Destiny is suffering from the same problems that plague MMOs

GameZone's Matt Liebl: "I’m a level 28 Titan in Destiny. If I wanted to farm for materials I could probably push it to level 29. If I wanted to continuously run the Vault of Glass raid, I could get the armor required to hit level 30. The question is, why would I want to do that? What’s the incentive to reaching current max level?"

[mandf]

Destiny is not an mmo. Repeat massive multiplayer online. No where in the game do you play with a massive amount of people. Co-op fps is what it is. Journalists need to stop changing the meaning of words.

[Riggans42]

Read the article. He says, "Now Destiny isn’t an MMO, but it does have MMO elements." He's just saying it suffers from the same problems MMOs do.

[mandf]

Nowhere in destiny, does it have mmo elements and thus should not be compared as such.

[mikeslemonade]

Destiny is a 2nd-rate MMO.

[darren_poolies]

@mandf

Yes it does.

[user5575708]

the problem with MMO games

say you get to level 30 and then play for 60 hours. that means that you just played for 60 hours and you're at the exact same spot you were before.

the problem with destiny is that it focuses on co-op however you cant even chat with the people in game unless you invite them to party chat

[SixZeroFour]

it doesnt have mmo elements, it has rpg elements...know the difference

the only place in destiny where it comes close to being an mmo is at the tower and even then you cant even talk/text ppl (yet) and there isnt a "massive" amount of players allowed (only 16 at a time i think)

EDIT: let me elaborate, MMO stands for "massive multiplayer online" its any type of game that allows a lot of players to be playing at the same time. currently, most of those types of MMO are RPG, which stands for "role playing game" but MMO's are not limited to that genre. An example of a different type of MMO is MAG whice was a shooter

destiny is trying to be an RPG but not fully committing to the genre and is far from being an MMORPG, it allows you to join up with players for battles (raids and strikes), level up and equip gear and upgrade. where it doesnt fully live up to the MMORPG is that it is limited to 16 at the tower, 16 players in any map (i think) 6 players for raids or crucible, and 3 players for strikes and story.

it is far too limiting to be mmo and barely an rpg

[Maxor]

Being a 2nd rate MMO would be a HUGE improvement for Destiny. Right now as it stands, Destiny is the most contentless and poorly conceived MMO ever.

[MarkusMcNugen]

@SixZeroFour

You are on a gaming news aggregate... we all know what an MMO is. Destiny is a hybrid MMO. That's why it has MMO elements but not a true MMO experience.

"Despite being a persistent world game with MMO elements, both Bungie and Activision have stated that, unlike a typical MMO game, there will be no subscription fee for Destiny."

http://destiny.wikia.com/wi...

[Kidmyst]

I stopped playing Destiny for the same question, what's the purpose? Why level up? What does better gear and guns do for me, It doesn't unlock anything new, I've unlocked all areas. So many other games I could play that progress through a story. Maybe I'll play it a bit before November releases.

[mandf]

The game has been out a while and the word mmo shouldn't even be in the discussion. It has no mmo elements.

To the disagrees name an mmo element.

Reaching rank 30 with no content to get you there is just an incomplete game. Go ahead keep doing the same raid over and over again.

Swiggins and thekhurg

Borderlands had all the same stuff and much much more in the game but it wasn't compared as a mmo. Rpg elements, farming, limited raids don't make it mmo elements. A lot of games have this stuff but their not mmos. The stuff available now limit it from ever reaching a true mmo.

[Swiggins]

You're delusional if you think Destiny has NO MMO elements....

[thekhurg]

It has a lot of MMO elements. Just because it doesn't have high player count zones doesn't change the fact that the entire core gameplay experience revolves around the MMO design.

From daily quests (bounties), to faction reputation, to gear checks (light level), to dungeons (strikes), raids, etc...

[Perjoss]

Hate to break it to you, but in pretty much any mmo once you reach the level limit you just do the same raids over and over too.

[Maxor]

It's like Bungie set out to create a shooter MMO then failed spectacularly, the result is something they settled for, which ended up being Destiny.

[starrman1985]

Basically all the end end game content is MMO in style:

Public Events
Daily Quests
Weekly Raids/Strikes
Raid Gear

I'm inclined to think you've never actually played an MMO and are just posting on assumptions, which is fine but at least stress that!

[MarkusMcNugen]

Have fun arguing with people who made the Destiny wiki then. Expecially since their material is sourced directly from Bungie and Activision.

"Despite being a persistent world game with MMO elements, both Bungie and Activision have stated that, unlike a typical MMO game, there will be no subscription fee for Destiny."

http://destiny.wikia.com/wi...

