Crytek Faced Xbox One ESRAM Issues, Console Hardware Considerably Less Powerful Than High-End PCs

During this year’s SIGGRAPH, Crytek’s Nicolas Schulz and Theodor Maderfinally admitted how more powerful high-end PCs were compared to both current-gen consoles at launch.

[kingdip90]

Seems they are distancing themselves from Microsoft a little. That's not a positive sign for xbox one.

[SoapShoes]

It's a good thing, you don't want them to die because they're in bed with MS.

[kingdip90]

Oh I have no doubts that this is great for crytek.

[die_fiend]

What's great for Crytek is they're now obsolete. Only free-to-play games? Even when you were making 'AAA' games at £50 a pop, they were awful

[Sayai jin]

Die? Really? What do you mean and why would the die?

[WalterWJR]

They went bust sayia and got bailed out recently. Rise was probably a big factor in this, the game must have cost a bomb to make.

[Baka-akaB]

@die_fiend

Apparently you've got disagrees that need to take an hard and cold look on that recently announced mediocre looking dota concurrent for Riot games , valve and blizzard

[gamer7804]

it must be a miracle then, because of the multitudes of tech companies that are partnered with microsoft all over the world haven't immediately died due to working with them. /s

[G20WLY]

I'm sure I remember them saying they had no problems developing on Xbox One... it was right about the time they were hyping Ryse... :/

Did they lie? Were they forced to? /confused...

[Sayai jin]

@ Walter- got ya. Understand. I just saw the poster say die and in bed with MS. I see people use these phrases with companies...like in bed with; when in fact it is just business.

Its a shame too because Ryse was a good game. At least I enjoyed it, but did not have a lot of replay value.

[XB1_PS4]

@dip90 The article doesn't mention anything that would make it seems as if they're distancing themselves. Just noting that BOTH platforms released in a weak state when compared to PC.

[u got owned]

"During this year’s SIGGRAPH, Crytek’s Nicolas Schulz and Theodor Mader finally admitted how much more powerful high-end PCs were compared to both current-gen consoles at launch. Obviously this isn’t surprising at all, but it’s at least good to see developers admitting what we already knew.

As Crytek’s Rendering Engineers revealed, when both Xbox One and PS4 were already dated the moment they came out."

I guess they are talking about all current gens consoles. Also noticed the said "at the moment they came out, I guess PC will always lead the way.

[starchild]

@die-fiend

Aweful? Get real. You fanboys are truly absurd. Most of Crytek's games have scored well. Not to mention that the user reviews are generally on the positive side. But yeah let's go on pretending that their games all suck .

[BitbyDeath]

CryTek can still turn things around for themselves if they just release a TimeSplitters game, and by that I do not mean a Timesplitters skin on a Crysis game, I want a real Timesplitters, local co-op, hundreds of weapons and characters and be a real blast to play.

TimeSplitters is their saving grace.

[BISHOP-BRASIL]

Makes game for Xbox One = Xbox One is the best thing ever and everything else sucks.

Makes game for PC = PC is the best thing ever and everything else sucks.

Yeah, I believe in you Crytek... NOT!

[badz149]

but but but...according to some Pinball game dev, the ESRAM is not a bottleneck! Crytek must be lying! /s

[FlunkinMonkey]

From Azzanation referring to one of my comments in a previous article.

"What you need to understand is fanboys and mainly kids believe that ESram is a bottleneck when in fact ESram can achieve alot and is a great benefit. Crytek who made one of the best looking next gen games in Ryse which won multiple visual awards, came out and said they had no issues."

COUGH.

[SCW1982]

I saw that comment in the other article and I just had to walk away. No issues whatsoever it wasn't 900p and it didn't have horrible framerate drops whatsoever. Nope no bottlenecks with esram.

[Return_of_the_Mack]

you mean aside from the dinky amount of it.

[Baka-akaB]

wrong rply nvm

[Godmars290]

Thye can only do more damage to themselves.

[Magicite]

they are just stating facts.

[tehpees3]

Poor sales of Ryse and Crytek suddenly hate Microsoft. I wonder what they will say if Ryse 2 fails to pick up a publisher due to poor sales of the original. They won't be so mad at Microsoft then will they?

[system22]

i don't know where you got hate from. they are just saying that theres more power to do more on pc's. they mentioned the ps4 in there as well and Ryse was obviously an x1 exclusive. it is possible to not hate something and still speak about it objectively. the internet thinks theres some rule that if you say something less than glowing about something then they hate it or its the worst at everything. there are plenty of shades in between and besides - this article was all about tech and when it comes to tech, yes the ps4 and x1 are outdated by pc standards

[UltraNova]

Crytek's financial problems have started before or at the same time Ryse was being developed. Crytek is solely responsible for agreeing to make this exclusive on one console which incidentally ended up being hated more than Rabies and to top it all off it didn't even sell that good.

