Performance Analysis: Diablo 3 at 1080p on Xbox One

EG :

"We were hoping to bring you a full Face-Off for Diablo 3 on Xbox One and PlayStation 4 in time for today's launch, but the definitive word on Blizzard's latest console release will have to wait owing to game-changing day one patches deployed for both consoles.

As promised, Xbox One sees a boost to resolution from 900p to full 1080p, while updates for both systems address a bizarre dual frame-rate bug we uncovered last week that the developer has pledged to fix."

[GarrusVakarian]

" That's why we made the decision to drop to 900. That's what we demoed and were showing around E3 time. And Microsoft was just like, 'This is unacceptable. You need to figure out a way to get a better resolution.' So we worked with them directly, they gave us a code update to let us get to full 1080p."

Ummm, what? MS told them to get to 1080p, even helped them get to it...at the expense of framerate? I mean, it's not a huge drop in framerate by any means, but still surprising to see resolution prioritized over framerate at the behest of MS, especially seeing as Phil himself said that framerate is significantly more important than resolution to him.

They should include a "pre-patch" option in the menu for people who would rather have the rock-solid 60fps at 900p, imo.

Either way, I'm happy to see the PS4's render-side stuttering fixed. Hopefully I'll be buying this soon, been waiting ages for it.

[mhunterjr]

It's not surprising, it's just unfortunate. But apparently, the internet criticism certainly makes it seem like we gamers value arbitrary performance specs over the overall quality of the experience...

If a person only owns an xbox one, surely looking at sub1080p upscaled image isn't going to make their eyes bleed. And surely they wouldn't be be playing Diablo on their xb1 in envy of some superior version, it's not like they'd have a 1080p version to compare it to WHILE they are playing.

I think Microsoft would be better off making sure games run well on their platform instead of trying to check the same boxes as the ps4. The folks still harping about resolution gate probably wouldn't buy an xb1 anyway.

[GarrusVakarian]

I think it is surprising, seeing as the head of Xbox himself said that framerate is more important than resolution.

"If a person only owns an xbox one, surely looking at sub1080p upscaled image isn't going to make their eyes bleed. And surely they wouldn't be be playing Diablo on their xb1 in envy of some superior version, it's not like they'd have a 1080p version to compare it to WHILE they are playing. "

Agreed. Which is why I think MS should implement an option to go with the stable 60fps at 900p.

"I think Microsoft would be better off making sure games run well on their platform instead of trying to check the same boxes as the ps4. "

Agreed completely.

[Enemy]

So they fixed it on PS4, which now does 1080/60. They should have just kept it 900p on Xbone to help the frame rate. Too bad.

[Gazondaily]

@Lukas

"I think it is surprising, seeing as the head of Xbox himself said that framerate is more important than resolution. "

Exactly. It goes to show how MS are letting themselves get bullied by the politics of this whole resolution affair.

"I think Microsoft would be better off making sure games run well on their platform instead of trying to check the same boxes as the ps4."

Well said. They'll be playing catch up the whole time if they don't change that mindset.

[darthv72]

So what i would like to know is will the performance improve if you arent running the game at 1080p? I have a 42" plasma that is native 720p and i play the 360 and ps3 and wiiu at 720p. Sure i may not be getting the most from the games in regards to the resolution but its what my TV supports.

In saying that, do the newer systems adjust to the drop in output res by stabilizing the frame rate like PC's can do?

And before anyone asks...yes i have a 1080p LCD but i dont game on that because i like the rich colors and deep black of the plasma display.

[thrust]

So dropping 6fps is bad now if you get 1080p

[dantesparda]

And the MS fanboys claimed that Sony is pushing 1080p on devs, when instead its MS who is pushing 1080p on devs. Oh the irony!

[Finalfantasykid]

@thrust If it is not a stable 30 or 60 fps then you will typically see judder (or screen tearing if not vsync'd), so that 6-10 fps will be noticeable.

[Death]

@Darth,

No, the framerate will be the same regardless what resolution you are playing at. The upscaling/downscaling is done differently than your PC when changing the output resolution.

[4Sh0w]

I watched the whole vid and its 60fps the vast majority throughout this gameplay vid with at most 5-6 framerate drops out of the 12,000 frames of footage they say themselves they nitpicked by hand, wow really???...pfft are we really that concerned??? No one can honestly watch that vid and see any performance issues. Also why wouldn't micro encourage them to up the res when they know they had the code fix that would make this game run so easily at 1080p? They said devs have the freedom to pick and choose res, fps etc depending on the game when it makes sense for the game type, that's not contradictory to their actions here of still seeking to improve games coming to their platform. If any dev is open to help it's good business to help them and it will pay off in their future games too.

What's funny is when you I looked at the old 900p version screenshots compared to the 1080p ones I really dont see a difference, hell even Eurogamers says it's barely noticeable. I'm getting this game today, I never played a Diablo game before but from what I'm hearing this console version is well worth it.

[user367272]

@4Show

I watched the video myself and yup..the framerate drop is so minor out of the 12000 plus frame that it is a non issue. I already have the PC version and wouldn't be buying it but it is good that xb1 players will be getting a 1080p port that runs at 60fps 99% of the time and drop at most 6fps.

[LeCreuset]

"But apparently, the internet criticism certainly makes it seem like we gamers value arbitrary performance specs over the overall quality of the experience... "

I would argue that it's the (intentional?) failure, of certain staunch defenders among MS, the Xbox fanbase and the media, to recognize the substance of that criticism that has led us here.

It may seem hard to believe, now, but there were (not too long ago given the age of the consoles) legitimate questions about how the next gen systems performed in comparison to one another. What's at the crux of the argument isn't resolution and frame-rate. Those are just convenient and readily available barometers which help us measure PERFORMANCE.

Making excessive sacrifices to a game's performance in order to check off the "we can do 1080p too" box is akin to slapping a fresh coat of paint on a rusty boat. MS knows this, as they were quick to emphasize game-play over resolution in response to resolution-gate, pretending to be oblivious to the application of that defense to an argument over multi-platform games with no difference in game-play. Refusing to just concede to being less powerful than the PS4, MS continues this illusion of being on par, even at the cost of the game-play they not too long ago told us was most important.

[mhunterjr]

@LeCreuset

That's pretty much BS. Are you suggesting that a concession from Microsoft that Sony's hardware is graphically superior would have allowed us to avoid a situation where Microsoft is trying to appease detractors? If anything it would lead to them sell fewer consoles.naturally, they'd downplay the issue, and focus on the things they do well.

Do you really think that admitting it would have helped in any way? Can you give any example that where another company publicly states that their rivals product is better at anything? Nintendo won't even admit that the WiiU is less powerful... EVEN THEY now tout the performance specs of their games, despite the fact that they aren't graphically intensive by today's standards.