[pompombrum]

Didn't Bungie claim it was an MMO though? Generally speaking leading up to launch, I was under the impression that it was supposed to be an MMO not to mention many of the games fans argued the MMO features when people claimed it wasn't one.

[mandf]

They backed off that claim but gamers clung to it.

[JeffGUNZ]

They stated they backed off the statement because they didn't want the MMO word to attach an idea of a subscription to play.

http://www.totalxbox.com/65...

The link confirms what I said above. They didn't want the traditional MMO words to be attached to this game but the game does have MMO elements.

[pompombrum]

It doesn't change the fact that many people were caught on their original claims of an MMO and many were still calling it one in alpha/beta. It's not really fair for them to advertise it as one initially then try and take it back once they realized it wasn't going to benefit them.

[speedforce131]

Bungie never said it was an MMO and they kept saying it wasn't an MMO however it welcomed any discussion.

http://www.gamespot.com/art...

[Bansai]

Destiny sucks

[Exies7]

Care to elaborate?

[Death]

Destiny sucks all my free time away. :(

[jagermaster619]

Destiny does suck when is everyone going to stop talking about this dried up turd which I am revering to as Destiny lol damn that game is such a failure get over that stupid game! #bungieisdone

[objdadon]

It sucks so bad that I've put over 250 hours into it now! More than I've put into a game in a long long time!

[user81673]

read 3 words and reply?

[HaydenJameSmith]

@mandf
"Nowhere in destiny, does it have MMO elements"

Really ?

Raids, Dungeons (Strikes), Loot System, emotes (dancing, pointing waving), Tiers of gear (common, legendary, exotic), PvP, Open World, Social Area/town (Tower), Vendors, Special currency (marks), Inspecting Players, Classes and Races... etc. I could go on and on.

Sure sounds a lot like an MMO to me, its a Story Driven FPS, an MMO and a competitive MP all in one package. That's what it is trying to do (as much as possible) but it fails to succeed at any of them. Its a jack of all trades but master of none. Its a fun game but incomplete and I will not be buying a sequel unless there is some drastic changes... will be waiting for review this time.

[mandf]

everything you listed are in other games that aren't remotely classified as an mmo. Diablo, Borderlands, every fps out has some of these elements but none are seen as an mmo. Why does destiny get treated differently? Raids and strikes are very limited and the basic story ends at around level 20. Little bits and peices are the very reason it's not classified as an mmo.

[vikingland1]

Agree & well said. But you are waisting your time explaining that to such close minded people.

[Oschino1907]

Many of the things you named are RPG elements and everything else is done on a much larger scale in a true MMOFPS/RPG. It's not open world either, how many definitions are we changing here?

By the definition many of you are giving a MMO we might as well rewrite the definition and include dozens of other games that don't consider themselves MMOs.

I have Destiny, I don't think it's MMO or open world. Has things that remind me of those kinds of games but it isn't either by a long shot.

[HaydenJameSmith]

@Oschino1907
Yes many of the things are RPG elemnts because most MMOs are RPGMMOs... It is open world but feels very linear, I will give you that but by definition it is technically open world. Not changing definitions at all and yes there is other games that share these elements but none that puts most of them together.

The only thing that is discernible from Destiny to the usual standards of MMOs we've been used to is the Scale, between the story, how many areas are explorable and how many people you can have in said area... that's it. It is unconventional MMO but still is one none the less, that is all.

@Gamer9
Agreed...

[gamer9]

Who made mandf the MMO Police? We’ll compare whatever games we want. Also Hayden completely answered your question with several examples and you continue to argue and go back and change your original questions. Get your crap together before posting.

[Flamingweazel]

@MANDF...where are the BORDERLANDS emotes, RAIDS, end game gear, weekly grinding for materials? Not a single shooter on the market has raids, MMo like gameplay, destiny has many MMO aspects. Diabo also has MMO ellements so your arguments make no sense.

[Kleptic]

why is everyone fighting about this?

MMO means massively multiplayer online...

RPG means role playing game...

Nearly all "mmo's", at least relative to this discussion, are actually "mmorpg's"...

Diablo has 'mmo' elements?...absolutely none whatsoever...it is an RPG...MMORPG's have absorbed a lot of things directly from that franchise, so for the most part its the other way around... (even though the first MMO was developed in 1991, before Diablo)...

Unless you have huge player numbers, on the fly developer changes to a transitioning and adaptive 'universe', by nature of which is sustained through a subscription service of some sort, etc...you don't have ANY MMO features...