So its not the poor sales that are to blame but their greed for an easy paycheck.

[MeliMel]

How did you come up with that after reading the article?

Both consoles were dated soon as they came out.... i didnt come away feeling as tho they were distancing themselves from MS as you say.

Tho i could be wrong in my assessment as a 54 others have already agreed with you.

[system22]

sounds like they aren't distancing themselves from x1 so much as jus saying that consoles are weak:

As Crytek’s Rendering Engineers revealed, when both Xbox One and PS4 were already dated the moment they came out.

“Console hardware was considerably less powerful than high-end PCs at launch” reads Crytek’s SIGGRAPH 2014 presentation.

[kingdip90]

What leads me to believe that they are distancing themselves from Microsoft is the part where they talk about having trouble with the esram.

Before they were touting the console as easy to develop for and it's ease of use now they are being more honest.

It indicates somewhat of a split.

[CJDUNCAN]

The headline is entirely misleading. It's making it seem like Crytek is singling out the X1 as the only inferior console when they are saying both current gen consoles are weak. This is something a reasonable person will honestly admit. PCs will always be the leader when it comes to tech.

[Bobby Kotex]

Are there really people ignorant enough to think that an Xbox One is like a powerful PC?

[bloodybutcher]

It's not?

[Hardcore_gamerxbox]

Did u actually read it they saying both console are weaker than high end pc nothing negative about Xbox one only

[kingdip90]

Yes I did, I also read the part where they called esram a challenge to them that caused them to sacrifice graphical parts of the game.

Something they would never admit while they were super chummy with microsoft, it appears now is a different story

[Chrischi1988]

But who didnt know, that the Xbox1 aint stronger than a PC?

[Muzikguy]

The same company that was praising Ryse and all things Ryse is now going back on what they said?! Can't say I'm surprised. Companies are lying a lot lately just to see what they can get away with

[CJDUNCAN]

You'll never bad mouth your own product, it would hinder sales. When the game is all but dead then feel free to tell the truth about it. Just ask EA with their last iterations of NBA Live.

These companies are getting sloppy but most of the blame can be placed at Sony and MS' feet. They released the consoles too early. There's a severe lack of quality engaging titles.

[Evilsnuggle]

gapecanpie@

Why are pc fanboys so thirsty and so insecure. Why don't pc fanboys understand that pc and console are completely different hardware . Pc is open architecture. Gaming pc's are small niche market . Console closed system mainstream mass market. Pc gaming and consoles are not in direct competition with each other. No Nintendo , Sony and Microsoft are in direct competition . Do pc fanboys not understand that . Does Sony ever mention PC gaming no . Does Phil Spencer every mention pc gaming no . Sony are in Direct competition for customers with Microsoft and Nintendo not pc.

Only a idiot would tell you a PS4 is more powerful than a 2,000-5000 high end PC. But you can't get a pc at a $400 price point proven to match the PS4 preformance proven by GameSpot.com .
http://www.gamespot.com/art...

If you buy a new Mustang GT . It's a great car it's fast and has great preformance. But if you buy a corvette a car that cost twice as much . You are going to get a faster car and better preformance. A Mustang is in competition with Camaros and Chargers not corvette.

Sony doesn't have magic dust that make hardware cheaper . High performance GPU are not cheap . Sony is trying to make a balanced product good preformance at a mainstream price. I wish Sony and Microsoft went with more powerful GPU 2-3 teraflops . I would gladly pay 500 or 600 for every game in 1080P 60fps . But I understand why Sony went for a balance approach to hardware. Sony went for cutting edge technology with PS3 and lost it shirt .

[solar]

"As Crytek’s Rendering Engineers revealed, when both Xbox One and PS4 were already dated the moment they came out.

“Console hardware was considerably less powerful than high-end PCs at launch” reads Crytek’s SIGGRAPH 2014 presentation."

@ Evilsnuggle

your lover boy Mark Cerny said the PS4 is a "Supercharged PC". which it is not, and never will be. if you listen to what Sony or MS sell you without knowledge of what the hardware is, you are an il-informed buyer. that is what Sony and MS expect you to be. and what you are.

you and many others are sold a bill of goods. a .5 upgrade from what the PS3 and 360 are. only to line their pockets because of your stupidity of believing them. Apple and Samsung do the same with their cell phones. you believe this great innovation is coming only to be left standing with your pants around your ankles.

educate yourself. that is the only way you are not going to be laughed at for buying into a fallacy. and yes, we all laugh at you.

[JsonHenry]

Seems like they're going back to PC only games to me.

[HeWhoWalks]

For Crysis, that'd be GREAT! Problem is, with the recent mumblings of a financial crisis, pun intended, I doubt they'd go full PC only now.

