The Order: 1886 Dev Defends Destiny: Review Under 8 Is Ludicrous, Deserves More Just For Scope & Art

Bungie's Destiny received mixed response from critics, review score were as low as 6 and many termed it as the "most overhyped and biggest disappointment of 2014". These criticism didn't came as a surprise for many as Bungie, Activision and Sony marketed/advertised the title as the next big thing in FPS genre which will re-write the records in the history book. Did the low review scores for Destiny came as a surprise? YES, for Ready At Dawn Co-founder Andrea Pessino.

[mochachino]

Probably not a good idea to attach yourself to defending Destiny, especially when people are saying your game may be a bit shallow as well.

That being said, Destiny is worth more than a 6/10 imo

[cyclindk]

Good point, it does somewhat bear that stigma at this point

[UltimateMaster]

This is the bad thing about this generation so far.
Gamers are hating on games, often times without valid reason, giving them extremely low scores like 2/100.

The shear effort of a game like this is not a 2/100. 10/100 is Atari's ET, it gets 10 because it starts. You got games on PC that can't even do that that get higher scores than this, but nobody is playing them.

It is killing the AAA industry. If everyone starts to flip out and review bad scores, we may in fact kill the industry and be forced to play casual mobile games because they would rate bad games a 110/100, even complete micro-transaction scam games.

If you are a REAL gamer, you would be fair and just with your review.
Sadly, trolls, haters and fanboys that are pissed will bash any games they get their hands on.

It is not under 7, it is not a 10 either.
I've played much worst games than this and if this is a 6 or less, then we would really need to re-evaluate previous games, like Halo ODST, which was supposed to be an add-on DLC to Halo 3 but it got changed and was charged as a full game.

[MrPink2013]

It also comes across as being nothing more than a spokesman on Sony's behalf. They are a studio working for Sony and we all know Sony bet big on Destiny.

[ShinMaster]

""Deserves More Just For Scope & ART""???

HAHAHAHA! Are they serious?

The graphics may be pretty but it lacks a decent art direction. Its design is bland and generic. Absolutely no personality. Gear is too similar. All weapons look the same. Environments are uninspired. I mean, holy s**, Bungie, you only had 3 classes to work with and you couldn't be any more creative with your designs?
How can a supposedly "epic" game have such an un-epic story with absolutely no memorable characters. 1 area per planet.

....Oh but it's ok, you just gotta buy the DLC, right?

[DOMination-]

Its becaise their own game is probably going to suffer a similar fate.

[Nolando]

@shin master

Totally agree. the COMMERCIALS and hype that bungie and activision made for this game was promising the next mass effect saga story with better borderlands gameplay...

EH! is all I hear about those two aspects.

[RyujiDanma]

theres nothing wrong with the game, people just got too overhyped, playstation fans thought they were gonna receive the next halo. Great game if u play with friends, but have found it boring when i complete mission on my own

[Christopher]

Has nothing to do with fans of one thing or another. People just wanted a new FPS IP and were hoping that Destiny would be good enough to replace CoD, BF, and Halo. People want another FPS competitor out there.

Been playing Destiny. Been having some fun. Definitely a game that's a lot more fun with others and definitely not a great game. It's a good game, but they really have some issues with it.

[Scatpants]

Other than the lacking story and the fact that the game doesn't seem to have any big action setpieces that people have become used to with AAA FPS series I think the game is great and will only get better. I give it an 8.

Really though they could have done better with the action scenes, like how about a building exploding and you have to race out of it on your sparrow dodging falling debris, that would have been awesome and exciting, but it's just get to a point, activate your ghost, fight waves of enemies, repeat. I hope they have something else in the works because that is going to grow stale very quickly.

Oh and I hope they don't save space battles for the sequel, because that would make the game tons better for me.

[tommygunzII]

Most people expected a Borderlands type game, but everyone had to go see it for themselves.

[Alsybub]

@tommygunzII

That's the problem with the expectations people have, they are always basing them on past experiences and therefore on games that have already been done.

It's a good game but I think people tend to be a little bit entitled and spoilt these days and expect the moon on a stick.