RPG features...destiny has tons of them...but when most say MMO they're talking about whats actually a mash up of two types of genres...the RPG side is what Destiny, and borderlands for that matter, borrowed from...the MMO side is no where to be found...

the mmo part means lots of players...the rpg part means an emphasis on persistence (xp, unlocks/loot, abilities, etc.)...if you say Destiny has mmo stuff because of co-op raids and grinding...then literally almost any modern online game is an 'mmo' also...why not BF4?...it takes hundreds of hours to unlock all equipment and ablities for all classes, and has MORE players at any given time?...so whats the difference?...only that it doesn't have co-op?...so then what about assignments and missions, that do have co-op emphasis?...people are needlessly blending game meanings for no reason...

[ThanatosDMC]

Lol... even Bungie stated that Destiny isnt an MMO. Foolishness.

[MarkusMcNugen]

Does everyone on here not know the definition of the MMO genre? Does MMO literally mean there has to be hundreds or thousands of players interacting with the same world?

Short answer. No.

The most basic definition of an MMO is a persistent game world shared by multiple interactive players.

If we are going to put an artificial limit on the number of players that constitutes the genre, then the first MMOs apparently aren't MMOs at all according to you guys.

http://www.wikiwand.com/en/...

Am I seriously the only person in this little comment thread that cared to look it up without just assuming MMO means shit tons of players?

[Kleptic]

^no, you're just one of the few that looked it up, and also cherry picked small details...

again...by your logic...any multiplayer game is then a MMO...a persistent game world shared by interactive players?...whats the difference then between Destiny and CoD?...who on earth every said CoD is an MMO...but it fits your description?...Devs patch changes in regularly, balance things, add new content, etc...there is the persistence to the 'game world'...players 'interact with each other' in either a competitive or co-op mechanic...etc, etc, etc,...

seriously...the only reason this MMO part of Destiny hung on is that it fell well short of most people's expectations...both consumer wise and critically...people are grasping for catch phrases to desperately find things that it does differently than other multiplayer games...its a co-op multiplayer shooter with RPG elements...

and sure, it has MMO elements too...just as many as every single modern multiplayer game released in the past 5 years...

[lemoncake]

Aye it is an online game but not an mmo, just because it has rpg elements and your character is stored on a server doesn't make it an mmo.

[MarkusMcNugen]

You are correct, it doesn't. It's the persistent world shared by online players that makes it an MMO.

[Blasphemy]

by your definition that would make every game an mmo.

[Grap]

Destiny is a broken mmo end of story.

[HaydenJameSmith]

@mandf
"Little bits and peices are the very reason it's not classified as an mmo."

So little bits a pieces are enough to not classify it as an MMO but lots of other elements aren't enough to classify it as an MMO...

Just cause its a much smaller scale than the usual MMO doesn't make it not a MMO, It is bad compared to the usual standards of PC MMOs I will give you that. But it shares enough similarities that in most people minds it would be classed as such. I have played plenty of MMOs and while Destiny is not a conventional MMO it is still one none the less.

Yes Borderlands is similar in the sense but it is just trying to be a RPG with co op really, same with Diablo 3 an Online RPG... there much more story driven too than Destiny, which seems underwhelming and incomplete as far as Story goes. Defiance was a console MMO, with basic story, lots of fetch quests and completely underwhelming PvP and Raids plus very small explorable area... It was still an MMO none the less. Defiance just had the higher player count, thats about it... Destiny is an MMO, a bad one I will give you that but its still fun to play. I just wish it was a better game and delivered on the promises of Bungie:

https://www.youtube.com/wat...

"All playable terrain they said"...

@OSchino1907

"So basically because it doesn't have a Massive number of Multiplayer players Online together, doesn't mean it's not an MMO. SMH face palm."

Thats not what I said, I was just saying what Defiance had compared to Destiny and yes exactly the player count isn't really what makes a Sci fi MMO or RPGMMO or whatever you want to call it. Quite frankly dunno how u can think Destiny isn't a MMO when you know Defiance is a MMO. Your not even giving reasons why it isn't just disagreeing with everything I say, which doesn't make you right. Anyway chill out, I was just explaining why it is regarded as an MMO to most people as well as myself... Chill out.

[Oschino1907]

So basically because it doesn't have a Massive number of Multiplayer players Online together, doesn't mean it's not an MMO. SMH face palm.

Sorry but Defiance is way more of an MMO in every facet. You clearly barely touched it or never played past the beta. Not saying it was the best game but it had a whole lot more going on in terms of it being a MMO.

[KrisButtar]

I disagree Destiny is a MMO just because you don't need to play with or even see a massive amount of people for it to still be a MMO as the game is still supporting a large numbers. There are still a massive amount of people online playing multiplayer.

"A massively multiplayer online game (also called MMO and MMOG) is a multiplayer video game which is capable of supporting large numbers of players simultaneously. By necessity, they are played on the Internet."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wik...

