If Xbox One can’t outsell PS4 this holiday season, it probably never will

GameZone's Matt Liebl: "Now the Xbox One and PS4 lifecycle will span for years. I’m not usually one of those guys that fawn over year-one sales. It’s a marathon, not a sprint, they say. But for Microsoft, I strongly believe that this fall will mark the one time it has a clear advantage over Sony. And if the Xbox One can’t outsell the PS4 this holiday season, it likely never will."

[user7402931]

Its because playstation 4 is generally accepted as the better product.

[brbobcat]

To Microsoft's credit, their monthly updates have been leaps better than Sony's. I own both consoles, but I think Sony has been slacking a little bit on the PS4 updates.

[bicfitness]

MS had a lot of features to simply play catch up on, or stuff that wasn't working like snap, game-streaming, etc.. They don't get credit for simply making their UI better. Its quite funny that system software updates have become the new goal-post for die hard MS fans (not you, necessarily).

More to the point of the article, the X1 won't outsell the PS4 this holiday. Not a chance. Mind-share has already been won, and the X1 is simply seen as an inferior, or second-rate purchase.

[XiNarutoUzumaki]

Oh yeah, Imma buy an Xbox One because of ''Monthly Updates''. yay

- Said no one ever

[SuperBlunt]

Big time they are slacking behind but games > updates. Sony has literally had a game release every week

[GameSpawn]

@bicfitness

"Mind-share has already been won, and the X1 is simply seen as an inferior, or second-rate purchase."

No denying Sony has won over the mind share, but I think it has more to do with Microsoft's anti-consumerism than anything else. Microsoft flipped the bird to everyone and despite everything they have done to backtrack the fact that they did it in the first place has caused them to loose any and all consumer trust. This type of blunder is one that takes an EXTREMELY long time to rebound from because they have to start from the ground up to rebuild the trust they have broken.

[Chaoticmoon]

@bicfitness I am a PS4 guy all the way but trust me I have some friends on the 360 who OBSESS over anything Halo so the upcoming Halo MCC *may* bring a fairly large chunk of the 360 people over to Xbone because of OMG MOAR HALO

[hkgamer]

i still dont see how sony updates are bad or lacking.

isit just the fact that there is no mp3&dlna that they are saying this?

[Boody-Bandit]

Hey anyone know where I can find the reviews for these updates? I tried google but got nothing. If not, what's your opinions? Are they a must buy or should I rent them first? Any demos I can try out? /s

On topic:
MS will not out sell Sony this holiday season unless they offer a huge incentive (big discounted bundle or another significant price drop) and Sony doesn't match it.

[Alabamarolltide1990]

@bic I find It funny, how you sony fanboys are so damn obsessed with which console sells more. At least xbox fanboys are happy with getting updates, while you sony fanboys are part of this sales trend. It's actually pretty sad

[tekksin]

I'd hold my cards if I were Sony too :) It's nice to have something in your back pocket to be like, "Oh, you thought you were winning? THINK AGAIN."

[Sevir]

@Gamespawn, that's part of the mind share argument... Sony launched first, people saw it talked about it, but The XBO reveal totally got the people talking about what PS4 does right. The anti consumerism business plans and pr blunders from MS following the XBO reveal and E3 show brought up comparison with what the XBO did and what the PS4 won't do. And then of course price differences between the 2 all took up consumer mindshare... Sony played well and MS made it that much easier.

[kneon]

@bicfitness

The holidays are different though, parents, grandparents and other non-gaming types do a lot of the console buying at that time of year. And they are more swayed by price and are not aware of any other issues. So a price cut by Microsoft just in time for the holidays can help move more consoles.

[ThatOneRiggaNob]

LOL @bicfitness how did snap the feature not work? I've had the Xbox One since day 1 and the snap feature has worked perfectly. Also game streaming worked fine since the day it came out. If I recall Sony was the one who had to update their game streaming service not Microsoft. Another thing on top of that is Xbox has always been about software since the 360 so no it hasn't just became a goal-post for die hard MS fans lol it's been like that.

