Xbox One outsold PS4 last month, according to analyst estimate

Microsoft gave away a free game last month around the time of Destiny's launch, and it seems like that strategy paid off.

[ColManischewitz]

People like free games with new consoles.

[mikeslemonade]

Nope. They're not beating the Destiny bundle. I trust Amazon bestsellers coupled with vgchartz. X1 did not beat the PS4 in the U.S. this month.

lol at the disagrees:

In the 4 weeks according to VGchartz. In the US the PS4 beat X1 15k, 80k, 20k, and 30k. So that story VGchartz is telling me that the PS4 did not lose to the X1. It's not even close. I don't care how innaccurate you say VGC but they're not wrong enough to completely be off by 40%.

While on Amazon, the biggest online retailer the PS4 is constantly in the top 10 while the X1 is floating around in the 20s-40s. Do the research yourself. Stop going by your own biased stand point.

[uptownsoul]

I kinda doubt Pachter…Plus Amazon(USA) had the exact same deal spanning from Sept 7th through 13th (for both $400 Madden XB1 bundle with additional free game AND $400 Forza bundle with additional free game) …and no Xbox One console(basic or bundle) got within 15 spots of either the basic or Destiny bundled PS4 on the Amazon(USA) best seller's list…And the Destiny bundled PS4 AND the basic PS4 BOTH stayed in the top 15 of the Amazon's(USA) best seller list for the entire month of September

[xHeavYx]

The Xbox One wasn't able to outsell the PS4 even when Titanfall was free, now they are trying to tell me that the One beat the PS4 even with the Destiny deal? Yeah, right.

[FITgamer]

Lol just the fact alone that he thinks only 250k PS4's were sold in September should enough evidence for logical thinking people to know this prediction is completely wrong.

[donthate]

I kind of predicted this would happen this Holiday, but didn't think it would happen this soon.

This is obviously not confirmed, but the trend has been saying so. In a span of 4-months, MS went from reducing the monthly sales gap to a quarter, and increased their sale by over 100% month over month. The sales gap is was a paltry 30k between PS4 and Xbox One during Last of Us Remake release!

Numbers below from NPD (US numbers obvioulsy):

Month Xbox One PS4
5 77 197 120
6 197 269 72
7 131 187 56
8 160 190 30

Of course we do have to wait for the official numbers, but it would be huge if MS even just matched Sony in the month Destiny launched, because I don't see any other game is going to be bigger in the next 4-6 months on the PS4.

[HaveSumNuts]

Michael Pachter lol.

[Pogmathoin]

Pachter is only right when he speaks good of Sony.....

[54LK]

Amazon stopped carrying the madden bundle that week. Any smart buyer would have went elsewhere to purchase a xbox. Amazon bestsellers are not indicative of the market.

[DonMingos]

There is only one thing that we all can agree is usually more wrong than vgchartz. And that is obviously Patcher.
He predicted the same for August numbers

[Kayant]

@donthate

You do know that gap is still increasing albeit slower and not reducing right? There is a 700k gap there already the only way to reduce it is for the XB1 to constantly outsell PS4 for several months(Like 18+).

[thorstein]

Yeah. I am pretty sure it has to outsell the WIi U before we can talk X1 v PS4 yet.

[FarEastOrient]

Venturebeat is saying one country, the rest of the world doesn't count.

[uptownsoul]

@54LK
"Amazon stopped carrying the madden bundle that week." What?!?…Madden bundle has been consistently available from late-Aug through this very day: http://www.amazon.com/Xbox-...

[Eonjay]

This will be a great reference article after NPDs... It would be foolish to put your stock in one of Patcher's predictions... just saying.

[CuddlyREDRUM]

Speaking of biased points...

[Docknoss]

It has begun, the tide is changing.

[54LK]

@uptownsoul Go look at your link. In order to have received a free game it need to shipped and sold by amazon. They don't even sell it now. *facepalm

[uptownsoul]

@54LK
And both the Madden Xbox One bundle AND the Forza Xbox One bundle were available on Amazon(USA) for the whole month of September (including the timeframe of the free game promotion which was Sept 7th - Sept 13) And here is the correct link: https://www.amazon.com/gp/f...

So tell me, Amazon promoted this but only had the basic consoles in stock(thus giving physical retailers a competitive sales advantage)? Or are you saying that Amazon wasn't prepared for this particular sale? I mean when has Amazon not been on their game? Never …No, it seems far more likely that they were fully stocked with all qualifying consoles/bundles at the time of that promotion that Amazon themselves advertised.

But did you have any actual proof that Amazon did not have the Madden bundles available from Sept 7 - Sept 14?

[morganfell]

Amazon Monthly Bestseller list for September totals have the White PS4 Destiny Bundle at #6 and the standard PS4 at #11. That is for the entire month of September. The Xbox1 was at #28, again the average for the month. Not even close. Amazon isn't the end all be all of sales but it has proven to be a very good indicator.

Add to this the X1 was running at number 10 at Best Buy while the PS4 was clocking between spots 1 and 4. And that was 2 different PS4s. Even now the X1 has only managed to move up to 6.

Venture Beat deaserves a beatdown for this type of nonsense article when NPD is released.

[pandaboy]

"I don't care how innaccurate you say VGC but they're not wrong enough to completely be off by 40%"

Before they adjusted their april numbers for this year the xbox1 numbers had a 100% margin of error. They had them as double the actual number sold when NPD numbers were released. Moral of the story - never trust VGChartz regardless.

However, looking at the sales trends across top retailers last month I do believe the ps4 is coming out on top, maybe even comfortably ahead.

[5eriously]

@Pogmathoin

Pacher is only right when he's asleep whilst dreaming up new BS and when he doesn't open his mouth to spin garbage.

[54LK]

@uptownsoul You sent a link to justify they did sell the bundle when cleary they don't. As for proof specific to those dates, can't say that i have any, only the attempt made by me to acquire one with destiny the entire week. however the week prior to that deal, amazon ran a $35 promotion wherein I was able to purchase the madden bundle.

[Death]

I will be shocked if the Xbox One outsold the PS4 in September.

I'm also shocked that people still think Amazon is good measure of sales trends. The only thing Amazon sales ranking measures is Amazon sales trends. It's a good possibility that more people that intend to buy a PS4 do so on Amazon. The Microsoft store has been doing some very aggressive promotions both in stores and online. There is a great chance more people are going there for their shopping. Microsoft even advertises many of the deals on the 360 and through direct advertisements to 360 owners email.