[caseh]

Sorry dude, you've taken that wiki quote out of context. By that definition, every single game that has online capabilities is effectively an MMO as there are most likely a large number of people playing a game online at any time.

[Kleptic]

yeah this thread is blowing my mind...

its like 2 people saying 'come watch us throw a ball and hit it with a bat'...then people who show up saying 'I'm watching a baseball game'...?

calling destiny an MMO undermines the VERY DEFINITION OF WHAT AN MMO IS

its an online co-op FPS with RPG elements...NOT MMO elements...most MMO's are actually MMORPG's, but they get the MMO tag because they HAVE a lot of players in a given server, or 'world'...

if you call Destiny an MMO...then you better be calling literally any modern multiplayer game an MMO also...

[KrisButtar]

Guys MMO is a very broad term and that is the point, its not a MMORPG like WoW or ESO which a lot of people associate the term with. If the game doesn't have a single player aspect or offline gameplay I call it a MMO. The Crew, The Division, Destiny, Defiance, ESO, WoW, FF14 are all MMOs just a couple are MMORPGs.

Destiny is just a MMOFPS with RPGs elements. I'm not sure how people can say a the game has MMO elements because the only thing to make a MMO is the "massively multiplayer online." Most seem to think that MMO = MMORPG which is not true as MMO is a general term and MMORPG is specific.

[Kleptic]

^again...that is fine and great...

but you're saying any multiplayer game is then an MMO...right?

there are multiplayer games (probably 90% of all games released have some form of multiplayer anymore)...

then there are MASSIVE multiplayer games...they're not one in the same...and Destiny has NONE of the massive part...it just a multiplayer game...withe RPG elements layered into its persistence...

[KrisButtar]

"then there are MASSIVE multiplayer games...they're not one in the same...and Destiny has NONE of the massive part...it just a multiplayer game...withe RPG elements layered into its persistence... "

Not any multiplayer. Yes most games have multiplayer and that doesn't make them a MMO because they have offline play and they do not have persistent worlds.

I do not see see no difference in the "massive multiplayer" in ESO, FF14, or Destiny. 2 of the 3 are more traditional MMORPGs where as Destiny is more of a MMOFPS with some RPG elements.

[CorndogBurglar]

Destiny has tons of MMO elements. Strikes, Raids, playing with a group of people, the grinding, a hub area where players can meet.

It looks like you have the wrong idea of what MMO's are. In MMO's you aren't technically playing with a massive amount of people either. In every MMO i've played you can stilk onky have a limited number of players in your party, usually 3-6.

However, there are plenty of moments in Destiny, like teaming up with random players during a patrol when an Event happens. Thats very similar to other MMO's like City of Heroes.

Even those games you mentioned, while not being MMO's, they do have MMO ELEMENTS, which is exactly what your statement said Destiny has none of.

So just admit that your statement was wrong. I agree, I wouldn't consider Destiny an MMO, but to say it has no elements of an MMO is ludicrous.

[BallsEye]

I've played my fair share of MMO's. Me, my wife and some friends got to level 30 in Destiny and got extremely bored. So then I thought...let's try this Elder Scrolls Online on PC, it had pretty crappy scores but I love ES series and hey, it gonna come to consoles. Man I am so blown away. I've played them all but the amount of content, detail, overal work put in ESO is mindblowing. Literally best MMO I've ever played (the only MMO that feels as good as single player game when it comes to quest, lore, graphics and gameplay quality). Why am I writing this? It made me wonder what the F was bungiee doing for all of those years of development (first hint in of development Halo ODST in 2009!) and with all of that money especially the 500mil from Ativision. Whole destiny is not even as big and detailed as one of plenty regions in ESO. I really tried to like destiny and I'm a huge bungiee fan but they just screwed up this time.

[Blasphemy]

the $500 million was for the marketing and developing of the 3 destiny games and expansions over the next 10 years.

[NerdStalker]

You spelled activision wrong

[BlackWolf12]

This guy is NOT a journalist, he is a blogger.

Being a journalist requires you to have actually studied journalism. Writing a fee articles for a random website does not make you one.

[Automatic79]

I gave up on destiny. Multiplayer is weak just like story.

Note game is fun with friends but just to repitative.

[TheSaint]

This, really good laugh with mates, not so much otherwise, hurry up and release GTA.

[harrisk954]

@mandf

Are you sure you have played the same Destiny as the rest of us??

[slivery]

I laugh so hard every time you people try to claim what Bungie has, do you even know what MMO means? RPG aspects have nothing to do with an MMO or what it is.

By the exact definition of what an MMO is, Destiny is an MMO. So get over it already.