I'm not saying that about Destiny, I mean in general. It's the first time that I've ever known devs to change a game in order to pander to gamers. Is that a good thing? It depends on how you look at it. It's great that people can have their voices heard but on the other hand it could also prevent developers from being willing to take risks on original ideas, due to being scared of the community back lash, forcing the original vision of something to be lost because it doesn't fit with outsiders' opinions on what a game should be.

It's like when people say 'it doesn't play like CoD so it isn't good'. Since when has plagiarism been a mark of quality? The problem with this is that the mainstream love CoD and therefore, potentially, have the biggest voice. I don't want them to decide what does and doesn't make a good game! Appealing to the masses doesn't make a game better than one that appeals to a niche audience and all mainstream games began as niche and grew from there.

[3-4-5]

Yea, right Mochachino - it's better to just do whatever everyone else is doing /s.

[mochachino]

Just saying that a developer that's about to release a game that some previews are reporting has great graphics in lieu of exciting/fun gameplay may not want to say a game should be rated higher based on scope and art alone. It just supports the current concerns regarding its own game that perhaps the dev is focusing too much on graphics and not enough on locking down the gameplay.

Lots of games have had great art and innovative ideas that didn't come together to make a good game. Sure they get and E for effort but it doesn't mean they don't deserve a low rating. Destiny is disappointing and bland but the gunplay is really fun with friends - it's no 6/10 imo but anything above 8.5 is pushing it, there's just too many flaws. I'd give it about 7.5 personally.

Scope and art alone are not enough to make a good game, it can certainly contribute towards a great game but fundamentally the game must be fun..and I think Destiny is generally fun with friends (terrible without) and I have every expectation that the Order will be good as well.

But it's hard for anyone to say Destiny's story is good, or the missions aren't repetitive, or it generates interesting social interactions, or the environments are vibrant and interesting, or exploration is vast and rewarding, or requires class based strategy, or it's a deep game, etc. It is a very very flawed game but maintains an addictive quality so long as you or your friends don't tire with it.

TL;DR version:

If a chef in cooking competition attempts to make a 7 course dinner in 45 mins to obliterate the competition that's plated beautifully ok but everything's kinda bland except for a pretty good dipping sauce (gunplay) and some courses taste horrible (story) and the other guy makes a great one course meal, just a meat and two sides that tastes amazing. Who gets an E for effort and who made a 5 star dinner?

[tgunzz]

They better just focus on making The Order the best it can be. It's not mainly about visuals (I mean scope, and art)....

[VealParmHero]

first thing i thought...maybe he is worried about the same fate? idk i still like destiny, and have all intentions on buying the order, for now.

[markyboy2181]

yea i think there hiding summit now maybe the order wont live up to its hype either :(

[Dark11]

The order doesn't even have a hype to live up to
the game is getting mixed impressions from almost every site out there.

[PingasoFromHell]

The order looks good, but if it lacks story then its going to suck since it probably won't have competitive multiplayer for example battlefield 3 and 4, what made those games great was multiplayer...single player was mediocre at best

[Patrick_pk44]

Because Battlefield focuses on MP and not SP, however, it is the opposite for Ready at Dawn.

[Dark11]

He is trying soften the blow before we see the order reviews.

[XtraTrstrL]

That was my first thought upon reading the title.

[CaspuR]

lmao games nowadays think they can get high marks just for graphics and having a good idea. Smh.

[cell989]

It's not like The Order releases next week. what blow anyway? Waaaaayyyyyy too soon to judge anything related to The Order, your comment is rendered invalid, unless you somehow got your hands on it and already played the alpha.

How come reviews gave Destiny a 6, yet I'm having a blast with the game? These reviewers give these bad scores and all, but I bet you anything they're still playing the crap out of it lol #guiltypleasure

[CaspuR]

6 out of ten doesnt make the game unplayable, just doesnt make it a good game. I love the hell out of alot of bad movies, but just because i love the movie doesn't mean i think its a good quality film.

