Battlefield 4 has more players on PS4 than on PC

PlayStation 4 has overtaken the PC as the lead platform in Battlefield 4.

[Codewow]

Doesn't surprise me. PC gets no optimization anymore.

[pedrof93]

Pc master race my ass.

@doomeDX

"Yes. Because popularity says how good something is.

That is why Call of Duty and Wii Fitness are better games then The Last of Us and Alan Wake right?...

You disgust me."

What ?

[venom06]

this is a BULLSH%@ article... PC is STILL the lead platform for this game..everyone knows this, and YES, this game is incredibly fun and is worlds better from launch.

[BiggerBoss]

@doomed. You need to calm down man. You take PC gaming way too seriously if his comment "disgusted" you so much.

OT: this is actually somewhat surprising to me, as Battlefield has always been a PC-in-the-lead kind of game. I guess this goes to show how popular Playstation is this gen. And no, this article doesn't state that more sales=better game

[buttclown]

I haven't been into pc gaming for very long but I can tell you the people I do know don't play the same game for very long. Constantly switching to new games and steam sale games.

Also, I think the BF crowd would be 2x the size if it released with less bugs and glitches.

[Irishguy95]

Console gamers accept mediocrity more than PC gamers. That's the difference. BF4 is a letdown. Very simple. PC has many more FPS games than the Ps4. Many superior FPS than BF4. BF4 is the best shooter on Ps4 right now and it's a pretty meh shooter.

[Vegamyster]

I quit playing BF4 on the PC to play other backlog games lol.

@Codewow

It's not like the game didn't have issues on the consoles, regardless of the platform this game has had many issues.

[BitbyDeath]

@buttclown,

Tell that to all the PC people who still play the horrid GTAIV, should have been buried long ago.

[buttclown]

@BitbyDeath
You do realize though the pc people are allowed to mod their games?

[BitbyDeath]

@buttclown, never said they couldn't.
You said PC gamers never play old games, I proved you wrong. GTAIV is an old game.

[Enemy]

This is pretty shocking if true. Battlefield made its name on PC. Battlefield 2 is still one of the greatest multiplayer games ever made.

[darx]

Drop Origin and I'd bet there would be an increase.

[kreate]

@buttclown

some games are allowed to be mod and some games not. but whether a game is allowed or not, ppl just mod it anyways.

[BattleAxe]

The reason why there are more players for BF4 on consoles, is because console gamers love buying DLC and other micro-transactions, while PC players just aren't falling for it anymore. Aside from that, most PC players wont pay $60.00 for a game within the first year of release.

PC gamers, alot of times, will wait a year or so before making a purchase. Buying a game a year or two after release on PC isn't a big deal, as the communities for most games last much longer than on consoles. Games like Bad Company 2 and Modern Warfare 2 are alive and well on PC, and pretty well completely dead on consoles. And then ther are games like Counter Strike.....

[vishmarx]

@BattleAxe

not saying we should support dlc but your master race ass would rather pay $1500 for graphic cards than pay $5 for games right?
free games FTW.
you wait 2 years to buy a game till its down to a tenth of its original price,thereby in no way contributing to the gaming industry but rather pumping thousands of dollars into hardware. id like to see pc gaming strive on its own for once

[badz149]

I am mainly a PS fan for the exclusives and trophies but I also constantly game on PC for cheap games I can get my hands on from Steam.

but the delusions/arrogance of elitist pc gamers in this thread really disgust me.

"Yes. Because popularity says how good something is."

"...I can tell you the people I do know don't play the same game for very long. Constantly switching to new games and steam sale games."

"Console gamers accept mediocrity more than PC gamers."

"Many superior FPS than BF4. BF4 is the best shooter on Ps4 right now and it's a pretty meh shooter."

"because console gamers love buying DLC and other micro-transactions, while PC players just aren't falling for it anymore. Aside from that, most PC players wont pay $60.00 for a game within the first year of release."

"Show me the ps4 that can run it as well as a PC. The $400 cap holds no water for people that can afford to spend more than $400."

"bf4 is just bf 3.5 with many bugs so they moved on. People on ps4 has nothing else to play."

...and more!

WTF? it's like their buttcracks are itching to spread BS over things as puny as this! so the PS4 is leading in player counts in BF4 for some months now but so what? why is that FACT bothers some guys so much? Insecurity much? Some console gamers are bad too for taunting over this but for all those "PC MASTER RACE" talks around N4G all these times, you guys sure are a sensitive wuss to even get worked out over something this stupid!

[andibandit]

Played BF4 to death on PC already(level 56 yeah not much, but im slow), kinda still play it, but there are soooo many other games in my catalog I havent even touched yet

[Clown_Syndr0me]

In the eyes of devs/pubs, popularity = money.
So expect to see more CoD and Wii Fit and less TLOU and Alan Wake. Its business.

[XB1_PS4]

BF4 isn't that good. That's why my master race brethren aren't playing it. We have thousands of FPS games to choose from. PS4 just has a few, so it's obvious that the majority of the people playing FPS games will play the best one on that platform.

[UnwanteDreams]

What I get from this comment section is this. If a game is doing better on a console than PC then it means , console has no games, or the game sucks. Stay classy PC gamers.

[Wizard_King]

This doesn't surprise me one bit, PS4 has hardly any games so people play BF4 alot on PS4. PC has a shiz tonne of games on offer, seeing as BF4 has been such a mess a lot of PC gamers just moved on to the greener pastures of other games.

Let the Sony fans think this means something important lol. It's just a reflection of a lack of decent online shooters available on "next gen" consoles.

Xbox fanboys are always funny, but PS4 fans are scary stupid sometimes on here.

[Big_Game_Hunters]

Makes sense. BF4 had a lot of problems and PC gamers have Sooooo many options so they can just play something better instead, meanwhile PS4 owners only have COD and KZ:SF for online FPS so their best bet is stick with bf4

[SilentNegotiator]

The PC gaming community needs an attitude adjustment. Being antisocial, insecure, unfriendly elitists won't bring any new players to PC. PC gaming is the most open platform...why can't we be just as inviting as the platform itself?

[papashango]

probably because pc gamers aren't fooled by Battlefield...

[Paprika]

@ battleaxe

Uh, PC gamers don't fall for it? So console gamers are dumb? I can play battlefield on my 60" TV and regardless of how higher PC can display its resolution beyond 1080p it still looks epic... I also have the satisfaction my console does NOT look massively inferior at all.