You don't have to play with every person in the damn game for it to be an MMO. What is more stupid is you literally just said it yourself, an MMO is a massively multiplayer online game. A MMO is determined by the number of people who can play the game online at the same time, not the amount of people you play with in a party.

"A massively multiplayer online game is a multiplayer video game which is capable of supporting large numbers of players simultaneously."

Does Destiny not do this? Sure looks exactly like an MMO to me.

People really should learn what these acronyms even mean, MMO does not stand for a certain type of game play, any game can be an MMO as long as it supports a large amount of players to be on at the same time, in the same place. Being an FPS doesn't change that and there are plenty of MMO's that are FPS too, just like Destiny.

The only elements to an MMO, are the amount of players in the same game world. So even the person who wrote this article, clearly has no idea what MMO means either.

Nor does Bungie apparently because it wouldn't matter if the game was called MMO, it is one by definition. It was moronic of them to even try to differentiate their game or morph the definition of MMO into something negative, when there are no negative connotations associated with what it actually means, only ones people make up.

[TheSaint]

Even the title says, Destiny is suffering from the same problems as an MMO, it doesn't say it's an MMO, learn to comprehend.

[RedstonerMC]

@sixzerofour It has rpg elements because it's not completely real. Every game that you play any role has role playing elements... It has mmo elements too.

[ManAnimalX]

@mandf @SixZeroFour

10000% agree with you both....

Destiny IS NOT and bears NO RESEMBLANCE to an MMO.

It has online multiplayer and SOME RPG Elements.....that's it.

And so the Author is ignorant along with tons of I'm sure Destiny d__ cough! riders..

I personally think Destiny sucks, it's a borderline "free to play" game, but you also gotta pay for the single player story. Wtf?!.

Yea folks, pay for story line that's absent from the game, along with all the other DLC'S that YOU will have to pay MORE $$$ for.

by the time your done being nickled and dime
you will have spent hundreds of dollars on this game.....no thanks bungie, thanks for showing your TRUE COLORS though. ..I know what yr about...that $$$, not the gamer.

[ChronoJoe]

It really depends. Massive is really depending on your interpretation. For instance the original Guild Wars was always considered an MMO.

This is because they employ a technique known as instancing. So the location is generated for each group of players entering that area, rather than everyone sharing the same space. This technically keeps player counts low, but these games are still classified as MMOs.

In this case its really dependent on the developers portrayal I suppose. NCSoft Openly brandish their game as an MMO, but Bungie are reluctant to use the label. Despite both games not technically featuring a 'massive' number of players in any of the gameplay segments.

Possible confusion comes from the use of the word 'massive'. If we slip back in time, anything over 20 players was a huge amount to have in a game at any one time. Now people seem to reserve the term for large games, featuring 256 or more players in any one, individual instance.

Either way, whether it's an MMO or not, arguing semantics is a waste of time. Destiny objectively shares many traits of games traditionally associated to MMos, so the comparison makes sense.

[MegaSackman]

I have felt what this guy says, the next step is not playing anymore.

[Death]

I have a level 27 Hunter and a level 23 Warlock. The game is set up to make you play all three classes to make the best use of all the gear drops. If you hit the level cap and have all the exotic gear, playing is pointless with the character unless you want to bank material/coins for future content. Even if I hit the max level before new content is released, I play to hang out with my friends more than I play to max everything out.

[JeffGUNZ]

This. I just enjoy playing the game. I like doing the daily heroic, a few bounties, and some material farming to get my gear to increase. I only play like 1-2 hours a day max to keep it fresh.

[MegaSackman]

I agree with you, i've played the game for 100hs or so and that was my main objective, have fun with my friends.

Is just that i'm bored of the game, but i'm not complaining i never play more time than that on a game.

[Nodoze]

Destiny is just about done. A couple more software releases and it's player base will diminish even further. By dec when the proposed DLC will release it will be interesting to see how many are still playing.

Not many I suspect.

[Exies7]

Eh, you'd be surprised. There will probably still be plenty of people playing, but I highly doubt it will be the numbers it's at now.

A solid amount most likely, and each expansion will probably boost its player base but a lot of players have left or seem to be leaving because Destiny really doesn't do anything unique per se. At least not for now. And the world itself is rather shallow and not very fun to explore.

[Automatic79]

@Nodoze

You are right Sunset Overdrive, COD, Halo MCC, FarCry 4 and I still play Titanfall which will make me drop destiny quick. This game is going back to get Credit.

[SmokingMonkey]

I like the game, surprised to see so much hate?!

I am one of the ones who would constantly be logged off and it was driving me nuts!

Must have NAT 1 in order for my internet to handle it without the constant log off's, I plugged my modem straight into the PS4 and played just fine yesterday!

