Sony sued over Killzone: Shadow Fall's graphics

The lawsuit alleges that "'temporal reprojection' is not the 'native 1080p' that Sony promised" and that Sony has not updated its packaging and marketing to reflect the game's actual resolution. Class allegations in the suit include negligent misrepresentation, false advertisement, unfair competition and fraud in the inducement. The amount sought in the suit exceeds $5,000,000.

[user7402931]

Damn that sucks.

[famoussasjohn]

What sucks is being misled. Granted $5 million is rather excessive. I would just ask for my $60 back. Same would be for BF4 for being a complete mess.

[kneon]

The problem is even if you were to win you wouldn't get your $60 back. After the lawyers take their cut you'll be lucky to have enough left over to buy lunch.

Class action lawsuits are almost always pointless, the only winners are the lawyers.

[donthate]

There should be a ceiling on lawyer compensation as a percentage of the final settlement or payout.

That guarantees they will handle in the best interest of the client instead of some arbitrary number based on "how many hours or work was spent reported by me, the greedy lawyer".

That said, this will make Sony think twice about deceptive marketing. Don't say 1080p native, when you mean 1080p jagged experience (aka temporal reprojection)!

[Aceman18]

all i can say is wow lol. he won't see a dime of this money.

[ShinMaster]

"I fail to see how this is any different than Xbox 360 game boxes displaying that games were 1080p when they were in fact 720p upscaled to 1080p."

[Detoxx]

BF4 is not a mess for me. It's like every other Battlefield game, ever. I love it.

[Utalkin2me]

@Detoxx

Stevie Wonder is that you?

[kreate]

Glad they're getting sued. Win or lose.

This will show the industry not to do such things. Or at least be more clear.

[DevilOgreFish]

ShinMaster -
"I fail to see how this is any different than Xbox 360 game boxes displaying that games were 1080p when they were in fact 720p upscaled to 1080p."

you mean at the back of the box? no game says "native" at the back of box unless it's part of the game's description of merits.

"In Beautiful 1080p Graphics!"

The back of every box is the support section. supports - "480i, 480p, 720p, 1080i ,1080p".

[Sevir]

LOL WOW! but The game DOES run Native 1080p on SINGLE PLAYER. and Temporal reprojection is employed on Multiplayer to achieve 60fps... I cant believe that this is actually happening.

How and as far as the Box says for shadowfall... it says HD Video output 1080p... whether the console upscales it to that resolution or the TV does. NO WHERE ON THE BOX does the GAME EXPLICITY claims NATIVE!

and BF4 on PS4 doesn't list the native resolution but the box does say the very same thing for KILLZONE SHADOWFALL... my head hurts over this!

[purp13m0nk3y]

Considering KZ MP is heaps of fun, plays brilliantly, has virtually zero bugs and looks gorgeous (irrespective of the 1080p argument) this is kind of sad.

Especially considering BF4 has been a complete mess and basically unplayable for much of it's release. Where do I sign to sue EA for that abomination?

As for KZ SF being native 1080p. Well I had thought that debacle had been settled months ago! I can't believe people are still arguing that it's not 1080p native. Just because the average gamer doesn't understand how the render pipeline for this game works, doesn't mean it's not 1080p native. It just means they are misinformed and/or ignorant.

This law suit will never see the courtroom. Anyone with at least some common sense and the ability to understand the tech behind the "temporal projection" technique will understand the stupidity of this suit.

[Boody-Bandit]

Frivolous lawsuit and they wont see a cent of it.

It does not state on the box anywhere that it is "Native 1080p". Instead it's written "1080p video output". In the fine print it's written "Video Output in Full HD 1080p requires a "Native 1080p Display" This is a play on words that won't hold up. Lawyers are such leeches.

Image of KZ retail box
http://cdn3.vox-cdn.com/ent...

GG's lawyers will have a field day with this. Output vs Full HD vs Native will be a battle lost for these losers bringing forth this nonsensical lawsuit against GG. They have to prove intent to deceive. Not going to happen.

[Gorilla_Killa_X]

I guess we have some lawyers up in here. Hahaha.

[sinspirit]

@DevilOgreFish

"1080p" means native. If a game is 720p then the game is 720p, no matter if the console upscales it to a higher resolution, the actual content is at that resolution. What the console supports is different form what the game actually features.

KillZone: ShadowFall itself produces a native 1080p image. So, I would consider it native 1080p no matter what trick they used to get it to that native resolution.

[callahan09]

@sinspirit: "KillZone: ShadowFall itself produces a native 1080p image. So, I would consider it native 1080p no matter what trick they used to get it to that native resolution."

This is right. It's 1080p, and natively so. The actual image produced by the renderer is a native 1080p image. They employed some rendering tricks to get to that, but that doesn't make it any less so. It isn't rendered at 720p, or 900p, or any other resolution, then upscaled to 1080p. It is actually rendered at 1080p natively, which they accomplished by using temporal reprojection. And besides, the single player experienced was 1080p native WITHOUT temporal reprojection to assist the rendering process. So what's the problem here? This game was absolutely stunningly gorgeous, as well, so the complaints are just stupid.

[Guitardr85]

@youaresalty

I've heard this argument a lot about careers that other people think "make too much". If there was a cap on how much you make, then why choose that career in the first place?

[ChronoJoe]

What about all of the Halo and Call of Duty games that come packaged with 720p or 1080p on the box?

What about Wipeout HD which is advertised as 1080p but actually dynamically switches between 720 and 1080p?

