PS4 1080p vs Xbox One 900p Comparison Screens Show It Isn't A Gigantic Leap, Only Small Differences

GP: "This is setting a dangerous precedent for developers, who might now worry about their imagine and resolution more than gameplay. Don't you think it's a worrying factor that developers have to come out in open and make announcements and comments on Resolution/FPS figure rather than detailing fans some finer new features and points about the game."

[Daz]

The consoles have upscalers which even it out between them too.

But this quote from the artical i like...

" Don't you think its high time now that fan war should stop, arguing and fighting on these pity issue. This current-gen gaming has evolved in reverse direction, nowadays gameplay is not much important, it's about which game runs at higher resolution, pixels and FPS. What exactly happened to the love for the gameplay? it took a back-seat.".

[geddesmond]

900p to 1090p won't be a huge difference but anyone who has FF14 can switch that game between 720p and 1080p from the settings and there is a big difference when doing that.

But what about the gameplay. Fact is the gameplay always matters to gamers but most games these debates take place on are sequels to games that gamers already know what the gameplay is like. Thousands of AI does not add to the gameplay, it adds more to the games setting. Do you honestly think people would notice the difference between 1000 AI on screen at the same time compared to 500 AI. No they won't and all that AI won't add better gameplay. If it will can someone please explain to me how it makes an AC games gameplay better?

[bennissimo]

lol

The difference in the gameplay between Dead Rising 1&2 and Dead Rising 3 couldn't be more dramatic.

Why?

The bazillion frickin' zombies onscreen at any one moment.

[Daz]

dead rising 3 is a good exmaple. Much more to blow up with mega bomb :P

[Volkama]

There is AI as in NPCs following basic scripts, and then there is AI. Console games are nowhere near 500 proper AI at once.

Killzone devs were bragging that they could have 24 at once on shadowfall. Would you notice a difference between say 24 AI and a whole city full? That'd be a more interesting feature to talk about than resolution Imo (which is why I am interested in how cloud compute developed).

[donthate]

I think the law of diminishing return applies regardless if it is resolution, frame rate, enemies on screen or any other metric.

Point being if you 900p vs 1080p, the difference is marginal at best. Same if you have 500 or 1000 enemies on screen, or if you have 60 fps or 120 fps.

The difference is there no doubt, but do you really care when it comes down to it?

For the longest time since launch of current generation system, the question has always been is it 1080p and 60fps?

What we got was some really bad games all running at 1080p like Destiny and DriveClub. DriveClub aimed for 60fps to boot. Both games were terrible and lacked content.

Instead Titanfall ran at 792p is a huge blast to play, and so is Diablo 3 that originally was sub 1080p. The Last of Us is another great game that ran on previous generation hardware. Bumping it up in graphics made it marginally better, but I didn 't enjoy it any more than the first time around.

What we should be demanding is:

* better story and story telling
* better game mechanic
* better AI
* more content
* cloud powered (we don't want another DriveClub launch) and dedicated servers

Vokama:

The AI in Forza 5 was amazing using Driveatar.

The type of AI you can get out of the cloud even if it was pre-computed, but learned from the massive data available will make it far better than anything a mere console can do even if you used every once of the console for AI.

The computational power, and the data (think data mining) available make it ideally suitable for AI.

[Eonjay]

So if a console is capable of 1080p, it should be reduced to 900p? If a PC is capable of 1440p, it should be reduced to 1080p? No.

[Docknoss]

I don't even see difference

[troylazlow]

I have old eyes, I can rarely tell the difference from screen shots, but when I am playing a game I can't tell the difference between 900p and 1080p, and when you add in upscalers there is no way for me to tell. I just want fun games. MAKE MORE OF THEM NOW!!!!

[LordDhampire]

Donnthate, that's crazy because my cellphone racing games can do the same shit

[GameNameFame]

Looks obvious to me

http://i.minus.com/ida3SiBB...

[theshonen8899]

While I agree that graphics aren't nearly as important as gameplay, I'd like to point out that shrinking a 1080p/900p pictures into four times smaller sizes would obviously make the differences less obvious.

[geddesmond]

@Bennissimo.

Yeah a game like Dead Rising is all about killing tonnes of zombies with all different types of weapons and other things you might find. On that game more AI adds to the gameplay. On AC all the AI does is get in your way, allow you to pickpocket them and provide hiding places. Oh and annoy the crap out of you a lot.

[morganfell]

Screenshots have never, ever been representational of the quality of a game and relying on them to pass some holy judgement on what is right is pure idiocy.

In addition, holding developers feet to the fire is good for gaming. We have already reached the point where console games have suddenly become massive patchfests.

I give these people money for what is supposed to be a cutting edge product. I won't let them off the hook on anything. I do not need nor do I want a proven incompetent site like gamepur.com telling me what my dollar is worth.

[BitbyDeath]

The images aren't 900p or 1080p size, comparison fail.

[Ezz2013]

1.those comparison images aren't even 900p or 1080p size..lol...this article is a huge fail

2.there is difference between 1080p and 900p
Xone fans need to stop saying other wise
ask any PC gamer and he will tell you the same thing

3.Xone fans need to drop the act that they don't care about Gfx/Fps...they care....alot
just look at them last gen when DF say xbox360 have a bit better textuers or a little more Res
look at how they act
i still remember what they did when RDR,GTA4,Mafia II come out...and those are just examples

this flip flopping Xone fans are doing this gen about how they only care about "Fun" and developers should focus on Gampelay not Gfx just because they got the weakest console on the market
is quite sad ....why they didn't act like that last gen then ?!

why they didn't say to Ps3 owners:
"don't worry guys that you got bad ports ...it's all about fun"
?!

why can't developers get more out of the stronger console while making great gameplay too ?!...what the problem with that ?!
the stronger console is even the more Dev's friendly console...so what their excuse ?!

the problem here is that now developers worry too much about the weaker console owners
so they go for parity....so they don't get upset

also this new talk about how sales don't matter now
when was this last gen in every NPD article
or when xbox360 had 10 million over ps3 in it early years ?!

this is just hypocrisy

4.Xone fans really love to play the Victims here
always don't waste time telling everyone that how it's unfair that an artice being critcal of their favorite game is being approved way too fast
Because "N4G is Pro Sony"...as they say

and after they say that
they play the victim card even more
with comments like this :
"Ohh now i'm gonna get down voted to hell and lose all my bubbles"
and they end up with more agrees and even get +bubbles

N4G is full of too many blogs AKA articles that bash sony and it games just as much as any other company and their games
but they choose to ignore that for their own agenda
and all i can do is *smh* at those "i'm Victim" comments

[rpgenius420]

@ezzz2013

The main reason people bashed ps3 when the ports were worse was because all the ps fanboys thought their beloved system was more powerful, sadly now that it is more powerful they still jabber on and on. I have both ps4 and X1 and enjoy all games! Stop being a ballsack.

[UltimateMaster]

I've looked those images, they are all in 1080p, not a single 900p.
The only ones that are actually different are the BF4 ones.

[Ezz2013]

@rpgenius420

talk about ballsack

so you are saying
it was ok and cool ...bashing Ps3 and laughing at all it owners for years and years when they get worse ports
because ...ps3 owners said "ps3 got more power than xbox360" ?!

think about that for a sec

[thereapersson]

@rpgenius

Calling Ezz a ballsack? Looks like a personal attack to me!

[fr0sty]

Compressed jpeg images, many of which aren't even being viewed on native 1080p screens by people on here claiming they can't see a difference, are no indication of the real resolution differences.

You can't put 650,000 more pixels into an image and say you can't tell a difference, unless your monitor isn't high enough resolution to resolve those extra pixels or if you're blind. 650k pixels is enough to almost make up a 720p frame.

There are also many out there that will still tell you they can't tell the difference between DVD and Blu-Ray... but that doesn't mean the difference isn't there. It doesn't mean that because they can't notice it, you won't.

[user5575708]

god these articles are such flamebait

can we stop the never ending 1080p 900p discussion

i have to search deep on this site to find decent articles

[TheFallen1327]

Wow actually air does make gameplay better, not reaolution

[NukaCola]

Whent comes to the power of a system, it shouldn't focus soley on the graphics like 900pvs1080p, but on the more important things like frame rate, draw distance, the amount of things happening at once, and AI. These things are what adds to the immersion and realism more so than just pixels. Still, if you can do highest resolution, do it. But don't sacrifice the core of the game for the look.

[memots]

44% more pixels makes a big difference on 60inch tv

[indyman7777]

you people are a bunch of fools. This article simply did not do a high res capture. You need to compare apples to apples and oranges to oranges. There are some people that are not fools because they actually CANT see the difference and need glasses or get stronger prescriptions. This argument is irrational. Not a single one of you made this argument when PS3 and xbox360 was comparing multiplatforms.

Let me see a review of a video card that does not tell you to real test is with the resolution and the frame rate (fps). Let me see you go and buy a 720ptv and say it looks as good as a 1080p with every thing else being equal.

You all was dogging PS3(me to) because of FPS and resolution. Now there is bold faced hypocrisy. I'm ashamed I was one of you. Because I didn't know you was a bunch of irrational loyalist to a company that tried to take basic human rights of owner ship from you starting with video games. What a bunch of fools. You know what I'm talking about ostrich take your head out of the sand.

[Neonridr]

nobody said that there weren't more pixels being displayed. But it's a measurable fact that from distances of over 10 feet away on a 50 inch screen you aren't going to see the differences because the pixels at that distance are too small to be perceived by your eye as individual "dots".

