Has the Xbox One Been Misunderstood This Whole Time

As a gamer, one can’t help but feel sorry for Microsoft’s Xbox One. It’s a console with tremendous potential, great graphics and some killer titles to boot… But has the Xbox One been misunderstood since it launched back in November of 2013?

[Bennibop]

Was never the console that bothered people it was Microsofts anti consumer policies that were trying to shaft us all!

[DJustinUNCHAIND]

And they changed all that.

So now what?

[98xpresent]

I have no idea

[xHeavYx]

Now they need to regain people's trust, and that's gonna take a long time with all the backpedaling they had to do. They also need to find a way for the One to match the PS4 when it comes to 1080p

[Godmars290]

Stigma. Loss of trust. MS's not going to get what they lost just because they or fans want it back.

Nevermind that for mistakes made, they didn't understand that they had been made.

[Christopher]

The only reason they changed it is because their console didn't sell.

So now what?

Well, I go with the company that catered to me the most from the get-go rather than the company that only changed their harsh policies when they were down and had nowhere else to go.

[gangsta_red]

Most of you were never going to go with the company, so why even bother pretending that some form of trust was loss?

"They also need to find a way for the One to match the PS4 when it comes to 1080p"

Really? that is all the PS4 has to offer for the One to match is 1080p? Wow, just goes to show what Sony gamers mostly care about.

What's so hilarious with your comments is most of the games coming out our always online. The features you guys are all crazy about for both consoles require you to be online, heck most, if not all of you pay to play online.

Am I defending MS's DRM they tried to pass on us, no... but to see well known sony fans saying that they lost trust in MS when Sony is slowly implementing the same policies and will probably have them in place down the road is just hilarious.

[AngelicIceDiamond]

@Heavy Not really. 1080p is just 50 50 its just gonna have to be that lingering negative perception.

It would be WAY different if X1 games froze and noticeably performing very poorly.

In which they don't have the time.

[Outside_ofthe_Box]

***"What's so hilarious with your comments is most of the games coming out our always online. The features you guys are all crazy about for both consoles require you to be online, heck most, if not all of you pay to play online.

Am I defending MS's DRM they tried to pass on us, no... but to see well known sony fans saying that they lost trust in MS when Sony is slowly implementing the same policies and will probably have them in place down the road is just hilarious."***

So because people pay for online or because certain features in games require online people should not be against or should not mind a console that FORCES you to be online always? What kind of thinking is that?

There is nothing hilarious about choosing to pay for online and being against something that FORCES you to do so.

Also how is Sony slowing implementing the same polices? Last I checked you can still sell your games used and you can still play offline if you choose to do so.

[ainTgoTTime2bleed]

''..And they changed all that''...Yeah with just a flip to the switch...lol

[Christopher]

***What's so hilarious with your comments is most of the games coming out our always online.***

Shadow of Mordor, Dragon Age: Inquisition, Lord of the Fallen, Sunset Overdrive, Halo MCC, The Legend of Korra, Assassin's Creed: Unity, PES 2015, Far Cry 4, GTAV, The Witcher 3, Mortal Kombat X, Batman: Arkham Knight.

Sorry, what were you saying about "always online" again?

[MysticStrummer]

The gamers I know who refuse to buy an XB1 felt that way before XB1 and it's policies were ever revealed. For them, it was their experiences with 360's RRoD that made them want to avoid a MS console. XB1 wasn't misunderstood, it was simply not wanted by those people. I don't know how many feel the same, but RRoD was a pretty widespread problem.

@gangsta - What's hilarious is that you completely made up something and then found it to be hilarious. Most games are not always online.

[Highlife]

No just an identity crisis in the beginning. I'm a PlayStation guy and don't have the time to invest in 2 consoles but I will admit that xbox has been hitting their stride lately and that's good for all.

[MasterCornholio]

First impressions can last a long time. The sales are proof of that.

[Old_Prodigy]

Would you let a convicted rapist who claims to be a changed man near your children?

[XisThatKid]

I'm ganna say....Prolly.

[amiga-man]

I think gamers understood what MS and the xone stood for very well and were not interested in supporting MS or the stupid policies they deemed acceptable.

Yes they have done enough 180's to make peoples head spin but it was poor pre orders that forced the change, If MS had listened to what gamers were saying long before the xone launch, the xone may be doing a little better.

Unfortunately they wern't listening till it was too late, the fact the PS4 was cheaper and more powerful was the icing on the cake and made choosing the PS4 a simple one.

[Pogmathoin]

Trust, my a55! Some here would never have bought it anyway. If your married to your PS, fine, but the pile that has come out of people mouths here is ridiculous. Like Sony never did nothing bad either..... They learned after sneaking in CD DRM malware on millions of computers, but you talk about trust? MS said up front what they planned, DRM was needed to stop pirating the games that could have been shared.... Also, online all the time? Well, what has the last 5 years been??

[Spotie]

Even when Microsoft wasn't clear, people still knew what their aim was. We're not ALL as dumb as they want us to be.

[Cha0tik]

What do you mean they changed all that? They can't just flip a switch like they did and gain everyones trust back. This is something that is going to take time because you never know... one day they might say "Back to square one. Let's announce our biggest update yet...DRM is back!" and we can't do shit about it but sale the console that we have already purchased. I have one but the PS4 is my primary because I don't want to end up disappointed if they choose to do this in the future. As for multiplats... I want the best experience possible so I'm going with the one for the console that performs better.

[DarXyde]

I've always liked the Xbox. A fine gaming device, however I'm not exactly keen on supporting Microsoft. As a company, I can't say I like them. If they sell the Xbox branch, I'd be more than eager to get the Xbox One as it's not another company I can live without.

[pompombrum]

Now they're eating humble pie while looking on in envy as Sony gains more and more ground each day in Microsoft's home territories. I honestly hope Microsoft turns it around but being honest, I don't see them bridging the gap this gen at least.

[Gazondaily]

@cgoodno
"Well, I go with the company that catered to me the most from the get-go"

You know what I do? I go with buying all consoles and dont "go with" any company. I pick the platform to play on that delivers whats most important, the games. The Xbox One is that platform for me this year. This might change tomorrow, next month or next year, depending on the games.

And respect to Sony for their policies to a certain extent but are we all going to be naive or pretend that this company that was suffering from absolutely dire financial problems had any other choice than to leverage whatever advantage it had?

[Highlife]

It happened to PlayStation after the ps2 they got cocky built a hard to program for system, made it expensive and then said get another job. They quickly learned their lesson and fixed it with the ps4. I just feel that is what happened to xbox with the 360 they did well and it got to their head and thought they could do what they want and they people will follow that didn't happen and now they are fixing it. Let's just hope these to companies keep listening to their fans and stay humble.

[Hold_It]

Parity. Also the fact that they keep saying things are exclusive when they aren't. The fact that people keep calling it a gaming console when really at best it's a home theater PC w/ DVR meant to compete with Apple TV with console functionality.

[CorndogBurglar]

They changed the DRM, yes.

But they were extremely insulting to potential buyers and longtime fans.

When asked how people who don't have internet access, including soldiers overseas, their reply was, "We have a system for them, the 360."

Basically telling people that they can't play their new system unless they have internet access, and they aren't doing anything about it.

How insulting can you be?

Getting the Red Ring of Death 4 times last gen, and then this d-bag way of presenting their new console while basically saying, "if you don't like it, don't buy it"....all of those things made me jump ship. I've been an X-Box fan since the original, but that was too much.

[diaz_aa]

So now after loving my 360 elite even after my first RROD. I loved the outstanding customer service and impeccable live service, I switched, as did a significant number of xbox customers. After the DRM, kinect is tied to the system, etc backtread or reversal, Microsoft was obviously lying. They tried to lie, and be too greedy. I felt the only way to object, was to not give them my hard earned $. So I bought a ps4. "Never bite the hand that feeds you", well they bit me and I chose to move on.

[gangsta_red]

"not mind a console that FORCES you to be online always? What kind of thinking is that?"

If you ALWAYS pay for online and you are playing games that are always online then why would you mind exactly having a console that is always online?

Think about that for a minute...

And who FORCED you online? You mean MS led customers into a store and FORCED them to pay for their console? The console is always online regardless thanks to Live and so far MS has had very little downtime unlike the PS4.

I love this false sense of choice you all seem to think you have. Sony is just as much FORCING you to pay to play online than MS would have with an always online console.

"Also how is Sony slowing implementing the same polices?"

Let me see, PSNow which will always be online, those are already the building blocks for Sony's future as they have said it themselves.

PS+ with their free games...until you disconnect the service that is.

The whole big push for digital games as Sony makes every new game available a day in advance or on the same day. How long will it be before Sony starts doing their own checks to see what type of games you rented or DL'd from their service...I mean they already tried to FORCE online passes on their first party games during PS3 right?

"Sorry, what were you saying about "always online" again?"

Titanfall, Destiny, Planetside 2, Fable Legends, H1Z1, DC Universe Online, Plants vs Zombies, Final Fantasy XIV: A Realm Reborn

I was saying pretty much that..

[ChickenOfTheCaveMan]

Now what?
Well, what's been said can't be unsaid, there's that.

When there was that always connected rule, I remember that M$ guy answer to the question what if I want to bring it to the chalet or a remote place without internet, "there's the 360 for that".

Such a slap to the face of their customers.

[BitbyDeath]

@gangsta_red, Xbl has had it fair share of outages as well this gen and if the console was forced to be always online it would mean you could not play anything at all during that time.

And then if you think about others who have no internet (yes it is 2015 and there are still millions without access to internet all over the world) then the console will be further restricted to even fewer buyers.

[Docknoss]

Yes, recent reddit article ( http://www.reddit.com/r/xbo...
from a gamestop employee proves that people still think the DRM and other polices from the E3 2013 event are still implented.
"I find that many still believe that the xbox one can't play used games, the xbox needs the kinect plugged in, the xbox needs to be always online, and that you can't sell your games".