[uth11]

oh it's Pachter? I seem to recall he predicted this as soon as the price dropped. It didn't happen

He starts from a number of faulty assumptions. One is that because we can make set-top boxes and do game streaming people won't want consoles anymore. Ha

Another is that Microsoft will naturally dominates North American sales if only they'd drop Kinect and cut the price. Which hasn't happened yet

[turdburgler1080]

I can practically hear people evacuating their bowels on this comment section. Folks are just shaking with furious rage. Pretty sure someone burst a blood vessel from this. Oh N4G.com how can you be so good at bringing together all these shoddy websites to encite such fanboy rage?

[Ares84HU]

Guys,

just stop arguing. This article is a bunch of BS.

Look at the key word:

"Xbox One outsold PS4 last month, according to analyst ESTIMATE"

ESTIMATE

This isn't fact, it's speculation.

[Geekman]

Ps4 and Xbox One fans going back and forth looking at VG charts just proves neither of you has anything to play.

[uth11]

In 2009 Pachter prediced that the Xbox 360/PS3/Wii were going to be the last generation of consoles, because there's 'no money in it' and even if they do, third parties will not support them.

http://www.escapistmagazine...

How can he be so wrong about the market he is paid to cover and retain his job as a securities analyst?

[Haru]

''Xbox One outsold PS4 last month, according to paid by microsoft analyst estimate'' There fixed that for ya, no problem :)

[morganfell]

Amazon has proven to be far more reliable than vgchartz. And will prove it is again this NPD. At some point it isn't just a case of a broken clock being accidentally right twice a day. I have used Amazon, Best Buy, Gamestop, and Walmart numbers since launch and I have been more correct than vgchartz every month.

[Mr Pumblechook]

"...according to fanboy Michael Pachter's guess"!

IMPORTANT:
The article begins with a definitive statement that the Xbox One outsold PS4 last month - which is then qualified at the end that it is just the opinion of an analyst. This is dishonest journalism by Venture Beat's Jeffrey Grub but why did he write the headline that way?
There are two possible reasons. The first is simply to get hits by attracting people to read who are interested in positive XBO news.
The second is more sinister. It has been written with the purpose of coming up when people search for best selling console and it indicates a possible relationship with Microsoft.

Think that nothing dodgy is going? Go to Bing and search for "Best selling console last month" and see what comes out top. I give you a clue, it's Xbox One.

[RedDevils]

Donthate should do stand up comedy hahaha

[Major_Glitch]

Lol at all the Xbox only guys. Oh, so now that there's a small hope the xbone outsold the PS4 for one month, all of a sudden sales matter again. SMH!

[mixolydian_id]

Destiny bundle and halo MCC for 320£?

Best console deal yet. It's a halo fans wet dream... I still haven't taken the plunge... Waiting for my inheritance to come through.

I'm sure I'm not the only one who hasn't bought a console and still doesn't want a ps4

[Angerfist]

You Guys really have no ducking life seriously.

Watching Sales Charts on Amazon dafuq?

People like this need to leave the gaming community. Some goes with the Comment Stalkers and Dualshockers

[VegasDawg]

Please get a life, you should be ashamed of being a fanBOY. Pathetic.

[VealParmHero]

I know pachter is not really favorite around here, but he is just doing a job. his sources are no more or less reliable than anything else except for actual figures from the companies themselves or NPD. I personally find this one a little harder to believe, but I won't be all that shocked. The x1 is sort of shedding the negative image in the eye of the general public, and they have been doing much better in the PR dept. Some great games on the way, and deals where people can get free games, plus the kinectless sku. I meaan, if you approach this with some objectivity, it doesn't seem all that implausible.

As a side note, I know a decent number of people who just got or are getting an x1 this season. Not that a small sample of people I know is really much to go by, but I think people need to stop selling the x1 short. We have two really awesome consoles here, I think people should just stop arguing constantly over them.

[XB1_PS4]

VGCHARTZ MAKES UP THERE NUMBERS, PEOPLE. They were off on the PS3 numbers for like 6 months. There's no possible way of them knowing before NPD.

[PONTIAC08G8GT]

Can someone please explain to me why this is important? Who honestly cares which system sold more? Do you get a % of all PS/X1 sales? Does either company personally thank you for your purchase? Some people are so tied up in console wars it's ridiculous. Buy a PS, buy an Xbox, buy a Wii, who the H#ll cares I mean seriously. Eventually X1 will win a month somewhere along the line so what's the big deal?

[MaxKingoftheWild]

They actually are inaccurate enough to be wrong by that much. However, even if they were wrong by that much in the actual number then we still have evidence that suggests ps4 beat Xbone last month... Meaning vgc would just be off on xb1 as well.

[UltimateMaster]

@Pogmathoin
Patcher's never right about anything.
I could fart better predictions than he can.

[BG11579]

I don't know about the reality of this rumor, but the simple fact of seeing that it's Patcher that explaining this, well, it looses all credibility.

And it doesn't matter that he has good sources, because Patcher... Common!!

[xx4xx]

Nobody on this site ever believes vgchartz...unless it's positive for Sony.

So you'll take that and one retailer as gospel. OK.

Your last sentence - take your own advice.

[Farmassy]

if it is true I honestly think it is because xbox has a better lineup this year. Don't get me wrong, there are games coming out in 2015 that will make me seriously consider purchasing a PS4 but right now xbox just has the better games

2015 is a whole new story

[Assassingamer136]

Patcher is completely wrong ps4 has outsold the xbox one week per week. You're saying with the white destiny bundle, ps4 only sold 250k in September? Yeah...right. not even titanfall week outsold the ps4 let alone this

[Farmassy]

@assassingamer

first of all, calm down. Everything is going to be ok. Second, thats why I said "if it is true."

Never take anything pachter says to be 100% true. The best he can do are educated guesses (a decent amount of which have been wrong in the past). We will have to wait and see what the actual numbers are.

[SilentNegotiator]

I guess Ps4 had the better lineup from November 2013 to July 2014, then.

[Assassingamer136]

Thats the thing, anything he has said has been proven false. Its why he gets so much hate, for the simple fact he gives off stupid analysis bte I disagreed with you because you said the xbox line up is better which is false as well

[memots]

So if they outsold a whole 1 month for 2014 its because Xbo has a better line up ?
what happened the other months ?

[Jason_Plays_PC]

@Farmassy, You try to state as Fact that xb1 has the better lineup of games this yearwith no "imo" in sight..Stop starting arguments.

[stormswrath]

Exactly what games are you referring to?

[stormswrath]

It's funny when people state their opinions as fact.

[avengers1978]

I'd say even patcher, and the rest involved in the article know it's not true. They even say IF THESE NUMBERS HOLD TRUE, Thursday when NPD numbers come out.

[PONTIAC08G8GT]

Good lord @assassingamer136, calm down it's really not that serious. Your coming off as a super-hardcore-die hard Sony fanboy. It's just numbers, who gives a sh*t. PS has outsold Xbox every month so what's the big deal.

