While Sony Computer Entertainment is enjoying massive success with the sales of the PS4, having recently surpassed ten million units sold through to customers, there’s an arm of the company that is working on a future vision where consoles might not be necessary anymore.
New hardware and stable supply leave company poised to meet lofty sales goal.
Nah very happy with original or would be happy also with Spiderman 2 special edition.
Will get the pro when it releases in 2 years as long as I can sell mine for at least 60- 75% of the cost. So ps5 pro needs to release at £500 hopefully Sony knows this and doesn't price it's self out, psychologically £499 is a ceiling for a lot of people I reckon.
Online required to 'install' the disc drive... no thanks. Will stick to my day 1 model
But of course you'll have no issue with downloading the essential patches so that your disc-based games actually run on your day 1 model.
@JEECE Most of my physical games actually can be played and completed with their v1.0 versions. It may not be the most polished experience, but yeah it's possible with all my games. I'm very selective with my game choice this generation
Yet you're online bitching about online... amazing.
I would just like to point out that you had to go online to SETUP YOUR PS5.
@JackBNimble, I can use internet on my phone or other electronics... I can choose to either keep my systems connected online or play offline. I have a preference and that's okay. You don't have to agree with me. I have no issue keeping my PS5 online for patches and system updates, but for gaming, I tend to keep it offline single-player only... about 95% of the time
PS5 will dominate the holidays even though it pretty much dominates everyday of the week as it is.
Attack as in kerbstomp. I mean the direct competition is already passed out at this point..
PlayStation dominated cloud gaming users throughout 2021, beating Microsoft's xCloud streaming by over 10%, but Xbox swings back at PlayStation in 2022.
“Good competition” is not something Microsoft offers often. You should want THEM to feel enough heat to actually do better.
Agree. I wish sony would be more afraid of gamepass to get better games on ps+
"You should want THEM to feel enough heat to actually do better."
Phil Spencer started to acquire studios back in 2018, after that, Xbox Studios only had 5 studios. Now Xbox has 23 almost 5x more studios. Not to mention third party exclusives like Flight Simulator, Contraband and Project Dragon.
Plus, unlike Sony, Xbox Studios won´t be distracted with things like VR, all of their first party efforts goes towards Xbox first and foremost.
Sony so can expect a much more robust Gamepass in terms of first party and third party exclusives games from Xbox from now on.
Since Sony have less studios and won´t release their games day one on PS+, they better make sure andl deliver high quality games like Ragnarok. Because so far, 2023 hadn´t started well for them with Forspoken.
https://www.videogameschron...
Sony spent millions to secure a AAA third party exclusive game build from the ground up for PS5, not to mention more millions spent on market to be outperformed by a AA game which costs less than half on Steam, had an EPIC day one surprise announcement AND release with ZERO money invested on promotion and marketing.
If that´s not good competition, I don´t know what it is.
"It isn’t."
Oh yes, it is. You can bet your life that both companies cares about their money and investments.
The simple fact that Sony continues to pay multiple publishers to keep games out of Xbox forever, is nothing but a reaction to Gamepass.
Imo, Sony now fears that once their timed-exclusive contracts ends, those games will be available on Gamepass the moment the said games hits the Xbox platforms.
Sony fears the scenario where gamers realize that it´s not worth to invest in every single game released on Playstation at full $70 once they´ll be getting it for "free" on Gamepass eventually, just like Yakuza, Dragon Quest, Octopath Traveler, Nino Kuni, Persona series and more.
ARK 2 (exclusive on Xbox consoles), S.T.A.L.K.E.R. 2( exclusive on Xbox consoles), Flintlock, Wo Long, Atomic Hears, Lies of P, Eiyuden Chronicle, Hollow Knight: Silksong. Minecraft: Legends, MLB 23...
Those are just some of the games that Xbox players will be getting for "free" day one while Playstation gamers will have to pay for all of it.
So at least you´re rich or something, Xbox players will be getting way more NEW games to play than you. That´s just facts.