[mikel1015]

You can create a beautiful world, but if playing that world is garbage, you're game is still bad. Deal with it

[cell989]

I don't consider Destiny a bad game at all, so it doesn't fall into your garbage category. The game offers quality gaming, provided you have friends to play it with

[mcarsehat]

Scope and Art DON'T make a good game, coming from the Order dev, this seems to say what The Order 1886's main goals are as a game and it worries me, not every game HAS to be a tech demo.

I am excited for The Order, i will be on my tiptoes now though thanks to that comment. They are the words of the average 14 year old :(

[gameDevWannaBe]

Has u not seen the order gameplay? it's a shooter like other shooters. I think the new Remedy game will be a let down also.

[gameDevWannaBe]

Have u not seen the order gameplay? it's a shooter like other shooters. I think the new Remedy game will be a let down also.

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

[jhoward585]

The Order: 1886 Dev Defends Destiny: Review Under 8 Is Ludicrous, Deserves More Just For Scope & Art

We gamers Deserves the truth, not hype.

[quaneylfc]

Hype - Yeah, not a real thing...

[SteamPowered]

The truth lies somewhere in the middle of Hype vs Reality. Its almost worth it to down-play the game in hopes that it becomes a sleeper hit, rather than deal with the internet and its ire.

[Dudebro90]

Just because it has scope doesn't mean it deserves a high rating.

For two years, bungie has been promising a lot more than they delivered. So simply because they claim they are going to do amazing and new things, they should be praised?

I don't think so chief.

[Quadraxis]

A game doesn't become good just because of it's art direction and technical merits. Such statement only makes me think less of The Order.

[ZAF]

But but i gave it 4/5 T_T

[LazyGoron]

It gets old seeing all the Destiny hate comments, we get it, you felt disappointed and/or cheated. Destiny is turning into the new COD.

I still fail to understand why the game gets reviewed at under 7. It's not the best game I've ever played but it's a lot of fun and is easy to put good hours into. I play with friends all the time and never have a problem communicating or enjoying myself. If solo I'll just replay missions on harder levels to exp up or I'll run around doing patrol missions, hopping in as many public events as I can.

That's just me... but if it's not for you then don't play it. But just because it's not for you doesn't mean anyone cares or wants to hear your negative opinion.

Anyone wh complains about "hype" must be an adolescent because since I could drive myself to the store I only have ever bought games I wanted, never what was on TV or reviewed well. "Hype" means that you purchased because you saw it on TV and people talked about it.

Also, it should be taken into consideration that huge AAA games like this always get reviewed at a much stricter standard than others. See what happens when the next ND game or Bioshock game comes. They might fair better but they'll get the same crazy attention Destiny got.

[Aceman18]

I agree with everything you said here because that's what I've been doing since the games release lol. Me and my friends are enjoying the hell out of this game, and aren't about to let haters ruin our enjoyment.

[Spotie]

Folks just wanna be on the popular side of this controversy, even if it's stupid.

[cyclindk]

I can say that as a developer he probably means this from that perspective, knowing what goes into even the smallest details of making a game, but certainly it's no basis on which to rate a game in its entirety. Use those features in the "visual design" and "technical" portions of a review. Game still has to have substance to achieve something more though, usually anyway.

[WeAreLegion]

So, everyone has to trash The Order. Cool.

I'm enjoying Destiny. It's not quite as expansive as I would like it to be, but it's a fun game. Giving it a 6 is criminal, however.

[zerocrossing]

Scope and art is only part of a game, if it's lacking in other areas of course it will effect the overall score. Take Ryse for example, it had great graphics but poor gameplay and Kinect integration let it down.

If developers honestly don't understand this then they really have no business making games...

[Godmars290]

Yeah, from what I've seen of 1886, it exactly what Destiny is: A linear FPS which serves as a vehicle for a story which doesn't necessarily serve the FPS. Its more reliant on hype than its mechanics to be a success. To sell enough copies to make a profit before people realize that its only more of the same.

Not that such will stop people from buying DLC, much less the sequel which the devs will promise will bebetter.

[zerocrossing]

Exactly, I can honestly see The Order 1886 bombing pretty hard when it finally hits store shelves.