Great if you are playing at like 3 feet from your face.

The reason why PC gamers will tell you there is a difference is because their monitors are like 2-3 feet away from their faces. Of course you can notice the extra bump in resolution.

But I have a hard time believing that the majority of the gamers in here play at less than 5 feet from their TV's.

[Future_2015]

its laughable that you argue on 900p and 1080p whilst a lot of pc people have adopted to 4K gaming, tasking and work on 4K monitors

[stuna1]

And it is those same PC gamers that *itch and moan about having 1440p capable PC's that have Resolution and Frame Rates dialed down to 1080p and 60 fps or lower! So why should it be any different for console gamers!? Many invested into this generation of gaming for exactly the same reasons PC gamers invest in higher performing hardware.

For many it all about redirecting the issues! People don't mention good or excellent gameplay, because common sense should dictate that that prerequisite should be a given. Seriously the majority of gamers buy their games expecting good gameplay even when the game looks graphically inferior to others. Performance or, graphical fidelity and framerate are a different story! Developers as well as the console makers are just as guilty as the fanbases of their respective supportees in proliferating the expectation of better graphical fidelity, higher resolution and better framerates, because these were the lofty goals reiterated on all last generation and why the past consoles were incapable of certain abilities, which they intended to rectify this generation. Now that time has come! So why is everyone surprised at the responses, can they be blamed?

[strangeaeon]

You speak as if there are multiple millions of PC gamers adopting 4k, when that is far from the truth. Not many can afford a 4k rig. Just get over it, PC gaming will remain niche compared to console.

[slasaru01]

bullshit, only 1% of PC gamers have PCs sufficient to run 4k. And mostly, with all effects down.

Sorry to ruin your dreams ))

[AndrewLB]

StrangeEon- Umm... Niche? WTF are you talking about? PC gaming is the largest and fastest growing market in the world.

http://www.forbes.com/sites...

Stick that in your pipe and smoke it!

[cooperdnizzle]

@AndrewLB

Learn to read and comprehend. Pc gaming from a triple A perspective is down. The article you are referring to counts games like temple run on a ipad, farm vile, candy crush and so many other stupid games that real gamers could give a crap about.

Big PC developers over the last ten years have stopped making exclusive pc games because they don't sell well. I have been a gamer my hole life PC consoles indie AAA you name it. I have a two thousand dollar pc and I can tell you I can not run a game a 4k at max settings. Last most pc games get horrible optimization even if you have the latest and greatest pc you might get screwed because they optimized AMD better then Nvidia or vice verse or they are simply not optimized at all to run on any pc because they spent more time on the console and less on pc.

Last, yea if you look at it, ipad and iphones would be the best selling gaming console/PC whatever you want to call it but 99% of the games are crap. You can spin any article to make it sound good and the way you want it. PC is not what it used to be.

[SilentNegotiator]

"A lot" of pc people? Or a small, small minority?

[lelo2play]

Gaming has reached such a sad state that so called gamers care more about resolution/FPS then gameplay, story, or how good a game actually is. Gaming media is to blame for all this. It's them that incentive all these fanboys wars simply for more click$$$. The big problem now is that stupid fanboys have taken over the gaming media... what to do?

[Ninver]

I want them all. Now what?

[audiophile101]

i agree! you take a look at FFVII.
That game is like the holy grail of final fantasy games. Compare that to now that game is so far behind in graphics its not even funny but yet that game is the most popular and valuable.

Why because the gameplay but more so the story it told!!!

Yes i agree we are this far along in the gaming industry the new systems need to be pushing better graphics and framerates. But yet here i keep seeing games failing the original reasons we have always loved games.

Destiny is a great example. Looks amazing but yet story is shit; compared to halo. Halo started off looking like crap compared to now but yet the following and stories from that universe are award winning.

i love seeing the graphical difference on my new gaming pc, but i dont go crying like a baby like almost all these sony fanboys when im not getting the graphical specs i want. I have and always will buy a game for gameplay and story!!

If you are buying a game just because of how beautiful it looks then you are a complete moron who shouldnt be gaming or even call yourself a "gamer"

[TheXgamerLive]

Actually, the only people who seem to b$tch moan whine about Rez is Sony fanboys. The rez doesn't matter as it upscailed to 1080p. If you look at multiplatform games, they ALL lOOk better on Xbox One all except mgs5. That's the only title that has a noticeable edge to ps4 and that understandable with Sony and hideo.
Every Xbox One has better lighting and a bit more detail with the naked eye. YES, look at any MP Digital Foundry comparison. ANY.Its due to dX11 and the XB1 move engines. Go check out DF videos now. Even Destiny looks better,

check out release videos and not the beta vids. Almost identical with a slight edge to XB1.
That's why Xbox fans aren't complaining BC our games always look great and often BEST.

Beyond all that as it my opinion is gameplay make it new unique and fun with a smooth frame rate and I'm happy. I could care less if rez as long as its at least 720p and a smooth Locked frame rate.
I'll even say this, yes MS screwed up not using gddr5 but the do some things better and by no means holding anything back. Yes the cloud is real and will see more if its use in upcoming games like Crackdown 3 and Halo5 also DX12 will also make games better. The futures bright for all consoles. Chil and enjoy. Leave the whining to your GF.

[Why o why]

Lol. . .

Please see lens of truth and digital foundry articles between the years 2007 and 2013. . . . .It seems 'others' moaned, bi#ched and whined too. . .

Mind Blow

[Gazondaily]

" If you look at multiplatform games, they ALL lOOk better on Xbox One"

¬¬

No.

[BiggerBoss]

What world do you live in??? Not a SINGLE multiplat looks better on Xbox one than Playstation 4, it's just a fact. Stay off the misterxmedia blog kid

[mp1289]

Why are you complaining about the xbox one not having ddr5 if you claim all the games look better than the ps4 anyways? Never seen this much denial in quite a while.

[PaulKersey]

X1 owners can't complain, because by now they know they backed the wrong horse.

[Jason_Plays_PC]

Oh XGamer... Facepalm.

[ShadowWolf712]

"Leave the whining to your GF."

I sense a Dudebro.

Also, nearly every comparison of multiplats this gen has indeed given the edge to the PS4, whether it be a big or small one.

[cell989]

As an avid gamer and customer, I demand that I get everything in my packaged game. The best resolution possible for my console, the best frame rate, the best game play, and the best performance.

Is it wrong to ask for gameplay and kick ass graphics? I choose both over one or the other. this article is making it seem you can't or should not ask for both and just settle for "great gameplay"

[mantisimo]

I bought into this gen at launch and bought the best TV I could afford for the best all round experience of this next gen.

I want the very best from all devs and this argument is about getting the very best out of all my gadgets. I worked hard for this stuff.

The argument isn't about if x amount of p makes a difference, it does by say 30 percent if the rest of the game is identical eg AI lighting etc then the console that optimises the best is in my humble opinion is the one to go for.

If the other consoles can't provide it or games are purposefully being gimped eg "assassin gate" then that's what is troubling, who dictates this when most other devs can push it to the max on the most powerful?

I don't really care as long as I'm getting the best experience my blood and sweat has paid for.

So yes devs I bought for a reason if you can optimise for my console of choice then dam# well do it, and don't go down the slippery slope of parity because that will just alienate you more at this moment in this generation.

[Silly gameAr]

If only people thought that way last gen with the PS3 and 360...

[hkgamer]

the biggest problem last gen was that the ps3 architecture sucked. everything had to be offloaded onto the cell cpu, but that may have been asking too much for a multiplat dev to do.

not much problem this gen though, its pretty easy to compare specs and find out that ps4 is pretty much better than xbone in every way. however, its not like the games running on xbone is unplayable like how it was for some early ps3 games.

anyway, i dont care about parity issues. what i care more about is ubisoft just outright lying about why 30fps is better. they could have just handled the situation better.

[Angeljuice]

@Daz
LOL

" Editor's Note: Don't you think its high time now that [THE]fan war should stop, [comma?]arguing and fighting on these pity[PETTY] issue[S]. This current-gen gaming has *evolved in[A] reverse direction* [use "DEVOLVED"], nowadays gameplay *is not much important* [does not make sense- try "is not AS important" or alternatively "is not OF AS much importanCE"], it's about which game runs at [A]higher resolution, pixels[same as resolution] and FPS [f/s]."

That is some of the poorest sentence structure I've seen in years. This guy is supposed to be an "editor". I suppose if I edit his paragraph with corrections, that will make me a chief editor;-)

You may agree with the sentiment of what's being said, but to try to add gravitas to your credibility by claiming to be an "editor"? What kind of respectable website employs a semi-literate editor?

If this guy is an editor, sack him! I'll do his job (I've already proven Im better at it than he is).

[CaptainKILL]

Causing an uproar over your prized system not being 1080p all the time is childish and ignorant.
If you really want 1080p for PS4 I guess you can let them know, but harassing devs and publishers and screaming boycott gets you nowhere and makes the fan base look like ungrateful scum.
As seen with those images the perceived difference is so minute after upscaling that this crusade for your suffering PS4 reads like nothing more than fanboys trying to justify their purchase, because if it ever matches another platform then why the hell did they insist to all their friends that it's 50% more powerful in every way?
But the wheels keep turning and EA is right out the gate using this as a marketing tool and your all going to eat it up.