[N4GDgAPc]

@Alabamarolltide1990

I like how all you Xbox fanboys or someone that is a sony hater assume someone is a Sony fanboy because they say something bad about your console (and that is the same for sony and Nintendo fanboys. They like to assume).

Seems like a fanboy leads to someone saying your a fanboy when clearly 90% of the time someone that says it is a fanboy to, even if they don't know it.

I just think using your a fanboy is the worst argument ever and just makes u look stupid for saying it.

No were did @bic say anything that was fanboy. He didn't rampage about sales. Just said facts. Ps4 is out outselling Xbox one. So does that make me a sony fanboy for saying that?

Don't forget there were xbox fanboys that left to ps4 because how they were treated from Microsoft. Yes Microsoft has turned a 180 but they still have a long road to get there trust back.

With Ps3 release sony lost a lot of respect with there arrogance having people leave to go to xbox360. It was a long road for them to get there respect back. It pretty much almost took them at the end of ps3 life cycle to get it back. They learned from there mistakes and released a very successful ps4 lunch. Tables have turned around this generation. Now Microsoft is learning from there mistakes and trying to change to.

[badz149]

This is pure comedy gold on the xbox camp!

May 2013 - TV, TV, TV, Sports, Sports, TV, TV, water cooler, Call of Duty, Call of Duty...

E3 2013 - $499! NO Kinectless SKU as Kinect is an integrated part of the system.

April 2014 - Phil Spencer: It's all about the games!

May 2014 - $399 without Kinect! It's all about giving options!

July 2014 - BETTER UPDATES THAN SONY WOOHOO...!!

[Muzikguy]

@N4GD
Yes. And to think how MS expects to get everyone's respect back in less than a year! It took Sony a whole generation to do that. Not to mention the lack of respect the company as a whole already receives.

[zsquaresoff]

Didn't buy ps4 for the updates, bought it for the games which there are plenty of.

[nix]

kids aged 4 are pressing their parents to buy them a PS4. that's how popular it's become. do those kids know about the "anti consumerism" acts of MS? probably not.

[aceitman]

@brbocat see this is the crap I hate, sony did a lot of updates with the ps3 , but was hated for doing them so often( and the 360 got updates every 8 months or so ), but ms gets praised , now that sony does updates less often there being criticized for not doing them enough. smh at the 2 faced people. sony cant win with people most of the times. I say let sony do there thing and let them do it right. I don't care what anyone says sony is taking the right steps. and as far as adding 3d playback , sony said they are working on getting an update for it, ms didn't force them to come out with it , its not something that happens in a week or so , it has to be tested.

[RosweeSon]

I agree but only due to the fact Microsoft had a lot more of the basic stuff to get added in the first few months once they run out of ideas of their own the updates will slow right down, ie back to the usual 2/3 a year if your lucky, I'm talking major updates xbox 360 gets one in fall and one in early part of year obviously a few very minor updates but ps4 didn't need basics like hard drive storage being shown or how much charge was left on your controller so that's one update and yet Sony already had the basics does this make them poor at updates? No it means they thought there product through and stuck with it because it was good, Microsoft too much chopping and changing too scared to do it own thing like nintendo so they have to ask everything what they think about something like a debate then see which are the most popular things and add them, I mean this is good to down extent but man a good games console manufacturer should understand by now what we want in a console, I'm sorry but Microsoft were so far wide of the mark, yay achievements for watching telly.

[spoonard]

Is that because the Xbox One has had ALOT more room for improvement? The PS4 is basically the same as when it was released except for a few small improvements and it's STILL outselling the Xbox One despite all of the Xbox's s-called improvements, and not just by a little bit either.

[TotallyNotGlenn]

Well there's no point in releasing updates just for the sake of releasing updates. There's no race to see who can release the flashiest updates. I'd rather Sony take its time and release things right than rush and release something crappy. Plus Microsoft had a bunch of features and such to catch up on. The PS4 could use a few features, but it's been very clear that Sony is working on all of that.