[Imalwaysright]

if these are RaD standards, it wouldn't surprise me.

[GameDev1]

"Yeah, from what I've seen of 1886, it exactly what Destiny is: A linear FPS which serves as a vehicle for a story which doesn't necessarily serve the FPS. Its more reliant on hype than its mechanics to be a success."

I cant believe people actually agreed with your comment, people just want to dislike The Order because its an exclusive or because they are trying hard to nitpick faults from very little gameplay

Lets start with comparisons
The Order is a linear (not judging yet) Third person shooter not FPS

The Order takes a strongly story driven narrative approach with no multiplayer or co -op, while Destiny fails on story but strifes on multiplayer

Destiny has a big enough space for exploration (cant judge the Order fully on this yet)

The Order is set in a victorian era with steam punk weapon inventions, Destiny is set in a whole other different world with different weapons

You concentrate on only Sir Galahad as your main character in the Order, Destiny allows you to create your own character.

The Order visuals are of a very high standard, Destiny is just good looking

The Order uses a new approach in branching QTE, Destiny has none

The Order tries to create a relationship between the Order characters and history, Destiny is go in and shoot

Pretty sure I can keep on going differentiating between The Order and Destiny if i knew it would require much effort

So tell me Destiny which has been fully released with mixed reviews as an only online game to a five minute demo of the Order which is single player, How the hell are they the same??

[Godmars290]

First off, if you're complaining about nitpicking yet not getting that FPS is the same thing as TPS, then you're not understanding where I'm coming from. Likewise a straight sci-fi setting or steampunk setting doesn't matter, fundamentally those settings are interchangeable.

The key point is that both are shooters. No real difference between them, COD, Gears of War, Halo or Killzone but for a few differentiating mechanics from vehicles to multiplayer to QTE.

With Destiny the story is there to loosely tie together why you're shooting things, while with 1886 it seems to be that shooting segments are a thing done to get to the next movie cutscene. Its busy work for while you watch a movie.

If Destiny had striven to have elements from something like Fallout or Demons Soul's, where you engaged in conversations and built relationships with given factions of aliens and surviving humans while achieving other goals to rebuild civilization, with multiplayer, that would be way beyond the concept of a "mere shooter". but when all is said and done Destiny is just a mere shooter.

And while I can't speak for 1886 just yet, that talk was floating around that it might have had multiple endings which would have gone a long way in separating it from other shooters, that the devs shot such an idea down also shot down that hope.

[GameDev1]

@Godmars

How the hell is FPS the same thing as TPS? These gameplay approach alone can give gamers different experience

Setting matters also, The Order garnered a good amount of interest alone because its setting was something not done before with weapons and gadgets that dont even relate to that era, then the introduction of historians to the story makes the whole setting unique from the generic TPS

"The key point is that both are shooters"

No, that is not the key point, that is the only point. Since you can shoot in both of them, why not just compare them to every other game you can shoot in. Your argument is ridiculous

Fact is that you are at this point absolutely clueless to what The Order will bring apart from a short sneak peek, yet you feel like you can compare it to Destiny based on "They are shooters" are you kidding me? Are gamers really this ignorant?

I am not even defending the bashing of Destiny at the point because I havent played it. but have it with me. I usually dont read reviews but I might just love Destiny because of certain elements like Andrea Pessino, doesnt mean all the game I am making or like will take concepts from Destiny, just like you are judging Andrea pessino comments, when it is simply his opinion rather than something he is planning to relay on the game he is developing

[Christopher]

You're kinda way off there, Godmars.

First, it's not an FPS.

Second, it has very little hype since it's already being bashed for being linear and a Gears clone. Let alone their choice to go with making it feel more like a movie than a standard game in certain ways.

Third, how did being linear work out for Uncharted and The Last of Us? Just because it's linear doesn't mean it's a bad game. People need to stop using it like it's some sort of indicator of a good or bad game.

Fourth, none of the above means that I think The Order will be a great game. But, I'm not going to use another game's issues and the design choices of it as far as linear or not, focus on storytelling, and framerate decisions as a sign of the quality before we've even seen anything close to the final product. I'm not personally hyped for the game, but it could turn out good. I'm just not sure. Though, I do wish they would use those daggers/swords they carry around more than what I've seen in the gameplay videos.