Exclusive vs exclusive, the X1 has the better games.

Forza 5 and Horizon > Driveclub
Titanfall > Killzone
Not to mention Halo and Sunset Overdrive coming out soon. Is PS really going to hang their hat on Knack and Infamous? Now when LBP, Gran Turismo, and Uncharted come out, that will be a different story because those games will amaze.

[ThunderSpark]

Pretty sure they predicted the same thing last month and what happened? Pretty sure they predicted the same thing when Titanfall launched and what happened? Pretty sure they'll continue predicting the same bs every month and guess what will continue to happen?

It's time to leave the sales alone. PS4 is killing and Xbox and Wii are selling. It is what it is. Now go enjoy your games.

@above: XBOX having better games is completely subjective. That is your opinion but fact is many people are buying more PS4's than Xbox's because they think the opposite. Go figure.

[16bitNutritionist]

People are buying the PS4 more because of the way MS came across at their unveil early last year. The better games this Christmas are defo on X1..by far..next year...let's see...i believe that if X1 showed that they were much more indie, price and consumer friendly jus like Sony did with the PS4 unveil then both consoles would be extremely close sales wise.

[Hanilugtehul]

Great comment,i 100 procent agree with you:)peace:)

[LordMaim]

People are buying the PS4 because it has a strong exclusive lineup, and every multi-platform game on the console performs the same or better than on the Xbox One.

Having more games doesn't hurt either.

[uptownsoul]

Come on, are we still listening to Pachter push his rhetoric?

[noctis_lumia]

16bitNutritionist
ppl are buyin ps4 because PLAYSTATION is the better brand since 1996 deal with it

[uptownsoul]

@noctis_lumia
I completely agree with you, but you should have posted this comment in the #1.3 comment bracket since that's where @16bitNutritionist made his comment

[Gaming247allday]

Obviously you guys care what Michael Pachter has to say or else this Article would have no comments on it, i hate how fanboys contradict themselves all the time

[DonMingos]

No one cares about what pachter has to say. He is infamous for being always wrong. People comment in here because the title says analyst.
But being pachter it should say "analyst"

[Assassingamer136]

What the hell are you talking about? Why are trolls like you allowed on this site?

[troylazlow]

Good news for MS? NO! This cannot be!!! Everyone is wrong. The sky is FALLING!!!!

[MRMagoo123]

What good news ? It's patcher ffs when is he right ?

[HighResHero]

Hah yeah.
I was going to make a joke like,
"but the analyst was Pachter"
Turns out it actually was Patcher. I don't think it was just a coincidence.

[lelo2play]

"Xbox One outsold PS4 last month, according to analyst estimate"

Well since it's Pachter, it's most likely the X1 didn't outsell the PS4 last month.

[Visiblemarc]

The analyst was Michael Pachter so...take this "information" with a healthy dose of skepticism.

Pachter makes magic eightballs look incredibly clairvoyant.

[ABizzel1]

1. I read the headline, and thought it might be possible.

2. Went to VGC to check the numbers, they have the PS4 up by 130k units for the month in the US. Confused.

3. Went back and read the article, found out the analyst is Pachter.

4. LOL'd

5. Somebody is about to get schooled Pachter or VGC, if I had to choose I'd say it's Pachter. If so it's time to get him out of the industry once and for all. If VGC is wrong it's time to remove them from n4g once and for all. Either way win-win, although I'll miss VGC a bit more than Pachter, only a bit more because Pachter provided me with many lol's from sheer stupidity.

All I can think of is maybe he was misquoted or mistaken and meant to say the PS4 would sale 350k, and the XBO was suppose to sale 250k units. Otherwise, this is going to be a Golden Pachter meme.

[ashen122]

lmao I know pachter is funny as F**K

[Rimfro]

He is hilarious! Like that time when he said the Vita was going to destroy the 3DS. Oh.

People have to brace themselves for the fact that the Xbox One will outsell the PS4, for a month, at some point during this gen. It will be okay.

On another note, just cracked the top 6,000 on the Driveclub leaderboards! The game has been the biggest surprise of fall for me, for good and bad reasons. I've played it more than Horizon. I'm also convinced that the servers will never work properly.

The gaming on consoles this fall has been quite solid. Lots of underrated gems out there right now. Back to Driveclub, and Alien...

[ABizzel1]

@Rimfro

No one's denying that, but the PS4 just sold over 1 million consoles in the month of September, the XBO launched in 3x the regions it was in, and is only in the range of 50% - 65% of the PS4's sales that month.

Every other source clearly has the PS4 in the lead for the month WW and in the 3 major markets. Pachter could be right and everyone else could be wrong, but based on his track record that's highly unlikely. XBO has a chance in November, but September was by far too much in favor of the PS4.

[Bathyj]

People like Bloodsausage.

I still dont see this happening.

[Magicite]

Are they talking about NPD? Then we will find our answer soon.

[ITPython]

If the xbone outsold the PS4 in September I will stick my PS4 in an oven, cook it, then eat it.

Even if the PS4 didn't have Destiny to likely make it the best selling month yet, the XB1 would still not have outsold it.

[KarmaV12]

It wasn't even a deal with the destiny bundle, you still had to pay the price for the game. The console was just white. They didn't cut the price at all.

[stormswrath]

It's not much but you saved 10 bucks, got a white ps4 and a physical copy of Destiny. The physical copy was big for me because I was very disappointed with Destiny so once I completed the story and got bored with the end game content I traded it in to gamestop for 43 bucks which means I really only paid 7 bucks for Destiny. It was a good deal all around for me.

[KarmaV12]

Don't get me wrong, I still love the PS4, just picked up MLB the show and loving it. I did trade in Destiny before I even opened it though :)

[avengers1978]

He says 250,000 for PS4... Then white destiny bundle sold better numbers than that. NPD comes out soon, more crow will be served shortly after that.

[JEECE]

I like how people love to trash on VGchartz even though the site is based on estimates compiled from a sample of retailer sales numbers, and it is always close to the mark. Yes, NPDs are the most accurate, but they only factor in the US (probably why Xbox fans prefer them). The site's true flaw is the failure to account for digital sales, but there's not much they can do about that.

[Blueraven316]

I think ps4 outsold x1 too but using vgchartz isn't smart. Those numbers are never credible

[TwilightSparkle]

Lol

[Retroman]

and-the-BATTLE-begins

flamebait-articles......(MS)o ut-sold-Sony

[CaptainObvious878]

I get super annoyed at titles that refuse to add "in the US", thereby implying it's global. It's kind of an important fact to put the statement into context. There's a very big difference between the world and the US.

Does anyone else get annoyed at this or do I just need to sit down, relax and have a cookie?