[come_bom]

"Crytek Faced Xbox One ESRAM Issues, Console Hardware Considerably Less Powerful Than High-End PCs"

What's surprising about this? BOTH the PS4 and X1 are considerably less powerful than high-end PCs.

[marcofdeath]

Well this is right they said this at the time.
"Target hardware less powerful than high-end PCs at launch"
Page 13

http://www.crytek.com/downl...

KEY words "AT LAUNCH".........

XB1 getting better over time, as i have said in the past...

PS4 is = to a HD7970 that's good power.

[kingdip90]

You understand that pc will benefit from direct x12 also right? And at a greater degree than xbox one? You also understand that hardware cannot magically improve also right?

What they likely meant was that at launch xbox one and ps4 were weaker than the pc's out then at that time and the gap is only widening.

At launch xbox one was weaker than high end pc's, I don't know why you allow your wishful thinking to cloud your judgment over the statement.

[marcofdeath]

@kingdip90
"You also understand that hardware cannot magically improve also right?"
Xb1 Developers are not writing to the metal. This is big, that's a lot of power left unused. They are on PS4. Every thing that has been running on XB1 from 3RD party developers are just using 1.3TF no 2x closed box performance.
They are not using ESRAM to DDR3 back flow yet.
No one can tell me why they need a 5.1tf GPU to get FM5 running 1080p @60FPS. (i know why).
2. PC's will all ways be more powerful. It's based on you going back to by new Hardware.
3. PS4 is $400 = to a HD7970 not bad for 6 years of gaming.
4. It's not about beating a PC it's about not looking aged next to a pc.
5. XB1 and PS4 has been getting better over time.
6. People, developers don't run the show. Sony and MS run the show. Developers did not tell MS that it was ok to use 10% more GPU, MS told the developers it was ok and here is some software to do it...... In the 360 days not one developer know that there was a up scale chip in 360 until
MS said it was!!!

[ziggurcat]

@marcofdeath:

enough, already. you being wrong (and being banned for spreading misinformation) everywhere else doesn't magically make you right here.

"No one can tell me why they need a 5.1tf GPU to get FM5 running 1080p @60FPS. (i know why)."

no, you don't know why because your misterx "insider" information is incorrect. they don't need a titan black GPU to run forza 5 nor does the xbone have that kind of GPU inside.

http://www.dsogaming.com/vi...

and it was a DX12 demonstration for *PC*. if you think it was an xbone demo or in any way alludes to a titan black GPU hidden inside the xbone, you're sadly mistaken.

plus, they've already performed benchmark tests of the console GPUs.

http://wccftech.com/playsta...

[mixolydian_id]

^^^ @ Marcofdeath

I follow MisterX blog and still think for myself.

A lot of the discussions come across very hypothetical and both consoles offer sizeable specifications (Enough for video games, video games aren't the most demanding platform out there)

The XB1 will indeed keep getting better. Multiplat developers aren't giving the device enough time because they still have a lot to learn on the backend of each system. Everything in this industry is pushed by deadlines.

It's true, Sony themselves have stated within their own tech instructions that the peak memory bandwidth is 140GB/s... providing there is no such CPU access at all. Bandwidth drops in relation to CPU utilisation.

But what's to say the XB1 isn't in the same boat? With so many pipelines available on the XB1... just what happens when one particular pathway is stuck waiting for a returning message... does the whole system lock up?

I like to presume that the first games within the cycle were already in development prior to the new console dev kits being released. The backbone of every game was already prepared before they even had a console to work with... they won't spend all that time going back to the basics, liasing with the design engineers and re-streamlining their products from the ground up... because of the deadlines they have to adhere to.

The guys developing the games are learning more and more about the platforms each day they spend working with it.

I agree, the devices are more then sufficient to deliver excellent quality games. I do feel like the developers are faced with a potential renaissance in game development.

Either hop on board, learn to master coding for the new devices... delay everything... cost millions across the board.... or apply everything you know and release a poorly optimised game just in the nick of time. It's common sense that with such sparsity of games on the whole... now is the best time to be releasing a game.. the hype is there and everyone else is pushing for next year.

Example... Bungie and Destiny - Fully Multiplat... huge exposure
Advanced warfare - Pretty much standard cod... ghosts has run it's course and they will help push people to the next gen.
MCC/TLOU - Classics helping people remember the best bits of the previous generation.. lure tactics.

Great things are coming our way... just not for a couple more years mid cycle... as to be expected...

XB1 isnt as "underpowered" as people might think. The device will shine as we get further and further into the life cycle.

PS4 is very overrated but still a great platform to own

[DanielGearSolid]

Whats weird is, when they were developing Ryse they kept claiming 900p was a choice and they were having no problems with the XB1

Now this

[DollMytee]

Wow, talk about making a false connection. Crytek were never a MS company in the first place dude.