This is an interesting case, I'm fairly confident he won't be successful, but if he were it would set an interesting president leaving Microsoft and Activision with the most to lose.

[Pain]

Pretty sad that people will try and sue a company over a games graphics.. Nothing better to do with your lives?

hears a hint play games get a life and try your hardest to find a wife and have a family and learn what life really is and not be daft loser fanboy suing a company over graphics oh sorry false advertising waaa waaa.. waaa.. shoot your self.

[warczar]

@kneon

A class action lawsuit is about the only way you can sue a corporation. The "law" grants them all kinds protections, that's why they could give a fuck less about false advertising.

[badz149]

OMG this is happening?? Let me join in the fun while we are at it but suing KZSF is kinda pointless as only the dumbs would believe it's not 1080p. Instead, let's us all sue EA for BF4 (that's acronym for BrokenField 4 if any of you are wondering) and Bethesda for Wolfenstein TNO because that game is proven to use variable resolutions to achieve 60fps when it was advertised as native 1080p! I think we'll have a better chance with those.

How dare they deceive us, right?

[4Sh0w]

Listen let's cut the BS, Sony/GG were not upfront or totally transparent when it comes to KZSF's resolution BEFORE it launched but that doesn't amount to a lawsuit. Also I'm not defending sony but remember the singleplayer is native 1080p. At most I think the tiny minority upset over such a minor difference should have just returned the game to the store or asked sony directly for their money back. I mean are gamers that caught up in pixel counting that such a trivial difference makes the game itself any less enjoyable? imo KZ SF wasn't that good but it sure as hell had ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO WITH RESOLUTION. The game graphically looked amazing, really nothing visually to complain about.

This lawsuit is BS plain and simple.

[CuddlyREDRUM]

@kneon... The lawsuit against EA from a couple years ago told me otherwise. All I did was fill out a form and got about fifty bucks.

When companies lie and get away with it stuff like this will happen again.

[Dee_91]

Why the hell do you all believe this lawsuit will go through? If this doesn't get thrown out immediately, which is very likely to happen, you bet your ass Sony will fight to the point the guy suing goes broke or his lawyers back out.

[gootimes]

@YouAreSalty

Deceptive marketing? How is 1080p native single player and 1080p temporal deceptive?

That is why they didn't put native on the box! Because only the single player is standard native 1080p.

Microsoft claimed their games were 1080p, but they are up scaled! They don't get sued? Micro gets too many free passes, Killzone isn't even up scaled, the pixels are all there.

[BallsEye]

What sucks is that suddenly by reading comments I see all the fanboys changing their tune and saying 1080p does not influence the experience and does not matter at all. If there's any XO game running 1 pixel below 1080p sh!t storm begins.

[Giul_Xainx]

Whoever wanted to sue over this had to be a fanboy.

But seriously class action lawsuits are mostly a waste of everyone's time. The only winners in this scenario are the lawyers.

[ShinMaster]

@ DevilOgreFish

It's still misleading. The back of PS3 game boxes said the actual resolution (720p or 1080i).

[Silver360]

For everybody that doesn't understand. This guy is not suing for 5 million by himself. Class action means that everyone that brought the game can be a part of the suit and get some small portion of money. Even if he does when he will no get that money by himself, it will be held for others to share.

[iamnsuperman]

Still a large amount of money. It seems more of a ploy to get a settlement than to win out right.

[Muzikguy]

I doubt we will see anything, the lawyers will get the money. Personally I'm getting tired of the deception companies are trying to pull lately.

[Magicite]

Nowadays You can get sued for almost anything and the more money You have the more You can loose.

[JeffGUNZ]

To me, this is more of a march of awareness of the false advertising. It's good they are getting sued. I doubt they will have to pay much or anything as the single player runs in native 1080 I believe? Yet, it brings the issue to light that gamers don't want to be lied to. Saying it was not native 1080 on MP would have probably changed zero minds on whether or not they would have bought it.

[CuddlyREDRUM]

If you purposefully lie to sell a product, yes you will get sued. Sony also tried something with Watch Dogs before it came out...

http://www.gamespot.com/art...

Then a day later they found out it was false advertising and lying, having to retract it.

http://www.thesixthaxis.com...

[joab777]

Would u really ask for ur money back? Yeah, I don't like being lied to, but c'mon, it didn't effect my experience 1 bit.

[rezzah]

While that may be true for some or most, this case brings to light the intentions of Sony to the public. It puts Sony under a shadow and makes them lose trust, something they've recently been successfully building.

Also it with likely force them to be truthful about other future games resolutions, that is if they want to regain public trust (not overall, just primarily in the resolution department).

[joab777]

After reading what is really going on, this is parsing words. Many games use many techniques that are not 1080 but are considered native.

It's actually a testament to the technique that it performs so well and allows resourced to b used elsewhere. We can nitpick but the other alternative, since so many tricks r used in making games, is to never say native or not but to give a paragraph long description of stuff most ppl won't understand anyway.

[DoomeDx]

Guerilla's answer so this entire situation:

http://killzone.com/en_GB/b...

Technically, they have a point

[Ju]

In that regard no game is native 1080p. The rendering pipeline consist of various buffers at various resolutions which are combined to render into a backbuffer. "Native" usually refers to that backbuffer being 1080p native. But how you combine those buffers often does use a 1:1 ratio. Filters are applied to textures before hand, shadowmaps are scaled, etc. This is nitpicking and ridiculous, seriously. But w/e. Some people just have creative business ideas...and here it sure isn"t Guerilla having that idea - even though I give them the props up for creativity coming up with the temporal scaling. Has never been done before. I guess what that guy really is suing about is the motion blur...which actually got toned down in a patch.