[thekhurg]

Doesn't matter that they did a 180 on pretty much everything they were intent on doing. The fact they were considering the option to such an extent that it was their entire reveal left a bad impression for many gamers.

[madpuppy]

MS tries to rewrite the book on consumer ownership rights.

(translation: strip the consumer of almost ALL their ownership rights on products they purchase)

And you think because they backpedaled and removed all those bad and very dangerous policies because of consumer backlash, equating in poor sales, that now they are some sort of saints that should be forgiven?!?!

If someone tries to kill me and changes their mind that doesn't mean that they are now my friend.

[otherZinc]

@xHeavYyx,

LMAO. Trust?
Do you mean, the way you trusted Drive Club & the million lies they've told?

Or, that SONY is for the gamer, with Drive Club & LBP3 for its only holiday exclusives?

Or the severely "downgraded" Drive Club: 50 cars or 15 cars; not 200+ like both Forza Games. Where's the weather in Drive Club. Does the online work yet?

I mean damn?

What about the delays for a console that's "easy" to program for?

Really.

Sony is smoke & mirroring you & others to death.

Sony has promised & delivered nothing.

Halo Master Chief Collection:
1080p 60fps
Dropping ZERO frames.

Forza Motorsport 5:
1080p 60fps
Dropping ZERO frames.

Sony can't say that for 1, not 1 AAA game.

[troylazlow]

We talk about MS loosing our trust, but Sony was the one who lost my credit card information a few years back. I'm still dealing with bad credit ratings because of it, so no Sony is not in my good books.

[FPS_D3TH]

The fact is that in the terms and conditions Microsoft claims they can change any of their policies without notice. Not that they would immediately reintroduce those policies, but it came across to me like they still don't have a solid vision for the console. Your immediate consumer trust in a massive corporation like Microsoft, who was ready and eager to force their ridiculous next gen vision of gaming and ultimately how the gaming market would have to evolve is a bit alarming too considering they never decided to change a thing until they saw the preorder numbers and their initial PR responses basically told us to get over it. Lol trust me I am. To me it just seemed a little short sighted to believe Microsoft is still thinking of the gamer rather than just realizing they "Need" the gamers to begin with. The backpedalling on different features makes me think they dont exactly have a plan for it over the next 2-3 years. I'll wait til they drop the price to drop to about $150-$200 and pick up some good lookin exclusives. Except atm I just don't trust Microsoft to give them my money, nor really care with a PS4 that's got more than enough games that I haven't touched my 360 and its large game library in 3 months.

[DOMination-]

It was never going to be always online anyway. It was connect once a day. I'm not saying that makes it fine just pointing out a technical difference

[TheSaint]

Once bitten twice shy.

[USA007]

There is false information being made up everywhere in these comments. If you're going to argue something, then use real facts please

[bouzebbal]

they changed that yes but now it became nothing more than an underpowered PS4, so people obviously go for the top product.

[ramiuk1]

people lost trust in them and didnt agree with there vision.

in an interview with phil he even said that there path and vision is still the same(i hope not).

that has put me off buying one and i still dont trust them because they still havent proven the cloud power that they said was like 4xb1 consoles.

Also and i know this is just opinion but imo there is no games on it that have made me go WOW i want that!

yet on ps4 i have better looking multiplats and then games i cant wait to play.

Ms console updates have been awesome though(sony should take note)but its gonna take another year i think until the trust is back and MS gain some killer exclusive games that are there own.

[dunkyson]

Build a better consoles that are cutting edge and forget kinect

[majedx9]

2L8

[Callum_Alexander]

Now they have to reap what they've sown and watch as Sony massacre them throughout the entirety of this console generation.

Personally, I'm fairly sure that I'll never buy an Xbox, and Microsoft sold me on buying the PlayStation 4 as much as Sony did. They dropped support for the 360 entirely at the back end of the its life-cycle, and then you look at the ridiculous policies they tried to impose and it's simple. I also take their lack of investment when it comes to first-party studios a sign of their commitment to gaming, or lack thereof. Then there is the fact that they pushed their policies until they saw that nobody was going to buy their console. They didn't change for us, they changed because if they hadn't their gaming division would be even more of a disaster than it already is.

Whichever box you own, good for you! But I switched from Xbox to PlayStation this generation and as it stands I'll never be going back. I also know for certain that I am part of a majority.

[Outside_ofthe_Box]

@gangsta_red

***"If you ALWAYS pay for online and you are playing games that are always online then why would you mind exactly having a console that is always online?"***

First of all people that play offline exist. That alone is enough for someone that always pays for online to mind having a console that is always online. People that are considerate of others do in fact exist.

I'm always paying for my internet connection does that mean that I shouldn't mind a laptop or television or smartphone that will only work if it's connected to the internet?

Think about that for a minute...

***"And who FORCED you online? You mean MS led customers into a store and FORCED them to pay for their console? The console is always online regardless thanks to Live and so far MS has had very little downtime unlike the PS4."***

What happened to I'm not defending MS's original policies??? If you purchased an XB1 you were forced to always remain connected to the internet. Sure you aren't forced to buy the console in which case most people didn't hence why MS reversed their policies. If people are online regardless why require it in order for the console to work?

***"I love this false sense of choice you all seem to think you have. Sony is just as much FORCING you to pay to play online than MS would have with an always online console."***

There is no false sense of choice. You're making a "false sense of forcing." The issue isn't that you are forced to pay to play online (well that is a issue, but not in regards to ultimate topic at hand), the issue is that the internet is required in order for the console to function.

***"Let me see, PSNow which will always be online, those are already the building blocks for Sony's future as they have said it themselves."***

How many people plan to actually pay for PSNow? Do you plan on be a member? I know I don't. You can still enjoy your PlayStation console without ever using PSNow. They can set it up as the future as much as they like, but if nobody is using it and Sony is forcing PSNow on us, then Sony will find themselves in MS's position pre-policy reversal. If PSNow does take off over the use of a regular gaming console then it's because the consumers decided that not because Sony said so.

***"PS+ with their free games...until you disconnect the service that is."***

The games are part of the service... It's not like you paid full retail price for the games. I don't see how this is "slowly implementing the same policies."

***"The whole big push for digital games as Sony makes every new game available a day in advance or on the same day. How long will it be before Sony starts doing their own checks to see what type of games you rented or DL'd from their service...I mean they already tried to FORCE online passes on their first party games during PS3 right?"***

Online passes aren't around anymore why is that?

Allowing for games to be preloaded or download the same day is not equivalent to slowly implement the same policies. The way the digital system is set up the way it is now Sony doesn't need to check and never will. So there is no "how long before" crap that we need to constantly worry about. MS's original policies required checks because they were checking for games that you bought with PHYSICAL discs.

I can't believe you got a well said for your original post, but this is N4G after all so I shouldn't be surprised.

[MSBAUSTX]

@ermac

XB1 is not a DVR. It works as a hub to your set top box and coupled with kinect it is pretty awesome. Smartglass allows me to controll my entire entertainment center through my XB1. When I turn my XB1 on, my TV, cable box, and XB1 come on and instantly tune to the channel I like the most. Then I can pause, fast forward, record on my actual DVR, and play any and all shows using the kinect voice commands.

It works brilliantly and I am glad they included it along with 90 percent as good resolution as the PS4. The value is much better for me and my family because of all the XB1 can actually do. I can watch a show while playing a game. PS4 can not.

PS4 is a slightly better gaming machine but in a Halo lovers house and one that watches a lot of TV, my PS4 sits while the XB1 gets turned on daily now. I still play more games on my Wii U anyways so the whole resolution BS argument doesnt matter.

[ThatOneGuyThere]

now the console is exactly the same as the PS4, but with half of the graphics card taken out. Also, the real reason for the majority of the PS4's sales advantage is that Sony's systems sell more. This gen they launched simultaneously so people actually had a choice. MS will not be repeating that mistake again. IF microsoft makes a successor, they will try to launch it a year before sony's next console.

[Kidmyst]

@cgoodno I was actually going to go with both PS4 and Xbone at launches, and have been happy with the PS3 and 360. Then the way MSFT ended last gen, came out this gen starting with TV and sports then all the restrictions and way they came across to gamers I canceled my Xbone pre-order to hold off and wait. I have more games from PS plus than I can keep up with and don't see buying a Xbone now anytime soon since everything I want to play I can get on PS4 or PC.

[feedthereaper]

Well considering I own an X1 and very happy with it I think the only thing that will improve the experience for me, and will definitely help boost sales figures, is simple.....

Bring out some really good, varied games!

At the moment it all feels like a waiting game with only maybe 3 or 4 games worth playing in the last 12 months! This Xmas is going to be pretty lame with only COD coming out (which in itself has lost me a lot of interest through samey gameplay year after year) so its really a dire gaming situation for a while now. February onwards seems to have a few titles coming that look good but that is still another 4+ months away.

Until Microsoft start bringing out at least 1 fairly decent title a week or every two weeks, its going to be a struggle to really sell it, and its a struggle sometimes for me to want to turn it on some nights.

Resolution matters little, power is so incomparable between consoles when it comes to really getting into playing games, and the features of the X1 are getting better every month, but at the end of the day its the gamers that buy these consoles and so its the games that sell them and at the moment, and for the next few months, those games are so thin on the ground and spread far apart that it really is hard for a potential customer to really justify buying an X1.

I only hope that when DX12 is fully up and running and allowing much easier porting of PC titles, we start to see a rush of new and old PC titles heading towards the X1 in a flood and then I can almost guarantee the console numbers sold will hyper-rocket through the roof. Until then, there is very little Microsoft can do to sell their console and small price cuts are not going to help at all!