[dirigiblebill]

"Console Hardware Considerably Less Powerful Than High-End PCs"

Grass confirmed green. Sky rumoured to be blue?

[n4rc]

Haha.. Thanks for the laugh

[falviousuk]

Blue sky, what are you on about. The sky is grey, always is always has been.

for full disclosure I live in Scotland

[--bienio--]

Thats fun:)

[Cernunnos]

Actually, the sky is purple, but our eyes are more sensitive to the blue spectrum, so we see it as blue.

[dmeador]

The "color" of anything is whatever our human eyes perceive it as. So yes, the sky is blue.

[swice]

Well, it's brown where I live

[Cernunnos]

@dmeador, it actually isn't that simple. You can measure the color spectrum of light, and find out what color something is. What our eyes percieve shifts as we get further away from things. Things in the far distance tend to be more blueish than when you get up close to them.

[Corpser]

It's obvious to many but some people here do think the new consoles are like high end PCs lol

[aLiEnViSiToR]

Good one lol

[DrRobotnik]

http://www.wagehourinsights...

[solar]

both consoles, not just the Xbox One.

[mixolydian_id]

I dont think people realise that high-end computers aren't for gaming. They're workstations.

Video games aren't that demanding.

You need a farm of high-end computers to render scenes from a pixar movie (quickly)

(Ran out of bubbles edit)

All this talk of them using low powered APU in the consoles is laughable.
Don't forget that if you were to use them in a tablet or phone, the battery would run dry in minutes.

[Hellsvacancy]

"Crytek’s engineers claimed that Crysis 3 at Ultra settings is already an impressive looking game, and that adding just more (effects, higher resolution, etc.) is not an option on weaker hardware, which basically explains why Ryse was running at 1080p with 30fps on Xbox One"

I thought Ryse was 900p

[john2]

Typo, the Xbox One version is indeed running at 900p

[Fishy Fingers]

Would of rather had more than a single sentence quoted.

Edit: More, less generalised info in the source slides if anyone's interested http://advances.realtimeren...

[Volkama]

Now that's more interesting. Thanks for the link.

[Rob_Ko]

guys have no sklills, only solution for them is throw more power.

[AKS]

I think they need to hire a really good writer and director. They've got a lot of technical talent, but they could some improvement in other areas.

Similarly, Ninja Theory has some really great artists but not the best tech or game design.

[meatysausage]

Is this a surprise, both consoles wont match the power of an expensive high end PC, the xbox just a little more further away in terms of power.

[Death]

Both consoles are running tablet APU's that feature mid to low grade GPU's. Neither console matches the power of a mid-range PC.

[user7402931]

dont try to drag ps4 into this. i see desperate attempts all of the time and this sh+t isn't going to fly here.

[Death]

@Dirty,

Learn to read my friend. From the article,

"During this year’s SIGGRAPH, Crytek’s Nicolas Schulz and Theodor Mader finally admitted how much more powerful high-end PCs were compared to both current-gen consoles at launch"

I see desperate attempts all the time too. ;)

[Future_2015]

people don't understand that the CPU in both consoles are very low end with CPU speed of around 2.7ghz, GPU are around 2-3 year old Mid range AMD GPUs which are under clocked

[Volkama]

Future, the boosted clock isn't really a good point to reference. The CPUs will only reach that kind of clock speed by disabling all but 1 core, which is rarely useful (more often useful on PCs as a lot of programs are made for a single core there). Perhaps for the occassional rushed indie port.

1.6ghz and 1.75ghz are the numbers to quote. Tablet quality for sure, but you don't often see devs complaining so maybe it is sufficient.

[larrysdirtydrawss]

though if you look at ps4 exclusives,kz,infam, the order,you wouldnt believe it

[Metfanant]

Death...can you point me to a place to buy a tablet with an 8core CPU and a GPU with 18 CUs?....

I'll wait...

[MadLad]

@DirtyPimp

If you would actually read the article instead of jumping on the Sony fanboy bandwagon as always, you would realize that the article itself is speaking of both consoles, even if the click-bait title doesn't show as much.

[Ryan741]

I enjoyed Ryse, looked great and had good characters and story.

[700p]

Same here! It had a great story.

[--bienio--]

Day one for me when they relase on Pc😉

[claudionmc]

I got bored at 20-25 minutes of gameplay :( it seemed a good game but I didn't like it overall

[Jury]

I don't believe you

[Perjoss]

Really? because I watched my friend play it and it was full of QTEs and fixed turret sections. If you enjoyed it that's great, but that kind of game design is usually frowned upon and considered lazy filler material. It did have nice graphics though.