How silly is it to expect a company to admit inferiority. This is a business. If you ask Mcdonald's they'll tell you their beef tastes better than anything you can get anywhere.

[guitarded77]

We should know by now that PR speak is just a wash of BS.

[LeCreuset]

mhunterjr

If you're going to declare something to be BS, the least you can do is take the time to make your case why that is, instead of just replying with a bunch of questions, the same way I made my case, whether you agreed with it or not. Regardless:

"Are you suggesting that a concession from Microsoft that Sony's hardware is graphically superior would have allowed us to avoid a situation where Microsoft is trying to appease detractors?"

I am telling you that it is MS' staunch unwillingness to just give up that point, specifically their attempts to falsely characterize the criticism as being about pixel counting rather than performance difference (the former being a measure of the latter), that has created the perception that it is all about checking off a 1080p box, which they now find themselves having to do.

"How silly is it to expect a company to admit inferiority."

There's a difference between quietly conceding a point, choosing to focus on strong-points (as Ninty does) and having officials go onto websites and before the media to deceive people about performance disparities, then making up/allowing crap about secret sauces like the cloud (3x Xbox FTW!) giving a performance boost that will allow the Xbox to match or exceed the PS4 (as MS did).

[donthate]

I think what is ironic, is the fact that nobody complained about a bug in the PS4 version, because the vast majority didn't notice that the characters were closer to 40 fps.

All of a sudden a 6 fps drop on a 60 fps game is like disaster. I remember when games used to run at 30 fps with drops, now that was a bad experience.

In fact, I bet no one here will be able to tell when the game dropped those 6 fps without analysis!

Hand picking through 12,000 plus frame to find something is almost the definition of grasping at straws.

[mhunterjr]

@LeCreuset

You and I both know that there is no such thing as a quiet concession. This is the internet. Look at the hoopla we have here over 6-8 frames dropped per 12000 grams.

Imagine if the headline was 'Microsoft admits PS4 is stronger'. How would they ever sell anything? Instead they attempted to deflect the situation... It's what any business would do in a similar situation. You should know this, THAT'S why I called your comment BS, because it is. What you suggest they should have done is simply unfathomable.

It was also BS to imply that MS 'Made excessive sacrifices' to achieve 1080p, when all that was lost was 6-8 frames...rarely.

There was no deception, only deflection. They dispelled secret sauce rumors anytime they were asked about them. And as far as the cloud is considered, we know that they and third parties are working on products that use cloud processing to handle tasks that are normally handled locally. You'll have to wait and see what they deliver before writing it off. If they didn't feel it would make a difference, they wouldn't have invested in it.

[Dir_en_grey]

1080p is easier to market. MS does this so they can say they've got a 1080p game running at 60fps. MS is all about the marketing, and people fall for it. It's a sad thing people keep on falling for their BS marketing, but it's also why they are so big.

[ThanatosDMC]

Seems like a lot of effects are missing on the video compared to when i played it on the PC a year or so ago. Also, it's stable 1080p 60fps. Little to no dip.

[PONTIAC08G8GT]

Ive been playing all day on the X1, no notice of frame rate drops or anything. Looks gorgeous and is playing perfect.

[LeCreuset]

mhunter

"THAT'S why I called your comment BS, because it is. What you suggest they should have done is simply unfathomable."

Stop right there. Let's not go confusing what you are falsely claiming I suggested with what I said.

"You and I both know that there is no such thing as a quiet concession."

Again, stop. That's your position, not mine. I already provided you an example of such a case in Nintendo. They didn't declare the Wii and Wii U to be weaker, but they didn't try to deny it or put out a bunch of PR nonsense contrary to the reality.

"There was no deception, only deflection."

Deflection is changing the subject, as Nintendo does, whenever the issue comes up. Deception is what MS engaged in.

"They dispelled secret sauce rumors anytime they were asked about them."

No they haven't. The closest is Spencer admitting, months after DX12 hype was allowed to swell, that it wouldn't be a game changer for Xbox. In some cases, they're directly responsible for producing the hype. Case in point, how you're still buying into the cloud:

"And as far as the cloud is considered, we know that they and third parties are working on products that use cloud processing to handle tasks that are normally handled locally. You'll have to wait and see what they deliver before writing it off."

We'll have to wait and see. Just like with the multiplats leading up to launch. Just like with the multiplats that came after launch. Just like with the hidden gpu we had to wait for the NDA to expire for. Just like with DX12. That's the answer to any logical argument against the next big, game-changing hype for Xbox. How about instead of waiting to reign in the hype, the MS camp waits until these things change the game before letting the hype run wild?

Fix your BS detector. It's broken.

[MarkusMcNugen]

Websites like this and the gamers that inhabit them are the majority of the problem. Everyone was complaining about resolution, especially fanboys. Rather than judging the games based on fun factor everyone decided specs and resolution mattered. Plenty of the fanboys made it a recurring theme.

Just enjoy the games and the consoles you like. If framerate and resolution were the end all be all of video games than everyone would have a gaming PC.

Frankly, I'm not sure I understand the gaming community anymore. Everyone is cool with the phone industry and their $800 flagship devices but how dare a console be over $400-500...

[mixolydian_id]

50 to 60fps isn't so bad.

The game looks great and appears to be a lot of fun.

1080p isn't an issue... but it is a bonus.

Just what effect causes the frame drops though? Are they worse with specific characters?

The fact all these developers have to get MS involved with optimisation just shows that the dev's are struggling streamlining their products.

Next time round, the MS aid won't be needed.

Same for Tomb Raider... Say MS assist Square Enix with the development of the game for their console release...
there will then be a handful of dev's trained in optimisation for all future SE titles.

An interesting prospect to say the least!

[Mr Pumblechook]

So now the Xbox One version has 1080p resolution at the expense of performance. Phil Spencer said in an interview it was important to have 1080p so the Xbone can be perceived by gamers to have equal power to the PS4.

However pushing for 1080p on Xbone has come at the expense of performance. Phil Spencer also pushed Bungie to make the final version of Destiny in 1080p but this will also impact performance. Instead of pushing developers to hit a number Phil Spencer should allow them to make the game they want so it performs best. Otherwise Xbone owners will be stuck with 1080p games that have frame-rate issues and chug along. Lets the developers decide.

Digital Foundry said "there are now performance issues that creep in at the game's extremes while at 1080p. They're not game-breaking, and many players may not even notice - but it's clear that a 44 per cent boost to resolution doesn't come for free: in the same scenarios, the 900p version proved smoother."

[mhunterjr]

Well, I think what he said was frame rate is more important TO HIM. But he is tasked with selling the console to people other than himself, and other than those who have bought it already...

I'm not SURPRISED that they've come to the conclusion that hitting 1080p, potentially at the detriment of performance would be better for business, based on the the way conversations about the matter have been playing out and on sales data. I just think it sucks that they've come to that conclusion.

