has software teams in the UK, Japan and US. They are doing everything from low-level C programming to high-end Java programming.

From what some colleagues of mine told me:
The problem with Sony in terms of software development is that they don't pay as good -not that MS or any of the big names pays much more- as other companies do and with the recent restructuring they are reorginising the teams, with people ending up with pile of work to do and others staying idle.
This is quite common in giant tech companies, even at MS it is done to a degree. Marketing/ senior management don't understand how important free software updates are nowadays that everything (expect the toasters) are connected to the internet. This was one of the reasons Nokia failed, this is the reason MS failed back in Windows Phone 7, etc etc.

Seriously nothing to do with the quality of work those engineers produce. Also note, that DLNA and those things are low priority compare to fixing OS defects, improving performance and then adding more game-related features.

@Insomnia_84: Actually the maintenance of the PSN isn't done by developers, but their IT guys (there is a difference) and the actual development of the PSN systems since the hacking ages ago, were partly outsourced to a company called Cigitel.

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Gazondaily3462d ago

Err no. The updates on PS3 were no where near as meaningful as these ones. They were annoying long drawn out maintenance or stability updates that didn't really add anything notable.

So please don't try and justify it ffs...

MajorGecko3462d ago

i dont see any updates tho?? my ps4 is till the same as it was when it released.

Gazondaily3462d ago

@Walter

Justify the delay of updates for the PS4 by equating them to the headaches associated with the PS3 updates.

Angeljuice3462d ago

PS3 was having too many small updates that did very little on their own.

For PS4, Sony has decided to hold these back and add them all in larger more meaningful updates that do many things at once.

Its what I wanted on PS3, so I'm not going to complain now that they're doing it with the PS4

donthate3462d ago

Exactly as Septic said, and based on the quotes it seems like Sony is completely clueless as to the reason why people didn't want frequent updates.

It is because of:

a) pointless updates labeled as "stability" with no features is annoying with notable changes

b) slow updates when you want to game (and at times it was very very slow)

Is that why PSN is being taken down for maintenance all the time, because Sony still don't know why?

With the latest consoles, updates are done in the background so for the most part it solves b), and if you release actual features like on Xbox One, then I don't see people complaining.

Just send me a free game Sony, cuz I just saved you a lot of angry customers and work! :D

pixelsword3462d ago (Edited 3462d ago )

Just realized what ffs meant...

:D

I wouldn't say they weren't meaningful, just not bundled with a new thing for gamers to play with.

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Software_Lover3462d ago

The majority of ps3 updates did nothing noticeable and too F'N AGES TO DOWNLOAD!!! That was the major complaint. The updates thus far for the Xbox One are done when I turn on my console. You will have no idea there was an update to it if the internet didn't tell you.

That is the difference. I hope this ps4 update goes well (since we're paying now) or it's gonna be more of the same.

CYCLEGAMER3462d ago

Totally agree with this...I love knowing that I dont have to wait for system updates to play my game....Its done while I am asleep or at work.

hankmoody3462d ago

As usual, the disagrees outweigh the agrees on the more sensible comments on N4G.

joab7773462d ago

Lol. Just be happy. The PS4 is amazing and gets so much better tomorrow.

Does everyone else's share button glow or is that new?

AiirJordann233462d ago

Love the way you put that lol. That was to funny

ramiuk13462d ago

it was nt the loads of updates,it was the size,how slow they downloaded and the amount of time it took to install them.
when its as streamlined as the ps4 updates i dontthinkj people would be bothered and prefer it like xb1 style

slasaru013462d ago (Edited 3462d ago )

The reason is PS4 is not designed for media functions as xbox one. They might have promised some but not in a hurry to implement. Every time they add a feature, they have to do a thorough testing how it will work, otherwise it will consume the graphics resources. Xbox one has a dedicated OS for the features and thus it's much safer.

So, there won't be many updates on ps4.