@Obscure_Observer
I can bet that one company brings actual competition, isn’t afraid to share losing numbers, and doesn’t buy huge publishers due to said weaknesses. That’s what I can bet.
As a fan of theirs, you should want them to do better and offer more than subscriptions services and unfulfilled promises.
@obscure. Well Sony can't control 3rd party games quality, but their 1st party certainly trounces MS's. Spiderman 2 is going to a absolutely dominate the holiday season, just like ragnarok did this past holiday season. Sony easily has the best gaming studios out of the big three. It's.not Sony who has to worry about their 1st part output, it is MS.
@Obscure: what AAA games would I buy an XsX today to play?
I own a ps5 and XsX, and I don’t know of one game that would have motivated me to buy an XsX ( I bought it to appease my dumb Xbot friends).
I bought a ps5 for Demon Souls (best looking game on consoles), Returnal (top 10 game of all time for me), and Dualsense upgrades for shooters (completely changes R6 for me).
So, can you illustrate how XsX is competing? I liked HiFi Rush a lot, High on Life too, but neither make we happy about the $500 I sunk into the hardware to play them.
Obscurer, you're saying an awful lot without talking much sense at all.
VR isn't a distraction, neither does it take games away from playstation. Sony have been building and harnessing studios just for this while working on their 1st party none VR titles.
Microsoft is fully committed to gamepass and that's fine for them and those that like to game that way. It will be an even better product if Microsoft can nail their 1st party games.
What I'd hate to see are more moves like the Activision and Bethesda purchases and attempts because it destroys the gaming ecosystem. I'd say the same for Sony as well because once the ball is rolling, they'll all start buying and diving gaming.
"I can bet that one company brings actual competition, isn’t afraid to share losing numbers, and doesn’t buy huge publishers due to said weaknesses. That’s what I can bet."
Unfortunately for you, MS or Nintendo aren´t forced to play by yours or Sony´s rules. Fyi, Sony used to buy publishers back in the day. The only reason they aren´t doing it now is simply because they can´t.
As it is, Sony already owns 14.09% of Kadokawa´s shares while Tencent acquired 16% of the company's shares, which means 1/3 of the entire company ownership.
The only reason why Tencent owns more than Sony is because Sony couldn´t pay more for it. So spare me from this "victim complex" bs defense for Sony.
Phil acted as the "nice guy" for too long. To the point where stupid fanboys were all happy when Xbox acquired new studios and publishers, because the idiots were under the illusion that all future Xbox games would become multiplatform and be released on Playstation.
Yeah, they were stupid to the point of thinking that MS would turn into a third party developer for Playstation.
Reality hits hard and here we are. Now that they KNOW those games aren´t coming to Playstation, all that they can do now is cry and moan over games paid and developed by Microsoft to not be on their platform of choice.
They think they´re entitled to have anything and everything otherwise it´s not good competition.
Phil Spencer won´t stop. Be the Activision/Blizzard deal approved or not, he can just go after a single studio like CDPR for example and you´ll be here crying all the same.
I don´t care if Sony or Nintendo buys SquareEnix, From Software or even SEGA tomorrow. Because I have no problem buying products from those companies if they have the games I want. I care about games first and foremost. So don´t expect me to be on your sad place complaining about big a$$ companies running their business as they see fit.
"You should want THEM to feel enough heat to actually do better."
But when they do attempt to do better ppl complain about it.
With the whole Bethesda thing. There was article on here not too long ago talking about how Bethesda investment will pay off for MS. The whole comment section everyone was whining about how MS was taking games away. So when MS competes everyone here complains on here. No matter what MS hurts feelings. It's quite funny actually.
@Lightning77
In other words, outside of publisher acquisitions, they have not really attempted to compete.
And "whining" happens on both sides, so I hope you are just as entertained when people bitch and moan about moves Sony makes.
Ps+ extra already has better games than gamepass. Just look at the highest scoring games...ps extra has more of them.
Lol. What a joke.