[CuddlyREDRUM]

1080p has always been 1080 pixels running vertically, natively.

Temporal reprojection means it is not native 1080p. This means that they lied about it.

Technically, they lied about it.

[wsoutlaw87]

This is so idiotic. Not only was no one deceived and the single player was in 1080 as the devs stated but it wasnt a main advertising point by sony. Hes stupid if he thinks he can prove in court that everyone should get their money back because of a technique they used that no one even noticed or cared about. It wasnt a main part of the game and the case doesnt say anything. Some idiot is just trying to make headlines and polygon is actually writing about it.

[Kavorklestein]

It's killzone. Everyone should be begging for their money back... lol I'm kidding BTW but I do think if this goes through, that 5,000,000 is a bit extreme

[Exari]

polygon finding something bad to say about sony. im not surprised

[Gh05t]

I hate polygon as much as the next person but for them not to run a story like this would be irresponsible as a news outlet. Bash them for all the other news they overlook but not for what they do report unless its reported with bias.

[Blaze929]

sad part about this lawsuit is Sony will likely have to settle. Based off a simple technicality - that's all you need in the court of law in MERICA.

http://blog.eu.playstation....

"Then there’s the competitive multiplayer mode which, like the game’s campaign, runs at native 1080p and 60 fps."

the fact that to this day, Sony hasn't changed that seems funny. And that's all the lawers will need to point to as well as DF's article to win - a technicality.

[rdgneoz3]

"And that's all the lawers will need to point to as well as DF's article to win - a technicality."

Yet the back of the box does not say native 1080p... Articles are wrong every day, and not every one goes back an corrects it's mistakes. And that article was not written by a member of the GG team.

From BurtallyHonest's post:

http://cdn3.vox-cdn.com/ent...

Notice "1080p HD video output"? Doesn't say native. That one word left out will win them the lawsuit.

[extermin8or]

They won't have to settle because native means the frame isn't upscale and Killzone frames aren't upscale. They simply are using an algorithm to generate pixels based on where that pixel was in the previous 2 frames and it's motion. It requires less of the hardwares power todo this than to regenerate all the pixels every frame. Despite this the image outputted isn't stretched andni a 1080p display will be 1080p and wont require any upscaling.

[ziggurcat]

Like all of the other frivolous lawsuits filed against Sony in the last 4 years, this one will also fall flat on its face.

The last I read about this idiotic suit, the complainants were saying that killzone was 720p... Which it is most certainly not. That alone would be enough to throw the suit out of the window.

[Ju]

It still IS native 1080. It carries all the information of a 1080 frame each frame. How this is done is something for engineers to define. But from a pure visual standpoint, you get the full information of a 1080p frame - each frame. Now if some of those pixels are actually 16ms late is irrelevant in that respect. He didn't sue for "half of my pixels are late"...and I am sure he wouldn't (nor would any judge) understand what that means.

[kenshiro100]

Settle for what? These people have no case.

[CuddlyREDRUM]

The game doesn't run at 1080p, that is more than a technicality.

[gootimes]

^
The game absolutely runs at 1080p, that is a fact.

Single player 1080p NATIVE, mp 1080p temporal.

- doesn't claim "native" 1080p on game jacket.

- "game experience may change online"

Just because there was a slip up on the website doesn't mean the game jacket advertised it as such. People mess up on blogs all the time. Look at Aaron Greenberg saying all Xbox One games are 1080p. Should MS be sued?

[avengers1978]

Well here's a waste of people's money... They are never going to win this lawsuit... KZSF runs 1080p in single player, and the MP runs 60 fps. It's a good game, looks great, and plays great. Once they put a copy in a PS4 and show the judge the game he/she is going to say sorry case closed.

[Death]

"Temporal reprojection" is upscaling. The problem here and the confusion is from people's perception of upscaling. Early upscalers simply stretched the image to fit the screen. The upscalers we have today are filling pixels exactly how GG explains their technique. Why Sony feels the need to rename upscaling is beyond me. It is very deceptive and not necessary. The only ones that care about native vs upscaled graphics are the Playstation fans that have been told it makes a difference.

[rdgneoz3]

"The only ones that care about native vs upscaled graphics are the Playstation fans that have been told it makes a difference."

I guess you missed all the PS360 DF / graphics / AA comparison articles last gen. The ones with the 360 bragging for the first half of the gen when not many knew how to work with the cell and the 360 was easier to work with.

Now the shoe is on the other foot and suddenly graphics do not matter. Especially when at launch (and for several months after) you pay $100 more for lesser graphics.

[extermin8or]

@death no temporal reprojection isn't upscaling the difference is an upscale frame/image is generated in a lower resolution THEN stretched. If you are using temporal reprejection the frame is only ever generated in 1080p the adding of pixels is done prior to this and is based on past frames. Whereas in other upscaling the frame is upscale by adding in pixels post generation. So if say there's a pixel of value 2 and a pixel next to one another generally a pixel value of 3 being added Inbetween the two will be given a value somewhere between the two. (really crude example. Plus the box and posters etc never said 1080p native they justify 1080p. Let's be honest this guy suing is some sad act xbox fancy who likely doesn't even own a ps4 let alone Killzone.y the

[Death]

When Sony kept downplaying the Xbox 360 saying it wasn't "TrueHD", they brought it on themselves. "HD starts when we say it starts" ring a bell? You didn't see Microsoft or it's fans claiming the 360 was going to dominate, it was the other side. When the PS3 released and didn't live up to expectations what did you think would happen? Yes, people did point and laugh when the "super computer" turned out to be a game console after all.