TheLordOfStuff3462d ago

Quick slasaru01, you might want to jump Off MS's d**k, make a new account and agree with yourself.

You and people like you are what is wrong with this community, go back to your mother's basement to bat off with a grilled cheese sandwich.

(I assume that's a thing with you people)

Rant over.
Flame suit on.

IGiveHugs2NakedWomen3462d ago

@decrypt

Why doesn't the PS4 support DLNA?

Sony is trying get people to order movies from the PlayStation Store and subscribe to music unlimited. It's simply a business decision.

decrypt3462d ago

Yet fans here will happily back Sony on this move, forgetting it is they themselves who are on the receiving end of the shaft lol.

Hell its because of the same spinelessness that got Xbox gamers to pay to go online and now Sony too.

Its the same attitude that got mods to be replaced by paid DLCs, the effect soon spilled over to PC gaming. Games with no Mods.

Beyond me how console gamers can be so oblivious to their rights being taken away, yet stay so ignorant on the situation lol.

Why o why3462d ago

You're basing your argument on peoples speculation. Dlna will come. As to our rights..... I hear that but we don't have to pay for that dlc which should of been free. Consoles by nature were always closed system. Ugc was flirted with by sony last gen with a few titles. Lets be slightly happy we have some progression instead of acting entitled like consoles are pcs when clearly they are not. Im pissed about paying to play online despite always being a plus member. People aren't ignorant to whats happening, they're just accepting the bad with the good.

IGiveHugs2NakedWomen3462d ago

Ummm, isn't the PS4 primarily used for games? I have a laptop and tablet for streaming and a MP3 player for music so DLNA isn't an issue. It's actually completely irrelevant to me. I'm not defending or supporting Sony with the DLNA thing simply because I didn't buy a PS4 to watch movies or to listen to music, I bought it to play games.

andibandit3462d ago

5 lines of text to more or less say "You're not interested in dlna".....

DanteVFenris6663461d ago

@decrypt most people like me don't even know what dlna is. So I'm guessing besides the vocal minority the rest of us will just watch from illegal sights on our laptops or iphones. I honestly don't know why if your in a situation where your ps4 or any gaming system is on why you'd want to put iN a movie instead of a game. Playing games are way funner then movies. Plus I always go physical. I like to feel I own it more. I only buy a movie digitally if I have no interest in the movie and have money to blow, if you have love for a series you will buy it physical. If not you don't like the series enough so does it really matter?

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Muzikguy3462d ago

Want to complain?... Have some nuts!

elninels3462d ago

They also probably don't want to brick our consoles.

Pogmathoin3461d ago

Insomnia84, can you watch movies on a screenshot?

ShinMaster3461d ago

The point is that something as simple as a screenshot is "technically challenging" for Microsoft, the software company, while Xbox fanboys complain about the lack of DLNA support on PS4.

And yes, you can watch movies on a PS4. DVDs, Blu-rays, streaming VOD.

DarkSniper3461d ago (Edited 3461d ago )

The reason why Sony is taking so long to provide a system update is because Sony simply does not have a clue to what they're doing anymore. This became very obvious when their competition has released at least 3 system software upgrades, compared to zero on the PS4.

Sony has done an excellent job in marketing the system, but unfortunately all of their money went to making the PS4 a popular console by senseless media and brainwashing. Because of this, Sony does not have any other financial capital to support the PS4. Which is the primary reason behind the massive delays on both games and software.

If you're a PlayStation 4 owner, the best thing you can do is actually buy the games that you say you're going to buy, instead of running simple lip service and not talking with your wallet.

$niper

Sly-Lupin3461d ago

No, we were complaining about frequent PS3 updates that didn't do anything. Did you know its still impossible to organize content in folders alphabetically on the PS3? Yikes.