[Godmars290]

Uncharted and Last of Us *ARE* shooters. They are games which feature shooting something/someone as the key means of advancing through them. They also have platforming, puzzle and stealth elements, as well as in-game conversation which compliments full cutscenes, endears characters to players rather than Destiny's mere exposition dumps, but they are at their cores shooters. Their multiplayer modes announces as much.

Maybe - very likely - The Order will live up to the standards of UC and TLoU, but right now - to me - its just another dystopian setting where anything you see you kill - with a gun.

[mhunterjr]

Softening the blow... I suspect the order will be received similarly, unless they have made some strides in the gameplay department.

The fact that he would award 2 review points for scope and art, despite glaring deficiencies in execution, doesn't speak well to his priorities as a game developer. I really don't want The Order to be shallow, but I'm terrified that it will be.

[Imalwaysright]

Have not played the game and I won't ever play it but saying that
any game deserves a 8 because of its scope and art alone is absolutely ridiculous.

[NeoGamer232]

It depends on how you rate games... But, to me... Even though I don't like Destiny I have to give it at least an 8/10....

There is nothing wrong with the gameplay mechanics, there is lots of customization, the multi-player is solid, but the campaign is average.

I don't know how a game with solid gameplay mechanics and a decent multi-player gets anything less than an 8. The campaign is not that horrible.

[Aceman18]

It's today's gaming media and the haters who just follow along right behind them. A close friend of mine has no interest in this game and even he can tell that the gameplay is solid and it looks fun to play. He even said the reviews of 6s is a complete and utter joke.

[Gemmol]

from what you wrote it sound more like a 7 and you only give it one more point because Bungie made it, take away the name of the people who make it and their past games, judge the game on its whole and you will see its between a 6 and a 7......6 is not a bad score people keep thinking 6 is crappy, 6 means the game works, its still playable, but since its a 6 theres a chance majority wont like it, but there will be a few that like it......8 means a good amount of people will like it, and so on and so on

[HappyWithOneBubble]

He right. The reviews are BS. What if MS paying these sites to give Destiny low scores. Think about it, MS couldn't advertise Destiny only Sony could. Remember the cologne joke! MS knows PS4 will have the better Destiny sales. Like how come Titanfall have better reviews and it have less content than Destiny? And MS buys Mojang in the same month Destiny release. Something to think about.

[Chris12]

That's why you're happywithonebubble. SMH

[poppinslops]

This guy... I love this guy.

According to sales data just out of the UK, Destiny sold roughly the same number of copies on both Playstation and Xbox consoles...

Why does a different game have higher review scores? Well, it all started back when Xenu dumped Bill Gates' soul into the volcano... See, Xenu - Supreme Galactic Overlord that he was - FEARED Bill's ability to influence reviews for videogames that perpetuate negative alien stereotypes...

[GameDev1]

Okay from what I am seeing from the comments

One dev from The Order gives his own opinion on rewarding Destiny for its Scope and Art and suddenly he speaks for the other numerous devs and Sony Santa Monica working on The Order to the extent people are now comparing them with scores when they both take a totally different approach and there has hardly been much gameplay seen from The Order

These comments are fascinating

[StrawberryDiesel420]

They realize the work and effort that goes into creating something like this. I'm still blown away personally by the choices we have as gamers and the sheer amount of games to play. The quality of the games is outstanding. So many people would rather complain than enjoy what the developers have worked years for to create. Destiny isn't my thing but clearly tons of love and work went into creating the game and the universe. Anything under a 7 is probably unfair and not justified for a game of this scope. Unless the gameplay just plain sucks and feels totally generic, then I could understand. Anyone I know who picked it up at launch has been enjoying it so the game can't be that bad. I think it was designed to be played with friends for most enjoyment and satisfaction.

