Destiny Dev: Gameplay is What Matters, Not 1080p

Production director Jonty Barnes says platform holders like Microsoft and Sony are "magnifying" the importance of graphical benchmarks.

[Future_2015]

i except at least 1080p in 2014 the hell is wrong with these consoles, struggling to get to full HD and 4K is on its arrival on PC

[ShugaCane]

Why giving so much importance on resolutions ? Gameplay is the core of every game. It should always be the main focus (over resolution I mean. Story, writing, etc. are extremely important too). Plus, consoles are much cheaper than high end PCs which are, by the way, upgraded a lot more frequently. I don't see how the comparison is relevant.

[Hellsvacancy]

So if gameplay is all that matters why are games even trying to reach 720p? may as well go with 420p or even 240p, hell why don't I just get my oldskool sdtv out, i'll game on that instead

Come on man we don't live in 2006 anymore, it's time we had GOOD graphics as well as good gameplay

[Axios2]

That's CRAZY talk!

Everyone at N4G knows ppl play resolution and not games, at least this gen, last gen, not so much.

[ShugaCane]

@Hellsvacancy

You're talking as if we didn't have good graphics right now. We do.

[mikeslemonade]

I can tell Destiny meant this because their games looks subpar compared to most current gen games.

[darx]

@Hells

Then It looks like you need to purchase a PC

[solar]

if gameplay is all that is important, then why do PS4 extremists constantly beat up the X1 if a multiplat has lower rez? you mates need to make up your damn minds!

[Hellsvacancy]

^^^^

It's a case of "what goes around comes around"

Axios............. http://n4g.com/news/525541/...

Like I said "what goes around comes around"

[sonarus]

Gameplay is king no doubt. However the primary point of upgrading from ps3 to ps4 is not for better gameplay but better graphics. If you don't care about graphics stick to your last gen console and stfu

As far as this gen is concerned games are still playing the same they just look better. Telling yourself you don't care about graphics and owning a next gen console is like the most hypocritical statement ever. Unless off course you own an xbox1 and you bought it primarily for Kinnect shenanigans and tv integration lol

[Boody-Bandit]

@solar

"then why do PS4 extremists constantly beat up the X1 if a multiplat has lower rez?"

You mean like how 360 fans did the exact same thing to the PS3 when comparing multiplat titles last generation? At least this generation the differences are more substantial than blades of grass or having to freeze frame and magnify that frame to show the differences. Yet there were 10x more comparison articles last gen comparing such miniscule differences that it took magnification just to show those ever so slight discrepancies to claim victory.

On topic:
Sorry Bungie but this is a cross platform title that's average looking at best when it comes to current gen graphics. Of course you're going to say this especially considering there is a 1/2 billion dollars invested into this new series of yours.

Graphics have always mattered. At least until this generation started. Why is that? /s

I can remember as far back as Colecovision gamers talking about graphics. The divide went into full gear during the 16 bit era with the SNES and Sega Genesis. Which mostly involved teens and young adults arguing over which console had the better graphics and sound. We are talking 16 bit sprite based games. It's only amplified today because of the internet and social media. BUT it almost always existed and has been debated across nearly all generations.

These articles need to go away unless the PS4, X1 and Wii U are going to be the last consoles ever made. I mean why upgrade? Why ever purchase new graphics cards for PC gamers? It's about the gameplay after all. Let's do away with those pesky 4k displays and tell tech companies stop the train, we have finally reached the peak, let's get off here.

These articles are beyond redundant and wreak of hypocrisy and desperation. Graphics don't matter yet go to N4G mains page and you will see an article titled "Impressive visuals in ‘The Witcher 3′ shows the graphical evolution of the Witcher series." Which is fitting when you consider The Witcher is not only visually stunning but it's a great RPG as well. See you can have it all in one package and I can break out a list that would go on and on proving it. So again, why is this being debated this generation?

I really wish certain segments of the industry and media would make up it's damn mind. SMDH

Just more "it doesn't matter until it does"

edit: BTW. Lens of Truth! Where did you guys go? It seems you packed up and walked away as soon as this generation started. Question answered as to what they were about to begin with.