[XanderZane]

@Outside_ofthe_Box
The point he's trying to make is that Sony is already forcing you to be online with most of their games. This was what Sony fanboy were complaining about when M$ said "Always online". If you're not always online with the PS4, you'll miss updates on games, patches, what friends are doing, recording gameplay to Twitch, etc... So you basically have to be online with both PS4 and XB1 to get the full benefit. The only problem with M$ always online is they wanted to use it for DRM verification. Yes, you can still play offline, but at some point you need to go online. The PS4 would suck with ZERO online support. I support both systems for their games. Not their resolution or hardware specs.

[Christopher]

***You know what I do? I go with buying all consoles and dont "go with" any company.***

Sorry, I don't use 2 phones at once and I currently see no point to use 2 consoles at once when the best they can offer is third-party titles that they both have.

NOt all of us throw money all over the place for a handful of exclusives that we may or may not play. Same reason I don't own a Wii U. Because there are only two games on the system I want to play and I'm not spending $300 just for those.

[Death]

I disagree with Microsoft being anti-consumer with the reveal and planned feature set. As this past year has gone on we have seen many changes. Games are relying more and more on an internet connection and are not fully playable without it. Driveclub's reliance on an internet connection are painfully obvious. Titanfall and Destiny are also online dependant. As funny as it was to see two Sony execs on a couch show how easy it is to share a game, try doing that with your digital download of Drive Club or Destiny. This is without factoring in drive time if you are sharing with someone that doesn't live with you.

Having the ability to rip all of your retail games to your HDD and access them remotely without disc based verification does the same as MP3's did with music. The added ability of sharing these games with friends digitally is a great feature. Letting your friends access Drive Club remotely instead of relying on the PS+ edition to try sounds great today.

Microsoft's biggest issue with the reveal wasn't the features and benefits of their original plans, it was the way it was conveyed to gamers and then in the way they responded to those that didn't understand what they were trying to do.

[Ripsta7th]

Wouldve sucked if MS wouldve achieved their goals! How many games have a decent launch since the new consoles
Came out?! None because internet isnt as fast as it should be.Japan seems more like a market for the xbox because they have gig internet but we know how that turned out

[Christopher]

***Games are relying more and more on an internet connection and are not fully playable without it. ***

Nope. That's actually not true. Multiplayer games are on par with single player games this generation as last generation.

***digital download of Drive Club or Destiny***

Last I checked, people who wanted to trade games don't buy digital. That's why those people rallied so hard against the idea of an all digital console.

***This is without factoring in drive time if you are sharing with someone that doesn't live with you. ***

Silliest logic yet. Last I checked, a free game is a free game and most people would be traveling for other purposes already. If I wanted to sell my games, I just do it when I'm shopping since GameStop is right next to it. Or, I could just do it all online and have Amazon ship me a box to put it in my mailbox to ship to them.

***Having the ability to rip all of your retail games to your HDD and access them remotely without disc based verification does the same as MP3's did with music. ***

Yup. I can buy a song from iTunes and share it all across my devices, such as my Android phone or my Windows phone... Oh... wait...

***those that didn't understand what they were trying to do.***

Trust me, we knew exactly what they were doing. They were selling us pipe dreams and working to make more money for themselves and publishers while removing the second-hand business from the picture all together.

[Eonjay]

The policies were in fact anti consumer but that wasn't it. It was as you said, the PR. Don Mattrick actually told people not to buy it if they weren't happy. This has to be the worst response ever. Even Ubisoft, and their broken PR have never said to not buy their games.

[Baka-akaB]

As usual you are twisting whatever you want for the sake of your pro MS agenda .

If anything Driveclub , Destiny , and all online launches , and the ability for even games like Fifa to even remain connected with autolog features constantly and in a satisfactory fashion ,proves how much more painful the original XB1 promised future would have been .

Someday , soon even the tech behind the idea of a constantly online and digitalwould be good enough , but as of 2014 , it would just be a mess . Clouds or not .

Right now , it only works sporadically and on a game per game basis

[Godmars290]

MS was dubbed anti-consumer because of the old DRM policies, and how they only responded to reaction of them with open contempt and arrogance. Only changed their stance - and fired people - once they saw pre-orders.

And if anything, examples such as Driveclub and Destiny not only show that overall plans haven't changed, with either MS Sony and other publishers, but that as they insist on this online only future - that they aren't ready for it.

[UnHoly_One]

I think what they should have done, Death, is sell two versions of the console right from the start.

The one we have now, and the "digital version", which would be the way they originally wanted it to be.

That way they could have gauged interest in both versions and used this gen as a "transistion" to the next console when you probably wouldn't have had a choice at all.

[Death]

@cgoodno,

Purchasing digital content and ripping your cd's to iTunes library are not the same thing. iTunes made carrying your music around much easier than carrying dozens if not hundreds of cd's with you all the time. Having the ability to rip your games and then have access remotely would allow you to carry your games with you without planning it.

You are arguing just to argue without reason. You can't share your digital games or trade them in. You also can't rip your HDD out and hand it to a friend. The point I made was sharing works great when someone is sitting next to you. It works less great when the person you want to share with lives an hour away. Sharing digitally would be much easier than driving a disc to a friends house.

This is as anti-consumer as it was when Microsoft made broadband a requirement to play online. Always connected and always online is the future that gaming is headed. I don't personally like it, but that won't change progress.

[ThePope]

I love how people try and act like games aren't moving to a more always online future. I mean the biggest game of the year (and one of the most expensive EVER at $500 million) is an always online. While most games aren't going to be ALWAYS online many if not most will offer some sort of online component. So far this gen we have Titanfall, Destiny, Evolve, Fable Legends, and The Division. That's 5 games in less than 2 years that are always online. If you think that's just a fluke wait till DOTA comes to consoles.

What I also love is all the PS4 fanyboys commenting in this article. Its SHOCKING you don't like the X1, I cant believe it. The people with the loudest whining towards the console and you have a problem with it.

I did like a comment from above that said "that is all the PS4 has to offer for the One to match is 1080p? Wow, just goes to show what Sony gamers mostly care about." Its 100% accurate. People are acting like DC and all its issues are ok because its 1080p. See you would never see this kind of debacle on the X1 as Xbox gamers expect more out of their online games. I guess Sony gamers are still in 2004.

[Godmars290]

@Death:
But the thing is under the old DRM you didn't have the "freedom" to play your games anywhere, you could only play them on an XB1. Go to a friend's or relatives and if they had an XB1 you could access your games from their system. With the thing being that such would have been an evolving process over years.

Judging such a plan now by the example of the present, with 500GB HDD being filled within months of launch and recurring online problems, I'm guessing that there would tons of inconvenience would have occurred which consumers would have have to deal with.

[Death]

@Godmars,

You are correct. You needed an Xbox One to access your Xbox One games. I'm not sure how many of my friends would ask to borrow a game for a console they didn't have.

[Angeljuice]

"Having the ability to rip all of your retail games to your HDD and access them remotely without disc based verification does the same as MP3's did with music."

The problem with that was they didn't provide the hardware to make it feasible so it was kind of half-arsed.
The message went more like; Rip all your retail games onto a relatively small *irreplaceable* HDD for a few months until its full then.....?

[rainslacker]

I would say that there are certainly more games nowadays that have an online component, and certainly more that absolutely require an internet connection. That's pretty obvious, and would be hard to argue.

However, there is still plenty of games that are playable without internet, and most games are still just SP games with some MP component tacked on.

Despite MP being much more popular, I'd say there are still more people that prefer to not play online, and I'd argue that not every game even needs online to succeed.

It's easy to cherry pick examples of online games to say, "Hey look all games are online now", but if you actually put all the games down on a list of SP only, MP only, SP/MP combined, you would find that the vast majority of games are still SP only. If you looked further into it, you would see that those SP/MP games are still mostly played offline, with a few exceptions where the SP is the tacked on part(like COD for example).

Making an entire console online only was a mistake. Some of the features that came along with it were good if they were actually true. The being able to access your content on demand even from physical copies is a great idea, but I'm sure a vast majority of people wouldn't mind the inconvenience of occasionally putting the disc in to verify ownership instead of being locked out of any ownership of their game.

There are workaround that would allow MS to achieve all it's stated goals for the X1, most of which have been said by their target audience, MS just doesn't care to explore them, because it doesn't suit their needs of control of the consumer's purchase.

MS biggest issue is that they miscalculated just how intelligent the tech savvy gaming community can be, and just how in touch they were with everything that goes on when it comes to DRM. They overestimated their influence in the marketplace among the consumers, and it came back to bite them in the ass.

Their messaging was never a problem, it was very clear what they wanted. What wasn't clear to MS however, is that the majority of the consumers didn't want what MS was offering.

Lets face it, where were the rallying cries of the majority of Xbox fans when sh*t hit the fan for them? It was practically silent. Very little defense, even from the staunchest of MS supporters on forums and websites alike.

[IGiveHugs2NakedWomen]

DriveClub has a single player mode and so do most games available for the PS4. People keep mentioning MMO's and demonizing always online for those games. My question is simply this; how in the hell are you supposed to play a game designed to be an MMO without it being online? It's absolutely ridiculous to try and bring MMO's into the DRM conversation. So please stop.

[avengers1978]

Did MS understand there console, I mean a year of changing the message, a year of misinformation, a year of poor management, and bad PR, and that was before the console launched and within 6 months after its release... People are still waiting on the cloud and DX12 to some how make the machine better, and even Phil Spencer has said it won't be drastic improvements. MS screwed up and now they are doing everything they can to erase that screw up. Still 4-5 more years of this console cycle, so we'll see what happens in the end, but right now there looking at 3rd place in worldwide sales.

[Death]

The console doesn't need to be "better". Cloud compute is very real, but don't hold your breath for it to make an impact. It is something we will see over time and isn't exclusive to Microsoft consoles. DX12 will make improvements like any middleware update that will it over the course of the next decade. Tools are always being refined. Once again tool updates are not a Microsoft exclusive.