[ChickeyCantor]

"Oh yeah, Imma buy an Xbox One because of ''Monthly Updates''. yay "

Love the ignorance. Updates means stability and new features for developers.

[UltraNova]

So from the cloud and Direct X powerups we move to software updates now?

Progress on xbox camp? I'll be darned!

OT: If the halo collection wont help the xb1 snatch at least a month from the ps4 its not the battle that will be lost for MS its the whole war...

[dedicatedtogamers]

"If Xbox One can’t outsell PS4 this holiday season, it probably never will"

This title sounds like one of those "Chalkboard quotes" like "Titanfall will save the X1" crossed off a chalkboard. This upcoming gen is decided. Microsoft already made that certain with their behavior last year. The fact that people are discussing how Microsoft might, maybe, somehow catch up in the US (not the world) is very telling.

[avidgamer1]

@bicfitness

That mindshare theory is absolutely spot on. I was a 360 player last gen. I also owned a ps3 but the system i gravitate to most often for multiplats was the 360.

Brought a titanfall bundle and within a week i returned it feeling like i brought an inferior console for multiplats. The one thing that didnt help either was the disappointment if titanfall for me. Went and got a PS4 weeks later and even though I have yet to play any games on it except for the other big disappointment of 2014, watchdogs. But just having the console sit there collecting dust until destiny comes out knowing i brought the technically superior system is enough for me to feel satisfied.

Mindshare is a powerful marketing tool.

[XiSasukeUchiha]

PS4 has an overall better impression on people.

[lifesanrpg]

Pretty amazing how hard it is for Microsoft to overcome that initial reaction to their first reveal

[Kingthrash360]

First impressions are most important ....and you only get 1.

-snickers commercial

(But true)

[vergilxx3]

wht are you not on the top ?

[RichardDawkins]

If you missed it, or want to see it again,

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Enjoy, ;)

[MysticStrummer]

@lifespan - The XB1 reveal, initial policies, and price didn't help but all the gamers I know in real life had already decided against XB1 before any of that even happened because of their experiences with 360's RRoD. I doubt they're the only ones thinking that way.

[MazzingerZ]

MSFT will kill core-features of XBLG on X360 to force people to "upgrade" blaming to some technical difficulties to keep both X1 and X360 services alive...just like Major Nelson said you can't just turn off DRM

The question is if those X360 will follow like sheeps or will stop and check the "other" option, games in pipeline, pros & cons, etc

[jmc8888]

It shouldn't be hard to understand for Microsoft. Business people have long known that it is almost impossible to change a bad first impression. This is literally 101 type stuff for beginners.

It happens to products all the time. I haven't seen a roll out this bad since New Coke.

What's mind blowing is that Microsoft KNEW this, because it's literally common sense, had all the info at their fingertips due to millions of negative posts on thousands of different forums worldwide, and thousands of speculative articles, and they still did it anyways. The writing was on the wall for this console before they ever announced it by months.

Think about it. Just about EVERYTHING about Xbox One was leaked, months in advance. We basically knew the whole fascist vision in January 2013, and what we didn't know we knew by Feb or March. All of this is before the reveal.

They literally could read all the objections, the reasons for, how vocal they were, and the fact they were making a huge negative impact. This info was smacking them in the face.

Some products fail because it's a bad vision. Or priced wrong. Or simply isn't what people want. Microsoft's vision was not only was bad it was downright fascist, and on top of that, they had the gift of everyone knowing and talking about it beforehand to get feedback so they could alter what they were doing before anything officially was done. Of course they also faced the wrong price, and people wanted games not TV, TV, TV.

Instead with all that knowledge, they didn't alter squat, and in fact kept denying that any of the fascist stuff was going to be a part of the console, when they clearly knew it was, it had been outed, and people were raging. On top of that the f you, you aren't smart enough attitude was really the icing on the cake.