[JeffGUNZ]

I think a lot of people are playing it TOO much TOO fast. I am a level 27 hunter and I have my exotic helmet close to maxed out and all my armor (legendary) as far as it goes till ascendant shards are needed. To me, no point wasting ascendant shards when that gear won't get me to 30. Save it for the raid gear.

My schedule is pretty sweet with the game. I get home from work and I play the daily heroic mission on level 28 to get 2 ascendant materials every day (which only appears to be energy for me, rarely do I get the shards). Then I complete bounties for a little while. Lastly, I will do material farming for my gear/weapons or weekly heroic strike with my buddy. I recently got the Tolands Exotic Bounty which I have been working on the 25 strikes. So, the game can remain fun and fresh as long as you don't put in 6-10 hours a day like some people are. I average about 1-2 hours a day.

I am in no rush to get to 30, because like the author says, then what? I like working for something and I should be on par to getting to level 30 well after DLC drops and adds some new content.

[Blasphemy]

You shouldn't have to intentionally limit yourself from playing a game so that you will still enjoy it in the future especially when Bungie claimed it was an MMO.

[JeffGUNZ]

I mean people are over killing it. This applies to everything in life. If all you do is just one thing for most of the time, that thing loses its spark. My time with the game is limited by my personal life; work, family, etc. I have seen some people say they have already put in 100-200 hours within a month of launch. That's a lot of time. Too much of a good thing isn't necessarily good.

[Blasphemy]

i agree with you there. people do get bored of looking at and doing the same things, thats why these companies are constantly doing redesigns of their websites so often.

[Nilla_Nate]

Destiny is way too grindy. It feels like the developers don't want you to reach level 30. Having to earn ascendant and energy shards by doing the same missions over and over made me lose interest.

[DanSolo]

{Sorry about the wall of text, I just kind of started writing and rambled on a bit}

I like some parts of Destiny, it could be a reallly amazingly good game but it falls way short of that.

The reality is with Destiny is that it is just a DLC Delivery System.
It lacks content because they just want to milk the customer again and again with DLC.

The thing is, the gameplay mechanics in Destiny are great, it is solid and addictive gameplay, and the graphics are great too, which is why so many people keep going back to it, myself included... for a few weeks I kept logging on every day as I would be in the mood to play, but when I got on it was a struggle to find anything to do as I had already done almost everything repeatedly.

The reality is the game is very short and can be completed easily in just a few days, and then it is purely about doing the same missions again and again and again and again.... trying to get loot, but for what real reason?

Even the events such as Queen's Wrath and Iron Banner are just exactly the same stuff as we have already played but merely presented in a slightly different light.

If the story was amazing the game would still be too short but you would be able to see where they had spent their time on the game, but the story is almost non-existent and to call it a story is laughable.

People talk about it is normal to grind in an mmo (and I use the term mmo loosely of course), but even in a game like Guild Wars or WoW, you cannot complete the game and everything in it within a week..... it takes a long time.... and the grind is just ONE of the things you do in it, usually to get cool stuff to use in other parts of the game. Now no-one with any common sense would expect Destiny to be as large as GW or WoW, as it is not the same thing, but they are aiming for something similar and yet the game is remarkably short and conspicuously empty of content.

Destiny is a bit like a gorgeous model with no brains and a crap personality... you keep going back as she looks good and you can't help yourself to pop round when you fancy a bit.... but soon after you realise that she is an idiot and make your excuses and leave.... until the next time she asks you to pop round for a go and then you forget the dumb vacant expression in her eyes and the stupid shit that she says.... you are too busy thinking of the great rack on it and are heading to see her.

I think Destiny was a wasted opportunity and such a shame as it could have been a truly awesome game. I think the DLC will be very underwhelming and most likely only be around 5 new story missions, a few strikes and a raid or two, a few more maps for crucible and a few weapons... not enough to justify £20 and certainly not enough to transform the game into what it could have been.... that said I will wait and see what the DLC holds.. you never know.

[Unspoken]

I was able to beat GW2 in the same amount of time I completed Destiny. Granted there was much more fluff in GW2, crafting etc to fill up the time, but the main story line and all the dungeons were done in a matter of weeks with one character.

Games have been in DLC mode for the past few years. Nothing has changed. Most single players games that are not RPG's have less game play time than Destiny.

What Destiny needs to do now is release free content to match games like GW2 in there buy to play model.

[Tex117]

I have warmed up to this game a lot since release.

At first, the sting of it not being Mass Effect, Borderlands, and Halo all wrapped up into one game, stung.

Now, teaming up with two friends to tackle the nightfall, weekly and the raid is a ton of fun.