[2cents]

could I ask a question of all the people who have posted above that are doing everything possible to prove that the PS4 is indeed still selling faster.

What difference does it make to you as an individual if the Xbox one sells more than the PS4 in any given month? Will any of you somehow be harmed by this? Physical, physiological?

Does the Xbox selling more units somehow take away from the pleasure you have for owning a PS4?

I am really curious to know what goes on in the mind of a 'fanboy' in situations like this.

[otherZinc]

I don't think the XBOX ONE outsold the PS4 last month. It will take more time for PS4 fans to understand they have terrible exclusive games that doesn't work online...See Drive Club.

However, when SONY is fully exposed, for showing all graphics & no gameplay, the tide will turn. ..See The Order 1886 with 4 players, no Campaign Co-op, and very stupid pop-up AI.

[illAmpRefugee]

I just doubt X1 will win this gen 4 this main reason America likes reliable pro ducts and lets all be honest many ppl who bought 360 last fen went through multiple 360s i myself had bought a 360 bout 6 months after launch and the console broke twice on me within 6mnths after i got it fixed the second time the first disk reader came up within a week i got pissed and sold it and bought ps3 but did end up buying another 360 about 2 1/2 yrs later cus im a gamer. But thats a shame though cus i liked 360 but its reliability ruined my xbox experience last gen and i knw my story is not a isolated incident many ppl went through multiple 360s... So. my point is 360s were so unreliable many ppl refuse to invest a large amount of money into any 360 related products including the x1 . cUs lets face it Americans love to save money and protect there wallets and after last gen buying xboxs is considered risky in some ppls eyes now .. But i do believe xbox 1 wont just get killed this gen 2 to 1 like it is now ithat would be insane but i doubt they win this gen in sells

[illAmpRefugee]

@FLEECEJOHNSON75 AM I NOT SPPUASED TO BRING THT up 360 had horrible fail rates no shits real not gonna throw it under ghe rug like u just tried or try to compare it 2 ps2s that were still more reliabilite thn a 360 on 360s best day stop ignoring the facts 360 is easily considered the most unreliable gaming console of all time #33%defective rate FACT not saying the system is a bad gaming console cause its not it was just commonly unreliable hardware #fact and wether u want 2 believe it or not tht has turned many gaming consumers away from the X1 . Im unbiased i like both systems this gen and last and will end end up buying X1 soon just honestly perfer sony playstations tht y i decided 2 buy ps4 1st x1 later.._

[1Victor]

I love this type of fairy tales stories on n4g they bring the best and brightest out to shine .oh BTW by reading the title and source I knew it was a patcher article only him will come out with such a prediction

[stubbed_out]

Will be very surprised if it comes out top in the UK where it was bundled with FIFA. Retailers went wild and started creating their own FIFA PS4 bundles.

Usually pretty skeptical about 'analysts' but I have faith in Pachter. Good for Xbox if that it is the case.

[Halo2ODST2]

Let the Flame Wars begin. Not trolling cause that's what the writer had in mind when typing something of such an inflammatory subject.

[qwerty676]

"according to Wedbush Morgan analyst Michael Pachter."

moving on nothing to see here.

[Gaming247allday]

Good for Xbox, they have made a lot of right moves lately contrary to what you may hear from fanboys, and they deserve success for it, this is the most i ever seen a gaming company listen to the fans!

[CaptainObvious878]

I would argue they're just listening to the sounds of $$$ or lack there or in this case.

If they were really concerned about listening to the gamer they wouldn't be in the situation they are now because they would have never considered their draconian DRM.

[Halo2ODST2]

I'm on the Xbox side, but releasing Fifa with their falling Console is not listening to their fans, it get cheap increase in sales, any console that release a Free game with it will increase their sales, it's a cheap shot & they should try better, Phil Spencer has said he is listening to the consumers, well he hasn't yet shown anything to prove that. It's a Cheap A$$ tactic to sell units, & why is this thread filled with Sony Fanboys ??? this is an Article relating to Xbox, we should be the Majority here, Mysteries!

[MASTER_RAIDEN]

Exactly. Xbox hasnt outsold the ps4 once in its lifetime and may not actually do so for quite a while by the way things are going. Whatever backwards logic some annalist has convinced people of, ill just go ahead and wait for the official numbers instead.

Either way I think even though the xbox lags behind in comparison to the ps4, both are actually selling incredibly well in comparison to their prev gen counterparts, which in my oppinion are the numbers that REALLY matter. both playstation and xbox got some hugeee raises going from last gen to this gen. Props to both.

[Outthink_The_Room]

Actually the XB1 outsold PS4 in December. I think that is the only month it had an edge sales wise.

[MRMagoo123]

Wasn't that a week in December and even then it was only the US world wide ps4 was still ahead. Outselling in just the US means squat if it doesn't outsell world wide because the gap just keeps growing just slower.

[kneon]

Yup, last December the xb1 was ahead, but only because finding a ps4 that month was near impossible.

[ITPython]

XB1 outsold the PS4 once in December. But that was only because PS4 stock was completely dried up everywhere and impossible to find, while mountains of XB1's lined the walls of every major and minor electronics store all across the US.

I feel bad for the kids who received XB1's because their parents couldn't find any PS4's and just didn't know any better.

[Double_O_Revan]

The exact reply I was going to post.

Also: 'He is estimating'......oh yea, Very reliable.

[bleedsoe9mm]

if its true that would be a huge win for ms in a month where sony had destiny launching . maybe all the nfl advertising is paying off for ms .

[Farmassy]

but both consoles had destiny launching... also destiny wasn't very good

[SmielmaN]

C'mon, Destiny is awesome except for one thing (online all the time)

[Volkama]

Personally I expected a Sony whitewash for September, and didn't think MS could get close until November (COD and Halo blitz).

If they got anywhere near in September... Then I under-estimated Madden (which to be honest hadn't figured into my thinking at all because.... Well American football is not really a thing where I'm from).

[Outthink_The_Room]

I don't think you're off at all. September to me was EASILY a PS4 win. It would be crazy to think that the XB1 pulled ahead.

October, in my opinion is the real toss-up, could go either way. Sunset Overdrive is really the big showcase piece for XB1 and I'm not sure how that'll turn out.

I think November is where the XB1 wins, for the same reasons you stated. If MS can sneak a September win, it definitely shows that they might have a big holiday.

[oSHINSAo]

and there comes Sunset overdrive Bundle... and then, Halo MCC Bundle, time to catch up Sony

[Paprika]

I think his guess is literally because there was like a difference of less than 10k consoles sold between the two. You could swing it either way who was +/- though.

But, I'd still bank on ps4 being on the +. But Microsoft had chinas boost, bringing it up to ps4's range, along with forza etc. Basically, VGcharts say ps4, this guy says Xbox.... take your pic...