Complete clusterf... at microsoft.

There will probably be some good moments, and the Xbox One can do stuff decently. It's just everything can be done better by someone who didn't piss you off for the same price. Even later on, Sony's bill of materials should shrink much faster then Microsoft's so I don't expect XB1 to ever be cheaper then the PS4, if anything Sony could be cheaper anytime it wanted to.

More powerful. Much bigger 1st party support. Not the ones who pissed you off.

It's still going to be a while before Xbox One has their first party offerings in full swing, and even then their 1st party studio count is dwarfed by Sony, whose suite of devs are already well into their first or SECOND offerings.

[reaperofsouls]

M$ are trying to sell their inferior product for the same price as a PS4 as if it is as good! Not only is inferior but they have shown thier true colours with last year E3 fiasco by trying to impliment alway online,DRM and forced kinect. Pity really as i used to like them during the early 360 era, but the flip side of the coin is i don't have to buy two product this generation

[SpinalRemains138]

Yes.

There are legions of gamers who will never forgive MS for those decisions, ever.

[optimus]

@Caprademon... Your logic is a bit one-sided. I don't think the whole "inferior product" is a legitimate excuse seeing as how nintendo managed to sell more wii's than sony or microsoft for a good couple of yrs at least, regardless of specs...they proved that it was all about the games in the end...i think sony and microsoft still have a lot of games to showcase the full potential of their hardware even after a year.

[ThanatosDMC]

@optimus

The Wii didnt come close to the PS3' s or the 360's specs and was priced lower. You missed his point. He wants inferior hardware to be priced properly.

[jnemesh]

Agreed, it's like they are selling us "Pink Slime" and calling it steak! Until they admit, publicly, that their console is less powerful, and price it appropriately, I can't see them overtaking Sony. When you have article after article RIPPING the Xbox 1s graphics after EVERY multiplatform release, the public starts to notice!

@optimus Nintendo differentiates themselves by their games. They have games that you cant play on any other platform. What does the Xbox 1 have that other consoles don't? Forza? Dead Rising? Halo? That's about it as far as "major" franchises available now or in the near future...and those games simply aren't good enough to pull in gamers. Nope, not even Halo...Halo 5 MIGHT, but not rehashes of old games (that most Halo fans, including myself, already own!)

[optimus]

@dmc... I get what he was trying to say but the wii price was a mere $50 difference and it didn't release it's key franchise games for a great while after release, not to mention it had no dvd and it's online play didn't come close to the others...they sold millions based on their games that appealed to EVERYone young and old...the way people talk about the x-1 now is like it wouldn't matter if it cost $200 they would STILL say it isn't worth it...

This article itself is already selling the x1 short when barely a year has gone by, and saying "....it probably never will." shows how short sided he is when developers really tap into the full potential of a console 4-5 yrs into it's lifecycle.

@mesh... Well of course nintendo differentiates itself with games, they all do (for the most part)...but look at them now with the wiiU, they went for the same approach to provide "innovation" and people aren't buying into it this time...at least not at the moment i should say. It still hasn't released it's best games so i wouldn't rule it out completely the way this article does with the x1...the article wanted hits, and it got it.

[hello12]

Lets be honest. Sony has come out with its big hitters first. Killzone and infamous arrived before any of big hitters from last gen for x box.

Still no Gears or Halo maybe even Fable. We only got Forza so far.

I still thing Microsoft will close the gap eventually. Sony may still lead in 2015, but i believe the gap will not be as big as it is now.

Microsoft was very successful last gen, no reason they can't catch up when more games people like come out and support for 360 stops.

Bitfitness@ Uncharted is likely going to be 2016 release to counter Halo and Gears likely out end of 2015 both games could be delayed to 2016, not sure?

Bloodborne and the Order aren't big hitters they are not even established games yet. Like Sunset Overdrive and Quantum break for xb1.