[PaulKersey]

I paid $400 for a PS4 (the more powerful system) and I expect it to get games that exploit its potential. X1 owners that backed the wrong horse shouldn't dictate games on my console being dumbed down to match their underpowered console.

And yeah, I'm not buying ACU unless it's used or at a severe discount. And if Unibisoft gimps Far Cry 4 the same way, I will do the same.

[ThanatosDMC]

Calling us "ungrateful scum" must make you a blind deaf sheep.

[GribbleGrunger]

If it doesn't matter, that's great isn't it? PS4 games are in 1080p which makes PS4 owners happy and XB1 games are in 900p, which doesn't matter because most people can't see the difference anyway. Both camps are content ... aren't they?

[ChrisW]

But if the standard for games on PS4 were 900p instead of 1080p, things like effects / physics and AI would be noticeably better.

But then again, that would only be if the developers had the above-and-beyond talent to script such things into their games.

[larrysdirtydrawss]

upscalers suck and stretch the pixels to a blurry disaster,how can see say that with a straight face and act like that chit is even close to being equal.,,,whoever cant see the big difference between 900p and 1080p need to have their eyes examined quickly.%40+ more pixels is huge... play black flag at 900p and then at 1080p,the difference is quite big,,,,,once you see it directly in front of you on your screen(as direct and native as it can possible get) instead of some compressed internet image,the difference sticks out by a mile

[TwilightSparkle]

I personally never cared for graphics only gameplay . I find myself playing snes or ps1 games more than the new ones. The reason is because it seems the developers care more about graphics then game play. That's why most games these day are so short and easy to complete. The only fun is achievements. But I also buy a console if it has a game I want to play.

[Killzoner99]

The only ones who are saying that gameplay is more important than graphics are the Xbots because they know the Xbone will never match what the PS4 puts out. Sony fans have every right to boast about the graphical superiority of the PS4 when the Xbone claims to be a next gen console and yet it is 40% weaker than the PS4 and way more expensive. The gamers deserve to know the truth.

[TwilightSparkle]

I don't own xbone only PlayStation and Nintendo. Xbone don't have any games I want to play at the moment.

[ChronoJoe]

From the first two screenshots (remember to click on them to see their actual size when comparing, otherwise it's completely redundant).

The PS4 version looks quite a bit better. You can almost see the individual pores on his hands on the PS4 shot, but the XBOX ONE version is noticeably more 'blurry'.

Resolution only makes a noticable difference if your sat a certain distance from your television though. I think that's worth noting. Here's an interesting article that dates back quite a bit http://carltonbale.com/1080...

It's not always something you can notice in an individual screenshot. They're static, and only represent a very small portion of the game, indeed gamer visually judge their products in a much more holistic manner when in the home and what might just be looking a 'little bit better' in one screen capture can result in a markedly superior visual experience for the game as a whole.

[otherZinc]

Because the PS4 games don't have gameplay:

Killzone Shadow Fall: no Campaign Co-op, stupid AI

Knack: Garbage

Infamous Second Son: Very stupid AI, very repetitive areas

Drive Club: 50 cars, 1 Feature (clubs 6) that's garbage. Forza Horizon 2 has 1,000 per club.
Drive Club has as many features as Pole Position 30 years ago

Forza Motorsport 5:
1080p 60fps; and still the only AAA game that hits this mark without dropping 1 frame.

Forza Horizon 2:
1080p 30fps
And has more options than any racer ever made.

Halo Master Chief Collection:
1080p 60fps
With more value than any $60 game ever created.

You guys continue keeping your heads in the friggin sand.

[DigitalRaptor]

PS4 games don't have gameplay? Then what on god's green earth am I doing right here with my controller and all the highest rated games on any next-gen console then?

Ryse: no campaign co-op, stupid AI, garbage, very repetitive areas.

Titanfall: no campaign AT ALL. stupid AI, short on content, very repetitive shooter.

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"1080p 60fps; and still the only AAA game that hits this mark without dropping 1 frame."

Why do you consistently ignore what Forza 5 sacrifices to achieve the 1080p/60fps standard? That game is last-gen through and through. GT6 is 1080p/60fps back in 2013. Other than car detail, F5 just about matched its standards in that year.

Still... Final Fantasy XIV meets that standard and that came out in April this year, so you're wrong... again.

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"With more value than any $60 game ever created."

How does it make you feel that 2 upcoming PS4-only 2015 games (No Man's Sky and WiLD) both individually offer more content and value than every single Xbox One exclusive game combined? You'll be sticking your head in the sand when those games come out won't you?

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"You guys continue keeping your heads in the friggin sand."

Laughably ironic.

[VforVideogames]

Why is it when sites review a game they do mention the difference on resolution but its NOT taken in consideration when they give the score? The same score is given on the same game even if one "looks" better then the other one.

[BallsEye]

Oh the love for gameplay is still on XO. Many devs on xbox one chose to go 900p or so just to squeeze out hundreds of enemies on screen with unique physics or big open worlds. Games like Dead Rising, Ryse (so much going on screen!), forza or upcoming Sunset overdrive prove it. I don't really like the fact that sony forces 1080p on devs at all cost. For this stupid approach we can thank n4g community.

[-Foxtrot]

Not the point

If 1080p is there and a console can do it then you would want it. Developers should push themselves, they wanted better specs and moaned about wanting next gen yet when they have those new specs in front of them it's like "Meh...we'll see want we can do"

[Daz]

Well they can push them selfs in other ways then just pixels.

What about texture quality, Ai,and so on.

[Bigpappy]

You talk as though the spec are just there to reach 1080p. Some developers think the resources can be better spent on effects and AI. It depends on the developer and their vision of what the game should be. Some of course will do exactly as you stated and focus on 1080p if that is what they believe is most important to their fanbase.

[jhoward585]

Good post. I have nothing to say.

[Malphite]

True. That's why I like PC gaming so much. You can choose for yourself what you want to prioritize.

But still the problem wasn't how they spend the recources in general. It was that they don't want to use the recources PS4 has over the X1. If they'd include better effects or AI in the PS4 versions people would probably stop complaining even if the resolution stays the same. But if both versions are completely identical PS4 owners have the right to moan about it imo. Especially when you consider that it's not really hard to make the PS4 render the game at a higher resolution.

[mantisimo]

It isn't about using resources on Ai or effects we are Getting games that share the same lighting or effects on differing systems but then one can have a higher resolution than the other it should, like the cherry on the cake.

The rest of the cake is exactly the same so is the frosting but if the cherry is available, I want that cherry.

[-Foxtrot]

"You talk as though the spec are just there to reach 1080p"

Oh I'm sorry I didn't realise I wrote "Specs are only there to reach 1080p, it should be used".........oh wait.......I didn't.

The fact is they can could easily do better AI, effects etc and have 1080p if they didn't stop worrying about what console can't handle what

[gootimes]

People are really missing the point, nobody said 1080p should be the most important thing, but one console can actually push for more than another. If devs are not using it to it's maximum potential then it is actually short changing the owners of the console just to give parity to "avoid debate". It's the same game with better res, as shown in many games so far...

[KarmaV12]

What I adore is that the fanboys try and pass on the power difference like the X1 has the power of a 360. If all you care about in a game is resolution then I feel bad for you.

[Gazondaily]

@Fox

"The fact is they can could easily do better AI, effects etc and have 1080p if they didn't stop worrying about what console can't handle what"

Let me take your sentiment a little further:

"The fact is they can could easily do better AI, effects etc and have 1080p if they didn't stop worrying about consoles period."

See how it works?

Developers will have a set goal and try to achieve it on the platforms they are working on. What we've seen from most devs is that they scale their project to make their games run on individual consoles. So quit trying to make it sound like the X1 is such a vastly inferior machine that multiplat games on the PS4 are restricted in scope because of developers being anchored by it. That's pure B.S and that is what you're actually stating before you go ahead and start your retort off like you did above.

[DLConspiracy]

That's fine, but even still. When gamers keep going on and on about resolution. Eventually developers are going to optimize games for resolution instead of Fluidity and game mechanics. So they will sacrifice FRAMES and smoothness of gameplay eventually. If that's all that matters.

Not all games have been 1080p 60fps on PS4.

[Visiblemarc]

Further to that, I agree, it shouldn't be a console wars issue.

It is a bloody objective truth. 1080p looks way better than 900p, all else being equal.

Anyone who doesn't see this, is either not observant or blinded by bias.

I don't care what console it's on or who made it.

People need to STOP trying to tell me that 50% more pixels looks the same. It's really pathetic.

It doesn't mean 900p games look bad, or any of the other straw man arguments that are used by biased fanboys or supposed common sense preachers.

Saying something is better than something else doesn't mean the first thing was bad. Claiming that, that is what is implied by championing 1080p native resolution is dishonest and in the style of a small town crooked politician.

An extra large pizza is objectively bigger than a large. Both are a lot of food for a family of four...but if someone tried to tell you they were basically the same amount of food, would you even bother listening to anything they say?

All arguments fail. You can take my analogy and say "in both cases it's enough food." Then fold your arms like a self-satisfied stooge. That isn't the point. The question is whether or not there is a significant difference. There is. It's a fact.

Also, these stupid resolution articles make zero sense. 90% of people are looking at them on phones. Zero percent are looking at them on 50" tvs. Large screens are where the entire focus of this resolution discussion belongs, when evaluating it's most practical considerations.

[donthate]

"An extra large pizza is objectively bigger than a large. Both are a lot of food for a family of four...but if someone tried to tell you they were basically the same amount of food, would you even bother listening to anything they say?"