PS+ relies on old games. Gamepass not only has day one first party games but also day one third party as well. Even from Sony. XD
Exactly. “Day one” is a buzz word that makes these guys think they have a better line up but it has not amounted to much. If you look at what they have at any given time on their service its not that rosy. Not to mention “day one” also exists on PS plus just not for the first party AAA story games (which is fine w me as long as they continue making the hits).
Check out their list of day one releases for all the years they had gamepass. Its a joke.
@obscure
I'd take good old games then new Bad games. Besides that wasn't his point and that has nothing to do with what I claimed. The op said that they should offer better games but they already offer better games. He did not say new games. Or even New Quality games. But to your point, I know that game pass lovers do enjoy their day one bad or mediocre games. It's all about value with you guys and not quality
Some are going ape shit over Hi-Fi Rush but completely forgot about the Tokyo Wire dud the same developer last released. My point being there are hits and misses.
" It's all about value with you guys and not quality"
Lol. Your false narrative didn´t aged well.
All Metacritic scores for day one first party games
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Ori and the Will of the Wisps 92 on Metacritic
Flight Simulator 90 on Metacritic
Forza Horizon 5 92 on Metacritic
Halo Infinite 87 on Metacritic
Grounded 85 on Metacritic
Pentiment 87 on Metacritic
Age of Empires II: Definitive Edition 87 on Metacritic
Hi-Fi Rush 88 on Metacritic
And that´s only from first party games/IPs on Xbox series consoles.
So much for your "quality vs quantity" BS narrative.
Oh, and we "Gamepass Lovers" also love old quality games as well. I also can give you a large list of high quality third party on Gamepass. Just ask. ;)
@Obscure_Observer… Forspoken was not a 1st party game from Sony nor should it be treated as such. Square Enix will comeback nicely with FFXVI I’m sure.
Besides Sony is entitled to some misses here and there because they actually take chances on new titles and release them regularly.
Bu the time Spiderman 2 releases everyone will have forgotten all about this terrible start you’re claiming.
They're so anxious to try to nail Sony on something that they'll even bring up third party developers not under Sony. Oh look this time's exclusive that wasn't developed by a Sony studio was bad so Sony doesn't know how to do good games.
"@Obscure_Observer… Forspoken was not a 1st party game from Sony nor should it be treated as such. Square Enix will comeback nicely with FFXVI I’m sure."
In no moment I said it´s a first party game. Both Forspoken and FFXVI are exclusive Playstation 5 games which Sony invested large sums of money to secure to their platform. Just like the original Spiderman from Insomniac. (which till this day Sony fans treat it like a first party/IP)
So it´s pretty obvious if the game fails, Sony also fails and loses tons of money which could had been invested on first party games.
"Besides Sony is entitled to some misses here and there because they actually take chances on new titles and release them regularly."
True.
"Bu the time Spiderman 2 releases everyone will have forgotten all about this terrible start you’re claiming."
Also true. The same can be said about FFXVI, imo.
"The leader, Nintendo, doesn’t care what the competition does."
Couldn´t agree more
The Switch is leading the PS5 because it launched three years prior. PS4 won last gen is all forms (money made, units sold, software totals).
No hate for Nintendo though, as they are another company who actually puts out quality games in high numbers, but just a little perspective.
“In 2022, Microsoft took the lead with 60-70% of total MAUs”
From 20-30% up to 60-70%? That’s some crazy growth. Probably thanks to Fortnite.
All the other stats dont matter. Especially the ones where ps is tearing xbox a new one
“In 2022, Microsoft took the lead with 60-70% of total MAUs”
Probably one of reasons why Sony won´t return Activision´s calls.
Oops, somebody didn't read the article.
This isn't a "YoY increase". It's market share, so we know they had 60-70% of the streaming market.
That’s why we game: to celebrate YoY growth!
Three cheers for first-party content-starving fueling third party max’s and subscriptions.
What a clickbait headline. Why mention 2021, when the tides turned in 2022 for the obvious reason of one company making the Cloud service one of their biggest marketing pushes throughout the entire year while the other company was able to promote the games they had coming out?