[starchild]

That's not allowed. The fanboys will tell you that all of their games are terrible (despite all the generally positive scores most of their games have received).

I enjoyed all of the crysis games and I plan to get Ryse when it comes out on PC.

[GUTZnPAPERCUTZ]

We know X1 and PS4 are Considerably less powerful than a High End PC. But We console gamers are still wowed by the graphics so far! :)

[MeliMel]

Bubble for well said..

[meatysausage]

Of course, comparing a 399$ machine to ones upwards of 800$, you would expect there to be a difference

[SliceOfTruth888]

i love how everyone forgets the same topic is brought up at every console launch...ps3 and 360 launch titles vs last years titles thats all you need to look at to see how far this "current" gen can go

[Volkama]

The ps3 and 360 were relatively a lot better than these though. And relatively a lot more expensive.

Sadly we may never see that again. Cheaper clearly sells better.

[poor_cus_of_games]

In other news. Xbox is considerably cheaper than high end pc's.

[tlougotg]

Duh we all know esram is an issue, except for the mister x blind faithfuls. Money talks and it looks like Crytek partnership with Microsoft is waning and they are finally starting to loosen up the lips that were wrapped around Micros s#$ft making them not talk about the negative aspect of working with Xbone.

[Gh05t]

Crytek has always had problems getting the most out of the least. They don't have a great history of making anything look good on mediocre hardware. Crysis was nothing special on X360 or PS3 and that was 4 years after the game released. Many other studios were able to make better looking games with the same hardware.

[ScorpiusX]

Them loose lips will cost them money & future projects .

[tlougotg]

On the Microsoft side but as weve seen with the likes of Bungie and whats about to occur with Destiny its more lucrative to play both sides of the field or side a little with Sony this time around. That 10 mil install base and growing rapidly is making alot of devs double think their strategies! Sony has the numbers, the balanced hardware and the mind share right now!

[MeliMel]

You didn't read did you? Man you can keep Crytek if you want. Ive never been a fan of theirs. Their games are like Kelly Bundy..pretty and stupid.

[Duke19]

No kidding, my 3 year old PC still outperforms my PS4 and Xbone and its not even close.

The PC was also more than both consoles combined. Apples and Oranges

[funkybudda]

Not every developers are as "skilled" as they perceived to be, quote from Metro Redux developer (eurogamer interview):

Oles Shishkovstov: Well obviously they aren't packing the bleeding edge hardware you can buy for PC (albeit for insane amounts of money) today. But they are relatively well-balanced pieces of hardware that are well above what most people have right now, performance-wise. And let's not forget that programming close to the metal will usually mean that we can get 2x performance gain over the equivalent PC spec. Practically achieving that performance takes some time, though!

Yep, good developer will learn to get most out of a specific hardware, looks like someone need to do some homework before they spread false facts.

[Gh05t]

Crytek has never been able to do that and I think its more due to ignorance... I don't know why they even try with consoles when there PC games aren't even stream lined for pc. They develop for brute force and never made there games look good on mid level machines.

[Duke19]

"equivalent pc spec" what the hell is that? Yeah if I buy a laptop card, sure the console can keep up.

Name me one multiplatinum game where a PC can't graphically outperform a Xbone or PS4?

I can't believe people actually think that their $400 box is more powerful than gaming rigs. You are dreaming. Lets see a PS4 run at 4K resolution. Its 2 entirely different levels, and priced as such

[Volkama]

@gho5t but Ryse looks really good.

[frostypants]

High end PC hardware is more powerful than $400 consoles? You don't say!

THANKS, DERP SIDE OF GAMING!

[tlougotg]

Why cant my damn high end PC with cross fire and titans play one of the best games of all time "The Last Of Us" d@#n!!!!! Guess i have to upgrade my video card again.

[Imalwaysright]

Oh don't you worry. We'll most likely be playing TloU at 4k resolutions in a few years on a PS4 emulator.

[Doomeduk]

Tell me how's your ps3 emulator working for ya?.ha tlou in 4k in 4 yrs,

[Imalwaysright]

PS3? I said PS4 emulator. PS4 uses X86 architecture. The same as PC so emulating it won't be difficult.

[MadLad]

And unlike some, we won't have to rebuy it to play at a respectable resolution and framerate.

[LoveOfTheGame]

Man, you got every single part of that sentence wrong. Minus "high end PC" and "video card", I'm pretty sure it is just nonsense jumbled together to try and make a coherent troll comment.

P.S. Also, you should probably learn the difference between can't and doesn't.

[MadLad]

It's one of the main reasons I bought a cheap PS3 at the end of it's lifecycle. Much as inferior and overpriced versions of virtually all other games released was the reason I bought a PC. And then you can throw in the exclusives for good measure.