[ziggurcat]

@death:

No, it's not upscaling. You've completely missed the mark on what temporal projection does, not do you really get what upscaling means. Upscaling is taking a smaller image, and artificially enlarging it while temporal projection is very similar to an interlaced resolution in that it very quickly alternates between even/odd lines of pixels. It's still a full 1920 x 1080 image being displayed, it's not taking 960 x 1080, and stretching it to fit 1920 x 1080.

[nitus10]

@Death

I think it is best for people who are interested in "Temporal reprojection" to go to the Killzone web site, which is: https://www.killzone.com/en...

Personally I think this litigation is stupid but you can never tell when the lawyers on both sides bring out their arguments in "legalese" (only understood by the law profession not Professional Engineers). Nobody wins except the lawyers.

[lelo]

Contrary to moron fanboy belief, every company lies to sell a few more copies of their games... Sony, Microsoft or Nintendo.

[legionsoup]

Why is someone suing Sony for Killzone, but no one sued Sega for Aliens Colonial Marines?

[Blaze929]

if you read, you'd see that the ones behind the suit are also the ones behind the Aliens litigation.

[Spenok]

My god people are retarded. Are you kidding me? People are some damn entitled little brats to think they deserve ANY money after something like this.

This is ridiculous and it's stories like this that makes me sad to call myself a gamer.

[fonger08]

Wow, if the plaintiff is really just trying to make a name for his/her self, there are plenty of other non-wasting time/tax payer money to go about this.. got love of our American judicial system... sigh.

[wsoutlaw87]

tax payer money? Im sure both sides would pay a good share of court fees. But, it will never get that far.

[DVS-Zev]

This is so hilariously sad.The army of lawyers on Sony's legal retainer will annihilate this desperate cash grab attempt.

[Yahdaree]

I hope so DVS. Besides shouldn't we be getting money from BF4 first for a game that honestly did not even work.

[JeffGUNZ]

The law firm would not take the case if they didn't think they had any grounds to proceed. Obviously this law firm believes Sony committed the list of offenses to file the claim.

[Majin-vegeta]

Wait the guy wants $5,000,000??Lol he wont get squat.

The guy maybe could have had a case when the game released but almost a year later and he barely brings it up.He has no chance.

I hope Sony sues this clown in return for the amount he wants.For making them waste their time.

[mydyingparadiselost]

This is a class action lawsuit, the money would be dispersed to anyone affected by the lawsuit i.e. anyone who bought the game. As of March the game had sold 2.1 million copies and was the best selling PS4 game.
Let's say the sales now stand at 3 million and the lawyers get a 20% cut. That leaves 4 million dollars left for the participants in the lawsuit. That's like a $1.25 that the people who bought the game would receive in compensation for being falsely advertised to. The reason the number is 5 million is because it's a paltry sum to give when the amount of sales is so substantial.
At the same time some people will be left out of the lawsuit, others will decide to simply take themselves out of the lawsuit and other such things, so the amount of people getting money would probably be more like 1 1/2 million. Also even if the lawsuit is won it won't be for 5 million, Sonys lawyers are better than that, but the amount would still be pocket change to anyone that would be paid out from this.

[Majin-vegeta]

But if the guy has played online.He has no case.
http://techcrunch.com/2011/...

[mydyingparadiselost]

I could make a contract stating that if you use my services you can't sue me but it wouldn't be held up in a court of law. It's up to the lawyers making their cases and, ultimately, the judge to decide whether such an agreement will hold up in court or whether it has bearing on this case. Just because a company says it doesn't make it legal, it just gives them something to point at and say "See, we said it, right there!"

[Dasteru]

A ToS isn't a key to the world. I could write a ToS saying, "look at me the wrong way and i can kill you" that doesn't make it legal. A ToS is simply a companies way of notifying users of their existing rights, not imparting new ones. The law still applies. If the court determines that Sony did commit false advertising, their ToS won't mean anything.

[Back-to-Back]

@Majin Proof that N4G kids don't understand what a class action lawsuit is.

[Software_Lover]

lol wut

[CloudRap]

LMFAO I think I should sue EA for BF4 then i will be a millionaire!

[MasterCornholio]

And I could sue Bethesda for releasing a broken MMO called Elder Scrolls Online.

Yey

:P

[Wizard_King]

And Bethesda could try and sue Notch for using the world "scrolls" in Minecraft. Oh wait they really did try that.

[4logpc]

The guy suing is technically right, but thats nothing to sue a company over.

[Volkama]

I wonder if the devs will stick to the "it isn't upscaling, it's scaling up!" line of defence they put forward when the story first broke? :-)

[MRMagoo123]

Who cares , if the guy wins there are hundreds of games that people will sue about next, any game made by bethesda for a start then games like titanfall, and also any game ever released on the 360 because the games got upscaled.

Who sues for something this stupid anyway, I am sure it will be thrown out of court fast enough tho.

[JeffGUNZ]

@ MrMagoo123

Welcome to America; where everyone looks for any way to make a living other then working.

And yes, born and raised in America.

People will sue for anything.