And it's imprudent to suggest crazy growth when we only know proportions - did Xbox grow its proportion by attracting from the competitors' bases, did their marketing pay off and attract new users, or did cloud gamers on competitors just not play as much? The MAU figures don't point to shifts as significant as the Cloud proportions do, and Microsoft's lack of raw subscriber numbers that they happily boasted about in 2021 is telling too.
Famitsu: "Two years have passed since the PlayStation 5 (PS5) was released on November 12, 2020. The PS5 was in a supply shortage due to the release in a situation that had never been experienced before, such as a shortage of semiconductors for the worldwide corona disaster, but the improvement of semiconductor supply and various risks The production situation is improving due to the effects of hedging."
Couple of clear points in the article for the gaming community and the naysayers:
*Sony has worked in improving PS5 stock so that gamers can get one. And we have seen the result in increased sales. That's very good. They should continue their efforts. And more games are coming as we see like Spider-Man 2. But they haven't announced them all. They are not going to show all their cards at once.
*PS VR 2 was considered and in development DAY ONE. That's why it looks so complimentary to PS5 in its design and its features. Not an afterthought. PS5 has great features. Dual Sense has great features and PS VR 2 has great features built in. That's not by accident. The only console that's delivering "high fidelity VR." And not promise like others but not deliver.
*PS VR 2 will have great support. RE8 is DAY ONE. And Sony helped Capcom in some fashion. Maybe funding the port. And if you already own RE8, you already own a VR game in your game collection. The DLC is free for owners to update the game. Other games are being ported and are free upgrades. So, if you have a PSVR collection already, some of these games are free to update with improved visuals and controller immersion. It would be nice to have BC. But improved games from developers is better than just having BC. And, we see PS VR 2 will have new IPs at launch and after. And, better ports from Quest 2 and PC as Sony's headset has exclusive features not on any other headset.
*Rounding it out, Sony is making sure PS VR 2 has good supply. Which goes against the naysayers who want to say that Sony didn't sell out of pre-orders or made too many. Meeting demand is their goal going forward.
2023 is potentially looking great for Sony. Hope it pans out.
If you can actually go into a store and pick one up / order one online without needing some invitation or other nonsense then I may start saving to grab one day 1.
They're still sending out preorder invitations a month later. I know, bc I keep receiving them.
PS5 here in Japan is still at cheapest 20K JPY above MSRP if you just want to go and pick one up today. Digital Edition at around $500, MSRP is $350. Cheapest disc drive version is at $550 against MSRP of $400. The lottery system has frustrated a lot of people here. The situation has improved just a tiny bit, but it will take another 6-12 months to be able to pick up a PS5 from the store at normal launch prices.
It should at least improve in the near future.
"At the beginning of November, when we announced the Sony Group's financial results, we reported that we finished manufacturing more than 6.5 million units in the three months of July, August, and September. Even now, when I joined the company, we continue to manufacture without lowering the pace.
Due to shipping by sea, there is a time lag before the products we produce reach our retailers, but at least we were able to secure a considerable amount in terms of manufacturing, so the number of products lined up in stores will increase in the future I think I can confidently say yes."
No offense, but being able to just buy a PS5 whenever you want makes it pointless.
There's a reason why Rolex and Nintendo are leaders in their fields of expertise, ensuring that value is always kept at a premium by keeping demand higher than supply.
Pathetic really - if Sony were smart, they'd be buying PS5s from users and selling them as certified pre-owned consoles. That way, they'd ensure the console remains a _premium_ device and protecting users from the grey market.
So the future is with PC games?
I hope that never happens , it just doesnt feel the same without owning a physical copy of the game or a physical console . I remember the first disc i had , it was grand turismo and it looked awesome , along with syphon filter and mgs1 and parasite eve 2 , i used to look alot at the back of the case and admire the beauty of it before i play it . Life is just going too fast :( .
But you would still need a device and controller to play the game, huh? I want to be able to play home console games, not mobile games.
Sony's never been good at predicting the "next big thing" with the gaming industry.
I just hope they realize cloud-based gaming is an inherently flawed concept before they dedicate too much of the PS4's functionality/library to the idea.