Buy a car for 5k compare it to one which costs multiple times more to notice major differences. Modders on PC are open platform, allow consoles to do this I can promise you GTA 4 could be improved on ps3... let alone ps4 which is proven close to high end PC.

This console vs PC shit is so annoying... I know PC is more powerful. Consoles are not able to be upgraded like PC's.... the whole point of consoles are affordable high end gaming.... and uncharted 4 says my $300 console is worth my money more than your "modified cus I got more powaaaaa now" GTA 4 or.... just about any missed game.

[Chrischi1988]

More like a too small library on PS4. PC has a huge library.

[mysteryraz11]

a huge library full of crappy nes looking indies and flash games, so thats the equivalent of bragging about tons of crap vs god level games ps4 is getting

[Vegamyster]

@mysteryraz11

"bragging about tons of crap vs god level games ps4 is getting"

The PC has an entire library made up of AAA titles from the past few console gens that can be revisited, every Steam sale or Humble Bundle i find games i missed the first around that are good.

[andrewer]

@mysteryraz11 What's the problem with nes looking indies?

[tee_bag242]

Truth is there's so many other games to be playing on PC. I have BF4 and have only played it for about 4 hours since its release.

[TardcoreGamer]

Reason for this is simple. More FPS's competing for players' attention on PC.

How many FPS multiplayer games are currently available on PS4 for those $10 million gamers to choose from? 5? maybe 6 games?

Take a quick look at the player count for Couter Strike:GO on Steam today. It exceeds BF4 players on all platforms combined!!!
http://store.steampowered.c...

[Chrischi1988]

The disagrees I got, wonderfully represent the delusion and flood of PS4 fanboys on this site. It is a logic thing. If you dont have to many games to choose from, it is normal, that those available get played. If there is a bigger library, the install base will divide further onto different games. Hate it or love it, I dont care.

You get disagrees on this site, not for having a different opinion, just for a comment, that doesnt worship their beloved console. We are talking about PCs and consoles here, no need to get personally offended here...

"I like my PS4, he says something that is not saying the PS4 can do everything better, I GOT TO DISAGREE" I love that behaviour, especially because PS4 fanboys call everyone deluded, but who is really the deluded one here?

[Vegamyster]

@Chrischi1988

Basically

Opinion > Fact

here lol.

[Spotie]

Is that why the last two games sold better on PC? Because PC had a too small library, and there was more to play on consoles?

It's not a logic thing, as logic would have included the information I've stated above. It would also mean the XB1 should have higher Battlefield sales, too.

If your comment is logical and/or factual, then logic/fact is a joke.

What's really sad about this site is how people like you can get away with passing off fanboy bias as anything but.

[MelvinTheGreat]

And yet PC game still look better...

[InTheLab]

Show me a $400 rig that handles BF4 like PS4...

[Volkama]

Show me the ps4 that can run it as well as a PC. The $400 cap holds no water for people that can afford to spend more than $400.

Back on topic, I'm quite surprised to see the ps4 version oust the PC version over time. But then I hear bf3 is still very active in the PC front, as a lot of the core audience prefer it.

[Npugz7]

Actually they look exactly the same but keep telling yourself that!!!

[johndoe11211]

@Volkama

He siad: "Show me a $400 rig that handles BF4 like PS4..."

You reply: "Show me the ps4 that can run it as well as a PC. The $400 cap holds no water for people that can afford to spend more than $400."

You do realize that your response actually proves his point right?

[MaxwellBuddha]

@InTheLab

Sure, just as soon as you show me a console that can do everything my PC can.

[buttclown]

The problem with it is the people that play on pc, or the ones I know personally, are spending more than $400 to game. Anybody spending $400 or less on a pc isn't looking to play games on it in my opinion.

[ImmortalCarrot]

It really depends on ones ability to purchase the rig to produce high end graphics. For starters, consoles aim for stability and ease of playing, while the pc counterpart focuses on raw power (provided with the ability to purchase the parts).

it also depends on the developers time and effort on optimizing on each platform.

[Daniel_Potter]

@Npugz7
Battlefield 4 runs at 1600x900
Meanwhile, R9 270 which costs just 200$ runs it at 1080p60fps. There been tons of videos using that video card as an example of a 400$ gaming pc.

[Consoldtobots]

anyone that thinks they are building a $400 pc using a $200 GPU has never built a pc before.

[dredgewalker]

@Potter
Ok then try playing this game on a $200 video card.......just the the video card alone without the other components. $400 dollars alone ain't enough for a decent gaming rig.

[Volkama]

@JohnDoe affirmative, I validate his point and reduce it to insignificance within the space of that comment. I would not attempt to build a PC for $400, I would buy a console. But that is an artificial victory, as I am not restricted to $400.

It is tiresome when people insist that we only discuss that budget purely because they want to claim fanboy points.

The game looks best on a good PC. The PS4 is a good option for $400. I don't see why anyone would try to dispute either claim.

[Daniel_Potter]

@dredgewalker
The upcoming steam machine by Cyberpower at the price of 500$ offers
R9 270, AMD A6-6400K 3.90 GHz, 8 GB RAM and 500 GB HDD. As well as an OS, a controller and all that in a small compact case.
No monthly subscription required. And every weekend steam puts up 2-3 games on sale and lets people play them for free for the next 72 hours. Recent one was Dishonored and if you played that one you probably know that it ain't that long, about ~15 hrs. Still think PS+/XBL Gold isn't a rip off?

[Evilsnuggle]

Volkama@

Are you serious why are some pc enthusiast so delusional . Some of these pc enthusiast are just plain old insecure or jealous of the popularity of game console.

Volkama and other pc fanboys you can't build a PC at the same level a PS4 for $400 . This has been proven by GameSpot.com. GameSpot built a budget pc to match a PS4. With everything you need to game on a pc OS, mouse and keyboard excetera at $560 .Volkama@ and the pc enthusiast and fanboys just can't seem to comprehend that most people in the mainstream are not willing to pay $2,000-5000 for a high end PC to play games. That is why game consoles will always be more popular than pc gaming. Because of it's of the price point and price for preformance of game console vs pc. I am slightly interested in gaming on pc but at a low price point. I'm fine with the quality of PS4 I would like better preformance than The PS4 but not at a much higher cost. I have a wife children and I'm a homeowner . I have other priorities other than gaming . Console gaming is fine at the are price. I would never pay over a thousand for a pc it not worth it to me .Michael Pachter said that 85% of AAA games sales come from consoles . Yes pc gaming worldwide is larger than consoles. But worldwide most pc gamers just play MMO's. Game consoles are king of AAA games and are the major source of income for the gaming industry.

http://www.gamespot.com/art...