Yes, but what if the large pizza has way more topping than the extra large one?

Size alone isn't the determining factor. On top of that, I (or my family) might not be able to finish the extra large, but opt for the better tasting large.

"The question is whether or not there is a significant difference. There is. It's a fact. "

What is a fact, is there is a difference. "Significant" isn't a fact, because it is a subjective opinion.

"when evaluating it's most practical considerations."

You are right that when we discuss these things it should be viewed from a practical stand point, and a practical stand point is to wring 1080p out might take more work than it is worth compared to spending that time on things that matter more.

If you are involved with game development, you know artwork and the type of graphical effects are far more important to the visuals of the game rather than the resolution.

[jhoward585]

You're missing something here. Good analogy by the way.

whether you eat one slice of pizza or 10 slice of pizza, your stomach will start to hurt if you go beyond its capacity. Its the same way for computers...if there's too much going on in the game to process the data the system will crash.

[MarkusMcNugen]

"People need to STOP trying to tell me that 50% more pixels looks the same. It's really pathetic."

The difference between 900p and 1080p is more like 25%, but whatever. It's just maths right?

[blackout]

Sooo you see a difference? I have 20/20 vision and i can't see the difference. Shit the 720p looks amazing. Seems as if the p4 only has one edge over the x1 and that's the gpu nothing else. Whats worse is that the ps4 servers that are rented are (SHIT). Why has Microsoft not had these problems? Well because Microsoft owns the number one CLOUD SERVICE in the world And guess what even with more power the ps4 still doesn't have a game that looks better that RYSE, the graphical bench mark of this GENERATION so far. X1 UNDER POWERED MY A$$.

[strangeaeon]

Wouldn't be N4G without a horrible analogy.

[Visiblemarc]

@donthate

You have missed the point.

"It is a bloody objective truth. 1080p looks way better than 900p, all else being equal."

All else...being...equal.

There are no extra toppings on this pizza.

Also"Significance" here is being measured in 3 ways. People largely care/notice (subjective, but so are most measures of significance) percentage of whole (50% more pixels represents a huge addition and therefore is objectively significant from a numeric findings perspective) and related fields (as in, smartphones have been outpacing one another with similarly proportioned resolution updates in recent years and guess what? People notice and care.)

I could go on and on...but I actually won't bother.

Videogame news has just become a dumping ground for hipsters and contrarians. Getting depressing, actually.

[MarkusMcNugen]

Seriously? 11 disagrees? It's simple math.

900p = 1,440,000 pixels
1080p = 2,073,600 pixels

1,440,000 / 2,073,600 = 0.69 or 69%.

So 900p is 69% of the pixels of 1080p. Or a 31% difference between 900p and 1080p.

31% is much closer to a 25% estimation than 50%...

Geez people. Learn basic math.

[Volkama]

Most devs say that the biggest benefit in the generational leap is the amount of memory. The capacity for bigger levels, open spaces, more objects, higher quality assets.

I have yet to see anyone in a creative roll come out and say "the best thing about these new consoles is we can make games with a higher resolution than before".

[tonywood]

Hell yea!
Obviously theres some other powers being used on these developers. Not to be a conspiracy theorist, but ps3 issues vs 360 was a huge deal....and the games wasn't dumbed down for parity. (Remember bayenetta?) The lead platform is generally the one with the most reliable and easy to use technology, some how though....punk ass devs like Ubisoft are having issues. (Funny how only a few big time multiplats all of a sudden cant hit 1080p & at least 35-50 FPS)

[maniacmayhem]

@Fox
1080p is there but if reaching 1080p sacrifices other areas of gameplay like AI, design, NPC's on screen and other factors that take away then would you still want a developer to reach 1080p?

Time to start broadening our horizons when we talk about next gen. Is 1080p all we are looking for and going to except for another 7 to 8 years?

I completely agree with Big Pappy as we should be looking at games and seeing what they are doing different from what we experienced last gen.

"The fact is they can could easily do better AI, effects etc and have 1080p if they didn't stop worrying about what console can't handle what "

Really Fox? This is what really kills me about your comments, you talk as though you have first hand knowledge of computer programming and game development. You personally have experience programming AI for vide games using the architecture of current gen consoles? And you can get the best AI out of a video game and still reach 1080p? All on a development schedule to be released on time to the public?

Please explain and tell us how this is achieved or better yet send Ubi your proposal and a write up on exactly how this can be done using whatever language they program in.

[Baccra17]

Everyone keeps going on and on about AI and other resources in response to what Foxtrot said but in all honesty, you guys arguing with Foxtrot are delusional.

Who started this parity craze? EA did. Before PS3 and 360 came out they talked about how all their games were going to have parity, because they found that if one game was described as "better" than the other- the "better" one sold more and the "inferior" one sold less. Therefore with parity, they could theoretically sell more, because they were both the same and everyone would be happy. However did it work out that way last gen? No. PS3, the red headed step child of gaming, got S**tted on time and time again when it came to multiplat games due to parity.

All of you go on against Foxtrot talking about how you can put the resources to better use rather than waste it on resolution. You can do AI and particles and blah blah blah but here's the deal- to do that GOES AGAINST PARITY!!!! Parity means more than making the games look the same resolution wise and so forth- it means to have the almost exact same game for each console it releases on!!!! Therefore PS4 won't have better AI or all the other crap you delude yourself on- because that would make the PS4 version "better" in some way noticeable than Xbone- and THAT breaks parity!

If the shoe was on the other foot and it was PS4 holding back Xbone this wouldn't be an issue and none of you would be here. Whether it's Xbone or PS4, no system should have their game held back from its full potential simply cause the other system couldn't cut it, period.

[oODEADPOOLOo]

I think the atuhor missed the point. The difference may not be that big, but the point is to not let them lower standards period. Just because they expect people to 'buy it anyway' and come on man: "This is setting a dangerous precedent for developers, who might now worry about their image and resolution more than gameplay." that's just a dumb statement, gameplay is always a priority, but games have for the most part always tried to maximize visuals on top of that anyway. Look at Shadows of mordor its the complete opposite of ACU and it still manages to maximize its potential with pretty good reviews.

From Eurogamer about Shadows of mordor:

"The Xbox One release is immediately on the back foot, with our pixel count tests highlighting an upscaled 1600x900 resolve for the platform. In contrast with the full native 1920x1080 output on PS4,"

http://www.eurogamer.net/ar...

[gamer7804]

you are right standards should not be lowered, thats why devs should take more time and work on getting the xbox one graphics up to par with the ps4. Without utilizing the specifics of the hardware.. If they do that, gamers won't need to concern themselves at all with a lower resolution parity on ps4.

In the case of AC , its a cpu bottleneck that kept the ps4 from reaching higher than 900p. (the press around it was just terrible spoken)

furthermore i don't think Devs should not limit themselves and not take advantage of the Xbox One's trigger feedback. They do this in first party games and it makes a world of difference in forza and forzah2. I hope FPS and other 3rd party games start taking advantage of this.

[oODEADPOOLOo]

I think ultimately this parity debate was probably a cover up way to say consoles cant handle this game at 1080p 60 fps. Which kinda makes sense given the A.I and amount of stuff happening on screen.

[tonywood]

Yea right!
Im no ps fanboy, but every game on the ps4 should be 1080p automatically. The only real challenge is getting them at 40-60 frames per second. People keep believing this ruse, but not me.....Ive been gaming for 20 years, I know these consoles are capable of.

The last of us remastered is one of the most technology advanced games for next (this gen).....and it hit 1080/60 frames per. Only a moron will believe assassins creed cant at least hit 1080 on the quad.

[InTheLab]

Why is it so hard to understand that the issue now is parity and prior to that it was the fact that the most expensive console at launch could not handle full HD while the other could.

And this notion that achieving full HD comes at the expense of gameplay is unfounded and misleading. The author isn't a developer and has no Idea what it takes to create games.

[Roccetarius]

I don't know about you, but as far as Ubisoft's excuses go, would you really notice the extra AI in AC:U?

I mean, how many people will actually count the amount of people on screen, instead of focusing on the gameplay in any situation?

Maybe a current gen Prototype would have to make compromises, if they really wanted a huge amount of enemies on screen.

[DragonbornZ]

"that's just a dumb statement, gameplay is always a priority,"
Unfortunately not always. Remember when it was stated that Ryse focus is to be a technical showpiece. I think that's the case for The Order as well (Not sure)
It's not always the priority. His statement is pretty valid.

[Raiz]

the author is correct to some extent, developers also have another option which is offer what is best i.e. 1080p or 900p for each consoles...

[Artista]

It's all about "my console is better than yours".

Besides that, no one really cares.

[Spotie]

Why, yes. My console IS better than yours. Also easier to develop for. As such, it makes no damn sense for a game on your console and mine to perform the same.

If you think I should have the exact same game as you just because your console can't do any better, your ass must be crazy.

[Artista]

lol you're clown
I don't even have a current gen console. Even if I did, how would you know which one I've got? It could be the same as yours.

[maniacmayhem]

"makes no damn sense for a game on your console and mine to perform the same."

That was pretty much the most all time low and just all around dumb comment I have read on this site.

Both consoles can do better and just like last gen you saw later games releasing with better quality in everything from graphics to gameplay.

With more time we will see developers making some excellent games that will take full advantage of the PS4, Xbox One and even the WiiU.

The fact that you can even say that without a "/s" tag just makes me lose hope with this site.