[matrixman92]

what scope? Its borderlands with not as much content, trying to be disguised by big areas that spawn the exact same enemies every 5 seconds and bullet sponge bosses

[KuroKazuma]

I smell future damage control for the order

[OC_MurphysLaw]

Scope and Art... two items that will help make a game nicer but certainly won't make a game good. The gameplay and core elements need to be strong. If they are not, then why should we care about the scope and art if the foundation is broken or lacking?

[StrawberryDiesel420]

Well said, it all comes down to engaging gameplay. That's what keeps the gamer coming back for more, not the graphics and art style.

[FsterThnFTL]

Don't worry Ready At Dawn you are next. People already are saying that The Order is too linear, that will not translate too well in the reviews for it, if that is indeed true.

[katzura66]

I dont get why people buy games based on reviews its not like there is a universal guide to score a game by. What ive seen so far is mainly opinions of these "journalists" that score it based on, i liked this but not this and so on. Just play the demo at the store or watch gameplay without audio and judge for yourselves instead of relying on someone elses opinion.

[Speak_da_Truth]

the only ppl disappointed with Destiny are the ones who over hyped it as for me i got what I wanted out of Destiny so I don't regret my purchase one bit

[Jughead3416]

I would definitely give this game at least an 8 on the pure fun this game delivers. It's not perfect, but it's technically very good, the art style and graphics are amazing. A 6 is absolutely criminal. I know Bungie is like, What The Heck!!!

[S2Killinit]

the low reviews are brought to you by Microsoft.

[SovereignSnaKe]

I recall I was going to purchase a PS3 specifically to play Lair when the console launched, we saw how that turned out. I'm feeling the same way about The Order unfortunately. :-/

[leogets]

Any game without a solid multiplayer isnt worth the money anyway

[Predaking77]

In this generation, we don't need reviewers as we have mechanisms as PlayStation live to see others playing a game and judge for ourselves.the opinion of a reviewer does not reflects my likes as the opinions of movie critics does not reflect if I am going to like a move or not.

[Fkhalf16]

The media and gamers are gonna attack you guys next, just be ready, dont worry about Bungie, worry about getting your game ready bs you may receive the same treatment as Ryse.

[leogets]

Xbox owners are just pissed their beloved bungie has made a better version of destiny for ps4 truth be known. If cod gets a 9 then destiny should be of the charts.

[Yaay4me]

and a better version of Halo really. Destiny has made a lot of people look bad, some of whom have deep pockets, thats why its getting mixed reviews. Imagine if titanfall was to be held to the same standard as Destiny, and yet it wasn't was it.

[ScaryMonkey]

Agree 100%, been saying this all along, if Destiny was xbone exclusive the scores would have been much higher across the board, this is just angry "journalist" fanboy retaliation is all it is.

[Roccetarius]

The game is a 7 at most, nothing more. It was hard to be surprised at the low scores.

[Einhert]

When you pour effort into a game it can be difficult to accept it being labelled as average and it can be difficult for any bystander who is a developer to witness this for fear of it happening to them.

Sorry but this guy is completely and utterly WRONG, a game does not deserve a baseline score ....NO game does, it is down to a reviewer to critique a title then to have the score follow his critique and like it or not most of the low reviews DO.

To hear this kind of delusion coming from a game dev is very worrying, I wonder how he will react if the order gets average reviews.

It is also amazing how he does not grasp the concept of the scale being 1-10 instead like most fanboys and malcontent's the score apparently only goes from 5 - 10.

@Neo43224 The game is NOT factually any number, the game is critiqued based on your opinion then your critique is backed up with a score you feel is accurate and backed up by your critique.

A game is NOT a 7 or an 8, it is whatever that individual thinks it is.

But if you want a baseline the closest you can get is a metric and this game is a 76/100 and the user score is 6.4 which I feel is more accurate to what I have played and seen.

[Ryan741]

Its a good game just not a great one.

[Yaay4me]

very true. I personally think the reviewers scoring it 6s are being paid.