[Manic2014]

Seems to me the Resolution Gate put pressure on MS, Agreed it would of been much better if they just kept it at 900p with a steady or locked framerate.

[Death]

At 900p, the game would still be output at 1080p when it hit the tv. Framerate should take priority over native resolution, but some gamers are more vocal than others when it comes to what they feel is important. Since the start of this gen Microsoft has had a bad habit of listening to those that have no intent on buying their console.

[Manic2014]

Exactly and the difference would be very very small from 1080p. MS should've just let it be.

[Software_Lover]

It's all about headlines this gen. I agree with you, keep it 900p and 60, but we all know how HEADLINES work here at N4G. I fear this isn't gonna be the first and only game that sacrifices frame rate to get the resolution-gate up to par.

[GarrusVakarian]

"I fear this isn't gonna be the first and only game that sacrifices frame rate to get the resolution-gate up to par."

Yup. I can it see happening a lot more, unfortunately.

[Letthewookiewin]

Destiny. It hit 1080p on X1 but there will be hits to frame rate

[TheDrunkenJester]

Watching the video the game is doing fine. Only in the beginning did it fall a little. At around 3 minutes there are easily 20 skeletons on screen attacking and it doesn't even dip once. Not worried at all, as long as it doesn't dip to 30 or under it will be fine.

[BG11579]

It's just a pity that that just before that there is a frame drop of 6-8 frames just because of two trees falling down...And the most enemies accounted for in screen in all the video is only 10.

[TheDrunkenJester]

BG11579*

Really? Because if you pause it at 2:54/2:55 there are easily 20 skeletons... Pity you can't count.

[BG11579]

@TheDrukenJester, You're right. The player killed them so fast, I didn't count them. My bad.

[Samsara82]

trolls will complain that there is a MAJOR frame rate drop...When they are a lot of ennemies on screen, I've seen even better PC drop in frame rate....and its actually very surprising that its mostly at 60 and with a screen full of ennemies only gets around 50-55 ..

[SilentNegotiator]

So resolution is super important to Microsoft now? Even at the cost of performance?

Is there ANYTHING AT ALL that Microsoft isn't going to 180 on this gen?

[Cueil]

the performance dips are within reason... it's not an FPS I don't think you'll notice it at all... if it were to drop into the low 40s that could cause issues, but seems to be rather limited and stays over 50

[SilentNegotiator]

It doesn't matter; the developers made the decision to lower the resolution for perfect performance and MS came along and pressured them to change it to the higher resolution, determined enough to help with it.

MS has been telling us over and over and over that resolution isn't important and their actions say otherwise; pressuring Blizzard, cutting back on Forza visuals, etc. They wouldn't do all of these things if what their PR department has been telling us wasn't BS.

[SilentNegotiator]

No, actually I'm not doing that at all.

I'm just pointing out the hypocrisy of the "resolution doesn't matter" Microsoft coming down on Blizzard for having their game at 900p.

Note that he doesn't say "And Microsoft was just like, 'This could be better. Let us help you achieve 1080p.'", but instead said "And Microsoft was just like, 'This is UNACCEPTABLE. YOU NEED TO figure out a way to get a better resolution.'"

[Animal Mutha 76]

I'm also very surprised by that. To suggest that MS had pushed for 1080p. Strange indeed and counter to their PR about smooth gameplay.

I hope this isn't a trend where MS are trying to match PS4 'advantages' behind closed doors, yet say something else to the public.

MS should stick to their guns and play to the strengths of their system 900p and smooth 60fps is still a good place to be.

[memots]

900p a strength?

[carlosjrix]

Are you complaining gettin a 1080 60 fps (dips to 50) patch from a 900 60 fps locked.. wtf?
would you like last of us 900p with a locked 60 fps?..

[Letthewookiewin]

Just wait until the games are actually demanding and Msoft demands they make it 1080p and the devs say " sorry can't do it but we can do it on PS4" MS is damage controlling and it's not going to end up well for them, this kind of behavior will be seen by more than just the hardcore community eventually. Kojima straight said screw you, your system can't hit 1080p I'm making it 720p because frame rate is more important and he's right to feel that way. Blizzard should have kept it at 900p and had a perfect frame rate.

[Malphite]

I think going for 1080p at 50-60fps is definately the better option in this specific case. Diablo isn't exactly the game that requires super fast reactions. At 60 fps you have about 16.7ms/frame. At 50 fps it's 20ms/f. So the difference is just above 3 ms in cases where the framerate drops to 50fps which is rarely the case. That's pretty much irrelevant especially to a game like Diablo 3.

I think this whole topic about resolution and framerates became much to big. It's used to market games nowadays and it sadly works. People like to talk about framerates and the improvements in gameplay without knowing that the latency of their controllers and TVs is much more important in most cases.

[Ghost_Nappa]

Um, no. There is a huge visual difference between 30fps and 60fps.

[Malphite]

@Ghost Nappa: Congratulations on not reading my comment. Where have I said that there is no difference between 30fps and 60fps? I can tell you exactly what the difference is. 60fps means lower latency and therefore faster response. Your answer tells me that you care about the fluid animations at higher framerates more than for higher response times.

Still going for 1080p at 50-60fps gives you 3.3ms more latency when the framerate drops. In comparison going for 1080p at 30fps (since you mentioned 30fps for some reason) would give you 16.7ms more latency. That's a noticable difference for some genres.

But the point I was trying to make was: Everyone suddenly seems to care about framerates and resolutions so much yet barely anyone knows the latency distance of his/her TV or input devices or the optimal viewing distance to the TV which is very important.

You can effectively eliminate all the benefits of higher resolution by sitting too far away from your TV (that may be the case for a lot of people that claim to see no difference between 720p and 900p/1080p).

[Alsybub]

I've brought up the issue of latency in screens before. People just seem to think that the image goes from their console to the screen instantly.

You need to take the latency of the screen processing the image and, if you have an LCD or LED screen' there may also be considerable pixel lag in to account too and this is different for every model and manufacturer.

If you run your console through an AV receiver then this will increase latency.

Another thing is image calibration. I wonder how many people actually have this set correctly. I'm going to guess very few.

[Back-to-Back]

Confirmed xbox one cannot run a 2 year old game at a consistent 1080/60fps. Really sad considering diablo 3 requires very low specs to max.

[kingjames18]

Hows the food troll? You lapping up those 6fps drops like caramel flavored ice cream aren't ya?

Everyone hammering on this issue is really stupid. Most games even ones that are supposed "Locked" at 60/30fps will have random dips. Issues from memory leakage to problems in the code to who knows what else can cause framerate hiccups. I really want to see all of you bitching about such a small framerate drop say the same thing for the PS4 version. Because I can guarantee you that it isn't 100% locked in at 60fps with no dips.