You made a comment not to long ago about gamers whining and complaining and yet here you are complaining about what you believe your console should be superior from everyone else's.

The false entitlement is amazing.

[matt139]

In other groundbreaking news, the sky is blue!

[Eldyraen]

Except when its not--depending on the weather or time of day/night... ;)

[jatakk]

Is the sky 60fps@1080p? If not, it's nothing to behold..

[Play2Win]

Sky is never blue. That is just the way we see it with our eyes during daytime.

"Sunlight reaches Earth's atmosphere and is scattered in all directions by all the gases and particles in the air. Blue light is scattered in all directions by the tiny molecules of air in Earth's atmosphere. Blue is scattered more than other colors because it travels as shorter, smaller waves. This is why we see a blue sky most of the time"

[matt139]

Regardless, the way you see it is still blue.

[Play2Win]

no it is not. when you look at wall at night an say it is black and the next day you see it is freaking white you were wrong at night. what is and what you think you see are two different pairs of shoes.

[LightofDarkness]

The differences become much more apparent in motion. Because you're not resolving all 1080 lines of motion, you get a shimmering effect, which highlights the aliasing further.

[OB1Biker]

Also not much point all those internet comparison whether pic of video people watch on their little laptops. Better first hand reports from real consoles on real large screen

[smolinsk]

I care and i can see the difference

[pastysmash]

There are no differences and if you want to Nitpick you have to ask yourself, are you going to see any subtle differences when you're in the thick of the action.

[Riderz1337]

Article says we should focus on gameplay, but if it's a multiplatform game the gameplay would be the same on both...So what do you think people will discuss next? The graphics of course...

[gamer7804]

Actually gameplay could be somewhat different on each console. i'd prefer 3rd party devs to take advantage of gameplay features on the xbox one controller like the feedback on the triggers and possible kinect integration. The controller triggers with this feature makes a big impact on gameplay, i'm really enjoying it in Forza Horizon 2.

[Volkama]

Or maybe you could talk about games in light of what they are and what makes them exciting, rather than reducing them to ammunition in a silly console rivalry.

[Riderz1337]

I agree, but if you are going to compare the same game on DIFFERENT consoles, theres only so much you can really compare. It all really comes down to the difference in graphics and if one console has exclusive content over the other.

[moegooner88]

Well said. Funny how people are trying so hard to prove otherwise.

[moegooner88]

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[LogicStomper]

See, this is the problem. The gaming community is no longer about discussing what we have in relation. We have now reached the point where we attempt to point out every difference amongst each other. In the past, it didn't matter whether you played on console X or console Y, we set our differences aside to discuss what matters most, game-play.

Look at where we've gone now. Game-play has been pushed aside and the console which we game on has become the forefront of discussion. The focus of discussion is now about labelling gamers in attempt to separate one another. Why do you care about discussing the differences in what the game looks like, when we should be discussing what the game plays like? The attitude of the gaming community has taken a turn for the worse. Even though the game-play of a multi-platform game is the same, what is wrong with discussion about it? You give off the attitude that similarities between the two should take a back-seat and that the differences between the two is what should be discussed instead. See the problem here? You're dividing the gaming community.

This is the problem with the gaming community. Instead of discussing what we have in relation, we're attempting to divide the community into groups so that we can label one as the 'superior' group.

[ThanatosDMC]

I disagree because gamers want both great gameplay and have their games the best they can be in the current gen consoles available. Is that so hard to understand?

You're the problem for wanting to accept parity. If this becomes the norm. Then there will not be competition to push gaming forward to become better.

Logicfail.

[ShadowWolf712]

"Genesis DOES what NintenDON'T!"

Pretty sure we've always been this way.

[LogicStomper]

@ThanatosDMC

"I disagree because gamers want both great gameplay and have their games the best they can be in the current gen consoles available. Is that so hard to understand?"

'Discussion' and 'what gamers want' are entirely different things, please do not confuse one for the other. I can believe both that:

A) The focus of discussion being about dividing the gaming community is bad.

and

B) Gamers want both great game-play and graphics.

with both being true. It would be utterly illogical if I were to argue that because I dislike the state of gaming community, I believe parity is good.

So please, if you were to attack my argument, at least read what the point I'm making is. At no point did I even hint at 'parity', so how on Earth did you manage to bring that up?

[maniacmayhem]

@Logicstomper

Very well said and I agree. Looking at the differences in those screen shots one could hardly tell which is 1080p or 900p and even still how will that effect actual gameplay and how good a game really is.

Some of the best games I have played have been on SNES, PS1, Dreamcast, Genesis and I am for certain those games were not in 1080p. Some of those games had great graphics none the less but what stood out was the actual gameplay and design.

That is what I used to debate when growing up, what system had the best games, not which one had the better resolution.

The only reason why 1080p is such a hot topic is because one group wants to have a supposed superior version just to have the leg up when arguing how better their console is compared to the rest.

And we have already seen that a game being in 1080p doesn't mean the game will be great. The mediocre scores for most of these next gen games should prove that.

[MultiConsoleGamer]

They both look great to me.

[OB1Biker]

Are people seriously comparing these little pics on their laptops or phones?

[randomguy35]

Depends I guess.. I'd be more worried of the frame rate to be honest. I'd take 900p 60ps over 1080p 30ps but that's me.

[Destiny1080]

1080p is a ps4 exclusive

[pastysmash]

Yup, while the best 1st party titles are Exclusive to Xbox One.

[randomguy35]

Xb1 has good 1st party titles I can agree and so does Ps4. Get both and have fun.

[alb1899]

Just side by side you can tell.....and even like that I wil strogle trayng to find the differences
Power of MS servers Vs 1080p.....I choose play online without any problems......jump in!

And yes, I'm a MS fan boy!

[blackout]

The best comment of the day. The PS4 has to have the worst security. Stability on the Xbox One is sooo wonderful. I've never come home from work,sleep and not been able to get on live.

[Skate-AK]

Why would you use the PC version of BF4 and compare it to console games? We don't even know what settings were on in the BF4 screenshots.

[Eldyraen]

Go play them all in 480p and then it isn't a problem which is better--problem solved. Then all we have to ask ourselves is why doesn't it look better for the sake of higher res tv owners?

Seriously, you guys suck...

j/k but in the end resolution doesn't matter all that much.

I prefer 1080p of course but I can live with lower res as long as the game warrants it since resolution is actually a small part of how a game looks and plays. It would be like arguing which platform's version of Minecraft is better as at a certain point all it means is you get to better see how 'bad' a game looks (most 'bad' looking games though today are designed with 'retro'/'simple 9; assets intentionally but can still be a blast).

On a side note (as this is where parity reared its ugly head again): AC:Unity could very well had ran at 1080p on the PS4 but due to size of the crowds it may not had ran at a consistant enough framerate for Ubisoft to want to deal with dips. What we don't know doesn't mean there isn't a reason for it and this is just one possible scenario for the sake of 'cinematic' purposes.

[uth11]

Shhh.. If you go around showing people that you can't see much difference between 720 and 1080p, how are TV companies going to be able to shove 4k down our throats?

[DougLord]

I will offer any Sony troll a deal. I will take 10 screen shots of a 1080p PS4 game and put it vs the 900p Xbone version. If you can correctly identify 10/10 I will give you $100. If not I get to shoot you. Any takers?

BTW I have a Paraordanace S&W 40 with pancake bullets. So it's gonna make a BIG hole.

[Eldyraen]

Do the screenshots stay in native resolution or are you going to upscale them all to 1080p? If I want to play a rigged game I want it rigged in my favor ;)

[Luthiens1]

You the man doug,

http://minus.com/lREkTVFtTI...

stoopid ps4

[StormLegend]

Either way I still want the best out of my console...

[beerzombie]

But just because it is not 1080p dose not mean your not getting the best from the ps4. Resolution isn't the whole game there is many part's to it.

[StormLegend]

I don't care what the resolution is. I just want them to max out the console, just aim for the best that's all. It doesn't have to be 1080p unless they can achieve that.

[Smootherkuzz]

This gen more is better and don't get caught with less, this is sad. People want to think they have the best console on the market and if it has more then it must be the best no matter what other people say. As for how it looks most people would not be able to you if its 720p, 900p or 1080p at any hertz, l have people look at 480p and think it was 1080p this is so true its crazy. Tv monitors are no joke when it comes to making games, video look fantastic with upscaling for lower rez. Even the game consoles do a fantastic job of upscaling. Don't read to much into this rez thing this gen. Save it for 4k gen that's when the biggest difference will show.

[Shineon]

Fucc 1080p

[bleedsoe9mm]

if sony thought every game on ps4 was going to be 1080 they wouldn't have an upscaler in the console . personally i think you can see a difference from 720 to 1080 but not from 900 to 1080 . ryse is still one of best looking games on either console .

[MajorGecko]

or maybe its in there for indies :0, seriously tho its "next-gen" i dont care about this game or the franchise but no 10080p on ps4 looks bad when we all know it can do it.

[bleedsoe9mm]

if they can hit 1080 sure do it , but i don't want devs setting the bar at 1080 and everything else is sacrificed to make sure 1080 is hit . i like what insomniac said when they were asked if the june sdk update would put sunset overdrive to 1080 , heck no using the extra power for more monsters and better AI .

[hello12]

See resolution doesn't mean better graphics. The image justs become sharper and clearer.

Those screenshots are the prove.

[PaulKersey]

Yeah, sharper and clearer doesn't mean better. SMH...