But last month.... no way is he right. Not without China's figures, not during destiny release period, not even during FIFA's period, FIFA destroyed Xbox with its ps4 figures.

[bleedsoe9mm]

i think they are just talking about US sales . if you follow the nfl xbox one is getting mentioned every hour and sponsoring team websites/radio/podcasts .

@Paprika even a tie would be a minor victory , at least not losing more ground in their home territory

[Paprika]

US sales, I guess that sounds more realistic. It was only a year or two ago Xbox ruled the US anyway. Still, would be really close if they managed it IMO.

[Subaruwrx]

The combined sales of the standard PS4 sku and the Destiny bundle easily out paced X1 sales in the US last month - check out US Amazon best sellers and even Vgchartz, which has historically under tracked Sony products, if you need convincing. Pachter loves MS and Xbox and has always tainted his analysis of the video game market with his bias.

[mcstorm]

Didn't the Xbox one just claim its 1st top sales in the UK with FIFA? If that's true then the USA could also be true.

Be interesting to see the numbers when they are officially out and if its true that's great news for Microsoft and the Xbox.

For me I want all 3 to do well. I don't care who comes out top but I really don't want to see Nintendo, Sony or Microsoft fail in the gaming industry as I think all 3 are good for each other.

[Ju]

^^^ yeah in the second week after Sony destroyed it at it's launch week...

[mcstorm]

JU I was talking about this http://www.gamespot.com/art...
not the opening week come on read before you comment daft statements like that.

Why do people get so defensive over console sales? Dose it really change anything in your life?

Just buy what you like and let other people buy what they like and get on with life instead of bickering

[aceitman]

Even with China ps4 still outsold x1 world wide that week.

[Kayant]

“I kind of think that free Destiny [on Xbox One] was better than [paying] for Destiny on PS4,” Pacther told GamesBeat. He also noted the appeal of the Madden bundle. “That’s pretty compelling.”

I don't know if Pacther is serious anymore if he thinks PS4 will lose by about 75k units in Destiny month. And loool at the Madden bundle being compelling it's like he missed last month's results(Which he was off by). PS4 outsold the XB1 and PS4 madden outsold it software wise even if you included XB1 madden bundle sales.

There is very little chance that the one week promo was enough to beat PS4 for the month. Amazon that has always been right with hardware sales monthly puts the PS4 easily ahead.

Sometimes I wonder how this guy has a job.

[DVS-Zev]

aha.No.

[WeAreLegion]

...in the US. And even that's a stretch. I personally think those numbers are way off. The Destiny PS4 bundle was selling like crack in the US.

[LetoAtreides82]

Bookmarking this to laugh at Pachter when the NPD results come in.

[LetoAtreides82]

NPD: PS4 was the top selling console, almost trippling its August's sales.

So tripple August numbers would put it at around 550k, Pachter was only off by 300k...

[tiffac008]

Well Pachter sure made the upcoming NPD numbers exciting to wait. xD

[98xpresent]

This is about to get interesting. I want Proof though.

[Lucreto]

I have no idea where he is getting his numbers from.

Using Amazon as a trend they Xbox didn't even break the top 10. While the Destiny bundle was in the top 10 for weeks.

Even now Xbox is sitting on number 34 while PS4 is sitting on number 11.

On Amazon's Best Sellers of 2014 the Titanfall bundle is sitting on 46 and the solo console is sitting on 47, while the PS4 is sitting on number 4 with the solo console and 32 for destiny bundle.

[hello12]

Sony fans will be in full meltdown mode if this turns out to be true lol

Its only a prediction and those numbers seem really high for x box 1.

I'll wait and see what happens. If Michael is wrong hes going to get awful abuse on Neogaf and here!

Forza Horizon was well received so it could have helped, Microsoft with September sales?

Jaqen@ If those numbers hold up its a huge win for Microsoft we are talking about September people predicted a big win for Sony that month in the US.

Microsoft updates its console with new features every month, its first party games are well received by the gaming media and users. x box 1 rarely has online issues, PSN has troubles every month. Better game line up for Christmas period.

I'm not saying those numbers are true, but word of mouth is everything, and the majority of x box users are happy.

[user7402931]

Got news for ya, Ps4 will continue to beat the living piss out of the weak xbox one and continue to outsell it everywhere. how does it feel microsoft? losing in your own territory? its got to suck. sony are killing you.

[RyujiDanma]

sucha pony

[MelvinTheGreat]

Never understand fanboys, they get all worked up ovr a pieace of plastic. I see most from the sony camp. Cool you have a ps4, great, good for you. No one cares honestly. Its people like you that are ruining the gaming community. Like just chill the f out and play games.

[Jaqen_Hghar]

full meltdown? Because PS4 lost in one territory one month (the One's strongest territory at that)?

First of all it's obvious he's wrong here even factoring in a large margin of error it appears PS4 outsold Xbox by a pretty decent margin. Second of all Amazon indicated it's not true. Third of all if we look at the past when Xbox has offered a free game such as Titanfall or Madden it hasn't helped. So every bit of logic and other indicators goes against this. It would be surprising but hardly a large victory for Xbox to win in the US considering it's one of 2 territories where it's actually relevant (the UK being the other). Still doesn't help the bloodbath in Europe or the rest of the world. Remember last gen when 360 beat PS3 by a good margin in both of those territories and they still weren't able to win worldwide? If PS4 even keeps it close in those 2 territories plus not giving them a year's head start this gen will continue to be a bloodbath in favor of PS4. Hardly worth a meltdown.

[Eonjay]

Its predicted to beat the PS4 in one region in one month by one person. The same person who predicted that the Wii would fail. Wait for NPD.

[Jaqen_Hghar]

To be clear a man does not think Pachter is right (read both paragraphs guys) but he is simply saying that a meltdown prediction is ridiculous because it would hardly be a great victory for Xbox considering this is its home territory. The fact that PS4 is winning there is very bad for Xbox and shows PS4's dominance sales wise.

[DarXyde]

Are people really speculating right now?

It's not going to be long before we see official numbers, so this is pretty much pointless.

As always, we'll see...

[BLKxSEPTEMBER]

*Checks the weather in hell* Yep its frozen over...

[BitbyDeath]

What do we have to do around here to get Pachter banned from this site?

Can we make this his last wrong call?
If he gets this one wrong then N4G should ban him for good.

[badz149]

the likelihood of banning Pachter on N4G is just as likely as banning VGChartz! might happen but it won't because they almost always stir controversies and controversies bring clicks and comments.

[Sarobi]

He is N4G's favorite clickbait, so I doubt they'll ever consider banning his opinions/estimates from this site.