Secondly pc enthusiast and fanboys are constantly spewing off how superior pc is to consoles. Pc fanboys miss the point that console is far superior to pc when playing online multi player competitive games. Pc is plagued by hackers and cheaters . You get what you pay for with PSN and xbox live. Sony and Microsoft police there online multi player competitive games. Pc is free to play online games and you get horrible service full of hackers and cheaters.

http://www.independent.co.u...

http://www.gamasutra.com/vi...

[Volkama]

Evilsnuggle, I'll quote myself. It will save you actually reading the whole comment you are replying to.

"I would not attempt to build a PC for $400, I would buy a console."

The PS4 is good value for $400. I can comprehend and appreciate that the price point appeals to a wider audience. I can also appreciate there are other advantages consoles have over PCs. Personally I play both.

But that doesn't contradict the initial statement you are replying to, which was that the PC version is the best looking. You're arguing against it without actually providing any argument.

[dredgewalker]

@Potter
Ok now that's a more reasonable hardware. But I still prefer gaming on different platforms. There are games that I can't play on pc and consoles. As for PSN plus, I don't feel too ripped off cause I get some free games as long as I have the subscription though steam makes the best deals.

[Daniel_Potter]

@Evilsnuggle
Call of Duty 4 on PS3
http://www.youtube.com/watc...
Hacker free you say?
What about this game?
http://www.youtube.com/watc...
Or GTA V?
http://kotaku.com/gta-onlin...

Consoles doesn't stop people from hacking, i actually doubt they even punish people from hacking

[MysticStrummer]

"The $400 cap holds no water for people that can afford to spend more than $400."

I always imagined the master race as being more intelligent. What a meaningless response.

OT - Bad Company 2 is still where it's at.

[Magicite]

so new platform with 10m install base now leads over everything else? Impressive.

[kingduqc]

With no other games to play*

bf3 bfbc2 and bf2 had more players on pc because they where good games. bf4 is just bf 3.5 with many bugs so they moved on. People on ps4 has nothing else to play.

[Clown_Syndr0me]

I love BF4 but to be fair there isn't much else on offer in terms of FPS.
CoD, which many of us are bored to death of and Killzone which I personally dislike.
For many, BF4 is their first BF experience so for these people its fresh.

[TheGreatAndPowerful]

Yeah that's not true...they get optimization tweaks and patches even before consoles do.

[Patrick_pk44]

It still receives optimization and improvements, it isn't the best but they are still working on improving the game.

Of course there are more people playing it on consoles. As a PC user, the backlogs of games is extraordinarily huge, and I stopped playing it after all these summer sales and better video games. The only first person shooter I play is Counter Strike Global Offensive, the rest tend to be garbage, and nothing is as competitive.

[mmcglasson]

Well I have an extremely large backlog of PS3 games so what's your point? Some of them I could play on PS4 through PSNow if I thought that service was worth it, but it's not. At least with their current pricing model. If it was subscription based then sure. For the mean time, I have my PS4 hooked up right next to my two PS3's (with my original 60GB sitting on my shelf in its' box). I actually just beat The Last of Us on PS4 and I've had it on PS3 since the day it came out. I need to beat GoWIII but before that I still need to beat GoWII... So basically I still have PS2 games I have a backlog of. When EverQuest Next comes out... I doubt I will get a lot of those games played.

[UnwanteDreams]

Yep I see this argument all the time but I too have a backlog of PS3 titles. This PS4 has no games will continue for another year or two. Then they will move on to another excuse to explain why PC is the best and PS4 sucks. Wait it out like they wait it out. Az

[TonyPT]

I agree with what many people said here about how pc has many more fps games and lots of bugs. Those issues let down many gamers to the point of giving up. Apart from that, many sill refuse to use Origin.

On the other hand, that graph refers just to live players and I'm sure pc has a lot more buys than ps4.

Forgot to mention that myself, never really consider buying the game due to that awesome browser plugin that is required to play the game. I'm a programmer myself and there a few other much better options then this one.

[Razputin]

This game was extremely optimized.

I ran this game full settings 150% scaling 200% dropped my frames under 60.

With that being said, this game is just a huge POS.

I love all the Battlefield games, but this is Call of Duty with vehicles.

Why is it since Bad Company 2 the destruction - realtime, has become non existent?

I know quite a few people that stopped playing BF4, and are going to skip Hardline as well.

Look at the popularity of all the other PC games.

[UnwanteDreams]

Like MOBAs? Minecraft? Facebook games?

[starchild]

This is a very popular thing for console fanboys to say lately, but it's simply not true. I've gamed on the PC since the 80s and by and large the optimization of PC games is better today than at any other time in the past. Things like Mantle and DirectX12 will enhance that trend.

Battlefield 4 runs great on any decent PC. On my GTX 770 BF4's visuals significantly outpace the PS4 version.

Another very popular idea among console fanboys right now is this implication that if a certain game has more people playing it or buying it on console it suddenly means the PC version isn't superior. The failure in reasoning here should be obvious.

It doesn't matter how many people buy a Ford Focus, it will never outperform a Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution, for example.

I don't care how many other people own Lancer Evos or how the numbers compare to ownership of any other model of car, it doesn't change in the slightest how much I enjoy my Evo.

Likewise, am I supposed to enjoy Battlefield 4 less or pretend the graphics aren't better on PC the second it's reported that more people are currently playing it on a console?

[truegamerkt]

What does all that have to do with more bf4 players on ps4?

[MWMonroe2395]

Are you special?

[Michiel1989]

You live in your own world or something? Why are u talking about stuff not even connected to the article.

I know that you are afraid your posessions arent considered the best but let it go.

Your reasoning is completely flawed urself. You are saying the pc version of any game is always the best. If i buy Rogue Legacy for ps4 then i get ghe exact same version. Do stop scting like the pc is das dritte reich. Pc gaming is cool just like all other forms of gaming. No point in spreading bullshit for the sake of argueing.