You can hit a nice rythmn with the game if you only play it a little bit a day. Do the bounties and the daily....level up your weapons. then put it down.

[DaNineTwo]

The PvP in Destiny is like an evolution of Halo. Better IMO.

[Jubez187]

If you beat the hardest fight in the game, then no, there's no reason to play really. This is not different in normal MMOs. But with those, you can at least unsub for a bit and come back when content is released (which isn't that long). Once I do VoG I'm trading in Destiny because that's really all there is to do.

MMO's and the like CAN be completed, contrary to popular opinion.

[Surt]

Game is not a pure mmo. But it does share elements to one. No other FPS has raids. Nor farming. Now before the ADD kids cry themselves over it, and before we get Destiny is just grinding.. LOL

How long does it take to get full gear in raids in most MMO? Exactly. sit down. Now about diablo.. 3months to get that sword you want. Again sit down.

New content arrives in DEC. The majority would or should have gotten to LV30 by then. Which is great since guess what? Another raid in there. And that should last till next expansion. Before you say "Down below has ONLY.."

This game is not big already, and how many hours you put in already? Smart bastards bungie is. "players are leaving" they didn't get the memo since Destiny LFG site crashed cause of traffic yesterday.

[taijutsu363]

Anybody raiding add me on ps4? level 28 Titan cuz I seriously need people to raid with I got like none!

[ZoroGamer]

Dude yea me and my friend need help

Ps4: ifrazxbmx

[kevnb]

they acted like it was an mmo, and it seems like it was supposed to be an mmo... but something happened along the way...

[Drithe]

Destiny is the greatest fps of all time. Period!

[Retard]

It has max polish, lacks depth after the black garden. No one wants to grind endlessly on a "non-mmo" game, because that is exactly what MMOs are... the never ending grind.

[redrum0171]

I play it because it is fun. I like the game play. Yes it nice toget better gear and reach a higher level, but that isn't why I play Destiny or any other game. I'm married with 2 children, full time job, mortgage, etc.... I game every night to relax and have fun. So ranking up, which is nice realy isn't the reason of why I play.

[theFAYEsorceress]

it doesn't help that bungie made the higher level stuff invite only. like, why would you take away matchmaking from a game that's heavily reliant on its online aspect? VoG, heroic and nightfall events should all be matchmaking enabled. bad choice by bungie.

[arbitor365]

if you judge it by MMO standards it would be utterly atrocious. the economy is non existent, the level of content is severely lacking (especially if you were to compare it to an MMO) and the loot system is incredibly flawed. and it doesnt have nearly the diversity and divergent paths that MMOs typically have. the world of destiny just feels empty.

[urwifeminder]

Wonder If I will get it at all now was going to get it when a gaming lull hits next year , by the sounds of it no one will be playing.

[Stapleface]

Don't take the 20 or 30 people's opinions here on n4g or the rest of the gaming sights to seriously. For one, they are mostly the same people, jumping from site to site commenting. For two, as bad as they claim it is, they still can't get Destiny out of their heads because it's mostly the same people commenting on Destiny articles all the time. It's a good game. It didn't live up to the hype that people created for it, but that's their fault for expecting things Bungie never promised. Like ship combat, never promised but was expected. All the planets available, was expected, was never promised. Things like this. People disappoint themselves when they buy games and they don't find the game they created in their heads inside.

[sp0tlessmind]

Well said!

[AKS]

What is the point of progressing towards level 30? The point is to be able to play the most challenging content, currently Vault of Glass on Hard, which is also where you can find much of the best loot in the game. Is it difficult to understand why people into Destiny would be attracted in the most challenging content and best gear? Seems obvious enough to me.

[teo72]

Destiny may not be an MMO, it is in fact an Allways online shooter. It does, as said many times before, have many elements from the classic MMO's. That said, I have stopped playing it. Destiny is IMHO a very barebone AOS, with not nearly enough variation. Same bosses over, and over again. It just gets tedious after a while, but that's only my opinion. But I have to admit. Destiny was very addictive while I played it, maybe even too addictive...

[Pathogenic]

On one hand you have people claiming it's an mmo. On the other hand you have people saying that it's not an mmo. So why is that? Simple. Everyone has their own opinion. But is that opinion correct? Who knows. But I can tell you this much. I have over 300hrs logged in Destiny. I spent a lot of time on my Titan character. I never created a new character because too behonest, in mmo's or rpg's I only play as one
charcter all the time. Personal choice I always say.

After playing it for so long I realized a few things. Here's what I gathered from the game.