The biggest issues Microsoft faces are from people that assume too much and spread false information.

[AngelicIceDiamond]

Yeah it was mainly the leadership not the hardware itself. being slightly under powered didn't help its perception.

But the message was clear last year and the message was VERY clear.

Now its a much better console with better policies, games, service its a very nice console now.

[Mithan]

Most games on the ps4 are sold digital. Shut the hell up about what ms was doing, it would of been better than what we have now.

[3-4-5]

I owned xbox & xbox 360.....Almost bought a PS4, but at last second....or day, I decided to go with the Xbox One back in May.

Great decision for me personally, but I would have been just as happy with a PS4, outside of the controller, which is a huge reason for me getting the XB1.

* Both are great...both will continue to be great, and even the Wii U is pretty awesome as well.

[Regis]

You will miss Disgaea 5 then it's not going to be on xbox. Which is one of the reasons I went ps4.

[Jag-T1000]

Disgaea what? That game will sell like ten copies. Name a better game at least if you're ganna comment.

[NeoGamer232]

Anti-Consumer policies?

DRM on Every Game... Yet on the PS4, fanboys preach like a choir on the mountain Indie exclusivity as a advantage of the PS4... Yet all of the Indie games are shipping with DRM on day one and only a few indie games get to retail...

Always Online... Yet, Destiny just sold over 5.5 million copies and it is an always online game... LBP3 will rely on the online community a ton.

Kinect for Everyone... To me Kinect is just as mandatory as a blu-ray drive... I would rather see a $299 price point on consoles without Blu-ray and Kinect. The only games I buy physical are Skylanders and Disney Infinity because they do not have digital versions.

Really, how wrong or anti-consumer was MS really in putting DRM, always online, and Kinect out there for everyone?

[D-riders]

Not sure why people are disagreeing with that statement. Facebook this ms has lost trust since last Gen rrod etc. Xbox one and its policies and the back peddling etc and the console being considerably weaker than ps4 doesn't help. Also having a few games in 10th 6th doesn't make consumers believe that new games can even run at that level

[Death]

You know RROD happened on 2005-2006 consoles, mainly affecting launch consoles, right? They also extended the warranty to three years to fix these consoles. Still hanging on to RROD is the same as ranting about the PSN hack. It's time to let go and move on.

[Droidbro]

To everyone whining about always online, I suppose you do not own a smartphone, tablet, laptop, PC or any other device that requires an internet connection to be useful. If you do, you can STFU now. The benefits of always online far outweighed the negative and I was disappointed to see MS backtrack on forward thinking tech due to the pressure from all the whiny little bitches on the internet. Also, as to the 1080p argument. A lot of PS4 do not run 1080p, so why the constant bragging? I own both consoles and games look fantastic on both. If someone had to guess what console a multiplat game was playing on, I guarantee you the vast majority could not tell the difference.

[rainslacker]

I own all those devices that you mentioned, some a couple times over, and even more than that, and every single one of them is useful without an internet connection. Internet can make them more useful, but it's not absolutely necessary to always be connected to use the devices. The only time I connect with most of those devices is when I actually need to access the internet. Otherwise, network security is enough of a concern of mine to turn off the connection when not in use. I just spend 4 days while on vacation in a house that didn't have internet. I was able to use all my "connected" devices for what I use them for most. Funny huh?

That's why we don't need to STFU. There is a huge difference between a required connection and an optional connection for when we choose to use it.

[Jughead3416]

@Bennibop - Agreed. The XBOX itself, though a bit underpowered, is still a huge improvement over last gen. And I'm actually pretty excited that I'm buying one soon. Feels good to not be a fanboy. The policies they laid out in beginning wasn't fan friendly, but good to see they're trying to get it right.

[Automatic79]

I believe the console is doing great, overall, people realize it has a lot of hot features. The games are doing the talking, two back to back holidays with a great lineup is a fantastic start.

So far we got

RYSE
Forza Motorsport 5
DeadRising 3
Killer Instinct
Titanfall
Max and the Cursed Brotherhood
Plants vs Zombies exclusive window for 7 months.
Peggle 2
Zoo tycoon
Halo Spartan Assault
Powerstar Golf
Lococycle
Crimson Dragon
Super Time Force
Kinect Sports Rivals
DeadRising Super EX plus hyper
Dance Central
D4
Forza Horizon 2
Killer Instinct 2
Fantasia Music Evolved
Sunset Overdrive
Halo MCC
Ori and the blind forest

For the first year content with DLC, Xbox has and continues to show/give gamers solid hits. People have noticed the games and that's what wins generations. I bought Xbox one because I knew I was going to get quality titles that I love to play from the gate. Why spend 400 to 500 on a system and not enjoy games from the beginning. Many claim Xbox will not continue its run past the first 3 years I have faith in Phil that things will and have already changed keep up the good work. Love the system can't wait to continue to enjoy the great games coming.

[Letthewookiewin]

That list is weak bro.

[bouzebbal]

again, where are the big games?
Ryse? Titanfall? Dead Rising? Halo HD?
come on...

[poor_cus_of_games]

http://www.listwar.com/rele...

Here's a up to date list.

[noctis_lumia]

lots of these are also coming to pc...fail and weak list

[brads4]

I wish they just followed through. Always online is the actual future. Hell, your fridge will be online soon. The internet of things is the next big tech change. Would have loved the game sharing. Stupid people ruin shit for everyone again.

[Yetter]

couldn't agree more. Doesn't mean the actual hardware in the console has changed though, it is designed for the internet of things

[Muzikguy]

You'd think after all this time these articles would be gone. This train left a long time ago

[bennissimo]

Speak for yourself, Chicken Little.

I paid my X1 in full day and date with its 2013 reveal... based on the original policies.

[DLConspiracy]

How do you want to fix piracy and digital?

Had MS kept their policies with only their digital content and left the discs alone. We wouldn't even be discussing this. MS should have offered heavy discounts on their digital content. Charged disc buyers their $60 dollars like normal. Offered family sharing and a digital market place for digital content buyers only. If you want to buy and resell your discs you still can but you forfeit all these great reasons to not buy physical copies. Had MS a clue in their brain about that and loosened up their collar on the dreaded 24 hour check in (24kb file check in BTW) and actually explained the benefits of an online future ONE time people wouldnt be so closed minded to it. Even though MS proudly explained there would be DRM. People still treat it as though MS tried to hide it from consumers. Which makes no sense to me.

Now its a buzz word DRM? everyone turns into apes and start ripping the walls apart. Yet have no problem stealing all their favorite bands and superstars music online. Regardless, people hear DRM and lose their minds and I am still not entirely sure that people even know what it means even to this day. I am not asking BTW. I know what it means. Its currently being used on both consoles.

Sad thing is people stream and steal So much that this is the first time in history that there is not a platinum selling album in the music charts. Not one this entire year. Guess what that means folks? Less and less artists can survive to make music. Only the sellout bands can afford to survive. Record labels make less money. Less diversified music gets promoted. Top 40 all the way. If the music industry is the first to have this hit hard. Gaming will probably be next. Then the government steps in. With their idea of DRM. Which will probably be worse.

We need to understand digital is where all media is going. Its gonna take new ideas to make it work for everyone. But rest assured there will be change good or bad. Its gonna be digital.

[IGiveHugs2NakedWomen]

Do you actually think that a company like Microsoft will not take advantage of consumers if games go all digital? Just take a look at Windows software. Before you could just buy software like MS Word or MS Office install it and you'd never have to pay for it again unless you wanted to upgrade. Now when you buy Word or Office Microsoft wants to charge an annual fee? If anyone actually thinks that Microsoft won't find ways to take advantage of Digital Only and DRM, I advise you to take a second look and think again.

[DLConspiracy]

@igivehugs2...

"Do you actually think that a company like Microsoft will not take advantage of consumers if games go all digital?"

That was never an argument. I think people just blow things well out of proportion. Do you honestly think they want to lose money? All corporations are very capable of being shady. Their whole existence is to be a money machine. This is why competition is good. So there is no monopoly on things.

So to answer your question. Sure. They could. We are not all idiots though now are we? What bothers me is how people love to demonize one coporate entity while another fully capable entity reaps all the benefits and pretends to be your best friend. So I hope you see the door can and will swing both ways. or from all sides of any corporate fence you want to lay your trust in. Especially if we hand them the keys to said monopoly on a silver plater.

The point is. We can assume they would have or give them an opportunity and if they don't do it right move on to someone or something that can. I feel you underestimate some of the consumers and over estimate where the real power lies. With the consumer ultimately. We currently have at least 3 other gaming platform options right now. Supporting only one while pushing the other out only spells corporate control and power to me. Something I am fully aware Sony/PS is capable of. People would be wise to realize that too.

[jrshankill]

Consumers who cry and moan about DRM (that was never implemented) are the ones missing out. Xbox One is a great console.

"UUUUUUUUUUUHHH THEY SAID I CANT BUY PRE-OWNED GAMES .. UUUUUUUUUUUUUUUGGGGH THEY SAID MY CONSOLE HAS TO BE ONLINE.. UUUUUUUUUUUUUUGH WHERE ARE THE EXTRA PIXELS"

I own a Xbone, PS4 and a Wii-U. I totally love watching people defend a piece of technology like it's their parent.

[2cents]

I agree with that sentiment Bennibop.

The road they wanted us to walk along was very narrow and restrictive on the one hand but also feature rich as a result.

Don & his cronies just ruined all the hard work that was put into the console by hundreds of designers and engineers by adding the DRM 24hr checkin. I remember many MS employees coming out and saying that they had no idea of the DRM plans.

What a few of them thought we wanted was wrong, what the majority of the designers and engineers knew exactly what we wanted which is why the console is a joy to use.

When the sh1t hit the fan, MS, a faceless multi national company actually stopped and listened!!!