[jc12]

i dont really see why the X1 would have trouble getting this game to run at 1080p/60fps. Honestly, the graphics aren't really that good; They definitely don't look "next-gen."

[Evilsnuggle]

I love the Microsoft defense league it only 6fps or 1080P doesn't matter. Lol

Diablo 3 and every multi platform game will be not judge on it's own frame rates or resolution. No it will be judged on it's frame rates and resolution vs The PS4 frame rates.

We all know Microsoft is doing double talk. Phil Spencer will say frame rates are more important than resolution. But we all know Microsoft will push for 1080P or parity at any and all costs.

Why because every article and website that state that PS4 has higher resolution than X1. Is just more proof that PS4 is just more powerful than X1. That's the more hard fact that PS4 is more powerful than X1. It makes it harder for Microsoft to to deceive the customer that X1 is as powerful as the PS4.

Most xbox fan boys deny the fact that not only does the PS4 have higher resolution on the last majority of 3rd party multi platform game. Most xbox fan boys only acknowledge that PS4 has higher resolution they totally ignore the fact that PS4 also has higher frame rates or improved stability or a higher average of frame rates than X1. PS4 has consistently out preformed X1 in the ability to run game better AA, better stability in frame rates , better Shadows and lighting in most 3rd party multi platform game.

Destiny will be no different the PS4 version will also preform better than the X1 version . Just getting to 1080P will have negative impact on the X1 version . It Would better serve the X1 gamers if Microsoft did not pushing for 1080P. PS4 will have the superior version when a developer is pushing the hardware because PS4 is the vastly superior hardware. Xbone fan boys can fantastic that 50% more GPU cores is insignificant . But that is far from the truth it's about 30% real world preformance by digitalfoundry benchmark of PS4 GPU vs X 1 GPU. That's doesn't take in account the huge advantage that PS4 has in it's 8 G of GDRR5 unified memory system vs the disadvantage of only 8G of slower DDR3 and 32 megs of Esram. Also PS4 huge advantage of 8 ACE' s vs X1 2 ACE's a advantage of 400% PS4. Asynchronous Compute Engines is PS4 real "secret sauce" vs X1 first party development.

[Ghost_Nappa]

TL;DR IDC

[BlackWolf12]

It's unfortunate that Microsoft dictated to the developer like that. Very unfortunate.

But I don't blame them for saying it is unacceptable. After playing D3 on PS4 I can safely say that anything below 1080p wouldn't have looked very good.

[lawgone]

Did you watch the video? Any drop in frame rate is imperceptible to the human eye. Besides, it was at 60fps most of the time with occasional, very short lived drops to 54fps and up. (Most drops hovered around 58fps.) It would be impossible to notice while playing it. I just watched the 1440p version on YouTube and tried to look for it and couldn't see any difference.

[sonarus]

Microsoft needs to break perception that they are weaker than ps3 or drop their price. Its really that simple. Nobody wants to pay more for less. They will continue to push claims of 1080p and 60fps to keep up with sony. Xbox gamers unfortunately will be subjected to inferior quality maybe not all the time but at the very least some of the time and based on what we have seen so far most of the time.

Xbox owners should stand by their original claim that they don't care about graphics. Communicate this to microsoft and maybe they will stop pushing arbitrary numbers at the expense of performance.

[Kayant]

"We did find it challenging early on to get it to 1080p. That's why we made the decision to drop to 900. That's what we demoed and were showing around E3 time. And Microsoft was just like, 'This is unacceptable. You need to figure out a way to get a better resolution.' So we worked with them directly, they gave us a code update to let us get to full 1080p." - Wait a second here haven't MS execs being like play the game not res and only recently Phil saying framerate being more important than res. That PR.

[GarrusVakarian]

"That PR."

That's exactly what it is, just PR BS. They've managed to convince some of their fans that resolution is overrated, yet they themselves don't even believe it, and are clearly willing to sacrifice playability in favour of it.

Thing is, I doubt most X1 gamers on this site, and most X1 gamers in general, wouldn't have even cared about it being 900p. So MS's "help" is ironic. I hope they don't intervene with other games and pressure the devs to make sacrifices just to hit 1080p. Especially the exclusives, because they're the ones I'll be buying.

[mhunterjr]

PR is overly used as a derogatory term. You are right that X1 gamers probably wouldn't have cared to play the game at 900p. And you are right that previously they've downplayed the importance of native resolution (which is exactly what anyone of us would do if our hardware consistently operated at a lower native resolution).

But the decision to push for more 1080p games on x1 doesn't mean that they don't don't believe in their own stance on resolution. it's simply a recognition that millions of potential customers disagree with that stance...

The customer is always right. So the PR BS that you refer to is actually an attempt at flexibility. If they had felt resolution was so important all along, they would have included hardware that made higher resolutions more easily obtainable.

[GarrusVakarian]

@mhunterjr

"So the PR BS that you refer to is actually an attempt at flexibility"

I disagree. Phil said that framerate is significantly more important than resolution five days ago at Gamescom, and MS have made numerous comments about gameplay being more important than resolution in the past. I don't see the most controversial aspect of this generation so far being flexible in terms of their stance on it.

They've made it pretty clear to their fans that resolution isn't the be all and end all , and now to see them actively push for it, at the expense of framerate (even thought it's not a huge sacrifice), is a little slap in the face of everything they have said over the past year in regards to framerate and resolution.

[darthv72]

They could have gone for 960p as a trade off to keep the fps solid while improving the res.

[mhunterjr]

@Lukas_Japonicus

A slap in the face? Really? The loss of 6-8 frames out of 12000 or so is offensive?

It was a compromise, and one that I disagree with out of principle. But to say this is anything other than an attempt to deliver what people are appear to be expecting, is sensationalist REACHING.

If the game was 1080p, but suffered from frequent stutter, I'd say it was a slap in the face...If the game was 1080p but the image quality took a dive when compared to the 900p build, I'd say it was a slap in the face... If the locked frame rate was significantly reduced, it would be a slap in the face...But here, you have a situation where the ideal resolution was reached, AND the ideal frame rate is maintained MOST OF THE TIME. It was simply a minor compromise. MS has one stance, the market has another, and they met somewhere in between. And to be honest, when looking at the end result here, they didn't stray far from their own stance.

[LeCreuset]

"... most X1 gamers... wouldn't have even cared about it being 900p"

I'll do you one better, I doubt most gamers care about "Resolution-gate," beyond using resolution and frame-rate as barometers to measure and distinguish performance among the next-gen systems.

This whole thing started with COD: Ghosts, no one's nomination for best looking next gen game. It was less about graphics than performance and maximizing consumers' bang for their buck. Yes, if there are two copies of a product where one is in any way superior to the otherwise identical copy, the smart choice is to go with the superior one, unless the inferior is cheaper, but that's not why this became the scandal it has. MS willfully deceived fans about the performance difference between the consoles, resulting in the truth having to be shoved in their faces. Those differences in console performance are a point they still refuse to entirely concede.