[shadowsmoke36]

Explain to me why he is right isn't single player full hd? The packaging says nothing of multiplayer which the judge will slap into his face not once but twice. Multiplayer is slightly different and If you ask me I am willing to bet the dude is trying to hurt Sony because Microsoft is losing so badly.If he wants to sue try suing both as both has told more then their fair share of lies before and after release but he won't do that because then he can't be called a fan boy now can he. Where was this clown at release? only after he beat the game he wants to say something? these types of cases need to have severe penalties for bringing up lawsuits without.

[BG11579]

Imagine that people start suing companies because frame-rate isn't locked at 30 fps and plunges under it.

[Bonkerz]

I know a lot of you are Sony fans and that's fine, but this was a case of legitimate false advertising.

@responders... You guys seem to think that i care if this guy wins or not. I am simply pointing out that this is a legit case of false advertisement. If you truly think it is not you need to go look up the definition and then come place it into what is happening here. Sony came out about a game point out that it is running 1080P while in fact it is not running in that resolution online. They knew it wasnt obviously so yes, they are using a lie to the consumers to be put into a better position. How is that not false advertising? Please explain to me, i will wait.

[HeWhoWalks]

I'd say point it out - but you seem to be, how do I put it, out of.....bah. I'll be nice. :)

OT: Won't fly, but people will try anything these days. Time to read the EULA, good sir.

Edit: You can wait on an explanation, but you won't be able to respond. Thus, it will be useless to reply. :P

[AndrewLB]

EULA agreements have been proven many times in court as not being valid contracts due to their forced nature because you're faced with it AFTER the purchase is made. Anyone who has taken even a very basic class in contract law would understand that such contracts do not provide ample "consideration" which is a primary requirement in a contracts validity. This same principal also applies to things like pay parking lots where on the back of the ticket, they claim that the lot is not responsible for your vehicle. The sole purpose of this is to try and reduce lawsuits by "fooling" people into the idea that it's a valid legal agreement. It's not.

I need to look at the merits of this case, but at first glance... the plaintiff does seem to have a valid case since it's quite clear that Sony advertised the game prior to release as being 1080p/60 for campaign and 1080p for multiplayer. Nothing was ever mentioned about it being 960x1080, using a frame switching technology to fake real 1080p.

Btw... you guys all seem to forget that the P on 1080p means "progressive", and regardless of any of your arguments about resolution... the technology sony used to make it 1080 is far from being progressive.

[KwietStorm_BLM]

A $5,000,000 suit over this? This has nothing to do with being a fan of ______. You would have to be a purebred asshat to either file this claim or support it in any way. This makes all of us looks stupid.

[donthate]

So being lied to and calling it out is being "stupid"?

I think you are mistaken!

Also:

"The Only Thing Necessary for the Triumph of Evil is that Good Men Do Nothing"

[iceman06]

Exactly!
@YouAreSalty....umm...yeah... this is FAR from "EVIL"! Advertising in its essence is deceptive. It attempts to create a sense of value in a product by trying to set itself apart from the rest. At most, the guy should get his money back and Sony should be told to put some small print, like in smartphone and car ads, explaining temporal projection. At the very least, the case gets dismissed and the plaintiff is admonished for wasting the courts time over a $60 purchase.

[Meep]

@KwietStorm

Not at all. Just because they are suing for $5,000,000 doesn't mean they will get that much if they win.

To my eyes the people behind the lawsuit are doing good work. These are the same people that are suing Gearbox for their false advertising. Big video game companies need to be knocked down a peg, and be shown that false advertising is not acceptable. How many times will we have to see bullshots of a game?

[wsoutlaw87]

I thought i remembered them saying the resolution would be different online than in sp. Either way, all it says is displays in 1080 which it does.

[shadowsmoke36]

Dude read the back of the case it tells people online may be different now does it not. Also i see you have no clue about how resolution works.

[extermin8or]

You realise there is a disclaimer that states that "game experience may differ during online play" on EVERY game. Songs actual advertising never said if they were referring to singleplayer or multiplayer.

[gootimes]

You should be even more pissed at MS with putting 1080p on 360 games cases even though theyr were up scaled and with Aaron Greenberg saying all Xbox one games will be 1080p, google it.

Killzone is not even as bad as that, MS actually lied! GG told the truth, even though the MP isn't native it still has all the pixels, thus 1080p even though not native, that is why the case doesn't say native, but it is still 1080p. And it says game experience may change online! Single player is native 1080p.

I love how you all call for Sony's head on this matter, but MS can do no wrong.

[SteamPowered]

How can you possibly justify $5 mil in personal hardship or damages from a fricken video game? I hope Sony eats this clown up.

[HeWhoWalks]

Oh they will. It's the wishful thinkers that jump on the bandwagon that expect some kind of "restitution" for this guy.

It's just a lack of understanding to how these things work.

[JRobes]

its not personal hardship or damages, its being sold something that wasn't the "thing" you thought it was. Being misguided by the advertising. I would've thought all the sony fanboys would be up in arms since all they seem to care about is resolution.

[shadowsmoke36]

So by your logic Microsoft should be sued as well for selling something that was not what they themselves said would be 5 times more powerful with the cloud or do you remember that?

[UnHoly_One]

It's a class action lawsuit. Look it up if you don't know what that means.

5 million is too low, in my opinion.

[nope111]

So stupid.

[KwietStorm_BLM]

LOL I can't stand this planet

[VanguardOfCalamity]

I'll save you a seat on the space ship XD

https://www.youtube.com/wat...