The idiot at the top was removed

The policies that scared us the most were removed

A new boss who has been working in games most of his life was put at the helm

Kinect was dropped as the primary focus

Indie was brought into the foray

Kinect resources released

Now all we are getting is a steady stream of Games, Apps, Software and UI Updates, New Features and more Games.

I have absolutely no reason not to enjoy experiencing the Xbox One. MS have gone beyond what I would have expected based on what was revealed back in may last year. I never misunderstood them, I just did not like the message, they changed their message, I then understood and agreed with that message, so I bought one and have never regretted my decision since.

[Spenok]

Yeah pretty much. However as DJustinUNCHAIND says, they pretty much turned heel on all those, and asks now what? Personally it's not just the fact they changed it all. Yes, Kudos to them for fixing all that, they have done an admirable job fixing past mistakes. However I'm personally not one to so easily forget. Because they could just as easily try to bring all that back if they ever wanted to. Though I doubt they would be short sited enough to do that. That's just my two cents.

[Tapewurm]

The simple answer to this heading is... "Hows about No!"

[Fro_xoxo]

Those who really want the console either didn't care about the DRM stuff, have moved on from it, bought the console, or have the intention to do so.

Majority of those holding grudges (or pretending to care \fanboys) have no intention of buying the console in the first place. A minority online who believe their ideals apply to the real world.

If Sony can be forgiven for the 2 week PSN outage back in 2011. Then Microsoft's DRM policy which was never executed thanks to us can be overlooked.

With more quality games being released people move on. .

[xHeavYx]

PSN Outage caused by hackers =/= Microsoft policies created by Microsoft

[THC CELL]

Well said

[NeoGamer232]

PSN outage was caused by poor security... And Sony still experiences poor security practices (aka DDoS) today even though they are charging for online play now. MS is the most targeted company on the Internet for all types of hacking, yet the XBL service is much more stable than the PSN service. What does that tell us? MS takes security more serious and they have better people looking after gamer security on XBL.

And as theFro stated... MS' DRM never got implemented in the final product, so no consumer can claim any harm from the DRM issue. Yet, fanboys act as if people suffered for decades.

[SonofGod]

Policies can be permanently removed/reversed, but not hackers.

Your bias towards Sony is showing in almost every comment you make.

[xHeavYx]

Says the guy who does nothing but defend the Xbox brand on any chance he gets, smh

[Death]

@Heavy,

DRM is a part of every game we own. The reason games can be ripped to the HDD and still require the disc in the drive for ownership verification is a form of DRM. When you remove the need for disc based verification, something has to replace it. The once every 24 hour check in was the replacement DRM. It matched your ripped game library with the library of games authorized for your account. When you loaned out a digital copy to a friend it was used to make sure only one person used the game at a time. If you traded your game in, it needed to remove access on your console. The upside obviously is you didn't need to switch discs and you had access to your games anytime from anywhere as long as you had an internet connection. This is what you are still scared of today.

[xHeavYx]

@Death
You keep telling yourself that, it's probably what helps you sleep at night.

I don't see you mentioning that, with MS' old policies, you could give the game to a friend only once. They also wanted to allow the game publisher to charge a fee before you can trade in your game.

[SonofGod]

"Says the guy who does nothing but defend the Xbox brand on any chance he gets, smh"

Same thing can be said about you and Sony.

At least I don't hate the competition like you do.

[xHeavYx]

That's lame,dude. You claim not to hate the competition, yet you go around trash talking other people to defend your precious Microsoft. Ironic much?

[dreamed]

Errr psn outage caused by shite security system,which.....you guessed it was sonys fault,so you were saying??......

[SonofGod]

It's not ironic. Read your own comment, it doesn't even make sense.

Those people that you claim I 'trash talk' to are mostly trolls (usually sony fanboys for some reason) who go to Xbox articles just to spread hate. I don't get it.You don't see me go to PS articles and troll just because I favor another platform

"Precious Microsoft?" Oh so I'm the fanboy now? You're twisting things to your own favor. Wow.

I'm guessing you're one of those people who thinks Sony never do anything wrong and they never lie to their consumers. Right? Sony are the good guys and MS the bad guys am I right? (Not implying it's vice versa either. I know you will jump to that conclusion anyways)

Keep living in that fantasy world :)

[Yetter]

Fine but as theFro pointed out, these controversial polices were never implemented and its been over a year now

[hduce]

The PSN outage was more than just 2 weeks.

[ainTgoTTime2bleed]

''If Sony can be forgiven for the 2 week PSN outage back in 2011. Then Microsoft's DRM policy which was never executed thanks to us can be overlooked''...It' s not only that!..it's MS track record, hardware unreliability (360-RROD,DISC SCRATCHING-1BILLION-RECALL)plu s shady business practices, etc, etc...

[DoubleM70]

Yes but people credit card information was stolen. How worst could that be. Yes.. My 360 Rodded twice my PS3 ROD also. Microsoft send me another for free. Sony wanted to charge me $150 to get it fix. Quit with the bull shit. Call a spade a spade and quit making excuses not to buy an X1.

We game here. ( PS4,X1,WII)

[NeoGamer232]

Last gen I had 11 x 360's and 4 PS3's...

Throughout the entire generation I had to send 3 x 360's back for repair (all RROD)...

Throughout the generation I also had to send 4 x PS3's back for repair...

Oh... I didn't pay a cent for repairs of my 360's yet 3 time Sony told me my consoles were no longer covered by warranty so I would have to pay for repairs.

Also, I have bought over 1,000 games at retail for 360. I have never had a disc scratch incident on 11 x 360's... Don't believe I have 1,000 retail games. Go here to view my profile:

http://www.trueachievements...

[SilentNegotiator]

"people credit card information was stolen"

Except, no, it wasn't. The CC data was safe behind an encryption; the other data was not.

It has been 3 years; time to get the facts straight.

[dreamed]

Shady business practice lmao ,list one huge company that dosent use shady business and explotation of the far east to make ends meet.

Even ps is made in a sweat shop in china like every single product in the west.

[rainslacker]

@Double

CC info was stolen, but the data was confirmed to have been encrypted by the hackers themselves, and they said it was unusable data.

Imagine how much worse it's going to be when someone hacks through the always connected game system and get into people's personal networks.

It's bound to happen eventually with semi-always-connected devices, although more likely through bluetooth or wifi devices like cell phones. You cant act like the PSN thing was a big thing, and then not see the obvious security risks that come along with what is more often than not extremely weak home network security. Heck, Windows is rife with network security risks where a lot more people do actually have valuable information stolen, do you care to rail against that?

Also, MS didn't start replacing those RROD systems for free until they realized they had to get ahead of it or get sued. There are plenty of people who either brought a replacement, or were charged by MS for replacement.

[IGiveHugs2NakedWomen]

Every time I see someone post comments about credit card information being stolen I truly begin to understand just how clueless some people are. Most banks, financial institutions, retailers, and yes SONY, have financial records and financial information ENCRYPTED. The risk to any consumer during an actual hack (meaning someone has penetrated several layers of data security to gain access to information stored on servers) is zero to none, unless anyone here knows how to crack 256bit encryption keys. Most corporations have encryption methods that are higher than 256bit, so before you post, know what you're talking about first. I have a Chase Credit Card, I use cards at Home Depot and Target, and none of my accounts have been compromised.

[DoubleM70]

Yes very well said. Sony lost people information and didn't say nothing about it for a week. I didn't hear a public out cry about this. It very self evident Sony is more trusted don't know why? Microsoft just presented a policy to you and you guys were ready to crucify them.

[MysticStrummer]

Are you joking? Sony was sued (unsuccessfully) for that breach, so yeah there was an outcry. There were articles about the whole thing popping up here for months.

[Foehammer]

Sony paid $15,000,000 for the hack.

http://ps4daily.com/2014/07...

[Eyeco]

"I didn't hear a public out cry about this."

That's because you were living under a rock, Sony was OVERWHELMINGLY criticised for the PSN hack, it caught the attention of government officials, even made it to mainstream news outlets, the internet was on fire, it was the single biggest gaming topic of that year, seriously where were you ?

[rainslacker]

They notified affected users within 4 days of the breach.,.likely how much time it took them to determine the extent of the breach and decide how to inform their customers. A public statement was made in 6 days. PSN was down for 24 days. Sony made it very clear what was taken. In subsequent investigations Sony has been very transparent about what was taken. Sony said that the CC info was taken, but encrypted, and the hackers themselves said that the CC information stolen was useless due to the encryption. Sony provided every person who had info stolen with credit protection, which would also cover losses that occured because of the breach. They screwed up, but they did what they had to do to fix it.

MS is less trusted, IMO, because they have never really been a trusted company. Realistically, outside of gaming, no one really trusts them for anything, but there isn't a lot of choice on what to use if you actually want to do anything productive or entertaining on your PC.

Sony has had it's missteps, but they've never really actively tried to screw over their customers. Even their CD DRM wasn't malicious in it's intent, and the malicious use would have been a risk from sources outside of Sony.

To my knowledge, Sony has never tried to cover anything up, whereas MS has actively done so, and has even been prosecuted in anti-consumer practices. To me it's not really rocket science to figure out why one company is more trusted than the other

In more recent events, and within the gaming realm, it is their anti-consumer policies which they tried to pass onto the customers which makes them untrusted. Again, not rocket science. Not all people are willing to forgive so easily, and that was proven true when Sony screwed up as well. They took their punches, just like MS will have to do.

[CaptainObvious878]

"Majority of those holding grudges (or pretending to care \fanboys) have no intention of buying the console in the first place. A minority online who believe their ideals apply to the real world."

Why do people keep saying this? Sony's own research told us there were a number of unhappy 360 owners migrating to the PS4. That's why they released TLOU:R.

But I was one of the ones that had no intention of buying an xbone because I saw how ms completely dropped the ball only half way through last generation in regards to exclusives, while sony catered to my needs the entire way through.