[tee_bag242]

Because you're not doing it right :p

[SilentNegotiator]

"Bu but that pinball dev said that they had no trouble! Only armchair developers think eSRAM is a problem!"

[Baka-akaB]

Doesnt explain the mediocre or boring gameplay of their last 3 games (crysis 2-3 , and ryse)

[cyclindk]

Well consider that one high-end pc video card can cost significantly more than the entire console, i should hope so!

[AndrewLB]

It costs $120 to purchase a video card that will more than beat xbone or PS4. For $400 you can get a new GTX 780, which is 3x as powerful as PS4 and 4x as powerful as xbone.

And yes, there are cards that range well over a grand. But they're not really for gaming.

[cyclindk]

Cost of the entire console, not just a card. A card alone is useless....

[WitWolfy]

I always find it funny that they alwaya boast about their engine but no one other than themselves use it. Where the Unreal engine is all over the place.

[ScorpiusX]

Crytek playing the witch card , that ok .
They're just digging a bigger hole for themselves
, they must they have an upper hand . Sad little POS company Crytek.

[EverydayGuy]

Comparing a Game Console to a Personal Computer is stupid.

[spence52490]

Crytek needs to make some games for sony.

[ps5fanboy]

Crytek the masters of the obvious comment, and at making a open world games feel generic.
come on Crytek ,show us a PC game that looks better than order 1886....

[sorane]

Star Citizen uses cryengine and it puts that simple linear short tight corridor tps to shame graphically. It also does it without having to sacrifice gameplay, framerate, resolution and player freedom which makes it even more impressive.

[tee_bag242]

Yep.. I think Sorane just owned your thoughtless comment.
800p, single player, scripted corridore GOW ripoff with low res Steam punk textures. Wow winning not.

[ps5fanboy]

Delusion , and ignorance is just that , ignorance.

Need glasses pal?

[Tsar4ever01]

I wonder If the PS4's Hardware is capable enough to handle MSAA or SSAA in 1080P/30?

[KakashiHotake]

It would certainly fair better than Xbox one. PS4 has considerably more bandwidth and doesn't have all the bottlenecks like esram. That said PS4 would still struggle because Crysis is a strain on even some of the best PC's unless you have a GeForce GTX Titan or something along those lines but that'll cost you at least a grand for for just the GPU alone. So at $400 PS4's shortcomings can be easily forgiven.

[Spid3r6]

Is this really news?? PC is more powerful then XBOX ONE?

[ATi_Elite]

I got so sick of people/fanboys/brown nose Devs saying PS4/XB1 were like High end PC's that I would get sick everything I heard this god awful blasphemous statement.

High end PC is 700 watts or higher, Enthusiast level PC is 1000 watts.

Xb1/PS4 use laptop parts locked at 250/300 watts

300 watts does not equal 700 watts

Battlefield 4 right out the gate proved how limited in power the consoles were.

XB1 720p PS4 900p

Seriously XB1/PS4 seem to be more positioned to play X360/PS3 games better than actually playing Next Gen games built from the ground up. I am viewing this from a long term perspective or the rumors of this Gen only lasting 5 years may be true.

If more Devs made games like how The Witcher 3 is being made (Next Gen) then xb1/PS4 would never see 1080p again.

So both consoles needs to drop this MASSIVE 1080p P.R. scheme and focus on better gameplay, better visuals, better frame rate, bigger worlds but at 720p/900p.

sacrificing world size, framerate, or NPC A.I. just to achieve 1080p is STUPID.

[jts1891]

..You do realize that as devs become more familiar with consoles and optimize the development process, the more power they can pull from the hardware, right? There is a reason the Xbox 360 can run a game like Crysis 3 despite the fact that it's hardware was already outdated when it released 9 years ago.

[tee_bag242]

That reason is it was gimped to kingdom come. Last gen consoles atleast had powerful hardware at their time of release. This gen hasn't offered anything next gen. And please for the love of God done give me last gen linier corridore games as an example.

[windblowsagain]

BF4 does require alot of power for 4msaa and 60fps.

But I wouldn't agree that BF4 is the best thing to argue about it with. BF4 is very buggy.

PS4 is 900p @ 45-60fps. Variable. But most games are on PC unless you have an uber rig. Also it's mplat that makes a difference.

PS4 has features that are in highend cars, but does not have the bandwidth and processing power of them. Compute really need to be used for PS4.

As for XB1, It has little hope of competing.

Slower ram, slower GPU, Pain for alot of devs.

Most games will stay 720p or 900p and if they reach 1080p will have to use lower quality assets.

https://www.youtube.com/wat...

Looks stunning already and once they start tuning the engines over time they will get alot better.

[KakashiHotake]

Wow, it seems like a lot of developers are starting to speak out about XOne's hardware limitations and development difficulties. At one point it seemed like there was a code of silence among the dev community, now there just getting bold.