[DigitalRaptor]

Wow. At this stage you HAVE to be trolling.

"Sharper and clearer" == better.

The screenshots also show better shadows and more detailed textures.

And you see, it's not even just resolution providing the differences as much as you seem to be trying to convince people that is the only difference.

Have a little read of Digital Foundry's Shadow of Mordor analysis: http://www.eurogamer.net/ar...

on the PS4 version: "its full 1080p resolution, higher shadow quality and increased foliage density barely put a dent in its v-synced 30fps performance. The Xbox One release is a solid 30fps too in matching frame-rate tests but the added visual treats on Sony's platform make this an easy one to call between the two."

Yeah... of course it's only the resolution /s

[Bryan7portugal]

I have both systems and honestly. Ps4 sucks to me. Controller feels weird. Os is shit. And games aren't that great to me. I haven't touched my ps4 in months. It's not all about resolution. Other wise I'd buy a pc or a $300 steam machine that beats both and get that free when I trade my ps4 in. All about Gameplay. Tower game on ps4 is the only fun game and it's graphics aren't that great.

[Bryan7portugal]

Idk who would disagree when $300 for a better system is a great deal.

[WeAreLegion]

A $300 Steam machine will NOT beat a PS4.

Good luck running Crysis 3 on Ultra with that thing.

If you don't like the PS4, sell it. Someone with taste will gladly take it off your hands.

[TomahawkX]

way to show the difference with small compressed images. If you play on 50 inch screen or bigger you will definitely notice how blurry and horrible 900p is.

[MRMagoo123]

I can see how blurry it is on my 22 inch monitor , I noticed mordor wasn't 1080p on xbone when game spot said it was, I said it looked blurry , I can't imagine how bad it would look on a 40 inch or higher in 900p.

[Masterchief_thegoat]

Got damm it, I got 1080p tv not 720 or 900p;-)

[alb1899]

I can imagine you have good internet an a subscription on PSN and can't play.......there you have something to be angry about. ;)

Power of MS servers Vs 1080p.....I choose play online without any problems......jump in!

And yes, I'm a MS fan boy!

[aftershock]

There shouldn't be ANY games less than 1080p native. It's 2014, 1080p tv's have been out forever now. PC is venturing into mainstream 4k gaming now for God's sake. I just smh when people say there isn't a difference between 900p and 1080p. The difference is noticeable. Eye exams people

[IndoAssassin]

Unfortunately all the people that are happy with 900p are xbox fanboys who can't stand the fact that the PS4 can do 1080p.

[ironmonkey]

1080p vs 900? Huge difference.

[Brazz]

Little difference between 900p and 1080p? yes, I agree, still many people will be comparing and saying that one version is better than the other and to be honest ... this is fair ... In the era of X360 / PS3 very minor differences, that little grass texture or those "2 FPS", was enough to make fans of the X360 feel superior and talk about this supposed "superiority," not only fans of the X360, Microsoft filled her lungs to say multiplatform were remarkably better in the X360!

If you have never raised flags "this is the best version" then continue to play without worry, both versions are good and you will continue to have a great experience with their games. If you raised the banner of "my version is better" and now you're uncomfortable with the turn table of the PS4 / X1 (with the Ps4 having a "superior" version) then you are a hypocrite ...
And What about Microsoft be saying that the difference is imperceptible? I call it hypocrisy! They shouted to the thousand winds that the X360 version was better because of some textures and 2-4 FPS advantage, but now they say that the difference in resolution and FPS (which in some cases exceeds 10 FPS) is not that big and that consumers should not care about it ... I call it Bullshit!

[Hestrela]

Try gaming on a 60 inch led tv and you see the diference

[tuglu_pati]

Yeah but how many people game on a 60" tv? That is the real question.

[Psychotica]

Quite a few, nothing special about a 60" tv. There aren't even that expensive anymore..

[MRMagoo123]

I am just saying , you dont need a big tv to see a difference, I can see it on a 22inch monitor. On a big screen its even easier to see.

[u got owned]

@MRMagoo123

Did you buy both versions just to compared them on you 22" TV? Hmm that is quite odd even a bit extremist.

[MRMagoo123]

You could see the xbone version of mordor wasn't 1080p on the game spot article where they claimed it was 1080p, I even mentioned it on the article and I was using a 22 inch monitor, on my 40 inch TV it's way more apparent, 900p is blurry compared to 1080p, it seems xbone fans are all born with eyes not sensitive to res, yet last gen they could all spot 2 fps more on cod or an extra 14p.

[tuglu_pati]

The difference is there, no body is denying that (except for a few extreme XB fanboys), but the difference is marginal, as opposed to what Sony fans are claiming, which is that the difference is huge.

[peshkavusCA]

How close do you play with your 60" t.v.? Do you get tired counting pixels?

[ninjahunter]

On console, i can see the argument of 720p vs 1080p. its a very large difference. However, if your couch gaming, 900p vs 1080p is redundant especially with these blur filters that are oh so popular these days, im looking at you fxaa.

[iTechHeads]

PS4 is 1st class.
XB1 is 2nd class.

[thexmanone]

Xbox Live is First class.
PSN is 2nd Class.
Xbox One Features/updates is First Class.
PS4 Features/updates is 2nd Class.
Xbox One exclusives is First Class.
PS4 exclusives is 2nd Class.
Hardware does go to the PS4, but by a very very small amount. And I mean a really small amount.

That's my opinion.

[reko]

Xbox1: 10th class
Ps4: 1st class
Wiiu: 2nd class

[Ra3030]

" Show It Isn't A Gigantic Leap, Only Small Differences"

"Small differences" in consumer products when you have 2 or more of the same thing means that one of those products has to be better. But we can look at it this way where we put the "small differences" to the test. Let's say we have 2 consoles with one priced at $400 and the other at $500 and in gaming consoles that's a small difference and after 10 months on the market one "$500" has sold around 4.5 million and the other "$400" around 12 millions we'd have to say that, that small difference mattered....oh! you don't like that one ok here's another. Let's say we have 2 consoles with just about the same specs but one has a slight edge and that console sold 12 million consoles in 10 months and the other console with just a little less power could only sell around 4.5 million consoles so it mattered again. So if one gaming console can reach 1080 with what seems little trouble and the other can't seem to reach 1080p no matter what anyone does then most will choose the one that has little trouble reaching 1080p and they have and they'll want that in their games and they do...and in no way has any game that has the 1080p spec suffered because of it. "Games can't be 1080p because they suffer" Thats nothing more than a fanboy cry from the Microsoft side and though it is true it's also true that in the Multiplat games the suffering will be on the Xbox One Cable Box sadly we humans have the "we can't let them have something we can't get disease" ...... we now know developers can make the PS4 version 1080p and the XBCB at what ever it can handle without suffering it's just to bad developers like Ubisoft allows that disease to effect their product. And while we're talking fanboys is their anyone that thinks that if the Microsoft console was the one that had little trouble reaching 1080p and the PS4 is the one having the trouble that things would be different in the console gaming world? Right, If anything it would be worse because it's more than well known that the Microsoft fanboys are the very worst. And what's sad about the fanboy war is that Microsoft has the gaming media in their pocket. Too bad for them that only works in their favor when they make a product with having which is .........NEVER!

[Maxor]

A quick show of hands. When you rushed out to pre-order your so called "nextgen" console, how many of you thought that the ability to hit 1080p would be a thing? I sure as hell didn't when I pre-ordered my PS4 like a rabid fanboy. I expected 1080p 60 FPS to be to be a baseline feature like wireless connectivity.

But here we are. Considering how woefully under powered these nextgen consoles are, I'm shocked that a third party like Apple or Google haven't entered the market and swept both Sony and Microsoft aside. Because frankly that is exactly what this marktet needs. The old guard of Sony and Microsoft simply isn't getting it done anymore.

[AgentSmithPS4]

Many humans are delusionally stubborn, addicted, don't work together, have a bad memory, and are good at settling for less than they should, this is a big part of the reason why the consoles are underpowered, many games aren't as good as they should be, and creatures like EA and Ubisoft can keep making more money by turning good ideas or games into disappointing messes.

[sandman224]

I'm more concerned about getting 60 frames then 1080p. Could you imagine how destiny would look and feel at 60 frames. It would feel amazing.

[Majin-vegeta]

They dumbed it down to 30 to keep parity across all platforms.Which was stupid.

[quenomamen]

So your'e saying the difference is so tiny, so small, its almost not noticable correct ? Ok lets say it is, lets say it's not even worth bringing up, not worth counting pixels. Well if the gap between
720p, 900p - 1080p is so miniscule then why is it the X1 can't close that gap game after game ? Cuz it was designed weaker from beginning thats why.

It's like saying the top speed gap between a Ferrari and a Lambo is only 7 mph then saying no nobody cares when the Ferrari keeps coming in second. If the speed gap is only 7 mph then why cant the Ferrari close it ? Cuz thats how it was designed, it was designed to only go 200 mph instead of 207 like the Lambo. Theyre both great, expensive high end cars but should there be a parity clause that restricts the Lambo to 200 mph in races ?

[marloc_x]

It's called the speed limit..

[MAULxx]

Like it or not, 1080p is the expected resolution for most if not all games for PS4 among owners. FPS may not be as expected but 60FPS is definitely preferred and desirable. Wake up! Stop pretending that it doesn't matter or that no one cares. You may not care if you own a system you know is incapable of any more. You shouldn't expect it & that's understandable.
If your happy with your 900p then great. Pick up your XBone copy & rejoice that it's higher than 720p but don't try to villianize PS4 owners for demanding a higher baseline that everyone knows is expected. There's nothing unreasonable, detestable or insignificant about it.