Also some games have extra content vompated to the pc. I would rather call those the supreme versions, no matter the amount of pixels on pc. More content --> more pixels. If u think otherwise go watch pixar movies all day

[JsonHenry]

Probably because most PC players won't play a crap game with bad netcode. When your options are very limited as to what you will be playing on a new system this sort of thing happens.

[MRMagoo123]

If only that where true, because there are loads of ppl playing day z and thats wayyyyyyyy worse than bf4.

[Are_The_MaDNess]

20 ticks per sec is NOT enough.

120 ticks should be standard by now as the web have expanded so much...... heck old CS and Quake had higher tickrate than what BF3-4 has.

tickrate, stable servers and a stable framerate in-game. is that so damn hard?

[UnwanteDreams]

Total -BS and you know it. Json.

[JsonHenry]

It isn't BS. I quit playing BF4 because of the problems. Instead I play better games like Red Orchestra 2 or the like.

And if PS4 players had more choices at the moment I doubt they'd be playing BF4 in the same numbers that they are.

When hardline launches and the PS4 crowd has a whole lot of options you watch, Hardline will be played as much.

[Qrphe]

PC only got optimization back in the 90s when games were developed exclusively for it.

[starchild]

That's so untrue. Optimization was definitely worse back then in general. Hell it was during this era that the whole myth was born about having to upgrade your PC every few months. An exaggeration to be sure, but it was based on a core kernel of truth.

Back then your PC might play one game perfectly fine, while another game that didn't really look any better would run very poorly and you'd have to upgrade to be able to play it with decent performance. Or you'd have the wrong brand of graphics card to get good performance in a particular game and you'd have to choose which games you wanted to run well. This was pretty common back then.

Sure, we see the occasional example of that on PC nowadays, but the vast majority of games run like butter on any decently up-to-date gaming PC, whether running AMD or Nvidia graphics hardware.

Even the games that aren't well optimized and/or are very demanding can still be enjoyed these days thanks to the ability to properly sync the framerate at 30fps using programs like RadeonPro and Nvidia Inspector. We didn't have that ability back then. Using an external framerate limiter does not accomplish the same thing.

Getting a solid, vsynced 30fps on PC isn't an ideal goal for most PC gamers, but if we're comparing to the alternative of getting an inferior looking console version that also only runs at 30fps (but with more framerate drops) we can see that even the few poorly optimized games still offer a superior experience on PC. Or you can choose to run them with a higher, unlocked framerate if the framerate swings don't bother you.

[bumnut]

What are you smoking? PC has plenty of exclusives.

[aquamala]

and PS4 version is so optimized at 900p

[bmf7364]

@Venom PC is the lead platform for Battlefield development, yes. But as far as marketing goes and popularity goes, it's best to be seen frontrunning as a PS4 game at this stage. Sledgehammer said that the PS4 is the lead platform for Advanced Warfare and that'll probably continue with Treyarch and Infinity Ward, but CoD will continue to be advertised for Xbox.

Sony's opinion on EA Access won't change any kind of agreements EA and Sony made now or will make in the future because it's best for business. If Battlefield will continue to be advertised for PS4, then it will be so.

[tee_bag242]

When it comes to multiplatforms it seems consoles get no optimisation either. Its not as if this game ran well on consoles. Just the PC community dropped it like a hot potato.

[ITPython]

I am not at all surprised by this, when it comes to multiplat games consoles usually always dominate PC sales, typically by a significantly massive margin (I'm talking a sales difference of 200k on PC to several million on a SINGLE console.)

Bottom line is consoles are where the money is at, PC gamers are few and far between in the grand scope of things, and add insult to injury when the PC version of the game releases $20-$30 cheaper than the console game... yet still gets outsold by millions of copies.

I'm actually surprised developers even consider the PC as a primary gaming platform anymore. Not only are PC games unoptimized and inefficient as heck (requires a beast of a PC to brute-force decent graphics and performance), but the sales are pitiful when comparing to console sales of the very same game.

[papashango]

I remember this argument.

Back in 2007

[Corpser]

You would only think that if you use sources like npd or vgchartz that don't even count digital sales, you see vgchartz says Diablo 3 pc sold 3 million, blizzard already said it sold more than 12 million

[BigOleTroll]

It really comes down to those people living in poverty, and those who can afford nice things.

I see people gloating "show me a $400 PC that can run BF4 as well as PS4" and this makes me sad for the poor people. If you could actually afford a $1500+ PC there's no logic in not doing so as the PC is better than console in every single aspect of gaming. Better titles, graphics, communities, gameplay and the list goes on.

All these statistics show is that more poor people are switching from xbox to ps4 as this is all they can afford and is the better console of the two.

Think I speak for everybody when I say PS4 and PC aren't in the same league, and comparing the two is like comparing a Galaxy S5 to a Nokia 3210.

[Future_2015]

Many PC gamers have a lot of games to choose from when its comes to PC games and Battlefield 4 is only on Origin which a lot of people don't use because they don't want it or they don't know about it, if it came to Steam a hell of a lot more people would buy it

[Parasyte]

I don't know if this is an indication of how popular the PS4 is this gen, and it is, but rather how incompetent DICE has become when it comes to updating the PC version properly.

[aquamala]

damn, PC has 130k players at launch? but you can see from the graph the PC player count have been going from 130k to now 40-60k, which is actually the peak player count for PS4

[Reefskye]

A lot of people who played BF4 don't play it on PC no more it was a buggy mess for ages and most people got sick of it and left for other games. All my friends who bought it don't play it at all, in fact most PC gamers think BF2 was the best in the series. We are not limited by games we can and cant play unlike consoles, we switch game a lot more often. I own a PS4/PS3/vita and haven't been on any of them for 5 month. I game on many different games everyday on my PC.

Plus if I can buy the same game at half the cost on PC than Playstation I may as well buy it on PC. I bought Playstation for their exclusives nothing more.

*Edit* Tell a lie last game I played on PS4 was P.T

[FlameBaitGod]

"your master race ass would rather pay $1500 for graphic cards than pay $5 for games right? "

Um what ? I though i was the troll. The sad part is it has agrees on it, that just shows how lil people know about PC.

[PCpower]

Tell how does this comment of yours has ANYTHING to do with Battlefield 4? Are you an idiot?

[dazzrazz]

It's still a POS game unless the nxt month patch changes something

[Majin-vegeta]

It will.