[iamnsuperman]

I am no expert but doesnt false advertising result in a small fine and a slap on the wrist (along with various retractions....). 5 million in compensation? You know what I will give you your $60 back if your so damaged by it

[Transporter47]

Hell, i'm going to get a lawyer and sue every single gaming company for making an incomplete product that they sell to us separately called "DLC"

[Codewow]

You'd have less chance than this guy... Unless they say that x is going to be in the game and don't supply x at the beginning, then you can sue.

[mkis007]

I doubt this will ever see a penny. All they have to do is say that they never said which part of the game was in native 1080p. part of the game is... done.

[Torgul]

A refund should have been ok;)

[gangsta_red]

Lol, wow...I tell ya, you can sue over everything these days.

[OpenGL]

Why don't they sue the developers and publishers of most PS3/360 games that list 1080p?

They're only telling you what output resolution the game supports, they're not making any representations about the native resolutions or the components that go into displaying the final image on your TV.

[Volkama]

Because Sony were specific in saying the native res was 1080p (even after being called out on it).

Still, this lawsuit is all about seeking attention.

[Psygnosis333]

Single player is nativ 1080p so they didnt laying..

[Funantic1]

Sony will settle for $1-2 million. Liars

[bunfighterii]

Wow I can't believe this. Who would sue for this?

[ginsunuva]

Poor people who think it makes them free money.

[Freeball]

'MURICA! Way to waste taxpayer money

[SteamPowered]

Technically it wouldnt be tax money per se. These cases would involve The Plaintiff (the suer) and the Defendant (Sony). Federal Cases are another matter...

[snarls200]

but unless i am wrong the judge is paid by the government

[brotherlymoses]

Greatness awaits in 1080p*

*...Uhh we lied

[Master-H]

Except the single player was actually traditional 1080p.

[PFFT]

Most games are, which is kinda more than i can say about the other console. I never bought the whole,"we dont force developers to release games in 1080P" that would only be because the console cant really pump 1080P without any sacrifices.

[Goro]

If he sued them for his $60 back then maybe...but $5,000,000.00? This guy is insane!

[Macdaddy71]

First this is funny!!!
Why so many flaming this man??? It's for us all,.. Sony n MS tells us lies all the time to sucker us into buying games n consoles, this can only help us!!!! If it's true..Good for whoever it is for being smarter then the rest of us, we just set back and bitch bout the lies, he doing something bout it...

[PrinterMan]

You're kidding right? Good for us all for such a nit picky thjng. This is one group of lawyers trying the get rich quick theme as they have done so before. This is not standing up for civil rights or anything. Sheesh grab a clue!

[Dontworrybhappy]

Haha I can't tell a difference between 720 and 1080 really. I thought the game had beautiful graphics. It was everything else about this game that sucked. Ryse and KZSF share basically the same things. XD

[DoomeDx]

You sure you have a 1080p TV? Mind you, if it says ''HD READY'' its 720.

[Dontworrybhappy]

True I still have my 5 year old TV lol. XD

[fanboysmackdown]

We as consumers of games we love are getting hornswoggled by certain developers....some more underhanded than others, hey Randy Pitchfork? Getting to be a very bad trend.

[funkybudda]

Lol, good luck with that lawsuit.

[imt558]

Sony now must have every game @1080p or he will be sued.

What a luck when people won't sue Sony if game is not locked @60fps and before that game is advertised like 60fps game. :)

People, sue Sony because TLOU : R has framedrops here and there.

[chaosx]

I guess if you create something like resolution gate to attack your competitor , you best be able to stand by all your claims.

At least Xbox won't be taken to court over false 1080p claims ;-P

[HeavenlySnipes]

The single player is 1080p so they are justified in putting 1080p on the box

Whoever is suing is gonna waste money on this

[dafegamer]

desperate cash grab attempt, this guy must have some issues to file such a lawsuit
edit: He might even win, you never know when it comes to lawsuits in the U.S
edit2: This guy is a douchebag, he has a histoiry of filing lawsuit for the strangest reasons

https://www.docketalarm.com...

http://www.plainsite.org/do...

he is just there for the lawsuit money

[Muzikguy]

These lawsuits are pointless. Everyone everywhere is lying about their products. Games, food, cars, phone companies.... I'd like to see it stop someday. I've just learned to ask a lot of questions. Game still "looks" great that's really all I care about. Although it should have been native

[Rimeskeem]

If this guy wins im going to be upset as hell

[PrinterMan]

What a load of crap. This guy should be sued for wasting everyones time. As well as the lawyers, they should be embarrassed for letting it go this far.

[MultiConsoleGamer]

Read the whole complaint. They actually have a pretty strong case.

Sony will settle out of court.

[kenshiro100]

A strong case? Uh...no he doesn't. Going by his logic, he'll have to sue every other company that way.

Sony's lawyers are gonna have a field day.

[kaileb]

Can i sue Peter Molyneux??

[feraldrgn]

If this goes through, I guess MS can get sued for every 1080p label they have on their boxes.
Or "better with Kinect" they had in their advertisements.

This is silly.

[daclynk]

Now people can stop bitching about FPS and Resolution after this. Company need to stop lying. Same goes for you EA.
Only Graphics Whore will care. Where are the days we played for fun.

[Jihaad_cpt]

Accept the Single player game is 1080p

[young7yang]

What are these people smoking!

[SynestheticRoar]

That new crack.

[Flames76]

About damn time sony gets sued for the BS they lie about

[Moe-Gunz]

Sony's lawyers is going to knock this guy's case out like Tyson in his prime.

[oxybulle]

1 word. Ridiculous.