As a gamer, the choice was obvious.

[SteamPowered]

Good God that Pic of the Green X1 hurts my eyes.

[smellslikeralph]

here is my take on it. MS shot themselves in the foot big time at E3 2013 but have reversed pretty much everything and its still getting so much hate its almost pathetic now.

I have both and really enjoy both. Both consoles have flaws and both have great games. I see nothing wrong with the X1 as a whole. its a bit under powered compared to PS4 but that does not effect my buying purchase.

I buy games and I play games period. There is alot of hate for MS and that comes from Sony camps that want to trash the brand & even sites such as N4G & IGN are over the edge bias.

gamers are a PITA period and way to hard to please. Ill enjoy playing both as I am now while everyone keeps whining all day about this n that rather then playing games

[Automatic79]

Well said smells

[XanderZane]

They shot themselves in the foot at the reveal, not at the E3. That was on May 21st 2013. The E3 was Jun 11-13, 2013. At the E3 all Microsoft showed were games. They didn't screw anything up at the E3. They just didn't talk about all the negative crap from their reveal in May. There was no TV, DRM, always Online or anything like that at the 2013 E3. Gamers get these 2 dates confused all the time. Yes, the reveal in May was a disaster. The E3 show was good, but not great.

[EdoubleD]

Nope, what was being advertised before launch was something completely anti-consumer and dangerous for the industry.

The whole time they've been backpedaling, I hope this serves as a lesson for such future endeavors, I doubt it though, the suits will keep on trying.

[DigitalRaptor]

Agreed. The naivety of the whole "bu-but they changed" really makes me laugh.

MS dun f****d up, and they deserve all of the positive attention that comes with what they're doing to rectify their bad situation, along with all the negative attention that comes with horrible industry-damaging, develop-bullying, anti-consumer decisions they made in the years running up to the release of the Xbone, as well as trying poorly to be Apple and failing in the process.

Sure, they are trying hard to make their console worthwhile for their current fans, but they sure as hell aren't winning over the gamers who have strong memories, bulletproof morals and perception of the "long-haul".

I don't know how gamers can say this company is deserving of our respect and forgiveness when they were pushing something as offensive and back-handed as "consumers aren't ready for our product". Damn right they weren't ready. Is anyone ever ready to be screwed over? For just a second or two, think about what the industry would be turning into now, if MS had had their wicked little way.

[XanderZane]

So Sony doesn't deserve our respect after the PS3 disaster either right? lol!! It's funny how fast gamers forgave Sony and still ran out and bought PS3 after they lied to their fans and tried to release an overpriced system with no quality games for their first year. If Microsoft doesn't deserve our respect neither does Sony. Both companies have f*** up over the last two generations. All we can do is deal with it and move one.

[TheStrokes]

I don't think microsoft even understood it themselves when they first brought it out. I'm not a hater, as I will probably buy one at some point, but it's pretty plain to see that they fired a blank at their reveal, along with the policies etc...
if it was the better console I would have bought it straight out... but it isn't.

[rainslacker]

Im sure they understood it. I just think they underestimated the fact that to pull off their policies they needed to be crystal clear that the consumer was actually getting something much more than they were already getting.

Instead, the customers saw they weren't getting more, and in some cases, there was no rational reason for some of the policies except that they favored MS and publishers.

If they had spent more time thinking about the consumers, instead of their own business interest, and maybe took the time to find out what it was consumers wanted, they could have developed and delivered a clear message.

In the end, I think Sony took MS by surprise with their reveal, and decided to go with something that wasn't fully realized. Instead of just keeping it quiet until they had it all figured out, they threw it out there with every head of MS seeming as if they were on a different page.

MS has often stated that the customer just didnt understand the message, but they wanted to achieve their original vision, even the almighty savior Phil Spencer. It makes it really hard to trust them for the long haul because of that.

[Blashted]

Microsoft is not consumer friendly as they should be. They care more about money than customer satisfaction. I've had dealings with MS in the past and they are not for you fully. I can't believe people bought into that "the DRM stuff was gonna be the future" and people forgave them when they reversed and still bought Xbones. Do you not realize how they felt about you? No used games? And the size and desgin of the system needs revamp im sorry it does and no HDD replacement is crazy. And why is there a power brick when its massive, the ps4 has it built in and its mini. Whats even worse is your controller takes batteries....IN 2014. I had issues with them back in 2012 with customer support and so with no console to play I decided to hop on the Sony side and bought a PS3 and Sony treated me right with no probs. Im not saying Sony doesnt love money too but at least they do it right and remember what its like to be a gamer. They have the balance of trust and profit. Xbox has good games like Halo and such but MS has made it totally not worth it. I've lost all trust in them now. Many devs are making ps4 only now cuz sony is dev friendly so that's where all the games are right now. Halo is the only thing xbox has good, very good actually. Sorry but sunset overdrive looks goofy and 900p is unacceptable for $500 console. Idk I used to be a proud xbox fan and owner but MS did me wrong and at E3 2013 they killed their self. It's gonna take something big at MS to make Xbone what it was meant to be cuz their reputation is ruined on both the consumer side and dev side and with the ps4 being slightly more powerful and more games being 1080p there atm, the xbox camp needs a 180 to be at the top. The Xbox has been misunderstood according to MS but the policies will never be forgotten and the less than 1080p games makes it ridiculous, this is 2014 i wanna play what the other camp is. And the focus on TV apps is dumb, I mean why do i pay for cable? Its just a gimmicky NFL app, I want games. Im not one for being all about graphics or power, but when you mess with your loyal fanbase and dont provide, its gonna bite you. As a former xbox fanboy, I have to say we didnt misunderstand MS, they misunderstood us and theyre gonna need new some attraction to gain a new customer cuz Sony isnt even trying and theyre decimating.

[spacedelete]

the problem was MS was trying to sell a console double the size of the PS4, cost more than the PS4 and is less powerful than PS4 and PS4 didn't have a forced camera like Kinect. then you realise Sony better first party games along with better performing third party games and its a no brainer.

[Harold_Finch]

Love the way one company is being called anti consumer and another isn't. They are both anti consumer and pro-money, that's all they care about. They don't care about the public, they care about our moneys. Do you know how Sony got the jump on MS that E3? Analysts...

[kenshiro100]

Uh, no. Sony acted smart, which allowed the PS4 to continually outsell the XB1.

All companies are after money but it depends on how they go about it.

[Harold_Finch]

Yeah, they acted very smart but what was said after "they listened to us"

They aren't agony aunt collumnists.

[CaptainObvious878]

Yes, they both want money, but here's the difference.

One tried to screw gamers over and created a console that extracted as much money from gamers as possible, regardless if it hurt the gamer or not.

The other built the best possible console they could that was geared towards gamers, where feedback from the developers of the industry heavily influenced their decisions.

If you can't see ms and sony are different they you're either blind or just don't have the ability to discern basics facts.

[Harold_Finch]

No, it was just a guessing game, MS chose their hardware because they thought Sony were using the same specs. Sony changed their DRM and Disc-less drives and online only because Microsoft basically announced it first. It didn't take a backlash to convince anyone when the format was the norm since the very first console.

[CaptainObvious878]

No, no, no and no.

There's been no proof of this at all. People keep spouting that sony pulled their DRM at the last minute, but they're just talking out their ass. If you only had a basic understanding of technology and how long the process is to design and build a console, you'd know that would be impossible.

[TheStrokes]

Obviously they think about money, but you can't deny that Microsoft were trying to force way too much.

If I own a music store and have a love of music, does that make me anti-consumer if I try and sell a guitar? What if I offer you one with 6 strings and another with 5 but charge you more, just because I tell you it will sound better when you put the 6th on it?

[SynestheticRoar]

That green system looks ugly. Should had pictured the white one.

[captain_slow82]

MS tried to push their vision onto people tv/sports/gaming and in that order NOW the rat that run up their trumpets is the gamers said nah ya ok MS (get that early install base) so now its all about the gamers but for how long? as an ex 360 gamer it wont be long before gaming takes a back seat.

being a jack of all trades and a master of none is what will kill the xbox brand. hell if u ask me they have that much money their using gamers to test the waters of how an where they can take there all in one box.

sit and really think about it for a second without any kind of fanboy goggles on :D

[strangeaeon]

Can anyone come up with an original thought once in awhile instead of chirping into the N4G echo chamber? I swear to god I see the same exact diatribe from the Sony side every time.

[noctis_lumia]

nope
still dont see why afford one

except milked franchises like halo and forza i dont see a reason buying

[Automatic79]

@ noctis

You prefer milked franchises like killzone and Infamous. Lol

[DigitalRaptor]

Not trying solidify his point, but Halo and Forza have yearly releases.

Neither Killzone nor inFamous do. God of War would've been a better example, but then again God of War isn't exactly on an established yearly release schedule.

[kenshiro100]

How were Killzone and Infamous milked?

-cricket chirp-

Oh...wait.

[Toman85]

Yeah. Its two Forza games within one year, that is worst milking yet, even worse than one Call Of Duty release a year.

Forza 5 29.november 2013 for me and Forza Horizon 2 3.september 2014, so there you have it. Two Forza's in a year.

[noctis_lumia]

i prefer little big planet
puppeteer
uncharted
infamous
crash
god of war
ratchet n clank
jak and daxter
medieval
the last of us
gt
resistance
bloodborne
the order 1886
wild
rime
ico
shadow of colossus
mgs4
syphon filter
the gateway
no man sky
everybody gone to rapture
heavy rain
beyond two souls and more...it is called "variety"

something you cant possibly know cause MS throwin at you for three gens the same milked craps kkthxbb.

[Bdub2000]

@noctis, from your comments history, do you just go to every single x1 article and troll it with how terrible you think every game is for it? What's the deal? It's like you're an ex-microstoft employee or something. Give it a rest... .