MS' response to the evidence of the disparity — the collective of multiplat performance differences known as "Resolution-gate" — was to shift from implying that those calling out the disparity were liars to painting them as graphics snobs more concerned about counting pixels than playing games.

Instead of acknowledging the legitimacy of performance differences and conceding the point, MS and their defenders played the refs (to use a sports analogy), whining about their critics to the point that the media repeated their false characterization of the criticism as being about resolution, when really it was about performance.

MS intentionally created this perception that the issue has been about simply checking off the 1080p box, at all costs. Now, they're having to meet the conditions of the reality they created.

[n4rc]

Well.. It IS overrated.. But that doesn't mean it isn't important. Mostly from an image point of view, but still.. Its something they'd rather not have to explain to people obviously.

Saying framerate is more important then resolution isnt "PR bs", its fact.

[BallsEye]

Game runs almost flawlessly in 60 fps, occasionally dropping few frames when it get's too busy on screen. Is going 900p worth getting those 5-9 extra frames in occasional situations? Come on....

I guess phil meant something like 60fps 900p vs 30fps 1080p. This is clearly not the case and you know it.

[candoa]

Yeah this Sony fan boys are acting like occasionally 2-5 drops in rare occasion is the end of the world, clearly they're upset that the xbox one is not 900p that is the real true. Tomb Raider was all over the in the ps4 and infamous was even worse, i guess accordign to the logic those games should have being 900p.

[MRMagoo123]

I'm guessing you guys haven't played it before because if the game drops 6 frames when you only have 20 mobs on screen it'll be far worse when you do a rift and there are 100 mobs at once as you stutter down to 40 or something.

[imt558]

Will Xbone owners for framerate drops say similar like Microsoft for resolution : "This is unacceptable"?

Well, i think that 4-8 fps framerate drops from 60fps is seamlessly to most gamers during game session.

I'm surprised that Microsoft forced Blizzard to make that game to 1080p on Xbone instead to keep framerate steady. Didn't Phil Spencer said a few days ago - framerate over resolution?

[Destiny1080]

you would thing it wouldn't bother you just losing 6+ frames every few seconds on certain levels and I would say most wont even notice, but its really quite noticeable to some people and actually can be quite annoying, they should really give an option for people how want a locked frame rate, even if its a hidden option which you can unlock with some code are button combination, how many xbox fans would turn down titanfall to 720p if given the option to get rid of all the screen tearing and dropped frames

[Cueil]

I don't think MS "forced" them, but do you think Blizzard didn't want to try and do this... it was also good for the team to get together with the team that does this stuff from Microsoft. And for people who don't know, Microsoft has a whole studio that's only job is to go and help developers get the most out of the console it's been around since the 360.

[incendy35]

Personally I think a locked 60fps would be better, but I guess you have to please the vocal "annoying" internet trolls first. Be best if they would just give performance options like they do on PC.

Or just continue to play it on PC I suppose.

[GarrusVakarian]

"but I guess you have to please the vocal "annoying" internet trolls first."

This is all about trying to make it appear that you/your console can hang with the opposition, this has nothing to do with pleasing a tiny population of vocal internet trolls. And it certainly wouldn't be MS's priority to please them. That's pretty naive to think that. No offence.

[incendy35]

"This is all about trying to make it appear that you/your console can hang".

By "appear", you mean, not giving the loud internet a spec they can use in every argument? Perception is exactly the issue the loud internet creates.

Gameplay is the most important thing when you are actually playing a game, but specs are really all internet trolls have to use in their arguments.

@Lukas: you did say that. No words put in your mouth, but your own. You are using perception as your argument and then arguing with yourself.

[GarrusVakarian]

"By "appear", you mean, not giving the loud internet a spec they can use in every argument?"

No, that's not what I mean, at all. If I meant that, I would have typed that. Stop putting words into my mouth.

MS are doing their best to change their public image, encouraging (or in this case pressuring) devs to match PS4 in certain areas is a key way they are trying to rebuild the image of themselves and their console.

"Gameplay is the most important thing when you are actually playing a game, but specs are really all internet trolls have to use in their arguments."

That's ironic seeing as now, those very same "internet trolls" have the matter of the PS4 version having better gameplay to use in their arguments due to the X1 version not being a stable 60fps, too. 60fps isn't just a "spec", it affects gameplay.

[GarrusVakarian]

@incendy

"@Lukas: you did say that. No words put in your mouth, but your own."

Please quote me saying that. Please, because I REALLY didn't say it. I'm arguing with you, not myself. Lmao. You keep talking about perception, but yours seems to be pretty skewed. You can't even perceive peoples comments correctly.

I just looked through all of my comments on this page, and not once did I say that this is about not giving the loud internet a spec they can use in every argument. You are literally making that up and then trying to tell me I said it. I even explained *exactly* what I meant by "appear that you can hang" in my reply, but you seem to have glossed over that part:

"MS are doing their best to change their public image, encouraging (or in this case pressuring) devs to match PS4 in certain areas is a key way they are trying to rebuild the image of themselves and their console."

That ^^^ is that how they are making it appear to the general public that they can hang with Sony/PS4.

So learn to read, fix your skewed perception (and stop accusing me of using perception as my argument, when I'm not even talking about perception, I made it very clear what my argument is), and stop calling putting words into peoples mouths. You seem to think you're a lot smarter than you actually are, accusing people of certain made-up things and then not being able back them up with evidence/quotes. Lol.

In fact, this entire argument between us has happened because of your misperception of a single sentence of mine. Ironic, or what?

[schnodder]

or on ps4 :)

[MysticStrummer]

"By "appear", you mean, not giving the loud internet a spec they can use in every argument?"

That's quite a leap.

OT - It's interesting that MS called 900p unacceptable. Many of their fans here would disagree.

[oSHINSAo]

Can you guys help me with my doubt? is this game supports multiplayer offline ??

[monkey nuts]

Yes, it supports up to four player online and local (offline) multiplayer. I just bought the game and I'm looking forward to playing something that's not first/ third person shooter/ stealth/ platform etc. Slowly getting burnt out, I need a quality racing sim or a PGR kind of racer to sink my spare time into. Reality is starting to seep through to my conscience. I need distractions!

[Sonital]

It does, 4 player local co-op. It's great fun but I would advise against playing with a boyfriend/girlfriend as I couldn't handle the "These stats are better for you"..."But this one looks nicer on me" facepalm of a conversation..

[oSHINSAo]

LoL bro, nice advice, i was loking games to play with my gf XD...

[Dewitt]

This framerate looked very solid for a game with as much change as D3 can throw at you. Very slight drops in some very high impact areas.