[Patrick_pk44]

Why do you allow developers to give less than the standard? This is a "next-gen" console, so 1080p 60fps should be hit for every console game. Do you actually like have an inferior product, because I sure don't.

[randomass171]

Smooth gameplay and from a technical standpoint framerate are more important to the experience than the resolution IMO.

[sonarus]

Yea you can argue which is more important. I won't say 1080p over garbage frame rate is better. But you know what last of us remastered looked great in 1080p and even better in 1080p 60fps. I want to get most bang for my buck push the damn console to do all it can. Don't try to sell me graphics don't matter cus that's hot steaming smelly crap

[C-H-E-F]

If Gameplay matters then Destiny will be a borefest... the only thing good about this game is the fact that it looks gorgeous.

[sonarus]

It actually doesn't even look that good. I like it almost exclusively for the strong coop integration

[Shadonic]

already has a better story and gameplay than Shadowfall which is one of the games that went and put graphics first and foremost.

[Spinal]

Dafuq u talkin bout? Destiny gameplay is the most fun I've had on the ps4 so far this new gen.

And yes it does look gorgeous but clearly they focused on the right thing. Gameplay and it paid off cause nearly everyone that played beta loved it.

[user5669510]

forget this res talk im just happy theyre working on a new ip and not another halo game. same with Insomniac. i hope they games do well and become successful good luck. and to all devs on every platform making new ip.

getting tired of these now risk rehashes. gaming is becoming boring with them. im glad we have indie games because i would have quit gaming a year or two ago.

[MEsoJD]

They say gameplay over graphics yet the game isn't even running at 60 fps...

[Lennoxb63]

Gameplay AND graphics. Resolution isn't that important. Some people are confused about resolution and graphics. There are people who are uneducated on the subject. Thinking that a HIGHER resolution results in BETTER graphics. Not the case. And I hear this repeated all the time over the internet about resolution being connected to graphics. It no more than the clarity of your screen.

[Shadonic]

I'm expecting 1080p 60fps to hit a bit later on, I'm going mostly off of what a youtuber says about Destiny certainly being able to reach it but most likely holding back due to last gen still being prevalent.

Of course Gameplay always comes first but to see the goal of 1080p 60 fps cut back upon so heavily early on is kinda disheartening considering it was a big talking point besides the overall improvements in what could be done in terms of basic effects and stuff.

Either way its still all on the Gameplay for me I wouldn't care if destiny was 4k 120 fps or anything If it hadn't grabbed me with the story and the gameplay and mechanics linking it all together I wouldn't of been pre-ordering it.

[cellfluid]

Especially when a game known as marvel Alliance was the 1st 1080p 60fps game on ps3.(10 years ago) How is it t@ ps3 can do it but these so called next Gen systems are struggling. Something isn't right!!!

[Sharingan_no_Kakashi]

It's not the consoles it's the devs. Most devs would gladly sacrifice a little resolution if it means adding more detail or accents to the environment.

[Back-to-Back]

If 1080p doesnt matter we all should have kept our ps3/360s.

[JCOLE13195]

Gameplay over resolution any day. If the game has drops at 1080p then lower the resolution. I'd hate for a game to be 1080p and take a hit to the frame rate just to make a bold statement saying "Oh look my game is 1080p."

[TheKingWilliamV]

I used to believe that 1080p wasn't a factor, that was until I played Destiny on both the Xbox One and the PS4. I can say without a shadow of a doubt that thier is a clear difference. The Xbox One version did not look as vibrate, refined, detailed or as beautiful as the PS4 version. The Xbox One version of Destiny must obtain 1080p

[kevnb]

I hate these arguments, gameplay is important so graphics don't matter?

[mhunterjr]

I don't think anyone is saying graphics don't matter. They are saying that too much emphasis is being placed on graphical benchmarks instead of the overall quality if the experience.

There is much more to graphics than resolution and frame rate.

[Gr1mmyshadows]

resolution isnt a deal breaker for me, Destiny is a solid and addictive game and i know ill be all over this game for a LONG time

[mrmonk]

I agree the game looks nice to me so all i need in it now is a good story and my friends then im sorted i found myself getting addicted to the beta so I will not be off the full game lol

[mhunterjr]

There certainly is too much emphasis being placed on graphical benchmarks, but honestly, what company would give up an opportunity to run away with the marketing opportunity.