-It's not a massively massive online game in any terms.
-It has FPS based objectives, not rpg.
-Gaming Community is mixed between mmo and fps gamers
-PVP arena is generic. Present in mmo's and in fps multiplayer games.
-Raids are tailered to provide best available gear and guns. This is mmo based.
-Gear, guns and materials collected outside of raids is not specific to the mmo genre. This element was founded in rpg games in the early days before the mmo universe begun.
-Bungie doesn't want to change the environment and setting. Instead they want to
expandon the planets. In mmo's they either change the environment and setting or they create a new place entirely. Bungie went a different route.

At the end of the day you need to look at this in a whole new way. The approach Bungie took was to change the way we play games. They created something new and innovative and nobody seems to understand it. But this is what I came up with that might help.

-Create a new abbreviation. Instead of calling it mmo or rpg. Call it this. MCORPG
(Massively Cooperative Online Role-playing Game), I believe this term is the right fitting for this game. First off. It keeps the vision of Destiny to be "massive" alive. So one day it can live up to that letter and meaning.

Secondly. It showcases a revolution in gaming. A new way to play games. Soon other developers will want adopt this abbreviation to use on their projects. No longer will they be separated by those generic abbreviations. Just look at "The Division" It's trying be innovative. It has most of what Destiny is. The abbreviation fits.

Thirdly. You can support this ambitious project by Bungie by using this hashtag #MCORPG. It's time to innovate and it's time for a new genre. Let's create history.

[g-nome]

Almost 28 , still enjoying it , so i'll keep playing.

[Stapleface]

28-29 depending on my armor set. 3 different exotic armors I run depending on the situation. Still fun. I don't play as much as I did upon release. But that is no different than any other game a month later for me. Now it's a mix of Diablo and Destiny getting my play time until Dragons Age and Pokemon release next month.

[ATi_Elite]

Yep very true Destiny is experiencing the same bugs and problems as any other mom except Destiny isn't a MASSIVE MULTUPLAYER mmorpg and after a few hours it's boring and repetitive.

It needs to be massive player therefore you get all the wonderful elements of are these players friend or foe like any PC MMORPG-fps.

[Diesel888]

Well what is the point of playing video games in general. You buy a game, you enjoy it and then move on. You hit level 30, you can wait for Bungie to release more content, raise the cap and keep playing. Whats the point of playing COD, Halo besides passing time, playing with friends and getting some entertainment. You pay for the entertainment and then you move on. This game is not supposed to answer your purpose in life. As with all other games and MMOs, there is not light in the end of the tunnel. You enjoy the trip for the money you paid or wasted and that's it....

[Condemnedman]

This game bores me.

[Spenok]

Apparently someone thinks you're lying. Are you SURE you don't enjoy the game? xD

[Condemnedman]

Yep still is pretty boring to me lol

[lnfiniteLoop]

problem with destiny is you can only have a fireteam of 3 and that sucks... it needs the ability to team up with more players in a squad...

[Stapleface]

So the people complaining about it being repetitive..What game isn't? What game do you not do the same thing over and over again? TLOU, your either playing the same story or the same MP maps over and over again. Same with COD, Battlefield, etc. Final Fantasy, once your max level, and have beaten that game, whats next? Grind some more, that's what. Have you beated GTA5? Guess what you have to do now? The same things you were doing during the missions but at your own leisure. Steal a car, rob a store, shoot some people, repeat. If you want to break it down, once you have beaten MOST games, that's it, nothing but repeating what you have done before if you want to continue playing. Unless it's an actual MMO, this is the case for your favorite game.

[r3f1cul]

for me it was how quick i finished all those things in an rpg game, and how little of it there was to actually finish... im not a big pvp guy in destiny (i'll stick to bf4, cod, and halo for my fix there) so maybe if i played that more it would have lasted longer... but my biggest thing was how little there was to do to begin with in that style of game :/

[khellendros1]

It's funny how people complain about no content after putting 50+ hours in a game. I'm 70 hrs in. If they don't release any more content I feel like I've got my money worth. There are plenty of games that I've paid $60 for and I haven't put 30 hrs into.

[DevilishSix]

Well Matt, the point is you need to be a higher level to run the raid in the upcoming dlc. They are increasing the level cap to 32. If you are not interested in that then there is nothing more for you to do. Sell your copy or trade it in......noone cares especially about whiney journalists or article creators, whatever....people have there own problems.

[Sneakybudda]

I just play it for fun and if i get bored of watching t.v ( on my xbox) but am a level 26 i do want to progress further but its to hard and slow to level up. Its not really an MMO is it? its just RPG with multiplayer and aliens thats it really.

[mmj]

There is already talk about new level caps and armour/weapons in the next expansion so don't waste 200hrs making your character into a Ferrari, because with each new expansion they will downgrade you to a Ford and you'll have to start all over again.