[MRMagoo123]

They didn't seem to show any high impact areas as you call them , playing on higher torments includes bigger groups of mobs and more groups of mobs , if the game loses frames at 20 which seemed to be the maximum they saw, then imagine when you pull a couple groups of 30 or so at once.

[marlinfan10]

Its a lose, lose for them. If They don't hit 1080p, theyll get the typical backlash for that. then if it doesn't have a steady frame rate, we hear they shouldve left it at 900p.

[MasterCornholio]

I'm having trouble understanding this.

" That's why we made the decision to drop to 900. That's what we demoed and were showing around E3 time. And Microsoft was just like, 'This is unacceptable. You need to figure out a way to get a better resolution.' So we worked with them directly, they gave us a code update to let us get to full 1080p."

Are they saying that Microsoft forced the developers to bump up the resolution to 1080P at the expense of framerate?

In my opinion if the developers wanted a locked 60FPS they should be allowed to achieve that regardless of resolution. Plus like digital foundry said the difference in 900P and 1080P is barely noticeable so they should have dropped the resolution to achieve a locked 60FPS.

[Antwan3k]

Virtually identical on both consoles.. More and more multiplatform games are reaching parity, which is a good thing for both gamers and developers.. Keeps the focus on gameplay rather than hardware specs..

And like it or not, even if it meant dropping a few frames here and there, this move was indeed to avoid more PR crap from headlines.. Had the game stayed at 900p, every headline for the next week and a half would have been "Diablo III 1080p on PS4, 900p on Xbone!!".. But with this, there will be no headlines.. Just review scores.. And review scores won't mention a difference of a few frames that no one other than Digital Foundry would notice..

The end result is two games that look exactly the same and there are no big PR headlines..

[gfk342]

In case of Diablo 3, they look virtually identical but perform differently, given the Xone drops frames in the low 50s (we don't know how it performs with 2-3 additional players).

In the case of Metro Redux, the versions perform identical, but look vastly different, as the Xone's version is 912p, while Ps4's version is 1080p.

So no, the gap is not closing. In my opinion the gap will widen, based on the following consideration:
- Microsoft representatives are personally involved in the development of the games and are heavily optimizing the games, as in the case of Diablo 3 and Destiny. On the other hand, the Ps4's version of the games are not heavily optimized (we don't hear complaints from developers in this respect).
- Microsoft used all the hardware resources of Xone, by overclocking the APU and by releasing the 10% GPU that was reserved for Kinect. Ps4, on the other hand, have the 8 ACE units that will vastly help the performance.

For me this means that the games will never reach parity, but the difference will widen.

[candoa]

I only saw the framerate drop in 2 parts and it was 54 for less than a second. if you want to make a case base on that your grasping a straws.

[ThatOneGuyThere]

"is a graphical beast" ...wut?

It was actually SHOCKING that they had to try so hard to get D3 running at 1080 at all on a current-gen system. That doesn't speak of the XB1's power, it speaks very clearly to the lack thereof. D3 is not a graphical powerhouse.

[MegaDan]

No, parity is NOT good for gamers, if you chose to buy an inferior console that has to sacrifice alot to achieve 1080p then thats your problem, PS4 owners should not have to suffer because of that. Developers need to use each hardware to the fullest not limit it simply because one console can't do what the other one can.

[ThatOneGuyThere]

well, lets think about this, the PS4, if its not dipping at all, means theres still a lot more room above the 1080p, 60fps requirement of D3 that the PS4's superior hardware could provide. Who knows how many more graphical enhancements and effects could have been added to the game if not for parody.

[MaxwellBuddha]

@MegaDan

"Developers need to use each hardware to the fullest not limit it simply because one console can't do what the other one can."

Oh, cry me a river. Welcome to the life of a PC gamer, except our hardware actually *IS* more powerful than console, and not by some insignificant minute discrepancy like with PS4-Xbox One either.

[kurruptor]

So Blizzard was worried it wouldn't hold at 60FPS when a lot was going on in the game.

So during the frames test, they used a low level character? Shouldn't they use multiple high level characters and a large battle?

[Sonital]

Agreed, Act 3 and 4 is where I spent most of my time so that better not be crappy!

[Bonkerz]

So let me understand this, you guys are gonna find a way to complain and make the X1 look bad even though the FPS drops are so small and are barely happening in that video? There are points where it goes on for minutes of combat and no FPS drops at all, but let me guess thats still not good enough for you PS4 owners? You guys need to find a new hobby instead of sitting like hawks waiting for X1 articles to pop up, idk maybe um play your PS4s?

[rarity]

I got here because the article is in the ps4 section >_>

[Illusive_Man]

Not sure why Lukas keeps going on and on about this. Both MS and Sony push developers to get the most out of their respective boxes especially for high profile games. In fact, I'm happy MS not only pushed Blizzard but they partnered with them to squeeze even more juice out of the Xbox One. If it means sacrificing 60 fps lock and having the game run stable at averages at 55 fps and achieving 1080p I have no issue whatsoever.

[gfk342]

This does not sound good for the future of Xone.

Not even a year pasted from the release of Xone and Microsoft engineers are directly involved in the optimizations of the games.

And even with this help, Diablo 3 is not able to run at a constant 60 fps?!

What will happen after 1-2 years from now for Xone?

The future does not sound good for Xbox!

[4Sh0w]

Are you serious?, without a bench test you wouldnt even notice that there was a tiny 3-5fps drop only a few times out of a entire nitpicked vid, that they themselves say they looked through 12,000 frames to find and yet the game is running at 1080p 60fps very steadily BECAUSE micro said we can help you better optimize it= that's great news for microsoft, that they are willing to step in for those devs who are challenged by X1 architecture at this early stage of the consoles life cycle. I think the real problem here is some are just mad that more games are reaching parity, fanboys are always looking for a reason to downplay the other console, makes them sleep better.

Plenty of games last gen on both consoles had vids showcasing large fps drops for games running at 30fps and nobody cared if it wasn't game breaking type stuttering, pffft now we're going to quibble over minor fps drops.

[gfk342]

@Sh0w
But you are serious? I'll give you one example. Last gen, 360 won over Ps3 for less than that. I'll give you as example Far Cry 3 where the resolutions where as follows:
PS3 1274x702
X360 280x704

As regards the performance in the gameplay there was a difference of 2 fps.

In this face off The X360 won, despite the minimal difference between them.

Nonetheless, I was just stating my opinion on the Xone future.

[MCTJim]

"So we worked with them directly, they gave us a code update to let us get to full 1080p."

So they gave them the SDK update to get it to run in 1080p without having dramatic fps loss...so people can now see the difference between 55 and 60fps?

Please just play your game and stop squabbling about 5fps.

[PS4OUR]

I thought Phil Spencer said framerate is more important??

and what about letting the developers free to their artistic vision?