[corroios]

Wait, if the Xbox wins one month sales are important? Lol. What about «you dont play with sales» and all that talk?

[Bdub2000]

I randomly picked your comment to reply to, as I have seen numerous comments with the same rhetoric. What's funny to me is that all I'm reading in this comments section is PS4 guys explain how this is ridiculous and can't be true. I'm not seeing many (if any) xbox guys jump on this news. So, no xbox guys are really commenting and they're still getting slammed...

Forwhat iit's worth, even If Microsoft pulled off beating Sony for one month, I agree that no one should be celebrating, there's too much ground to cover for one month of sales to mean anything significant.

[MRMagoo123]

Yeh you don't seem to see much when it comes to xbone fanboys huh ....... kinda strange right.

[DougLord]

First of all this is just US, so it's not that unbelievable that MSFT will win a month every once in awhile. They have won weeks before. In fact with MCC and SO, they are gonna move a lot of consoles in the next 3 months. I wouldn't be surprised if they win Xmas. Not saying it's 100% guaranteed, just a possibility.

[Automatic79]

Sales don't matter enjoy the system of your choice and let's continue to support gaming. For me I am having fun on Xbox One.

[lemoncake]

When did gamers become so boring.

[Fizzler]

http://i3.kym-cdn.com/photo...

[zero_gamer]

Some of my friends picked up an Xbox One for Forza 2 and the upcoming SSO. Not sure if Patcher is right (he almost never is), but there's little doubt that the Xbox One is picking up in sales this fall given the exclusive content in its release forecast. MS is doing something right.

[1nsomniac]

There's no doubt the Xbone will be selling better due to the consistent release of improved firmwares & what looks like the first must have game in Forza Horizon 2 BUT 2 words make this article completely irrelevant.

1) "analyst"
2) "Estimate"

Those 2 words alone voids anything & everything related to it.

[vongruetz]

Michael Pachter is not an analyst, he is a hack with a nice office. He is constantly trying to keep his 15 minutes of celebrity status. His time is up.

I think the white Destiny PS4 probably outsold the XB1 by itself.

[Sm00thNinja]

You people take this stuff too personal! Destiny is so mediocre why are we praying for it's success even on PS4

[Apex13]

I have a ps4 and tbh xbox looks more compelling. Ps has the edge on graphics but it isn't the be all end all of games play.

[Butters360]

I don't know how ANY one can believe this from Patcher.

Proof from Adam Boyes, Vice President, Developer and Publisher Relations, SCEA: "The game broke records for being the fastest purchased and most played PS4 game during its first week on sale. In fact, last week was our single biggest PS4 hardware sales week since Christmas 2013! That’s a lot of PS4s."

Yeah okay Patcher, ONLY 250,000 PS4's were sold.

[jetlian]

Ps4 sold less than 900k in december, how much exactly noone knows. Adam also doesnt say it was more than xmas week.

[Evolve]

Speculation, people! There's a 0 solid number or confirmed news.

[StormLegend]

I'll wait for this to be confirmed..

[IGiveHugs2NakedWomen]

My guess on the official numbers:

PlayStation 4 12.5 to 13.2 million units sold through

Xbox One 7.8 to 8.3 million units sold (?)

[neocores]

Lol xbox has yet to break to 6mil where are u gettign 7.8 and 8.3 lol

[IGiveHugs2NakedWomen]

That's why it's called a GUESS...

Humble pie can go a long if you savor the taste.

[Flamingweazel]

250 k in a 5 week month with the destiny bundle...sony had there biggets week since last xmas....pachter is a moron and always slants towards MS..he is going to look foolish this thursday, this is way off base.

[JMyers]

Free TitanFall couldn't do it.
Dropping Kinect couldn't do it.
Lowering the price couldn't do it
Reversing everything STILL didn't do it.

Will a free game do it? Let's wait for the NPDs.

[Ch1d0r1]

Well if that doesn't work they can do free xbox LIFE for a year.

[RosweeSon]

Clues in the title its an Estimate, let's just deal with the facts and figures.

[TheTwelve]

Pachter wrong for the 1,000th time!

[AidenPearce]

"......according to Wedbush Morgan analyst Michael Pachter."

Now I'm not saying Patcher is a hack, I'm just saying a blind guy has a better chance of finding a needle in a haystack than Pathcer has a chance of predicting something right.

[nucky64]

it's a Michael Pachter estimate and it's being treated as fact???.....RIIIIIIIIGHT.

[AutoCad]

even if it did,who cares really, besides investors?

[corroios]

Lol, Xbox one jump from 5 million to to to seven.... Maybe in december...

[PCBOX]

The tears of Sony fanboys. Very big pleasure to see. For God sake are you getting Salory or something from Sony? Why does it matter that much for you?

[kurruptor]

Only tears from us Sony guys are from laughing so hard at this prediction.

[mhunterjr]

I don't see it....

I think Destiny lead to an increase in both consoles sales, but naturally, the Ps4 would have benefited more...

I know a lot of people who took advantage of the free Xbox games promotion, but enough to counter Sony's marketing deal? I don't see it.

[DJ]

....nah.

[noctis_lumia]

the only time xbo MIGHT surpass the ps4 in sales for 2month MAX not more is when halo milking collection comes out

[OC_MurphysLaw]

I predict... a lot of predictions will be made in this thread. I further predict no matter what the truth is we will have many saying " I predicted this ".

I will also add that the disc version of "Console Sales Watching the Game" will not come to retail and only a digital version will exist.

[troylazlow]

Good job MS! Let them have this one guys...

[ShiranaiJittai]

Actually I can confirm they are right. I work in retail Gamestop specifically. This is the first month since both systems have released that the Xbox One has surpassed the PS4 but it definitely did.

I had so many customers coming up to me saying they were getting it on Xbox One for several reasons the top three were

Outright defiance that Bungie gave the exclusive content to Sony instead of Xbox.

The abundance of network errors and issues people received (Which had to do with Destiny not the PS4 or Xbox One) So you would have a bunch of people who got pissed off it wasn't working on their PS4 and would trade in their PS4 towards Xbox One with me keep trying to tell them that it was the game's servers not the system itself.

Peer Pressure or wanting to transfer achievements

Halo fans who said they would rather be able to play both "Halo games" on the same system explaining that if they wanted to play Destiny and Halo they were better off just getting an Xbox One.

Granted it wasn't a landslide victory by any means but Xbox One definitely won last month. The really funny thing is those numbers didn't even occur when Destiny launched but in the last two weeks of September. We have not sold out of the PS4 once since the second week of September we have sold out of Xbox One FOUR TIMES. even having said that though less Xbox Ones ship than PS4's do. So if we would get say 10 PS4's and 6 Xbox Ones we would sell four of those PS4's before getting 6 more. but we would sell all 6 Xbox One's and be out of stock for a day or two before getting 6 more. Sony has an advantage in shipping as well as they ship 3 units in one box and Microsoft can only ship 2.