[HacSawJimThugin]

I enjoyed Ryse but Crytech needs to tread carefully. It seems to me like all of their shortcomings are someone else's fault and not their own. They could have sold Ryse to MSFT and pay their employees on time but choose not to. They threw Vigil games under the bus and now they are trying to cop a squat on MSFT. This company is truly a joke and I could care less if they fold or not. Hopefully the remaining devs look for more secure work because these guys are suspect as hell.

[Saryk]

Who cares, companies come and they go!

[jts1891]

...No duh. That's like saying a Honda doesn't pack as much power as a Corvette. You get what you pay for, and I'm personally not willing to spend +$1000 dollars on a high-end PC, and then a couple hundred every 3-4 years to be able to play the latest games on max settings. Not when I can simply spend $400 on a console that will still be able to play the latest games 7 to 8 years from now without issue.

[tee_bag242]

Perhaps you could if you didn't have to pay for online subscriptions.. oh wait.

[system22]

of course consoles are considerably less powerful than high end pc's. most things that compute are. thats why consoles are $400 and high end PC's are close to $2k or more.

Next we're going to find out that round tires roll better than square ones.

[AnotherGamer117]

Wait! Round tires roll better than square ones?!?!?!?

Blasphemy! You should really stop spreading these massives lies!

Signed,

Square Tire Manufacturers

PS. Loved the comment. Bubble for you.

[ziggurcat]

"Console Hardware Considerably Less Powerful Than High-End PCs"

http://www.citytalk.tw/bbs/...

[LightDiego]

Whatever Crytek, your games sucks, doesn't matter the hardware. I prefer to listen good developers, not a company with mediocre titles.

[Artemidorus]

Not looking good for Playstation 4 the hardware isn't that much different in PC terms.

[colony]

What?
The ps4 is thriving with amazing games on the horizon.
Wtf are you talking about?

[WikusVanDeMerwe]

K.

[jjonez18]

Of course High-End PC's are more powerful than consoles... PC's have the ability to scale with the amount of money you put into them. And it's also known that the ESRAM is a bottleneck due to the small amount available. All this article is saying is that the Xbone version was downscaled because it's basically like a mid-low range PC. Cry tech was not throwing shade, just speaking facts.

[ChuckTheIceMan]

People don't buy consoles to compete with high end PC's. This article is foolish.

[colony]

Yet, they cant make a game worth a pile of shit. And no. Crysis is not a good series. Mediocre bland fps at best. The graphics barely saved those games from beeing completely forgetable

[Str8Chaos74]

The first Crysis was great, the best game on consoles right now is a remake of a PS3 game. BTW, Crysis scored a 91 on metacritic with 56 reviews.

[ocelot07]

I got to agree with some of the comments here about PC gaming. As much as I love PC gaming. It is not cheaper than consoles at all. Am not even factoring in electricity bills here.

My PC cost me around £500 to build about a year ago. This includes a GTX 770 GPU, 700w PSU, FX 8320 CPU, 8GB 1600mhz RAM, 1TB hard drive, Windows OS, M&K, Case.

The GPU alone cost me £290. Now since I got my PS4 I have bought games like FIFA (£40), Battlefield 4 (£40) Need For Speed (£35), COD Ghost (£40). Now if I had gotten each of them games for PC at launch day they would of cost me £25-£30 each title so yer sure £10 saving on each game over the PS4 version.

Now in lets say 5 years time. Will my PS4 play the latest Battlefield game? Yes it will. It won't be at 1080p 60FPS. But will my PC current that cost me around £500 to build play the the latest Battlefeld game in 5 years time? No I honestly don't think so.

My 4 year old Dell PC I paid £400 for plays Crysis fine. But if I where to go and install Battlefield 4or Watch_Dogs on it now would it play it at decent resolution and at 30+ FPS? Hell no.

[jts1891]

Actually, chances are, 5 years from now the PS4 will be able to run the latest Battlefield game or any comparable title at 1080P and 60 FPS. Here's the thing about consoles. As devs become more familiar with the hardware and epitomize the development process, they can pull more and more performance from it. So, if games like Killzone: Shadowfall can run at 1080P and 60 FPS at launch, there is no way that 5 years down the road it won't be able to run the latest titles with the same level of performance.

Look at the Xbox 360. It's hardware was already outdated when it was released 9 years ago, but over the course of it's life cycle it was able to play games that seemed well beyond it's ability by PC standards. For example, when the Xbox 360 launched, very few of it's titles were HD. But within a few years, many games that were far bigger than any launch title were running at 720P.