[Software_Lover]

Other than resolution, I think it's the most "next gen" console. The features are unmatched. I mean, I was playing PvZ garden warfare last night while watching the football game at the same time. I then got a Skype call and switched to that snapped, then switch backed to the game.

Got to love it.

[FAT MAN GO BOOM]

As a consumer and a gamer I do not feel sorry for MS one bit.

What they tried to pull over on gamers and consumers was sickening. Even after they rushed to stop the blood letting they still ended up with an over priced under powered console that is lacking any real focus.

MS has changed what Xbox one main purpose is over and over again.

Sure it can do many different things but it does none of them as well as others out there and they are offered at a less price.

What MS did to consumer and Gamers and Fans of the system was unforgivable.
Now we know what they think of their supports. They do not value them. The lie and try to push impossible policies on to them.

And when that fails horribly they want to be seen as the company that listens...

When Sony and Nintendo have had a solid message from DAY One of showing off the consoles for the first. The have both delivered on what they have promised.

Why feel sorry for them when they have done nothing but lie, manipulate, flipped flopped like a dead fish gasping for air.

The best thing for MS right now. IS to slowly move the XboxBrand over to the PC side of windows...

Allow Xbox One's to become Steam boxes essentially. Sales of Xbox One would skyrocket. Giving Console gamers a chance at PC game Prices and value.

MS needs to bring the Xbox Brand and Windows together.
A new consoles from them running Stream soft ware as well as their own. allowing consoles gamers to pic between Consoles games or PC versions of the game.
MS sits in a position too push these to marketing strategies together and burry the idea of just a console gamer or a pc gamer...

Look at Dells new Stream Boxes, they can be used as a big picture steam OS or run just like a PC and this is where MS should be...

Please not only stock holders but gamers and consumers. For delivering Value as well options and versatility...

AS far as the Xbox one goes... Do not waste your money, there are better stronger system for less money and even better options and value in steam boxes from Dell...

MS made their bet let them lie in it...

it maybe the ale up call they need.

[joeorc]

100% Agree' why they ie: should have made a freaking game OS over of Windows!

Now look at what Gabe is doing over at Valve!
Making a Game OS over of Windows loadable on a PC Box like Valve Linux Steam OS would have been much better for Microsoft's ability to keep toll position instead of now iOS and Android now have a very Viable foot hold as a viable option for developers to make games and Applications for a other OS aside from Windows.

Now with Valve doing such Microsoft has yet more comp. From not just Apple and Google for 3rd party development publishers and studios but also add in now Valve with Steam OS.

This may have an adverse effect on Microsoft being able to keep the dominate position on a OS gateway to all things Gaming on PC is if Valves Steam OS starts chipping away at that toll position.

Robbie Bach even talked about this very problem.
Many think and I happen to agree with them, Microsoft not concentrated effort onto a OS level for game system core as their "Game console" instead of fooling around with the consumer electronics market would be far better for Microsoft than dealing with loss leading low margin investment return in the Game consumer electronics industry.

A Consumer designed platform agnostic OS for making a PC more of a game console would net far better results for Microsoft' hell make it loadable from a flash drive boot able or from Disc install inside as dual boot system.

[smellslikeralph]

I agree and disagree. I enjoy my x1 but i respect your opinion.

Look at driveclub & look at forza horizon 2. You say other machines do it better but from my driveclub experience so far its a dung pile where as forza horizon 2 so far for me has been a great experience.

No offense but thats my opiniob on 2 games i own.

[BlissSeeker]

i cri evrytiem

...

:'(

[Ristul]

This sums it up pretty good

The Xbox One: A Lying Failure Machine
https://www.youtube.com/wat...

[DigitalRaptor]

Jim is pretty much always on point.

And this is probably his best effort to expose companies for what they really do. It's a shame the rest of the nutthuggers with paychecks stuffed down their pants like Sessler can't have the same blunt and brave perspective in an industry that is constantly trying to take a mile when you give them an inch.

[Macdaddy71]

See a lot of people don't know that Sony really was the ones pushing online only, buy all your games online, then MS had the balls to say what they wanted to do!!! Then Sony seen how gamers felt bout it n changed the ps4.... And Sony was loved for it...if people really knew the truth n cared as much as they claim they would not been as happy with Sony like they was MS..... I own both systems n love my Xbox One way more then ps4 the 16 games I have on X1 to one game on ps4 shows that, we bought both, me n 3 sons after playing them, I had to buy 3 more X1s...
If gamers would give X1 a chance they will love it...but they still time for MS to win cause they are around 18 million gamers still playing there 360 that's not bought a X1 yet, cause we all know around 60% of ps3 gamers moved to ps4 already.....in a year or so time the x1 will be right with the ps4

[hello12]

Sony admitted they had DRM in place, but after the hate Microsoft got they decided against it.

SCE Worldwide Studios president Shuhei Yoshida admitted to Famistu magazine this week that Sony changed its stance on DRM after hearing all the negative feedback stemming from the Xbox One. Prior to E3 2013, Sony had remained withdrawn regarding that topic, whereas Microsoft laid it all out on the table. It wasn't until the Xbox Media Briefing during E3 that we saw the scope of Microsoft's DRM scheme.

Obviously, Sony saw Microsoft's wounds as a time to pounce. Yoshida said there were many people who gave their opinions on that issue directly to him through Twitter before Sony made its presentation at E3 2013. He then admitted that – even though Sony doesn't typically define its hardware policies based on feedback – the subject became a very useful source in regards to what Sony needed to convey about its new console and how to do it.

[reaperofsouls]

@ KNWS

"Sony admitted they had DRM in place " er no they didn't

[CorndogBurglar]

Where did you hear that from? Thats completely untrue.

They said they changed their reveal presentation based on the backlash MS received.

Thats believable because Sony's reveal took a few cheap shots at MS.

At no point has Sony EVER said they had DRM in place.

Please find the statement where they said that. Don't stop looking until you find it. You will be on the internet until the end of time.

[DigitalRaptor]

Stop lying. All you ever do is lie or spread misinformation to try and make Sony look as bad as Microsoft with all the crap they attempted on consumers this generation. Just because MS is taking a thrashing, doesn't mean you have to level the playing field with manure.

Here….. http://www.dailytech.com/So...

Before anything regarding Xbone DRM was solid, and before any rumours got directly out of hand, here is Yoshida saying (in February - months before the official reveal) that there is no DRM in the PS4 on physical discs. Do you know how absurdly anti-consumer a corporation you'd have to be to put system wide DRM on physical discs?

Even if what you said had an ounce of fact or logic, based on Sony's track record of technical network based reliability, do you really think they had the time and manpower to completely remove system-wide DRM from their console mere months before it released, leaving no traces of DRM?

BTW, this is the article you are trying to draw your lies from and it's from June, after the reveal: http://www.polygon.com/2013...

Nowhere there does Yoshida say they had DRM and removed it. Nowhere does it imply that. It mentions that Sony used that overbearing negative feedback as a part of their marketing strategy.

Troll harder.

[kenshiro100]

No they didn't. I'm pretty sure you don't believe what you even posted there either.

[deepio]

No one can say for sure whether Sony had DRM in mind or not. But, I bet you they would have, if they could have. They just read the market better than MS did.

Lets face it, DRM will come eventually. Every other gaming platform apart from home consoles has it. It is inevitable.

Playstation Now anyone?

[imt558]

Rubbish post as usual, KNWS!

[Predaking77]

Let's put it this way

If your girlfriend cheated on you, treated you like garbage, insulted you and your intelligence, and acted like she was the only girl in the world this giving her the right to miss treat you.

Would you take it back? Nope, the trust is broken, only a person with low self esteem and no self respect would take it back.

But what if she changed all and removed everything that hurted you? It could be but is a process that takes time.

And when you have a better girl(PS4) around with 1080p boobs, that treats you well, respected you from the beggining and run your multiplatform friends better and lots of good stuff, is difficult to look back.

[DoubleM70]

Bad analogy! This is about plastic. You telling me you are attached to plastic like a human being. DRM it didn't happen get over it.

[Opticstrike]

It's a figure of speech, to give you an example of trust for the company and the product you bought or was planning to buy..

would you consider staying with your girlfriend even if you knew she was planning on cheating you badly, but ended up not doing it because you caught her planning it? is that trust?

[baodeus]

@predaking77

About your analogy, what if it is more like this:

- you overestimated your intelligence?
- she doesn't think she is the only one, but rather she think you aren't the only one?
- she want to get out of a dead end relationship because uhave nothing to offer?

About the new girl:
- you met her online and she treat you wellbased on what she said/promise, but you keep getting disconnected but she promise you shell will update her network soon. In the mean time, here are some 1080p boobs picture you can look at....in secrecy, she is actual a fat man sitting beside hind a computer roleplaying a hot chick?

[baodeus]

Want to know how I know that predaking77?

Because FAT Man GO BOOM above is that fat man sitting behind his computer on a borrowed dial-up network (he has been constantly losing money for years so he couldn't afford one, no less a data center), sending you those pictures. I know, i saw it.

C'mon, do you really think any legit hot girl would give you 1080p boobs for FREE? GET REAL. He is all you gonna get.

[Mrveryodd]

I have a xboxone and I love it.

[THC CELL]

Sony hardware
Ms network they should team up

[mhunterjr]

It definately has been misunderstood, but it was due to MS' poor messaging. To me, it was always an interesting piece of tech, but I can understand why people were put of by the initial reveal. For all the criticism it got then for not being focused on games, they've delivered quite an impressive exclusive lineup so far. And for all the flack they got for "TV,TV,TV" I find that it has become an excellent multimedia device, especially when paired with kinect and oneguide, and none of that comes at the expense of its ability to deliver games.

[Moonbase0ne]

I will pick up a XB1 when they have a 1tb hdd model. And NOT the COD bundle for $499. I'm not interested in Call Of Duty.