[SoapShoes]

Yeah and Hardline still has the exact same glitches. I really loved Battlefield but I think I will skip Hardline, it feels exactly the same similar to how MW3 was so similar to MW2.

[ImmortalCarrot]

I don't see anything interesting with Hardline. For a game for cops and robbers, it's just too massive and unrealistic. But I'm really looking forward with what Ubisoft is offering with Rainbow Six. That game looks hot.

[hennessey86]

runs fine for me and i have far from the best PC in the world

[bumnut]

You can't have been playing since release day then, it was barely playable.

[kassler]

The game is running fine, at least on my PS4.

[truegamerkt]

The game has been running great for me along time now.

[Godmars290]

Haven't consoles always been more populated by COD type gamers over PC?

[Neixus]

Nah, it seems like it because the cod sales are what gets the most attention.

Minecraft for example, have sold like 54million copies on consoles alone. which surpasses all the cod titles. Not added together,ofcourse.

[ThatOneGuyThere]

if you remove "type gamers" from your sentence, it might be somewhat accurate.

[Godmars290]

Everything at this point is FPS, whether many know or even accept such. COD and Battlefield being the most generally popular, while Halo and Killzone coming in second if not third on their respective consoles. PC have far more, Planetside for instance, but their numbers don't equal what COD and Battlefield.

[TheBurger29]

Whats wrong with COD type gamers? Its true they pretty much only buy CoD and play the shiz out of it and thats about it.

[ThatOneGuyThere]

No. There are FPS games, yes. FPS games are still just a category. Games are pretty evenly split, except RPGs for the moment. If all you see is FPS, I would suggest its the people you hang out with, or the ads you see.

[Kavorklestein]

Yes, they have, I owned copies of Call Of Duty Black ops 2, Battlefield 3, and Battlefield Bad Company 2 at launch on PC and Xbox 360, and the lobbies were ALWAYS more full on the 360 versions of the game.

Even NOW, the lobbies would be more full on 360 than the PC for the majority of games.

What that article FAILED to show is any data about the xbox 360 version.

The dark blue line isn't even ON the graph because it typically has WAY more users than ANY of the other platforms/consoles. Right now, the PS4 is beating the PS4, but the graph is showing incomplete data, so don't go thinking the PS4 version has always been the most popular version.
The 360 version has slumped lately, and that's happening for a number of reasons.

Right now, the PS4 does have more users than the PC version, but so do ALL FOUR of the other consoles.

You go here: http://bf4stats.com/ and see for yourself.

This isn't some large feat, like "the PS4 being glorious" and amazing- it's due to the fact that PC gamers may have Shinier graphics, and have and less players to play with, IN GENERAL, at all times.

[PaleMoonDeath]

Wow, that's a little random, good news though right?

[Qrphe]

Not random but expected

[roland82]

Right now pc has the least amount of people playing battlefield than any other platform

[bumnut]

You can thank EA greed & Origin for that.

[Funantic1]

People still play BF4? Wow

[bumnut]

Ive started playing BF BC2 again, much more fun than BF4.

[roland82]

www.bf4stats.com

[Ninver]

PS4 looks to be the future for many gamers. I'm glad there will be lots to people to play with (no homo)

[Mr Tretton]

PS4 has a pretty limited library atm/Most PC users hate Origin/PC users are picky and unforgiving, as it should be. Once it got out that BF4 was crap on PC, people stopped buying it. AS IT SHOULD BE.

[Snookies12]

Yeah, only reason I still don't own Battlefield 4 is because it's through Origin. If it were on Steam, I might have bought it day one. (Kinda glad I didn't though, based on all the issues it was having post-launch.)

[ThatOneGuyThere]

well, a lot of people like myself are finally getting tired of upgrading their PCs every damn year. It gets old. That and lots of great indie games AND AAA games are coming out for PS4. And you know what? PS4 games dont look half bad. Most of them are pretty much indistinguishable unless you're gaming on a 4k PC that costs the same as a used car. Also, wayyyyyyy less cheaters and cheat paranoia. I get kicked from COD matches on PC because they think I cheat. Not the case when I play BF4 on the PS4, even when i get first place 5 games in a row. Other than steam sales(which i usually end up buying a bunch of sh!t games i instantly regret), the reasons for being a PC-centered gamer are dwindling.

[MaxwellBuddha]

Try harder. You're failing.

[TheBurger29]

I got sick of paying for gold, xbox live being crap 360/one, metro style on both (got me some windows 7), consoles running games like crap (ps3 and skyrim), little children, and a lack of decent games besides a few exclusives. PC has way more games, run them better (except ubi games cause they are lazy), and way more features.

[starchild]

"most of them are pretty much indistinguishable"

Haha, yeah, sure. Maybe if you are extremely imperceptive and half blind.

Even at this early stage in the generation every one of the multiplats I have played on my PC and PS4 has looked noticeably better on my PC.

And you're not fooling anybody with that nonsense about having to upgrade your PC every year. That is completely and ridiculously untrue. I usually play on the same graphics card for several years, and even when I do upgrade it is simply a choice to give me performance that consoles could only dream of. If all I wanted was console-like performance I could stay with the same graphics card essentially all generation long.

[Mr Tretton]

"well, a lot of people like myself are finally getting tired of upgrading their PCs every damn year."

No one does that, nor do you have to. Only people that do are just that wealthy. But it's generally unnecessary. My PC is a 2010/2011 build and still runs everything great.

[BitbyDeath]

PC is great for gaming on the side. It'll always be at least secondary if not first for me.

[ThatOneGuyThere]

I see a lot of butthurt in here. I wasnt aiming to offend your precious computers. Oh well. I've been a PC gamer primarily since I built my own gaming PC in 1999. PS4 has changed that. I played BF4 on the PC, and I play it on PS4. I happen to enjoy the experience way more on the PS4. I bought BF3 for 360, PS3, and PC. Diablo 3 is incredible on the PS4. I dont know, I guess I've just never been a snob about things. I dont have some sort of emotional relationship with some goddam hardware, sue me. I think the last game i TRULY enjoyed on the PC was COD:Blops 2. I logged over 800 hours on that. Can't play anymore though. Everyone thinks I cheat. That and finding a populated Hardcore Kill Confirmed server with a acceptable ping is almost impossible.