[modesign]

either the guy sueing sony is already wealthy, or he found really stupid lawyers,

[jcnba28]

This is what happens when you false advertise.

[tommygunzII]

If you're one of those wondering why we have so many HD remakes and indies, here's your answer in it's most extreme form.

[Ninjatogo]

Absolutely ridiculous! The game output is 1080p as stated by the box. Single player is a native 1080p and multiplayer is still 1080p but just a generated 1080p image based on their temporal reprojection method. It's not like you can actually see any missing horizontal lines, as the engine fills them in.

[purp13m0nk3y]

This! MP is still native 1080p. I don't understand why people can't get their head around this.

Just because one part of the render pipeline uses a lower resolution frame buffer does not mean the final render is not 1080p.

I guess people just believe what they want to.

[rainslacker]

Which is why this case will probably never make it to court. Sony never made a big deal about the resolution. The output resolution is 1080p in both SP and MP, just the MP isn't what would be considered "Full HD", which Sony never said it was. It just achieves it's 1080 in MP in sub-Full-HD ways.

[UnHoly_One]

The people that are still saying it's 1080p are hilarious.

It's 1080i, only vertically instead of horizontally.

It is not 1080p by any stretch of your fanboy imaginations.

I hope Sony loses this, but I doubt they will.

[purp13m0nk3y]

No that is totally incorrect. You clearly have not read any information on the "temporal projection" technique.

They only use an interlaced frame buffer for one specific part of the render pipeline. The final render (the one that gets sent to your TV/display) is a native 1080p image.

[UnHoly_One]

Keep dreaming.

[rainslacker]

1080i has nothing to do with what is happening with the frame being drawn.

Interlaced indicates that it is only drawing half the image at a time, and the speed of the frame makes it appear as one frame.

In this case, a frame buffer is interlaced in order to speed up the rendering and actually keep the image at 1080p on output by reducing the amount of information that needs to be calculated each frame. Basically it's a form of tweening where a pixels position is determined based on past frame data.

So hate to tell you, but the frame is still native 1080p when rendered, just not the entire frame is held in the frame buffer at 1080p.

[NeoGamer232]

I guess some people have nothing better to do with their lives.

Personally, I just enjoy games... 720p, 1080p... Don't care so much...

Gameplay, story, sound, environment feel, control mechanics... Now those are things I care about...

Graphics are pretty much at the bottom of my list... I would rather play a game like Minecraft (8-bit graphics) then a game like Rogue Warrior (Good graphics).

[mokkeyrg2]

lol shame shouldnt bare face lie to your fans.

[Whirlwind_Fanfare_08]

That's so damn dumb!

@stripe814
I feel the same way! been drinking diet sodas for years, still haven't lost a pound!

[smashcrashbash]

What is it with people always trying to sue Sony? I mean all game developers and companies have been caught over hyping, exaggerating and false promising including the king of lies Microsoft and I don't see as many attempts to sue them.What, since Sony is alittle weaker they once were do peopke find it a good idea to kick them in the balls with every stupid reason any chance you get?

[_FantasmA_]

An angry Xboxer strikes again!

[toddybad]

A new low by the kind of resolution obsessed gamers we could do without.

[Many-hat5]

The bigger loss here would be to Sony's reputation,not a financial one. I'm not going to argue whether it's native 1080p or not, I really don't have that information. If the description is incorrect, then the action is justified, because it's not JUST the facts, but also the intent that may be relevant.

[FayZ_]

this is too funny, well sony fooled a lot of fanboys, but their lies are comming back to them, killzone, watch dogs, bf hardline beta, poor psn security, oh well, charging to play online will help cover those costs LOL. people res aint everything, ryse won awards for best graphics at 900p. in my eyes 900p+ is fine.

[Azzanation]

Its good that someone is taking it up to the corps. They tried to lie to there customers and cover it up. Lets hope this doesn't happen again.

Seems like Titanfall uses more pixels then Killzones MP.

Titanfall 1408 x 792p

Killzone 980 x 1080i

[Clown_Syndr0me]

Lets say he did win, which he wont, what gives him the right to a payout? He wasn't the only one affected by it, everyone who owns the game should get paid.
What a fool.

[Hardcore_gamerxbox]

They lied to people they deserv to get sued over

[guyman]

Nothing but a poor hobo looking to strike it rich

[DarXyde]

Oh, poor guy. Clearly being cheated out of true 1080p is worth the 5 million dollars he's asking for. I hope he plans to share it though.

But seriously, I hope they bring 5 HDTVs into the courtoom with a game running at Killzone's 1080p, a game running at 900p, 1080p native, 980p, and 1024.45p and ask him if he can see the difference.

That would make for an interesting case.

[steve30x]

In all honesty Suing $5 million over a $60 game is properly retarded. In my opinion suing a developer over a game that somebody has a problem with is stupid. If it doesn't live up to what you hyped it up to be just trade in the game and play something else.

[Budobear]

So many people saying that the 'they' are right to bring the case because Sony lied about the whole 1080 thing.....but if its not something you can see with your eyes whilst playing (which it isn't) what the flying fudge does he have to complain about.
Yeah the Sega Marines game looked nowhere near its advertised image, so that kind of makes sense but to argue over something you'd never have know about if it wasn't for an internet article that uses special equpiment is a little bit pointless surely.

[trouble_bubble]

This is hilarious, especially as SP is native 1080p already and GG explained their MP 1080 temporal reprojection months ago http://killzone.com/en_GB/b... and at GDC.