So many 180's and they keep comin'

[Dontworrybhappy]

I hope your trolling. If not, get a life. Like I thought I had no life, but you take the cake.

[PS4OUR]

Trolling? No. A quick google search will let you know what i stated was fact. I didn't pull anything from my rear. Spencer stated framerate is more important than resolution.
Yet Xbox division demanded Diablo be pushed to 1080p (with framerate drops).
Add to the fact that the tests involved here did not include later parts of the game where performance takes a hit even on PC. So how does Xbox One fair when the physics gets really demanding.
Maybe you have no life since it looks like you used up all of your bubbles. LOL

BTW, keep the disagrees coming.

[thexmanone]

So is this the first game the PS4 is able to hit 1080P/60fps. And the xbox dips down to 55fps/1080p. So where is this massive power difference that people seem to bring up all the time here. I just don`t see it.

[KRUSSIDULL]

Graphical power isn't proportional so the difference is smaller than it is theoretically . I called it out early this gen the difference is gonna be a few FPS or Pixels difference as seen with Diablo 3 and Destiny.

[OsirisBlack]

wait until you have some couch co op going on in the higher levels with a ton of stuff on screen the dips will be much more noticeable. There was a reason Blizzard went with 900p and it will show. Also using Destiny as an example is not a good idea as they stated that they are aiming for "Parity" across systems hell Evolve, The Witcher III and Destiny have all stated they are aiming for console parity.

[user7402931]

its like saying my lamborghini is driving 60 mph alongside this honda civic at 55 mph on a 55-60 mph speed zone. you make no sense.

[KRUSSIDULL]

As a PC player dropping to the lowest 54 FPS from what I saw is nothing! That's just 6 fps difference and you wont notice it when the game runs fps that high. If it was locked at 30 fps and dipped to 24 fps you would notice much more. The higher FPS the less you notice FPS drops. I play all my games on PC at 120 fps and wont notice if it drops to 90.

[JackVagina]

1080p + few unnoticeable frame drops > 900p 60fps

[Dontworrybhappy]

Nope.

[mochachino]

I'd much rather prefer a 900p game with a stable 60 fps then a 1080p with an unstable framerate.

For most people sitting 6-8 feet away from their TV, 900p to 1080p won't be that noticeable. But a lower framerate or unstable one would be very noticeable.

[cruzngta]

At least they got it to 1080p on XB1.

[PCBOX]

So you are kidding right by saying back to 900p for only averagely 4fps? It dips min til 54fps on extreme scenes other than that constant 60fps and it can be easily patched later.For God's sake

[SwiftArsonist]

so damned if u do damned if you dont. 1080 60fps on both consoles yet digital foundry said they wouldve prefer 900p and 60. see this is bs journalism, if they wouldve released it like that they wouldve been all over ms and now that they deliver... i mean really? how long will this hypocrisy continue?

let me tell u something kiddos, i own a gaming pc, amd fx 8350 8core overclocked, 16gb ram and a r9 280x and still the framerate drops below 60 sometimes. this is normal in diablo. and with constant updates it will be more stable. move on from this retarded resolution crap, dont listen to this websites and enjoy your games.

[strangeaeon]

so damned if u do damned if you dont.

Pretty much sums up ANY generation for MS and the Xbox brand, at least in the online realm.

[hello12]

Digital foundry already tested this game a week ago and the xb1 version (900p 60 frames) was already showing substantially better frames than the PS4 version was at 1080p and 60 frames (pre patch) People said you can't judge it that way because the PS4 version has a higher resolution.

Before you guys say i am lying about the poor PS4 frame rate pre patch. Here is the video. PS4 version is hitting very low 40's at times.

s https://www.youtube.com/wat...

Roll on today. Digital foundry confirms the x box 1 version is now 1080p and 60 frames after the patch. Dropping into the low 50's at certain points (rare event)

So the x box 1 version after the patch and the PS4 pre patch both having the same resolution and frame rate. Still xb1 version still had the better frame rate.About a 10 or 11 frame difference at the lowest drop.

Digital foundry doesn't say if all the frame rates issues on PS4 have been fully fixed and we still haven't got a video to compare both versions after patch. I'm going to watch this one closely and see how the PS4 version is holding up after the patch.

[Cerbus]

"However, upon testing, the PS4 discretely updated again to C2.0.9.26396 later that day, with the patch notes listing "improved gameplay performance throughout title" - and yes, a quick test in the problem area outside the New Tristram gates reveals the issue has been resolved. Further testing still needs to be carried out in the game's more packed areas, but so far, the PS4's render-side stuttering looks to be fully fixed."
Not hard to find guess you just left it out to try and make it seem Xone was actually better but as you see thats not the case. Second place for Xone again sorry.

[turdburgler1080]

Game never dropped below 52 FPS in the video. And that only happened a couple of times. I was playing it this morning and never saw any low FPS points. Games awesome. If you don't own it buy it.

[kurruptor]

They were playing a low level character and the areas were kind of boring. There was also only one character.

They should have tested with multiple high level characters at the same time in an intense area.

[PrinterMan]

I am by no means a Microsoft fan and I game on PC and PS3 right now and will NEVER buy an MS gaming system. But...losing 6 fps from 60 fps is absolutely nothing. If it stays between 50 and 60fps I consider that completely unnoticeable. That's even too petty for die hard MS hater like myself. Sheesh!

[kizzle32]

I could probably almost guarantee if this was never a story, nobody would have even noticed those minuscule drops in framerate. Same as if someone put a PS4 version and Xbox One version side by side and said "Both are running at locked 60fps and at native 1080p" and 99.9% of people that watched them would have no idea if in reality, the Xbox One version was running at 900p upscaled with minor dips in framerate.

Pretty petty if you ask me that peeps are making a deal about this. DISCLAIMER: NON-FANBOY COMMENT - I PLAY ON XBOX ONE, PS4, WIIU, and PC.

[horndog]

I like it. It's good to see MS working with devs to hit a certain target that will benefit the xboxone gamers. Can you actually tell when a game dips 5-6 frames?? Didn't thinks so. We got frames and res to go with that. Good job micro.

[KarmaV12]

Well said, if anyone can see with your own eyes, a frame rate drop from 60 to 50 without software telling you that its happening, go ahead and let me know. People are so ridiculous when it comes to this. I'll take what the devs give me because they know whats best. They are professionals working on the game from scratch so don't try and tell them whats best for their own game.

[strangeaeon]

I have this game on PC, can anyone give me a good reason to buy this version? Honest question, not trolling.

[Cryptcuzz]

I found paying on consoles more fun with how the controls are done. It's now more like an action RPG game. No need to click to move anymore. Menus are more streamlined and neat, etc.

Try it out for yourself. If you're happy with the way it is on the PC, I doubt what anyone can tell you, would change your mind.

Only way is to try it out for yourself and see if you like the way it handles and plays on consoles versus on PC.