Anyways, my point still stands. PS4's visuals are entirely too close to vanilla PC visuals to make a difference. Calling me blind for knowing that BF4 on PC looks CLOSE ENOUGH to the PS4 version for it to not really matter is kind of a immature to say the least.

[Mr Tretton]

ThatOneGuyThere, your dismissing the fact that you brought up the biggest of all lies about PC gaming. That you 'have to upgrade every year.' You're either full of it, or doing something horribly wrong. Or are one of those OCD weirdos that thinks like this:

Damn, this game gives 55 fps on Ultra. Time to upgrade!

[user5669510]

I'm still playing bf2 and bad company 2 and a ton of other shooters let alone other genres. I never was really interested in bf3 or bf4

[mysteryraz11]

makes sense you can now play 64 player battles on consoles, so what does the pc have now slightly better graphics?

[swishersweets20031]

better frames per second and extremely better graphics. Well if you got my PC. The cake is a lie because ps4 does not have a steady 60fps.. i played hanian last night on ps4, the game halted to a stand still when the building dropped.

[ThatOneGuyThere]

well, as made apparent in this thread, the PC has a lot of elitist douches that actually suck at video games.

[starchild]

Coming from the biggest resident anti-PC troll on N4G we can dismiss your comment as more delusional trolling.

You call the Wii U a "childs toy" in some of your comments and you act like there is a big difference in graphics between the PS4 and XB1, but suddenly the PC only has "slightly better graphics" than the PS4? Haha, your hypocrisy knows no bounds.

There is a MUCH bigger difference between the PC versions of multiplats I play on my PC and my PS4 than there is between the PS4 and XB1 versions.

[tee_bag242]

Gotta block Mysteryrat11 . He'll stalk your PM box whining about how powerful his new toy is. Biggest drooling mouthbreather you'll ever meet.

[tee_bag242]

Frame rate, Ultra graphics, High resolution, fast load times. That's why.
People are aren't satiaflied with 30fps 900p and atrocious load times will play this game on a PC. Simple

[busytoad]

30fps 900p you are talking about x-bone son.

[nitrogav]

BF3 always did on PS3 too , not surprised . But why does PC always have more servers ?.

[Jubez187]

Thank you. Everyone is like "oh well BF4 sucks and PS4 has no games." But when I started to play BF3 when the big bundle came out, PS3 was ahead of PC in population.

[remixx116]

I would've left facts like this off the internet, this stuffs gonna spark a fire.

[Npugz7]

I love this game on my PS4 best fps out there!!!

[brich233]

IMO - I played the game on, Xbox One, Xbox 360, and PC. The PC version is the worst and most frustrating when playing 16v16 domination or Team deathmatch on those small maps. 10v10 on the Consoles is alot more fun. Another thing, its so irritation joining from a web Browser on pc just like u had to do in bf3 pc, im not sure why they couldnt have it like the console experience. Me and a few other friends played it 1 time for about 2 games, never went back during the free 7day weekend.

[Reek]

The PS4 isn't even one years old! That's pretty impressive.

[ButWhy]

Makes sense, PC gamers usually prefer pirating games.

[SaturdayNightBeaver]

That is not true , ignorant peasant. There are pirates on consoles too. And there are people on PC that buy games as well. Its not some random dude online fault because company can't protect their games from hacking, or pricing 50 Pounds for digital only tittles. In some parts of the world 50 pounds is a third of man average salary, how can they afford games and food at same time?

[ocelot07]

To be fair am not at all surprised. It is not secret I prefer console gaming to PC gaming but its clear why PS4 owners like my self play BF4 more than PC owners.

One of the simple reasons is. There is only 3 FPS games on the PS4 at the moment. COD Ghost, Killzone Sahdow Fall, Blacklight Retribution and of course Battlefield 4. Where on PC there more FPS than I can count.

[Eiffel]

So less players on PC are playing a notoriously broken game? Not sure how this is a bad thing, it actually reflects well on PC gamers. COD's been the same broken heap since forever and it's not even in the top forty on Steam's online chart as a result. Says a lot by comparison.

[Mithan]

This is sad.

[LAWSON72]

Well PC has many other online shooters,while next gen lacks them

[Pandamobile]

This. There's a million other decent shooters to play on PC, while you've got like 4 or 5 to choose from on PS4.

[ATi_Elite]

Battlefield since leaving the PC has become such a CRAP Game!

I only play it occasionally on the weekend when back in the day BF1942 BF2 BC2 BF3 were every day games. I mean EVERY single friggin day.

BF4 left a bad taste in my mouth. for starters development on 5 platforms was a big mistake, the PC version got NO love which is the second mistake and the poor quality of development even has me questioning DICE who over the years have had a stellar record.

I think EA has a bunch of flunkies doing BF under DICE umbrella and hopefully the Original DICE team is working on SW:BF3

So YES PS4 gamers have fun with BF4. I truly understand why my fellow PC brethren have abandoned a long time symbol of PC gaming.

Battlefield will live on on memory but the consolization of BF has DESTROYED yet again another STELLAR PC GAME.

Same Exact thing with COD. What PC gamer wants to play that Arcade Crap when it use to be the benchmark for tactical team online MP at one point. COD1 Cod2

When does it end? I guess when ALL Games are CRAP and no one plays them anymore and all you stupid Publishers are Bankrupt

then we can go back to Devs focusing soley on the PC and rebuilding a strong brand, strong community, and great games. While OTHER Devs focus on consoles style games instead of trying mix and mash them together.

*I now play Arma 3 EVERYDAY so in reality I'm not missing anything.

[windblowsagain]

Sorry dude.

COD has never been Tactical. EVER.

I used to play them on PC/ beta's as well. Just spawn spam. Camp all day long. Poor mans BF, always has been always will be.

As for BF4. Yep it released with many bugs and although you blame consoles, you should be blaming E.A. Also another thing that does not help any MP gamae is FKING DLC PAID FOR MAPS over and over again.

BF should have NEVER gone the singleplayer route, was always a MP game. I would have preffred 10 other MP maps then SP all together. ALL war SP are boring. Cannon fodder.

Trouble with gaming these days is the bitching to DEVS to many people do. They change settings, weapons etc. That should be left to how the dev intended.

As for PC, I still play BF4 on PC.

Still quite abit of cheating. But that's PC. heck imo scripting is cheating. Because it's something hardly anyone does except people who need the advantage. I'm looking at you Quake3. Scripts and bots killed that awesome game.