At first I thought the plaintif was serious, like maybe he got sick from licking his screen too much cuz it looks so damn good. "Mmm, Vekta!" -slurp, runs to washroom at 60fps-

[Kiwi66]

Its funny how some people act like this effects them personally yet i bet if it was microsoft or nintendo being sued they would say they deserve it and they hope the guy wins.
Clearly the guy thinks he has grounds for the lawsuit but winning it will be difficult

[Lulz_Boat]

lol, it's only the multiplayer that isn't 1080p, LOL

but, technically, it's 1080p, it's just that half the pixel are filled per cycle.

[annus]

And a single pixel image being upscaled is 1080p because when that one image changes all of them do? That's not how the resolution works, and is why it is called 1080i, not 1080p.

[masterfox]

Well I don't know if they really tricked or lie about the 1080p, but one thing is for sure Killzone Shadowfall looks stunning on my full HD PC monitor clean crisp image, the MP looks ridiculous stunning at 60 fps, please take note that a monitor pixel count is higher than a normal LCD/TV so when something is below 1920x1080 or x1200 you can tell right away that those visuals aren't 1080p, but this isn't case for KZ SF it looks freaking stunning. So I really don't know whats going on here on this lawsuit.

[D-riders]

lame, whoever these guys are, your lame. your suing Sony for the game being upscaled?? this guy does know they can patch the game, or possbily every game resolution will be lowered to meet lower standards to avoid this. what an ahole

[DillyDilly]

This is heavy

[Picnic]

Who would get 5 million dollars if they won?

When you buy a product, if that product turned out not to have some of the features that you were promised, you just get a full refund of what you paid for the game.

Surely 'California resident Douglas Ladore' , whose life may well exist merely to suck oxygen away from the more deserving, has not suffered massive personal injury and distress from this 1080p 'castastrophe/disaster' ;.

I hope he finds something more meaningful to do in life like rearranging his face.

Should I now buy the game just so that I can sue for the same thing and claim not to realise that there's been any further news on the subject?

[Iffyrhyme]

I'm glad they're getting sued, as much as I love video games I'd prefer to know what I'm buying than to find out it never was what I was told.

[mmj]

Most Xbox 360 games say 1080P on the back of the case even though they're upscaled, Microsoft better hope this isn't successful.

[Artemidorus]

I'd force them to write on the box in small writing about it only being 1080p at moments. More proof of second rate gaming.

[Imalwaysright]

At this point false advertisment is a standard practice in this industry. One that devs and publishers always get away with it. Its a cancer that needs to die and die fast. These types of lawsuits should have started happening years ago. Hopefully this lawsuit will make every publisher and dev think twice before misleading consumers.

[swishersweets20031]

I think it's funny how many people didn't know it was 1080p until someone told them it wasn't 1080p.

[lemoncake]

Regardless of what was falsely advertised it was still false advertising, biggest surprise is that in this day and age it's taken this long for someone to sue them over it.

[muchomashombre]

Is no good...wastin taxpayer dinero. But el sony, they are good liars their fanboys did not know the diferrencia till mucho later. i cannot tellin difference on my black and white tube television. I hope el muchacho wins so sony no be liars anymore.

Viva Gamers!

[Mkai28]

In all seriousness, the game plays @1080p on single player.. 60fps on multiplayer, that's enough for it to be thrown out of court. But I will say this, if this thing some how passes in court what's going to stop others from doing the same thing? If every gamer was a "Douglas Ladore" the gaming industry would be dead.. Developers are going to start not saying nothing about what resolution and framerate these games play @ and I wouldn't blame them.

This is serious, we should hope and pray that this thing doesn't go anywhere in court. If it does, then "gamers" would be suing over the Xbox One version of Wolfenstein being below 1080p in some parts or LOU for hitting 45fps in one part for 2 seconds!

For those nuts that have the luxury for court anyway..
Welcome back..

[saber00005]

"The suit, filed by California resident Douglas Ladore in Northern District California court."

Must be a low life loser to sue for over 5 million dollars. Give me a break, cry me a river.

[IAM]

"What's done in the dark will come to the light" Sony knew better. No excuses. 5 mil is like losing a $100 to them. They will be fine. But this type of lack of intergrity isnt for the player.

On a second note, im losing interest in next gen quickly. And spending $300 a month in games is something I do often. They need to get it together

[Holeran]

Let me guess, this probably isn't his first class action lawsuit. He is probably waiting for the right verdict in one of his cases because unemployment or welfare or disability benefits are going to expire soon. Obamanation, plain and simple. Don't want to work for it yourself so try and take it from someone else.

[Harpers_Ferry]

Someone send me a link when this case airs on Judge Judy.

[GasTankKiller]

The only people that are going to come out ahead is the lawyers.

[Mkai28]

It's the end of gaming..

[KingKevo]

The lawsuit is maybe a bit over the top, but in general I'd agree. Nowadays most things a company says are not even questioned. So when it said 'native 1080p' pretty much everyone bought it. The thing is though that is was not 'really' native 1080p. And as a dev or a company you should know that you did a mistake when people start asking questions and you have to answer with a lot of explanations and 'but's'.

I hope devs will start being more honest, but in a time where resolution and framerate are such a hot topic and most people don't even question the number they are told I doubt devs and companies (in their ads or such) won't use such loop holes. Sad.

[PurpHerbison]

Lying about video games is not anything new.

[kingPoS]

How entitled does someone have to be to justify sueing over a games resolution. GG created a visual technique called temporal reprojection, i'd like to see this guy try better than that.

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