Then there was the VitaOS which took months for basic functionality like folders, but its still a mess. I'd call it the worst post-Windows OS I'd ever seen if the PS4's OS wasn't somehow even worse. Did you know that any game cart you insert into a Vita creates an app icon that cannot be deleted without ALSO deleting its game's saved data? And that each page can only hold a finite number of icons and the UI itself can only support a finite number of pages?

And its not like this is some e inevitable problem. Sony manufactured it the same way they manufactured the ridiculous mess that is the PS4's UI: by lazily tring to emulate an iOS aesthetic.

The sad truth of the matter is that Sony seriously SUCKS at UI design. For all its problems, the XMB was (and let's be honest here) one of the most efficient and elegant non-window UIs ever designed.

I can only imagine Sony fired the smart folks who made it and replaced them with a half dozen slobbering chimpanzes.

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theXtReMe13462d ago (Edited 3462d ago )

I don't know why they feel the need to update in one big spot. I can understand people not wanting to update every week, but since the PS4 updates itself in the background, let users choose the time(via the system menu) they dont use the system and it will just be there when they wake up, come home from work, etc... work on one feature, then roll it out. Then work on the next feature and roll it out. Don't wait for one big update, just roll it out when it's ready. Like DLNA and Suspend/ Resume, Folders, Videos, External Storage, etc...

People just want what the PS3 already had, plus a few new features that were promised for launch. One at a time, til the most requested features are there, then listen for feedback and update to meet the needs of your customers. Thats all they can really do. People will bitch, no matter what you do... You just have to meet their needs, to the best of your ability, and let the cards fall where they may. If you constantly poll for customer feedback, you will find yourself spending more time trying to please them then actually fixing the issues. Because no matter how hard you try, you can never please everybody.

Fro_xoxo3462d ago

nawh. . frequent updates on PS3 were stability updates.. This is why people complained back then.

Major updates weren't frequent, we did a lot of waiting for those just like PS4 owners are doing now.

joab7773462d ago

Exactly. Compared to xbox, it didn't seem like the ps3 got a whole lot b/c it wasn't visual.

u4one3462d ago (Edited 3462d ago )

Bit of a difference in updates though. The ps3 was constantly updating for what I like to refer to as "invisible updates". Your system would spend what seemed like forever updating only for you to not notice anything different or see anything new - At least not very often. With the PS4, most of the updates have also been those "invisible" stability updates. There has only been one major update since the launch of the PS4 that actually added new functionality. The second one will be tomorrow. Meanwhile, the Xbox One has practically transformed into a different console since its launch. I'm not saying that makes it better or whatever you guys will spin my words into, but it is definitely something MS is excelling at now that they've gotten a swift kick in the pants by sales performance. The thing is too, even though the Xbox gets a fairly reasonable functionality update every month, they aren't invasive like PS3 updates are thanks to the consoles ability to update during non-use, standby times. Yes the PS4 does this too, which is even more of a reason it has no excuse to have more meaningful updates more often. In conclusion, its not a good enough reason.

KwietStorm_BLM3462d ago

And you still get more disagrees than agrees. This doesn't help, people. If you want anything you buy to improve, then just speak up and be honest. Stop with this complacent yes-man mentality, and stop praising everything they do, just because they did it. If you really love your system so much, then give them constructive criticism. Don't just take what's given to you and be done with it.

u4one3462d ago

Meh. What can we do. I try to be objective with both systems, but it seems the PS4 can have no shortcomings here and the X1 must have all of them. The reality is that both of them have flaws and having more updates (even while we sleep at night) isn't going to hurt anything. We shouldn't just be complacent because we pledged some superficial allegiance to a brand.

For what its worth, thanks, and I completely agree with what you said. I think these companies should have to fight for our hard earned money. We shouldn't be so eager to hand a huge mega corporation our money without much expectation in return or justifying a lack of support. People may disagree me some more but with all of the success the PS4 is having, its own software support feels unbalanced by comparison.

MrSwankSinatra3462d ago

PS3 updates largely were useless most of the time, that's why people complained about the frequent updating.

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