That said I don't give a toss what system a game is on as long as i'm enjoying it.

My wish would be for COD/ASSASSINS CREED,GTA to DIE.

[Michiel1989]

Cod never been tactical? You obviously joined late in the cod cycle. Cod 1 + uo and cod 2 were very tactical. Hence there were so many good competitions and clans. Just brcause it doesnt have your precious 128 man or planes doesnt mean its not tactical. Heck, even ut2000 is also tactical if u play on a serious level.

Your delusion that bf is the only tac shooter is wrong. Every shooter which can be played team vs team is tactical. That the majority of the playerbase just rush (which kinda was the case with cod)is something completely different.

[The_KELRaTH]

And lets not forget RTCW, Wolfenstein Enemy Territory.

That was the beauty of UT series - you could crank it up for fast n furious or switch it to tactical, I loved those UT sniper only games!

[Jubez187]

"COD has never been Tactical. EVER. "

Go play Search and Destroy against pros. You'll get smoked like a sausage.

[Sokol]

It's a good online shooter, I do miss Bad Company 2.

[annus]

According to their graph there were far more PC players at launch than any other console, and is it really a surprise those numbers dropped? I screwed around with unplayable shit for the first few weeks and then gave up. I have the option to play better games that actually work, so why would I stick around?

[Arty84]

bunch of people here hit the nail on the head game variety and sales are the biggest reason for this not to mention disappointment many felt over the game

[darx]

The nail on the head is Origin I passed on BF4 due to Origin.

[FsterThnFTL]

Looks pretty even to me. The difference might be only a couple a thousand people from the graph.

[SoCalledMe]

So new concole with not that many multiplayer online shooters , and Bf4 is only Battlefield on PS4 , and PC with all earlier bf titles , and shit ton of other shooters , why should we only play Bf 4 on PC ...

[lovethenoob]

Why are people arguing over this?!? BF4, until recently , had been a horrible broken mess of a game and if it wasn't for the combined effort of the BF community being completely unhappy with the state of the game we would still have a buggy game AND another unfinished BF at this moment. So please, let's enjoy the game...we made it better..collectively

[HappyWithOneBubble]

Looking at the excuses from the PC gamers make me laugh. Say whatever make y'all feel better.

[Triggytrolls]

There are hardly any games to play on PS4 (I have one), I'm not really surprised it has more players playing. Bf4 on PC killed itself, it was a horrible broken mess and people got tired of playing a shitty broken game, that or they simply got bored like myself.

[kevnb]

What other online shooter would ps4 owners play? Call do duty?

[oIITSBIIo]

PC have more MP games than any console out there so the PC gamers have more MP games to play .

[d3nworth1]

Wow the gaming community is real shameful sight nowadays. Really even an article like this is enough to spur an argument. Who really cares what platform has the most BF4 players? You got the PC fanboys coming to the defense with the excuses and console bashing. Ps4 fanboys in turn coming to the defense. Can anybody just read an article and move on?

[ironmonkey]

yea but 99% of those pc mp games are shit.

[kryteris]

That is because it works on the PS4, I tried that free week of play time on origin, and could not get that stupid game to run. Maybe 30 attempts, and 3 successes. Buggy as hell.

[masterfox]

lol

[holin4]

ps4 lacks of shooters... with good multiplayers... wait till next year that finally looks like they are going to get some exclusives, at last.

[busytoad]

Why spend over 1000 dollars on a gaming pc(which you have to upgrade in a year or two) when you can buy a 400 dollar ps4 and use the rest of the money for family,down payment on new car,new cloths,new phone,new appliances,tv,BILLS,and other stuff like that.

Havent bought a pc game in a long long time and only game i play on pc is world of warcraft.

[bigjohn221]

80% of pc owners now adays are kids who have rich parents and buy them anything,the other 20% are nerds with acne and weigh around 110 pounds with no gf's to spend money on so they use their cash for a high end pc to make them selves look cool which doesnt work for them.

"Zomg my pc is liquid cooled and i have 2 of the best video cards in it!!"....yeah your a fing douch nerd.

[Skylar]

*looking at my PC that I bought like 4 years ago. It cost only like 400 euros(PS4 costs 450 euros here). I can play BF3 on high settings with solid fps. BF4 is so badly optimized that its performance doesn't matter. It's your fault that you buy very expensive parts and so often when you really don't need to.

[busytoad]

bf3 lmfao game is old son,your 4 year old pc wouldnt even run bf4 at medium setting cause its out of date..... thats what im saying every other year you have to pay to upgrade your shyt. Waste of money to me.

[SaturdayNightBeaver]

I dont understand what is so strange here? People are freaking out because more players use gaming system to play their games instead of fiddling with PCs and bugs and whatever, BF4 on PC is disgusting and bad , its amazing that it's still holding close to consoles.

[MrCrimson]

There is kinda shit for games on next gen platforms, yet there are actually alot more games for PC gamers to play, especially with all this early access stuff and indie stuff thats more and more prolific now adays. My gaming community hosted a server for BF4, we stopped playing around February.

[lunatic0001]

To be honest...its the only mp game I have on my ps4 that I enjoy at the moment...it still has its problems though...I would like to play tf on my xb1 but I think not many people play it anymore because it takes soo damn long to find a match...but once halo collection comes out...so long bf4...when it comes to mp

[Condemnedman]

I've played it recently no problem getting matches on the xb1

[lunatic0001]

seriously...it takes me a while especially hardpoint...usually it would be me and two more players waiting a long time in a lobby for more players to join

[CKPan]

PC gaming is dying, and I am talking to Devs.

[Condemnedman]

Why do Sony fanboys always think they are the best at everything? Cesspool of the gaming community they need to go the way of the dodo.

[GundalfDeGrej]

I'm not playing bf4 on my PC because I'm too busy playing tf2. A 7 year old game which is still receiving free content regularly.

But yeah, there are way better games to play (at least on pc) than bf4. Hell, is it even fixed yet?

[quenomamen]

I know I enjoy it but Bad Co 2 is still my fav BF game.

[GruntSoldier]

Not surprised. I played BF2 religiously, but when their next game didn't even have joystick support I knew that PC had become the bastard platform... I'm done with the franchise at this point. Now it's ARMA 3 and DayZ for my shooter fix.