[Doomeduk]

I game on pc and ps4 , I also build and maintain pc's for friends and ppl I'm recommended to , but what gets me is they'll order parts ranging from £500 -£1500 all want the best for gaming but you know what? , out of say the last 20 or so ppl I've gone back to maintain I've noticed that only about 2 that don't torrent their games and the ones that do their lists of downloads is staggering. The ones that game on consoles as well don't think twice about paying full price for a ps/xbox game but for pc they will search high and low for a pc torrent than pay full price for those games or purchase steam sales

[g-nome]

All the pc gamers I know pirate the games , pathetic really , since they can afford the crazy expensive pc.

[imchuckbass]

This shouldn't be 'news' anymore, this is obvious to anyone who has half a braincell. My high end rig destroys my PS4. Heck, even my cousins low/mid end rig beats my PS4.

I only have the PS4 for exclusives, of which there better be more soon because right now it's seriously lacking.

[GeraltofRivia]

Console hardware appears to barely be more powerful than my 7 year old average gaming laptop.

[g-nome]

Still , cant play ps4 games on your average 7yr old gaming laptop can you.

[GeraltofRivia]

nope can't play ps4 games on pc. i will probably buy the ps4 for the great exclusive games, eventually. overall i prefer playing games at a resolution of 2560 X 1600 (1600p) over 1080p or 900p, that is why i prefer pc gaming. the games are usually cheaper as well.

[JorboTron]

Wait... You mean to tell me that a $400 console is not as pwerful as a $1500 custom built gaming pc? Well no shite sherlock! Consoles have never been about raw power. It has always been about developers learning how to get more performance than expected out of the hardware. Which they can because everyone had the same hardware. I mean look at halo 4 that game is pretty good looking game for running on a tri core 3.2ghz processor and 512mb of ram. I think 8gb of ram will be plenty
Give the developers time to figure things out.

[Soldierone]

When is Crytek ever not crying about consoles? They hate them so much, yet still release games on them.... so whats the deal?

Shut up and go PC only, or deal with it. So tired of "Crytek complains about consoles" articles..... lol

[starchild]

Except they aren't crying about consoles, nor hating on consoles.

Some of you console fanboys are so lacking in basic critical thinking skills that you jump to all kinds of fanciful and illogical conclusions.

If I state that high end gaming PCs, like the one I own, are more powerful than either PS4 or XB1 I am not hating on consoles, I'm simply stating a fact. I love my PS4 and I think consoles definitely have their place. Likewise, in the context of what they were talking about Crytek's comment makes perfect sense and is not an example of hating on consoles. Only an extremely sensitive console fanboy would see it that way.

[Soldierone]

If you have a track record of complaining, then randomly state the obvious that "high end PC's" are better, you are indeed crying about consoles. I like my PC too, but I see no need to go tell everyone "yeah bro, my PC is better so it plays better games.... well not better games, just better looking games."

They are constantly going "we can't do that due to lack of hardware" all the dang time. And if YOU read the article, you would see these comments are no different. Sure they were a little more discreet about it, so I give them that. Still complaining though.

And the only ones that don't see it are sensitive PC elitists.....

[spoonard]

THIS JUST IN:

CRYTEK STATES THE OBVIOUS!

[lawgone]

John Snuffleupagus (or whatever the author's name is) needs to taking some writing classes.

"As Crytek’s Rendering Engineers revealed, when both Xbox One and PS4 were already dated the moment they came out."

It's bad enough the sentence is sitting by itself as a new paragraph, but he's also managed to insert superfluous words while simultaneously leaving out necessary ones. Bravo.

[SynestheticRoar]

What you don't say. This is mind blowing, that these clowns say this now. When I said this from the beginning. Crytek needs to start crying, and make a good game on any system.

[feraldrgn]

"Console hardware considerably less powerful than high end pcs"
We know this, PC's have gone way up in power compared to the start of the 7th gen, consoles are for normal consumers with much lower power consumption.
Understand the systems you're developing for.

[horndog]

A high end pc is more powerful than a console?! BS!! Next thing they are going to tell us is that the earth is round.

[Demoa]

same with ps4. these consoles were made to weak

[marioJP87]

Considerably? Ouch!

[g-nome]

Very happy with my ps4's graphics thanks.

[Iamnemesis4880]

Even the ps4 cant get the same power compared to the PC simple the consoles are to small to have the same spec the pc can put into the case.

[DeusEx-Machina]

Consoles punch above their weight, but you are generally right about that. I would put it differently though.

[DeusEx-Machina]

Lol, the old PC vs Consoles dispute.

Why can't people get over it, that both have pros and cons?

[S2Killinit]

well they would be wise to release on PS4 next time

[Macdaddy71]

Why does it matter!!!! I love my X1 n ps4, all games look great over ps3 n 360... PC games may look better but damn they none worth playing if you have a console.. PC dimes you to death upgrading to play the new games, to see a game in HD not worth $200 video card alone, that's half my console