[Mkai28]

You already know that answer, if your Pc isn't powerful enough then the console version is the way to go. But you already knew that..

[phantomxll]

So basically people here are complaining that its 1080p but only 60fps 99% of the time. Yea, I know... it makes absolutely no sense.

[Mkai28]

What's pathetic is, people on here are saying they should've stuck with 900p 60fps.. Yet these same people are the first to say, yet another game that's not 1080p.. Poor Xbone, but, but, ect..

If every up and coming xbox one game played at 1080p @ 60fps and the framerate drops 5 to 6 frames, I would have no problem with that..

[VP37]

It is virtually impossible to make everyone happy. Sadly, this is especially true for gamers. 1080p / 60fps with occasional and brief dips into the low 50's. I don't see the problem...it's a console.

Now if i had a $5000 gaming-rig and the game performed like that...I'd have a problem with that.

Let's see how the side/side comparison goes between the PS4/X1, now that the X1 has been patched and the problem with the PS4 version was fixed.

Then you guys can argue about that.

[Aragnos82]

Got a question if my friends still have only diablo 3 and not reaper of souls can i still play with them? im on ps3 by the way.

And add me if you got ps3 psn Hale822.Maine USA 32 not a kid.

Level 70 monk name ARGANOS82.making new characters as well.

[FayZ_]

performance is still great, i really don't mind 900p i just hope more games are 900p+ and 1080p if possible.

[lfc_4eva]

This is a total non-issue.

1080p is great. Well done.
So the frame rate dips to the lower 50's. And this is a problem for some people? If I can get that in some of the more intense games on my pc, I'm a happy bunny. Low 50's is still a very fluid and playable frame rate.

If you look at any decent pc gaming rag, they'll put the lower limit of playable anywhere between 25-30. So low 50's is great. Now lets move on to playing some games dudes.

[DJustinUNCHAIND]

I've noticed no frame dips at all. I've been playing with three other people and no stuttering has occurred.

[PCBOX]

For God's sake.Many people including me playing this game on Ultra at 1080p but fps still dips under 60.It is a code problem with the game.There is nothing to do with X1 or PS4 that's it.

[rapidturtle]

Just enjoy the freaking game and stop worrying about pixels.

[kingjames18]

This game is known for memory leaks that will drop framerate on PC. I wish people especially Fanboy's for PS4 would just shut up and enjoy the game on PS4. Instead of trying to nitpick over a few frame drops on a system they don't even own...

[yewles1]

Amazing to see all this 180 damage controlling after praising superior performance on X1 two articles ago, ignoring the 900p buffer and PS4 bug previously.

[pop-voxuli]

Doubt it.

[Azzanation]

Ok so I want to ask everyone in this article that why does it matter so much? I own D3 on PC and before I upgraded it, I was running it around 30frames at 1080p. I now run it at a solid 60 after my upgrade and regardless of the difference this game is great. I would never buy this game on consoles because I like the point and click gameplay (my opinion) you should all be happy that you can even play D3 on X1/PS4 since Blizzard arent huge fans of consoles.

What I don't understand is every article that comes out with a X1 game not running at 1080p everyone on N4G makes a big deal out of it. Now that MS put a stop to the nonsense, now fanboys are saying they should have stuck with 900p for solid 60frames.. why so they can jump the band wagon "on my games better then yours" debate again? Double standards are becoming obvious and embassering the gaming community. Just let the developers make there games.

[funkybudda]

Too bad, Xbox's inferior hardware got exposed again. At same price, why would you buy Xbox One? For time exclusives!?

[schnodder]

yeah really, when it comes to gaming there's no better place like ps4. i mean you just have to watch sony's gc show. over 10 new IPs and there is something for everyone.

only a fanboy would only buy a xb1

[Tedakin]

When framerates get up to 40 and above I can't see a difference. The only reason we even know is because of these digital foundry tests that show for a 10th of a second the framerate dropped. I love though how a game can be 60fps for an hour, then drop to 45 for 1 second and everyone says the game is 45fps.

[ShaqSoda]

Playing it right now on my X1 and it's so smooth and it looks fantastic. Good job Blizzard.

[schnodder]

smooth enough for xb1 players :)

[Doritos_Pope]

I'd take 900P and 60fps over 1080p and 50fps.. . .

[lfc_4eva]

Clueless?

[annus]

This console gen is so confusing. It use to be that the eye couldn't see 60FPS, and now people are complaining about the occasional drop to low 50FPS like it's some major concern. Almost all games will drop at some point, hell a lot of PS4 games do and nobody seems to notice, like when Infamous hits 20FPS. In fact there are barely any games that DON'T drop in framerate.

[schnodder]

you CAN see the difference between 30 and 60 fps as well as fps drops ...

[annus]

I primarily play on PC, I am well aware of framerate differences. Minor framerate drops at high fps (ie 60 to 53) is barely noticeable. And I was just pointing out how weird it is how the same people who WERE saying 60FPS isn't even noticeable are now complaining about minor drops. This is a mere 12% drop, yet people don't seem to complain about far bigger drops (such as Infamous 33% drop). Seems like fanboys hating for the sake of hating.

[ARESWARLORD]

playing it all night on the BONE and it runs and looks great. Happy with my purchase.

[busytoad]

Loving the ps4 exclusive content like the free Ledendary shoulder gear that lvlvs when you do,cant wait to see the exclusive nephlem realm that has the last of us monsters in it.

[Jazzuri]

If gaming is heaven on earth then Eurotrash (cough cough gamer) is hell on earth.

The only value to be found in this flame rate analysis is the diablo's not in the details.

The idiom "the devil is in the detail" whatever one does should be done thoroughly but more importantly, in this case Not At All. Omg it dropped 5 flames per second, the glass is so half empty at EG.

For the good of our beloved games stop with these pathetic articles, take a moment and look in the mirror and analyse that !! we only hope Lisa isn't overly kind to you for what you've done !

Now take ten steps in 1 direction, stand infront of the mirror and shout into ur microphone "We are trash, We are trash, We are trash" and pray nobody answers your call !

[crazyh0rse]

both xbox 1 and ps4 consoles of diablo3 have 60 fps drop issues if you want pure 60fps get it on pc

[schnodder]

"... we want 900p with solid 60 fps back."

nuff said

[Tedakin]

The internet deems 1080p more important than everything else. Framerate, gameplay, everything. The greatest game ever made could come out and the first question would be how many Ps it has.

[pornflakes]

Xbox 900p = too bad

xbox framedrops by 6 FPS = too bad

PS4 exclusive The Order with unlocked 30 FPS and 900p is the way to go :D

[OsirisBlack]

When did the Order become 900p? Misinformation is the same as lying.

[cbuc1125]

I thought these guys played "games, not resolutions"? The ultimate spin doctors.