[swize]

Battlefield series will always be my bread n butter . Other titles are just temporary distractions . I can play this game forever and not get bored ... maybe not forever but u get ma drift .

[Hanuman]

This game has given me the most value this generation. I've been playing it for months now and haven't bought any DLC yet. It kind of fills the gap between other releases.

[fullmetal297]

Battlefield 4 has been nothing but a giant unplayable mess since launch. The newer Hardline game is coming out soon and the game has yet to fix crucial bugs that still plagues the game, so I see why PC gamers count has decline.

[LoveSpuds]

As someone who has played Battlefield on PC since 1942 I am really surprised at this story.

PC gamers can cook up all the excuses they like, but there really are not all that many top tier multiplayer shooters out there to choose from that are taking gamers away from BF4, its not like it was in years gone by where there were a dozen genuine options. Even if there were, the size of the PC userbase is big enough to support many games.

Whether you like it or not the BF series was and is seen as a hardcore PC game and it was just as much of a mess on PS4 as it was on PC at the start so that argument is a dud too in my opinion.

I have over 400 hours on BF3 on PC and around 60 on BF4 but the fact is BF4 on PS4 is a very good game, clearly it is not as gorgeous as it is on PC, but it is close enough that people are happy to take a hit on performance in exchange for the convenience of playing on PS4.

I can literally switch on and party up and be in a squad within a two minutes while sitting in my lazyboy playing on a huge TV with a great controller. I chose to sacrifice performance and the graphical edge for these reasons....the PC elitists out there wont hear it, but this generation of consoles is close enough to tempt people like myself who want convenience, to play on PS4.

I also have a much a wider circle of friends and workmates who game on console than on PC too, and I suspect this is the case for most people, I know anecdotally that this is the case for everyone I work and socialize with.

Whichever way you stack it, this is a huge surprise.

[Aloren]

Not surprising... According to that graph, there are about 40k BF4 players left on PC, and about 55k on PS4.
A quick look at Steam activity tells you the peak activity of CS GO today was 211k, 70k for TF2, 40k for Garry's mod, 40k for borderlands 2, 30k for CS, 20k for CS source, 20k for Arma 3, 15k for Payday 2, 10k for l4d2... add 16k BF3 players, some more for titanfall, and you get half a million FPS players on pc.

The majority just doesn't care that much for BF4.

[Asuka]

ORIGIN is awful =\

[G_V_Black]

I would say that for a game like this, the version with the most active community is the best one to play. The big surprise for me is that PS4 AND PS3 both have higher player counts than PC. Numbers look pretty good for an almost one-year-old game on all three of these platforms.

The Xbox One/PS4 disparity is close to being in line with their relative install bases, but the almost 3:1 gap between 360 and PS3 player counts is really surprising. Goes to show how ineffective early/exclusive content deals really are in the end.

Of course the PC version looks the best assuming mid-level or better gear. That said, the PS4 version looks fantastic for what it is.

[Father__Merrin]

according to steam survey less than 1% have top end graphics cards, so battlefield 4 ps4 and xbox1 have a better game than I'd say 80% of pc gamers

Ha!

[Hamza-ali368]

amazing website

[Psychotica]

I am not surprised, I am primarily a PC gamer and bought BF4 but I suck at using the KB+M controls with shooter games and the gamepad is just to slow to react properly. So I bought it for my PS4 which made life much easier for me.

[Plagasx]

Not surprising. BF4 feels like a console game now anyway.

[christrules0041]

The thing is that PCs have so many AAA games that PC gamers are used to changing games more frequently. Like Titanfall came out and that took some of the gamers. Then when you got a good rig why stop playing the games you love? Battlefield 4 is far from being a really high quality product when it launched making lots of people wait for 3 months or so and then say screw it we have other quality games we can play.

The PS4 also is selling well and people finally can play battlefield 32 vs 32 instead of 12 vs 12 on the last gen consoles so there is more reason for them to buy Battlefield 4 moving onto next gen which would increase the amount of players on PS4.

It all makes sense.

[KontryBoy706]

PC players have more to choose from at this point. Unfortunately the releases on next gen have been extremely slow. I mean how many "multiplayer" games are there to play right now? BF, COD, Killzone, TLOU (from last gen), what else..... ?

[KillerPwned]

Well I can see why since its cheaper to play on PS4 and get basically the same experience.

[The_KELRaTH]

That's like saying it's cheaper to play on a PS3 than PS4 for basically the same experience.

[bandit905]

probably cause its been available on pc for about 1 year now, and since ps4 is only 6months old and bf4 is probably the best multiplayer game on the console right now, maybe thats why

[lex-1020]

So from looking at that graph can someone tell me where the "Xbox" or the "Total" is? No? They're not on the Graph? Then why are they on the legend? It irritates me when a graph has a legend with things not on the graph.

On topic. Who cares. Just play your game.

[crimsonguard]

http://bf4stats.com/

[lex-1020]

Thanks? Not sure why you felt the need to link this website but ok?

[crimsonguard]

why the link? 1. to show how many currently online on each platform 2.detailed stats.

[lex-1020]

That wasn't the point of my comment. I don't really care how many people are playing on each console, I just play and have fun. My point in asking that was to point out that they list Xbox and Total in the legend of the graph but then not actually in the graph. You should never list something in the Legend if its not in the graph.

[crimsonguard]

hmm, good point.

[HmongAmerican]

I find it boring playing this game. I play mostly conquest mode and what I found was that many player just sit on rooftop sniping while some player just sit in the back of the map spamming artillery to everyone on the field. This is why I left the game and never look back once I unlocked all of the class perks.

[Vladplaya]

So I guess you do the same as everyone else? Because its actually great fun to go around knifing those "pro snipers", or C4ing artillery camper.

Its all about your personal objectives and goals in the game. If you chose to play the most boring way and then bitch and complain about it, every game will end up been boring for you.

[crimsonguard]

I play on both, they are both fun,i like the text chat on pc, it would be cool if they had it on next gen consoles though, as far as why there are more ps4 then pc,i think its simple, Price, and nothing else.it don't matter your arguments either way, because people have voted with there money, oh and having an active community helps, other then that who cares, if you like the game you don't care on what Platform you play it on.

[Vladplaya]

Considering the game was a disaster when it came out, this should be no surprise. PC community is simply fed up with EA pushing release of games in beta state.