[PCBOX]

You cant seperate 900p from 1080p as long as you dont have extreme eagle eyes. It has been clinically confirmed. Most of the console gamers use under 50inch TV plus most of the console gamers look at the screen at least 5-6 feet away. Under those circumstances you cant seperate it. Dont claim that you can that just makes you idiot. That is not an excuse on the other hand. MS created a very powerful machine but delivered wrong API(just read DF vs Metro dev) wrong tools thats why the machine suffers from res.issues.

Better res. Doesnt mean better visuals. Better visuals come with good qualified 3d assets and high LOD. Ryse is 900p but more than enough to destroy anything on PS4. Visuals doesnt make a game good game. DR3 720p but the best game on this gen ever played. That game is pure fun. Good games make a console successful. PS2 was the weakest but the best console of its time because it had the best games not the best hardware.

[kevnb]

When we are talking about Xbox and playstation we are dealing with 99% of the same games, if one system is stronger it will obviously sell better.

[XanderZane]

The original Xbox was much stronger then the PS2, yet the PS2 sold better. No one cared about the resolution or better performance of the XBox at that time. Same could be said for the Wii last gen. It also sold a lot more systems and games then the XBox 360 and PS3 and it was easily the weakest system of the bunch. So no, a stronger system doesn't automatically equal better sales. That's an Urban Legend. lol!! Lesson learned.

[kevnb]

The ps2 and the xbox did not get the same support from third parties at all. Sony had tons of huge third party exclusives and if you were lucky some of them might of ended up on xbox a year later.
You miss the point, other than a few games here and there people are buying these systems to play the exact same games. The ps2 had vastly more games than the xbox, it also took a year to get an xbox version of any of the gta games. The wii was a huge fad because of the motion controls, not to mention the iconic Nintendo franchises like Mario kart and Zelda being playable with motion controls just can't be ignored (considering the now dead fad).
Xbox has halo, but it's getting stale and sony has whatever naughty dog pumps out. Let's face it though, most gamers want the next call of duty, elder scrolls, battlefield, assassins creed etc...

[XanderZane]

My point still stands and is a FACT. Not sure how you can argue that at all.

[kevnb]

With tvs getting bigger and better you better believe 1080p is a priority.

[lemoncake]

4k is priority, hd tvs are so yesterday.

[AgentSmithPS4]

I'd much rather have VR than 4k, who wants to see 4k porn where you can see the warts, herpes sores, and all the other unfortunate things extremely well?

[Father__Merrin]

seems like an apologetic article, I ask a question WHY should a game be 900p when 1080p can be reached, why can't you have the best you can technically have according to your specs.

as far as I'm concerned 1080 looks better than 900 combined with better overall settings you have a better game.

we all know what's the point in this article

[noob_zero]

People are still gonna bitch about it.

[Reaper29r]

I wonder how people are going to cope as the gen progresses and the ps4 can no longer do 1080p. Unless the devs decide to not push it anymore. Yes it will improve over time, but I don't think you guys understand how much power res takes up. It's usually best to use a lower res with an efficient AA. I want full HD as much as the next guy, but not at the expense of the developers vision and possible game stability. Maybe once 2015 rolls around and exclusives start coming out for Playstation, the superiority complex will subside.

[Flames76]

To be honest the visuals are brighter and the game is more detail on the XOne.

[MRMagoo123]

Who starts a comment " to be honest" then lies right after it?

[AutoCad]

Its just a number for people to boast about...
I dont understand why its such a huge deal if you playing it on either console.Especially,people who only own a ps4 seem to make a bigger uproar about it than xb1 owners..

It baffles me.

[S2Killinit]

pretty big difference to me.

[jay2]

To the editor, we were meant to get 1080P with the 360/ps3, we didn't, it should be the rule not the accept this time round, yes ps4 is being held back with unity because it's the weaker hardware due to kinect, people are pissed off and rightly so it needs to stop and the ps4 version should be allowed to run at full HD just like the 10's of other games that already run higher on it than the xbone. People who can't see the difference need to wear wear glasses, to me it's like compairing a VHS to blu-ray in those shots.

[AgentSmithPS4]

The 1080p obviously looks better, if you can't see that you need better glasses and/or a better monitor/TV. But I would settle for 720p if everything else was great including the AI, but I won't believe any BS AI claims since I'm so often let down.

If Ubisoft wants me to buy their games they need to make their games better, I'm not talking about resolution here but if their gameplay is a '900' now and they increase it to '1080' that still wouldn't be good enough.

[sovkhan]

It's so funny, when last gen 2 pixels of foliage make the xbox brand screams for superiors...

Now that one console handles somthing like 44% more pixels, its does not matter anymore???

GTFO!!! I don't care about resolution, as gameplay matters more to me, but for someone who brags about two useless pixels last gen to come now negating that 44% more power...

I'll call him hypocrite!!!

[Thomaticus]

If the devs aren't going to optimize for each console, then Nintendo, Steam, Microsoft, Sony need to come together and make one console. We all know that won't happen so devs need to make the game as best they can for each console. When you spending your money you want the best. Instead of trying to search for parity, include features that play to the strengths to each console. MS has kinect, USE IT! X1 version is 900p but hey here are some kinect features to make up for it.

[RedstonerMC]

Listen mofo's if it didn't matter people wouldn't be fighting over it. Whether you wanna sit on the sidelines and let companies like ubisoft bend you over like the bitch you are or you wanna do what us fighting over this "petty issue" are doing and try raising awareness it CLEARLY does matter. Stop trying to shrink this issue down. It *Does* matter and i still care about gameplay and story depth and character progression and voice acting and art style and all sorts of other things but i want the most out of my console and that's that. No exceptions.

[XanderZane]

If it really mattered to you that much, you would be playing all your games on a PC at 1440P and 60fps. The PS4 is still inferior to the PC for multiplats. So you're still not playing these games on the best platform. Yeah.. no exceptions, like you say. lol!! I want great fun the most out of my game consoles. That's what I bought them for.

[RedstonerMC]

I do play on a PC I have a GTX 780 hooked up and keep at a consistent 1080p 60fps on just about any game i play that i don't mod to all hell with graphical mods like skyrim for example. However i still enjoy console gaming and want the best out of my console. Arguing that PC is the best Platform is like saying a Spaceship is the best automobile. Pc master-race has been established, calm down. Also my tv is only 1920x1080 the whole 4k thing is a bit expensive.

[russo121]

Some math:

1080p - 900p = 180p;

900p - 720p = 180p;

In the eyes of xbonners there is a little to no existant difference in 180 pixels - that's what math demonstrates.

The question is, why have you upgraded to xbone if it's only an imperceptible visual difference to xbox360? - the difference in pixels, as math demonstrates, are the same! I just don't understand your logic.

[TheUpbringer]

"This current-gen gaming has evolved in reverse direction, nowadays gameplay is not much important, it's about which game runs at higher resolution, pixels and FPS. What exactly happened to the love for the gameplay? it took a back-seat."

I friggin' love this quote, and sums up what I think about this whole debacle. It's odd because it was only a few years ago it seemed that these big publishers were prioritizing graphical horsepower over gameplay. Now publishers actually wanna focus on doing the best it can and suddenly the positions have been reversed.

[masterfox]

All this issues about resolution in consoles is cause Nintendo and Microsoft fault, if their consoles were capable of pulling 1080p easely like the PS4, we would only talk about gameplay in our games and not resolution numbers, full HD is a must in videogames by now like it or not, but thanks to its limited vision by Nintendo and MS in terms of videogames all this annoyance in resolution gate is always blown up of proportion.

I'm having a blast playing all my games in 1080p on my PS4 and people saying is not the visuals is about the gameplay well then don't buy the xbone/wii U then and stay with the Wii and 360!, bunch of hipocrites!.

[XanderZane]

I can see the differences, but it so minor that I could care less. The games will play pretty much the same anyways. If I were developers, I wouldn't even provide the resolution info. Just make the game and release it. Let the masses figure it for themselves. I don't remember them announcing any resolution info last year. We had to check it on the back of the box. I honestly think developers should program an option to low or raise the resolution and FPS for people who wanted to. Not everyone has a 1080P HDTV anyways. I actually buy some games on a different platform because of the controls. For FPS, Sports and some action/adv games like Batman Arkham Asylum, I like the XB1/Xbox 360 controller. For JRPG, Fighting games, 3rd persion games like Dark Souls and Diablo 3, I prefer the PS4 consoller. Unless there is a huge performance different, I will get these type of games for these systems when they are multiplats. It's all about gameplay.

[fullmetal297]

900p upscaled on a native 1080p monitor looks very different.

[girlwithturn]

Lol at this hypocrisy. Are they start to forget how they searched a few pixels in ps3/360 multiplatform?

[DoggyBiscuit]

PS4 is just better point blank period

[dafegamer]

As long as the game plays good, I don't care

[2cents]

Xbox 360 & PS3 were outputting 720p HD ready resolution. When I am then charged £300 to £400 for the new consoles 10 years later the least my mind expects is a jump for HD ready to 1080p Full HD. That is just my opinion based on the fact that these co soles are new tech and cost a lot of cash. Every other part of the argument is true aswell, but those point have remained a constant throughout the gaming generations. Games should be compelling enough to play. But the res and hardware is a separate issue that should be considered when someone is expected to fork out a huge wad of cash for a new generation of hardware. 8bot, 16bit 34bit 64bit. Old gamers are used to seeing a leap in fidelity. Yes the new consoles can pump out some amazing amounts of assets but most gamers also expect a jump in resolution.