They are most likely going to claim this month as well.

I prefer the Playstation 4 but there are finally some good games coming out for Xbox One that are actually exclusive coming out this fall. Until Little Big Planet, and Dragon Age (well aware Dragon Age is not an exclusive but Playstation almost always has more RPG's than Microsoft on their system so expect people getting a new system and getting Dragon Age to skew towards Sony.)Until Little Big Planet and Dragon Age come out expect Microsoft to dominate in September and October.

Sony's lead is diminishing but it is enough of a gain that Microsoft isn't so much going to "catch up" as just not be a 3 to 1 ratio.

[kurruptor]

Because we should base the whole country's sales on your little store?

[ShiranaiJittai]

No of course not. All I am saying is that I am seeing "evidence" of what is being claimed with my own eyes.

My store is one of 6000 something stores. I was more commenting on the irony that it wasn't the free game when destiny released that boosted their sales. It was all the other reasons I mentioned. My store doesn't even account for. 0.001% of the worldwide sales all I am saying is usually I would laugh a claim like that off, but I have seen a complete 180 in the store I work at. By no means is my store representative of the entirety of the numbers.

[Chevalier]

Store to store will be extremely different and not indicative of much. I work at EB Games and since Destiny launched my store has sold 150+ PS4 and only about 2 dozen Xbox Ones in the same time frame. My stock this weekend was 3 dozen PS4's and we only had 3 Xbox Ones. We only sold 1 Xbox One in the time we sold 10-12 PS4 this weekend. There isn't a single store out of the 9 in my city where Xbox One comes close.

We had the same promotion for 4 days of Destiny Launch and we sold maybe 6 Xbox Ones. Except we already had 80 preorders for PS4 Destiny bundle and we've since then have recieved 3 dozen more since selling out of Destiny bundle. Our preorders alone were more than the Xbox One launch.

[Macdaddy71]

In due time all the 360ers gamers will move on to X1 n Sony will see a next gen race, true gamers as my self will buy both in the first place

[AutoCad]

Halo and COD will cause this jump...

[DJustinUNCHAIND]

The insecurity is so strong in this thread.

[FITgamer]

So is the delusion. The fact that anyone is even entertaining the idea that this "prediction" is right is sad.

[PureTruth]

It's pretty logical in business that a competitor might have a better month...can they do it consistently is the real question. More importantly you also have to look at the life cycle of a product. If there's any statistical time to look at this "console war", it'll be on January 1st once the holiday sales and entire year is taken into account. Then again at the end of next year. Looking at one month sales is insignificant.

[Mrveryodd]

If Sony don't get psn sorted the xbox one will start to eat into there early lead.

[Mikey Mike]

"These Wedbush numbers are just a prediction" nuff said. People don't read....

[ScaryMonkey]

Stopped reading afetr Michael Pachter, LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL.

[larrysdirtydrawss]

usually we say,wait for npd,,but THIS is such massive bullshit,theres no need to wait

[gamertk421]

Did I miss the rally?

[ibrake4naps]

i went playstation this round and i hope xbox1 outsold ps4 last month. Competition is good for gamers...

[Killzoner99]

It must be April fools day already , because I know the Xbone didnt come close to outselling the PS4.

[Vanfernal]

Must be nice to get paid for taking shots in the dark. It's a sad time in video games when idiots like Pachter and Molyneux get so much press.

[JonnyBigBoss]

The Xbox One is such a fantastic console.

[StrawberryDiesel420]

I bought mine at Best Buy and got Xbone w/out Kinect, TitanFall, Dead Rising 3, 13 Months of Live, and two years of Gamers Club Rewards(a $120 value, new games are $52 rather than $65 plus a ton of other rewards) all for $517 tax included. It was such steal and I'm so glad I waited! If PS4 still outsold Xbone with deals like that M$ is in deep trouble.

[Ryan741]

Makes sense, its definitely the most attractive games console going into Christmas.

[IIFloodyII]

It's a Michael Pachter estimation so the PS4 as probably outsold it 2-1.

[Revengeance]

It seems only Xbox fanboys are taking this as the truth. They know it can't outsell the PS4 especially when it shows on VGchartz so they take Pachter's word for it.

[bigboirock]

Who cares lol

[FITgamer]

When someone feels the need to let people know they don't care, it means they care. If you didn't you wouldn't even have clicked on the article.

[bigboirock]

I like to read people's arguments some times I personally don't care

[Tedakin]

Well honestly what's there to play on PS4 for the rest of the year? Not fanboying, it's just truth. Drive Club's reviews were bad. XBone just got Forza, and has KI Season 2, Halo and Sunset Overdrive around the corner, plus the goodies they're throwing in lately. Xbox bouncing up seems obvious.

[brew]

That's some fanboyism , combined with some ignorance.

Driveclub got ok reviews - 72 Metacritic.

Killer Instinct was 73 , so should that be ignored ?

The main ones for PS4 (retail)

Guilty Gear XrD
LittleBigPlanet 3
Driveclub

There's plenty of good things to play. Also ... Dust , Spelunky , and Pix the Cat just hit PS+ recently. Who knows what's in store next. So many goodies.

[Fkhalf16]

any info on Western release date for Guilty Gear Xrd yet? I read rumors to be in December release. Love the soundtrack and the art style, newbie to Guilty Gear Xrd.

[Predaking77]

Xbox fanboys should stay neutral with this rumor because if not, everyone is going to eat them alive if the NDP numbers show the PS4 won once again.

[OUROSMAG]

I read the title and knew it was pachter.

[dafegamer]

Michael patcher seriously. The official statement from Sony is that monthly sales are at an alltime high, since December 2013. Destiny has sold many PS4's, white and black version

[Flames76]

Im sure they did the XOne sold like 325,000 like month in america and around 650,000 worldwide due to launching in 29 other countrys.I believe the XOne is at 6 million sold right now around 6.8 million shipped.We will know on october 23.Very nice microsoft this is what happens when you do the right thing for gamers.

[dafegamer]

no way the xbox one is at 6 million sold.

[Ra3030]

Before I post my sales numbers for the month of September and these numbers come from a inside source I gotta say the source where their getting their info from needs to be outed. Pacther should say why he would say such a thing because my source says Pacther is waaaay outta line and the PS4 out sold the X1 in the USA again and the world wide sells the PS4 crushed it. Maybe Pacther got shipped numbers maybe he got confused idk. I kinda like to hear the guy speak but that statement was a joke. Ok my inside source says sells for Sept 2014 for the PS4 in the United States 320k rounded down a couple k and for the Xbox One 215k rounded up a couple k. World wide sales for the PS4 960k consoles sold rounded down a few k and the Xbox One 475k console solds and that's right at the number for the X1. Something is fishy about the Pacther statement and he should clear that up and I hope and believe at some point he will.