[Paprika]

Yet to play the game tbh, I enjoy fine wines such as ffxiv. However, one mans gold is another man's trash. Numerical reviews, out of 10, are lame. On paper 5/10 is supposed to be average, so 6-7/10 should be considered better than average, borderline good. Yet it isn't. If GTA V is a 9/10 game, then in relativity to destiny, its a 6/10 game is it? even though they are completely different games you can still rate via its content. No, this review system doesn't work

Reviews via percentage are much better. I could rate GTA V as 93% and Destiny as 86% clearly on paper that's considerable difference, both rounded off as 9/10 games, still Destiny as 84% even more so, this feels realistic as IMO, destiny would not warrant 40-70% reviews. Basically 8/10 vs 9/10 little difference, 83% vs 94% large differences.

Rant over lol! Reviews are useless anyway, why is a journalist more qualified than me at playing a game... they aren't reporting on the terrors of the world bringing us fact, its an opinion.

[urwifeminder]

Does not bode well for their game , confidence must be low they love it and they are making a game wow.

[S2Killinit]

I think its very important for MS to make sure that this game doesn't get the praise it deserves. The game plays and looks like Halo. Its a Halo game that plays better, looks better, sounds as good, and has role playing elements mixed in. If Destiny was to steal the spotlight from Halo, it would definitely not be good for MS. The relevance of Destiny means the irrelevance of Halo because the game occupies the same exact niche (if you can call it that). Thats why these articles are popping up despite gamers prasing the game.
As for the gamers bashing it, its pretty telling that the majority are xbox fanboys. its understandable that they would want to bash the game when it is so similar to the Halo franchise and it plays/looks better on a competing console.
As for me, I'm loving the game on hard difficulty. Its some of the most fun I've had in ages, playing a video game. difficult but fun.

[S2Killinit]

I think the fact that xboners are already hating on The Order 1866 means they are really feeling the burn. Its a good sign.

[jjonez18]

Another victim of fabricated hype. The game would be great if people's expectations were left in check. It's human nature to feel dooped/betrayed when your promised so much but given so little.

[ScaryMonkey]

The problem is peoples expectations are often bigger then the promise.

[jjonez18]

That can be attributed to Activision/Sony for their marketing and Bungie for making an average game.

I mean, when you look at commercials and gaming media saying this game , by the creators of the Halo franchise, will be the reason you put down 399$+ on a new-gen console; you expect something legendary.

[Pikminmaniac]

Didnt know the rating system was 5-10, not 1-10. Thought a 6 was a fair rating, where it was a good game with flaws (like a somewhat dull story) and/or little replay value. People treat anything lower then an 8 as a crap game.

[Saito]

Destiny is terrible, but don't drag The Order down with it.

[MuhammadJA]

So this dev said this to get positive feedback from the fans which will influence his game's success?

[CuddlyREDRUM]

He should spend more time trying to make his movie a game, and less worrying about what Destiny's Metacritic is.

[ScaryMonkey]

If this game was xbone exclusive it wouldn't be getting the low scores plain and simple.

And you might want to not worry about other game developers because with the way things are looking a lot of game "journalist" seem to have it out for your game as well, you might want to save your defending for your own game, its very hard to please these arm chair game developers these days who rather laughably call themselves "journalists".

[tommygunzII]

It's everyone's fault these games are hollow and shallow. If you asked 100 gamers today what is most important in a game, at least 60% would say graphics. So enjoy those tech demo's you asked for.

[Sheikh Yerbouti]

As far as graphics and gameplay, Destiny is perfect. As far as story and characters...it hasn't shown me anything. Neither did MAG or other games I've played that had a premise, but nothing else.

I don't put any stock in review scores, none whatsoever. Instead I read the critique and go from that. The score says more about the reviewer at times than the game.

[generationjeu]

This just in: RAW embargoes all reviews until after the game is sold in stores because of online features.

[gamer7804]

i was very excited about both the order and destiny, but i think i might wait for more user and critic reviews of The Order before i buy it.

[HanzoHattori]

Opinions of opinions carry no weight in the real world. To think that an "OPINION" can potentially hold the power of creating a "stigma" is ridiculous. Only the arrogant and self-absorbed would think that their own BIASED OPINION has any real influence in this industry.

Entitlement and arrogance have no place in gaming. Everyone has an opinion and everyone is entitled to have one. Accept it and move on.