[B1uBurneR]

This is a pretext for XBOX one Destiny version is going to be lower than 1080p

[FlunkinMonkey]

That's what I thought.

[Software_Lover]

We are in the HD age. No game should be lower than 720p. After that, to me, everything else should fall in place.

Now next gen (ps5/Xbox whatever) I expect 1080p/60fps standard.

[Roccetarius]

People shouldn't have to wait until Xbone2 / PS5 for 1080p/60fps in 2014, just because they took the cheap route with hardware.

This is not only hurting progress we make, but also the developers being limited by what's on offer. If they had more to work with, you wouldn't be seeing all these 1080p articles.

4K is still a ways off before being very viable for consumers, so we won't be moving on to that yet.

[Roccetarius]

It's no surprise coming from a Destiny developer, since they're stuck with stagnant hardware progress. Both Graphics and Gameplay is equally important, but only the PC is capable of doing both, and it's not limited by 5 - 8 years of slow progress.

Well, it kinda is, because if this keeps up we'll lose another number of technologicical progress years.

[BEASELY]

Funyy that they say this when they didn't even target 60 frames for the Crucible, which is easily achievable for that portion of the game and would make it waaaaay better.

[cruzngta]

This may be a prelude to 900p/60fps on XB1 - which I thought the demo they had on a video a bit ago had the dev and the interviewer both saying how 'Here it is in 1080p???' Wonder what that was all about???? Now all of a sudden its not??? No wonder Phil Spencer is getting after these devs to get their heads out of their asses and earn their money for these games by actually working to get the most out of the machine. Pitiful if it ships at 900p after all of that.

[jsjodoin88]

But still in 1080 ? No?

[Bluebird8]

Most of you lack the ability to see things from a rational and logical perspective. What should be and what is fair does not equal what is happening in the real world. The world has never been and is not fair, it simply is. We should have 4k@60fps as the standard, we have 720p as the standard(the lowest res new games comes in). It is the same as, every child should go to bed with food in their stumack, but it simply isn't the case.

TL:DR

The consoles are already out, deal with it and get some perspective.

[Sadist3]

Don't tell the PS4 and N4G fans that...gameplay matters more than 1080p? They're going to have a heart attack.

[uth11]

I don't think the average gamer can even tell the difference between say, 900p and 1080p, if they didn't know any different when playing the game.

I did an experiment on my PS4- I set it into 720p mode and launched Watch Dogs. It looked the same! I checked info on the TV to make sure it was really getting a 720 feed, and it was. I looked around a little more. Ok, the letters on the signs looked a little fuzzier. But the differences weren't that big, not as big as everyone makes them out to be. I tried other games too. I do sit several feet away from the living room TV, and I'm sure if I sat closer, I'd notice more.

I do like them to try for 1080p because it looks the sharpest on HD TVs, but if they are already delivering a great game with lots going on, I'm not going to get upset if they can only hit say 900p

[iistuii]

I agree totally. If these people were at a game show & were playing lets just say Destiny & they asked if it was running at 1080p & the display guy said yeah even though it was 900p, they wouldn't have a bloody clue if it was or not.

[TheTwelve]

How about 1080p and gameplay.

[DCfan]

time for these kiddos to switch sides and change their talk.

[MAULxx]

I really don't understand why this game isn't running 60fps on PS4. Bump the resolution down & hit those 60 frames.

[D-riders]

With the new rv's that are on the market that's a load of crap. So next Gen we should expect to only play in 1080p. Shut up

[dafegamer]

Why not both?

[CertifiedGamer]

I am fucking pissed that this game is being released in 30 frames per second because of parity with last gen consoles like seriously WTF!!!! I would prefer this game to have 900p@60fps than 1080p@30fps. Gaming companies are busy telling developers that anything under 1080p is unacceptable but 30 fps is acceptable. Frame rate matter more than resolution specially in First Person Shooters.

[WizzroSupreme]

The important thing is fun. *ducks*