[Khronikos]

Can someone explain to me why people go into meltdowns about a faceless corporation's product? Are these people retarded?

[GodGinrai]

I dunno..But Im just here for the comments. Have some popcorn.

[McCanick]

I have to make a comment about this PS4 vs. Xbox one. You like your PS4 then good for you. If I like the Xbox One, then good for me.

[NotAfanBoyy]

3ds ftw lol

[OB1Biker]

Ok

[iceicelandic]

This is North America only, PS4 has a huge lead in Europe.

Also it's good for competition that both parties are equal, more for the gamers.

[SojournUK]

'Estimate'...

[kalimero2]

Patcher: 'No One Cares if I'm Right Except Fanboys'

http://n4g.com/news/669495/...

[BobBelcher]

Instead of saying, "If true then congrats!" we have 3 pages worth of internet dribble...

If this IS true, then congrats Xbox One and keep on keeping on.

[Coach_McGuirk]

i think you guys spend more time on here defending corporations than you spend actually playing games. oh right, that's because you're constantly waiting for that next hype title to get released.

[poor_cus_of_games]

Or maybe they are like myself who is currently on a lunch break at work just browsing the Internet and commenting on n4g on their smart phone.

[Coach_McGuirk]

lol OK man. Enjoy your lunch

[mananimal]

No Way and I don't believe one word of this article lmao ......Xbox 1 did not beat out the PS4 in September no way now how.

Lies and deception. Period.

[Hysteria94]

Jb hifi here in Australia as an epic bundle https://www.jbhifi.com.au/f...

[blady_man]

I dont care!! I own both lol

[Ravi2012PSN]

LMFAO XD. When i read the title, i was coming in to congratulate xbots, utnil i realised its Patcher XD what a joke. PS4tw

[Lukebb91]

All of the stuff on here about games and people are debating about console sales lol

[corroios]

Patcher... Lol .Driveclub just sold more then one million in a week...And crush the competition... Without one year start microsoft cant handle sony sales wise. The trend is crystal clear. It can have more sales one months with halo but just that.

[MelvinTheGreat]

I bet if patcher said something positive about the ps4 everyone would be like "i think patcher is riggt for once" or "patcher has made some bad calls before, but now hes right on the money" and similar such comments.

[MasterCornholio]

My question is why are Xbox fans so desperate for good news that they latch onto someone like Patcher for it?

Do they place Patchers credibility over sources like NPD for information like this?

In my opinion no one should use Patcher for any sort of prediction because 90% of the time he's wrong.

[GodGinrai]

"My question is why are Xbox fans so desperate for good news that they latch onto someone like Patcher for it?"

Funny you should say that. The majority of this thread is comments from PS4 fans preemptively telling Xbox gamers "not a chance". LMAO!

Im just here for the comments.

[kurruptor]

Well if Pachter said PS4 outsold Xbox One in September... then yes that would probably be true.

Just like if he would have said that last month when he was wrong again.

[MasterCornholio]

Well Patcher said this.

I don't need to say anything else......

[WitWolfy]

In RSA you get like 3 free games with some of Xbone bundles for a AWESOME price. I'm glad some gamers are getting good value for their money.

[buyakabuyaka6199]

Nope. Not possible. Patcher is wrong as usual.

[ScorpiusX]

Well good for MS & Company may these results continue to favor them , keep bringing the games.

[sovkhan]

Patcher...Hahahaha!!!

Nuff said ;)

[Mikey Mike]

The new numbers were Bundle units sent to stores HAHA... oh Patch you kill me...

[SliceOfTruth888]

ugh why do people care about this crap....patcher, system sales, fanboys....like a cheap wizard of oz knock off

[hobbitooo]

let them fight, i still like ps4.

[Jag-T1000]

Time to regain the lead!

[DirtyLary]

All those poor kids. People told them to get a PS4 because its the better console. 1 week later they are still waiting to play DriveClub..

[enduro]

Why does it matter-the same flippn' debate that has been going on since Genesis vs. SNES. If it bothers you that much, get both and then you're "covered". In the end it's all about the exclusives which I thought pretty much sucked for BOTH, along with a bunch of so-so cross-platforms.

[jnemesh]

Like it's often said...you are entitled to your own OPINION, not your own FACTS! Pachter is a shill, paid and owned by Microsoft. He is more often wrong than right, and this article is no different. He is going to be embarrassed by the official NPD numbers, when they come out.

tl;dr version: BULLSHIT!

[rapidturtle]

I grabbed the Madden bundle. It was a great deal. No Kinect plus a new release game. I am a happy gamer.

[S2Killinit]

OHHHH its Patcher!! The analyst is a work for hire, and quite often a MS mouth piece, his word is worthless. There is literally nothing to support the contention that xbox outsold the PS4. From a variety of independent sources, Ps4 outsold xbox and it wasnt even close. Patcher is not an analyst, he is a mouthpiece for hire.

[tlougotg]

Yeah sure Microsoft outsold Ps4 in china lol Get it! FOH with this bs we all know Ps4 also destroyed the competition this month as well.

[Picnic]

It'll probably outsell the PS4 again when the Sunset Overdrive bundle comes out.

[BillytheBarbarian]

Who is buying into all this trash. Xbox one and Ps4 are just the same crap as last generation. Only now games barely work out of the box without the internet to download patches and the other half of the game. Pffft.

[ELpork]

Great, systems are selling, thus games will be made.

[fr3d0]

It didnt outsell the ps4 lol....everyone knows xbone is getting thrashed

[CertifiedGamer]

Vgchartz seems to disagree with this title statement

[TheBanditKing]

lol no. This just did not happen, Destiny was the best selling game in September and the PS4 version easily outsold the X1 and the PS4 was bundled with the best selling game. I'm willing to bet that those numbers are more then reversed. Still we will see.

[pop-voxuli]

Someone forgot to carry the "2" when adding up the figures!

[kenshiro100]

So, after having the PS4 murdering the XB1 in sales, the XB1 is going to suddenly outsell the PS4.

You're funny Mr.Analyst Guy.

[Fkhalf16]

He's talking about US market where its actually close. worldwide, its the same story since Jan this year

[polloloco]

sells are out and xbone got murdered in US again

[Fkhalf16]

@polloloco

Yeah Just read it, WOW!! patcher been smoking too much of that green stuff

[Claudinho69]

this time around the xbox fans say the numbers dont matter, but if one time xbox sells more than the ps4, its a party in paradise for them