Just my 2cents

[gemini2]

Listen I have a 65 inch 4k tv and you can't tell the difference from 900p to 1080p unless you go 2 inches to the screen and have eagle eyes combing through the entire screen.720p u will notice the difference to 1080p @ aroung 50 inches.6o inches and above you don't notice the difference until you reach 2k and 4k resolution.2k and 4k resoloution you need to be 10 feet away to see the difference.The further you are away the less you will notice the rez difference.

I have both systems actually I have all XB1,PS4,Wii u,PC and a vita.I love gaming and in all honesty fanboys are wrecking gaming and it's tragic.Those who are saying you can tell the difference from the provided pics are liars unless you all brought out your magnifying glasses.You would have to zoom in 150% on the image to see it and consoles don't allow that so u would never see it much less in action.Ryse is 900p and is the best looking console game period.Disagree well Digital Foundry say's it is and Siggraph awarded Ryse best graphics.Siggraph is the oscars for games and everybody here loves DF.

Bottom line Graphics and resolution are 2 different things.You can have a 1080p image with good textures or a 900p image with realastic textures guess which one would look better?1080p does not make a game better may make the image a little sharper but if your textures are not that great what is the point of a sharper image.Textures are what makes a game look great period...It should be about exclusive games and great game play..DC is pretty to look @ minus the jaggies but game play is meh with stripped down features so graphics don't make a game great...

[parentsbasement]

until the PS4 gets a better OS and can "snap" , it is inferior to the Xbox imo....

[Spartacus10]

Until xbox doesnt waste its already inferior RAM on non-essential things, it will remain inferior to the PS4 imo....

[LetoAtreides82]

I can see the differences easily:
1: Clothing and hands are more detailed on the PS4 version. You can barely see the fingernail on the Xbone version.

2: There's some motion blur going on in the PS4 version making the top of her hood and her cape seem less detailed but that's just motion blur. You can see her clothing looks more detailed on the PS4 at her midsection.

3: The branches and the leaves from the tree at the top right have more detail on the PS4 version.

4: The Battlefield comparison pics should have been upconverted to 1080p just like everything is upconverted to 1080p on the PS4 and the Xbone.

[marloc_x]

The only difference you have seen is the caption,"PS4" on the bottom left..

Motion blur? Really..

[jairusmonillas]

The difference is huge, because if a game is being developed less than 1080p then it should have more advantage on other graphical parts like AA, Lightnings, Textures, higher FPS and with Xbox one being 40% weaker the extra benefits from making the game low resolution won't shop up on PS4 so to make up for it devs are forced to make PS4 version get more resolution than get additional graphical upgrades or higher framerates because PS4 is more powerful.

[D-riders]

Not sure what a still picture as to do with what my TV shows but...... let me know. When you can explain

[g4n]

ROLFMFAO!!!!!
My LAPTOP is at 1800p (razer 2014) and that's not even top notch. You're really worried about 1080p, let alone (even more lol) 900p!!!!??? GET IN THIS CENTURY!

[64commando]

When I play PC, and I switch directly from 900p or higher to 1080p I can easily tell the difference. Even between the sharpness of the the font. There is scientific reasons that 1080p is considered "Full HD" and 720 or 900p is "Sub HD". They are not random numbers. Sorry if I have a high standard for gaming but when I pay a lot of money for gaming machines advertising their graphics I'm gonna get the 1080p one.

[Wulfstan]

Its almost 2015 and we still cant get native 1080p on all the home consoles. Quite pathetic actually.

[CertifiedGamer]

How about this as an excuse on why I want 1080p, I love how the game looks in 900p and it looks awesome but unfortunately I didn't choose a console for 900p or 720p, I chose the console that can push 1080p, if I would have had a 4K tv then I would have chosen a PC. Case in point, I want the game to display the maximum amount of pixels that my tv can display. 900p is just simply unacceptable this gen and Sony made a consoles that is meant to play 1080p as a standard. Its not Sonys fault that Xbox One couldn't meet that standard but 1080p is the norm this generation and thats what gamers want. 900p is also unacceptable because X1 can easily push it so everyone knows PS4 cans fan do more than that for that reason.

[jon3sy9]

im pretty sure most of the comments on this site are from 1 person with a shitload of made up accounts. He must get paid to write hundreds of pro sony comments per day on every site because theyre all full of them. Really boring to read YAWN!!!!

[level 360]

The better the resolution the better to see the entire picture/video.

It's just the facts.

[Nivalis]

the difference is more pronounced in moving images, pixel crawl is worse at 900p and overall the image on a tv appears slightly blurry due to non native res.

[Macdaddy71]

I can tell you it really don't matter, I own ps4 n X1... N I still buy all my games for X1...they no way to tell the diff...
All game makers need to release there games n don't say a word bout the 1080 or 900... It's no law that they have to, but I'm sure someone would make a big deal out of..if half the ps4 owners would worry bout fixing or world as much as they worry bout having 1080 over the X1.. We may have a great place to live again lol

[Kakashi Hatake]

You realize PS4 versions of games have more advantages than just resolution, right? They tend to have better shadows, AA, textures, effects, etc.

[iiorestesii]

@macdaddy
Amen brother. Except for the part about buying games on X1

[MetroidFREAK21]

It's not a huge difference? Who would've thought!?

[OutcastMosquito]

Boo hooo! Assassins creed runs at 900p on both PS4 and Xbox One? Big bloody deal! Stop whining and focus on what matters which is gameplay, story and content! The last of us ran at 720p on PS3 and its "the best game of all time" according to some people so seriously I fail to see a problem with 900p. The gaming community makes me sick to my core.

[MetroidFREAK21]

You and me both

[OutcastMosquito]

I'm not surprised with all the dislikes, just proves my point even further. Too many cry babies on this site.

[Jack_Reacher]

I love the way we keep hearing how these fanboy wars should stop.

Yet last gen xbox fans did nothing but stick it to ps3 owners over and over about the smallest difference in games. Hell does anyone remember the sh@t storm on here when mafia 2 on 360 had extra patches of grass in the open world settings. That was fine. But now the boot is on the other foot its all "oh lets all be nice. Why should we fight the difs are just small".

Well sorry but you reap what you sow.

I think its so funny.

[souga_houjou_jin]

who cares the ps4 is still the best

[Many-hat5]

Like many, I was hoping this generation would be 1080p 60fps as standard.It doesn't appear that's going to be the case.For me, higher resolution with lower frame rates is not a good option. If we really want good graphics, spectacular effects,smooth gameplay AND leave room for devs to concentrate on gameplay, then 720p 60fps is the way to go. The reality here is Sony and MS went for ease of development and cheapness of production when they chose poor quality PC parts for their consoles.But what concerns me more, is the apparent lack of ingenuity and creativity among devs.Great games are practically non existent, and even good games are becoming rarer.Yep, just my opinion guys.

[Kennytaur]

To me, the difference between 900p and 1080p isn't as important as having a solid framerate and v-sync. The difference is most notable in 2D games and text-heavy games.

[iiorestesii]

If when you say pressure developers you are in fact referring to all this Ubisoft fuss (which you are) maybe a dev could avoid a lot of pressure (boo hoo) by NOT needlessly flaming the debate and saying "were not even reaching for 1080p on the principle of fairness". This crap is getting more political than polotics.

[Kumomeme]

actually it has huge different..the problem is wherever people see it or not
some people probably doesnt notice the different,
but for people who doesnt see it,on paper we can see the clear different
1920x1080p had 2073600 pixel(1.44 pixel greater than 900p)
while 1600x900 had 1440000 pixel(1.29x greater than 792p)

1280x720p had 921600 pixels(not even 1 million pixels)
and
4k had four times pixels than 1080p by the way

[cruzngta]

I will take 1080p anyday over 900p if given the choice. HOWEVER...900p on the Bone upscaled to 1080p looks really good. The machine does a fine job upscaling from 900 to 1080. If all it did was display the basic 900p rez than that would be worse but its better upscaled. Thats what I love about the PS4 - most games are in 1080p and on a native 1080p display look crisp and beautiful. I think this will be more of the norm from here on out. XB1 will mostly hit 900 and 1080 while PS4 will nail 1080p consistently as long as devs dont try to pull the shit Ubisoft is doing with AC. I hope they cave from all of the outlash and upgrade the PS4 to 1080p where it SHOULD be anyway.

[Khronikos]

900p is plain annoying. This whole debate is pointless. No one will choose 900p over 1080p if they have a choice. A lot of things are worse at 900p. I wouldn't touch a 900p game if you paid me though.

Pretty sick of this apologist crap for a certain console that was poorly designed.

[csreynolds]

"Don't you think its high time now that the fan war should stop arguing and fighting on these petty issues?"

*writes article about fan war issue bound to spark fan war (evidence by the comments on this post*

Great logic.

And incidentally, who would take 900p when 1080p is available? No one. If I was offering you a £10 note and a £20 note, would you take the £10?

[Claudinho69]

enough differences, or else high end tvs wouldn't sell.

[Stoppokingme]

If you can't notice the difference between resolutions then you may need glasses. The difference is not mind blowing but it is definitely noticeable.

Multiplats will still look amazing on both consoles, but the PS4 will make them look slightly more amazing.