And I know that I could use a external hard drive but I don't want to have to rely on a external hard drive. I prefer to have the storage built into the system and use a external hard drive as back up.

And 500GB is not enough memory seeing as you have to install every game now and you ccan't upgrade it at all.

[Jaqen_Hghar]

It's gotten about the sales it deserves just as the PS4 has. The real travesties of this gen are Vita and WiiU. Both are fantastic systems and haven't gotten the sales they deserve especially WiiU this year. Too bad. Xbox got what a man expected. It's understood perfectly it's just that if you don't give them a $200 price advantage and year head start (15 months in Europe) then their weakness against Playstation isn't masked as well as last gen.

[Villain528]

I got both. They both could be better in truth. At this point since the games play pretty much the same on both systems....The Graphics are a BIG DEAL!! to say they dont matter or u cant really tell is just not TRUE. Ok Killer Instict just got patched from 720p to 900p on XB1. Anyone who says it doesn't clearly look BETTER is unrealistic.

[Jaqen_Hghar]

Yeah especially because they're the same price and most people are primarily interested in 3rd parties so they'll get the system that all those games look better on aside from a few that are just more stable.

[dreamed]

When both sony & ms find a way to make drm appealing they will both do it,gameshare is a good start imo.

[hiawa23]

MS shot themselves in the foot with the policies they tried to put forth, forcing Kinect2 on everyone, & for $499. They changed course, and trying to right the ship. I was always an Xbox guy, even though I own every console every gen, so it was a no brainer for me, I was getting the One, actually gets way more play than my PS4. This imaging problem MS created has only further exposed unfortunately by Sony's near perfect launch of the PS4, doing mostly everything devs, and gamers like right, everything from the console design to the graphics chips, so MS might as well get used to coming up 2nd fiddle to Sony this gen but that doesn't mean they can't release great software, great apps, for the One, so my advice for MS would be just to continue with the monthly awesome updates, continue to get great software, they are a software company & they have proven that early on with the console, and try to get as many exclusives or timed as they can. The PS4 is this gens darling and that aint changing. I am fine with both consoles, and plan to enjoy what both brings to the table. I just play the games, many gamers seem way to fickle when it comes to this stuff, and the, "My console kicks your console's ass," mentality, I just can't get with, at the end of the day these are multi billion $ corporations who just want your money, nothing more, really nothing to get attached to.

[joel_c17]

I wanna get a xbone but im too poor :(. I usually get all 3 consoles but my 360 just collected dust last gen.

[Urzusix]

Its funny to see the different views of Sony and Microsoft, I picked PlayStation as they dont let stupid policies get in the way of games, like Games needing to be on Xbox first or not allowing Xbox gamers and Playstation gamer play together (hence why FF14 isn't on xbox) This is what needs to be fixed if they want me to buy an Xbox

[Scottyxboxoneandps4]

Well whatever they did wrong in the first place they have fixed it now and to be fair it's my favourite console out of the two overall it's not just about graphics to me but the overall functionality and superior online.

[kotorc]

MS sucks ,they want zombies not customers winXP ,WIN-ME,WIN-Vista,WIn7 (next year end support),Win8 and now win10 .
So I don`t like it ,not bought it .

[Azzanation]

I remember when people hated the Always Online method so they can hate the XB1 and they even went to a low standard in saying you cant use a XB1 on a Nuckear Submarine. . Lol honestly. Now we have today where the best selling game and one of the fastest selling new IPs of all time is an Always Online game in Destiny. The consumers/customers dont know what they want. Only imagine what could have been if MS were able to stick with there plans.
People also hated paying for Live but now its a welcome feature on PSN.
People also wanted graphical games and look where those games sit on review boards.

If I had a voice for the public I would say (STFU and let the companies do there thing)

[PaleMoonDeath]

People can't mistake inferior hardware and gaming focus, more so neither can a company, the Xbox One wasn't built to be a video-game console first and foremost, and guess why people buy these machines.. to play video-games.

The next generation of consoles if they do actually happen, Microsft will surely fix every mistake they took with the new Xbox, but this generation will be PS4 and PC focused, and consumers agree.

[IWentBrokeForGaming]

When MS unveiled the One for the first time & I seen it do more for television than games... I knew they lost sight of their priorities! After several 360s red ringing on me then switching to PS3 & expierencing Uncharted along with God of War 3... Between the graphics & stories... I hadn't seen anything on Xbox rival the quality of Playstation exclusives since! Varied game catalogue, along with the best console graphics is why I switched!

[DoggyBiscuit]

A lot of gamers still ain't over the DRM thing even though M$ did a 180 on all they policies, the X1 will be fine as far sales goes but the truth of the matter is the PS4 is killing it right now

[Yetter]

Best console I've ever owned easily and I've had them all

[tommygunzII]

The console and its games are junk, stop pretending like its not. Be thankful we have PS, PC and Nintendo because if Microsoft was the only show in town, I'd have a new hobby.

[Skankinruby]

It hasn't even been a year yet. You can't show up arrogantly with an abomination pitch like the drm policies then quickly backtrack as if to say 'no, no we were just kidding' and expect that sort of reputation to reverse in a year. It'll take time, and by the ps4 will have an extremely cozy lead and not an ounce of worry.

[WizzroSupreme]

People don't like DRM. Microsoft removes DRM. "We can't stop hating Microsoft, put DRM back so we can hate it!" *People's minds implode.*

[FanboysKiller]

I don't give a shit. The 3rd party games that i bought purposely for multiplayer experience on ps3 were all disaster. I just felt at that time this is the real money i throw to that platform without positive returns .

[Father__Merrin]

Microsoft only changed policy when sales and feedback was going down the pan, it wasn't because they care at all.

they have tried to be like the competition, I know many support xbox1 but no matter how hard u will or try it's over I'm afraid it's just over!

[dunkyson]

The problems started for ms when gamers realised how underpowered the Xbox one was going to be during the leaks people were disappointed before it was even released the other stuff just added to the fire

[Sneakybudda]

Yes they messed up big time with there pr skills n shiz. I was swayed at getting a ps4 when all this was happening but i thought no xbox will deliver and they did...slowly but they did. online is a massive factor for me as a gamer and plus ive been a loyal customer to xbox ever since the first ever xbox. The great thing is that the updates what they bring out monthly will make the xbox more of a cancerous mole to the ps4. And it will start to make amends with gamers. Thats the great thing about the xbone it evolves constantly and thats why i bought it. And it will just get better and better over time. But hey what do i know am just a cat meowww.

[XxGOWxX]

Funniest part about all these comments is they assume Sony werent going to use DRM.

You think it was just MS wanting to stop piracy and they came up with this idea on their own?

You think Devs would prefer to make money or lose money?

Online check ins... You have a next gen console and no internet?...mmk

Come on now people stop being blind and living in the past.
How did microsoft lose your trust? when they were telling you play by play exactly what they were doing? Doing things you dont like isnt dishonest and they changed the things you didnt like!

People that wank on about how good their console is clearly cant afford to buy both and cant just have fun with what ever console they have. So sad that you define yourself by the console you play and have to put others down for what they like.

[Helloween13]

where are these killer titles you speak of

[RosweeSon]

Yes I always thought they were only available in black and white ;).... Joking aside release that awesome green one and I may actually consider it.... Sub £299 tho and with Kinect just incase as Id never pay the price they want individually for it.

[rapidturtle]

Great consoles with some great games coming out for it. You can't play Halo on Playstation.

[Duke19]

I don't think its been misunderstood - some people just care more about the politics around the system then others. I could honestly care less about the xbox one negatives listed in the article:

1) "Developer-Friendliness
2) DRM / "Always Online" policies
3) Sales Figures

I understand exactly what my Xbone is. A compliment to my PS4 for the excellent exclusives it has coming.

[Scottyxboxoneandps4]

I think anyone who doesn't buy the console for mistakes that were made at the start are missing out. Both consoles are fantastic and the xbox is a different beast now to when it launched and if anyone's serious about online gaming then xbox is a must in my eyes.

[S2Killinit]

Misunderstood? Um no actually MS was finally understood. Im mean even now they will still impliment DRM slowly through applying "the cloud". Its basically DRM repackaged. The consumer doesnt stand a chance.

[JonnyBigBoss]

The Xbox One is a great console. That's all that matters to me as an owner.

[VTKC]

it was a device that was suppose to invade peoples privacy and spy on them but at the same time trying to eliminate the pre owned market and shops that sell pre owned games AND squeezing more money out of the consumers with the possibility if it had succeeded-would of cause the stores to close due to lack of sales as some stores depended on pre owned game sales. In the form of a console.

They thought all this would work thinking the consumers would eat it up by judging on the basis of how popularity of the xbox 360 but the consumers are not idiots like ones who buy into another well known certain company -begins every product name with the 9th lowercase letter of the alphabet.

One of the worst things to do is treat your consumers like idiots because they will go else where to spend their money.

[TheTwelve]

Poor, misunderstood, Microsoft.

Make an appearance on Oprah and let's regain public support.

[ATi_Elite]

MS did have a horrible launch with all the Drm crap a weaker gpu but a higher price tag and silly ole kinect

They fixed all that but it may have left a bad taste in some gamers mouths as the ps4 was totally gamer friendly from day one while the xb1 was wishy-washy

But now even with a weaker gpu the xb1 actually has a better line up of exclusives that I wouldn't mind playing.

Ps4 Uncharted 4

Xb1 Halo 5 Quantum Break Crackdown 3 fables Legends D4
Mcc

Thats a big difference is in upcoming games

While Sony focuses on 1080p I think MS has a great chance to improve its user base by making kick but games.

Huge game worlds lots of tools lots of on screen enemies advanced physics and AI that's the key to next gen gaming.

Compromising the those features for the sake of 1080p is not next gen.

Play Games not resolution