Sony has a clear advantage, but its obviously selling its console to more people in different countries worldwide. Plus we don't know how many last gen users have migrated to next gen. Have Sony fans jumped quicker is the same? Too many unknowns.

XB1 clearly it isn't irrelevant outside those two big markets. When official figure show 30+ million 360's were purchased outside first tier countries. That was like 35% of accounted sales. In fact Microsoft is releasing in more countries now than it did with the 360. I don't they would do that without having researched the prospect of be able to sell there.

[bicfitness]

And Sony's real big hitters, UC, Bloodborne, the Order, are actually coming next year. So how will the gap close? Sony are already pretty much at 2:1 world-wide, whereas MS have stuffed the channels so much that they they're bundling 360 and X1 numbers now. Last update we had from them was 5 million SHIPPED. And in the latest memo, they directly referenced a "moving through inventory", aka, massive channel stuffing constipation going on in the market. Japan and other T2 countries won't do squat, if anything MS will route some of the consoles that they have stockpiled in warehouses to those new regions, so we won't see any noticeable impact on numbers, as that's a reallocation of stock, and not an increase in demand.

They have lost in the UK, and are at a 25%, and growing, disadvantage in the US. The X1 is completely irrelevant outside of these two markets, even more so than the 360 was last gen. There is no feasible scenario in which MS "catches" up unless Sony simply stops making, and selling, PS4s.

[GW212]

Maybe you forgot, but XB1 had Titanfall as a "system seller." Clearly that fell short in terms of what MS was hoping. It sold fine and it's a good game, but not the show-stopper MS had hoped.

And I wouldn't call Infamous nor Killzone "big hitters," at least no more so than Dead Rising or Forza.

[Chaoticmoon]

In all honesty Killzone and Infamous really aren't their biggest hitters when you really delve into what Sony comes out with. Sure they are pretty big but those are the generation openers not finishers ;)

[styferion]

...what.

if anything, it's Sony that hasn't released its big hitter yet, something that you XB fanboys kindly kept reminding people in this forum that "PS4 doesn't have games". And now suddenly it's Sony that already released its big hitter?

[hiawa23]

Neither Killzone, or Infamous are Sony big hitters

[Saito]

Bloodborne and The Order are bigger shot hitters than Quantum Break and the child game Sunset Overdrive. Fact. Stand down.

[bennissimo]

I own both and play both equally. That being said, I have much more to look forward to from the X1 this holiday season.

[jspsc123]

True. The Master Chief Collection is a hard hitter. Santa's elves already started putting in overtime.

[wenaldy]

ahhh that "i own both" argument..

[gamerhecz]

I rather have someone commenting when they have perspective on both since they own both like I do rather than have some fanboy thinking they know everything

[RosweeSon]

That's nice ;) each to their own. I prefer Japanese gaming not American. They've done it for longer I grew up with a NES, mega drive "genesis" and they all do it better microsoft's first console was piss poor I bought once they've reduced the size of their oversized dreamcast controller if that was even possible so I picked up the original xbox with 3 of the best games bundled in and the new S controller for about half the price everyone else had paid on launch (which Microsoft in the U.K. Anyway had to give everyone a free controller and 2 games) because they reduced the price so soon after launch and by so much, didn't use it for about 6 months (it was only 8 months old) then when I did it wouldn't boot up, reliable! Microsoft have had one success and that was the xbox 360 mainly due to being a fantastic system but also due to Nintnedo doing their own thing as always great if you love the nintendo classics like I do but I don't wanna be dancing and all that crap so wii was a side console a bit like this wii u has turned out to be but it's getting much more use than my wii did once I was done with smash, mario kart and zelda, but not only that ps3 flopped big time to start with and this gave Microsoft a great chance to become the dominant console they did it for a good 4/5 years even through all the RROD, but seriously xbox one is going down the same route as the original console if the price cut alone hasn't showed you this the fact the Americans aren't supporting their own console says it all. I'm sure it'll be around for a few years but Microsoft will have to try again if they want to beat the ps4, ps3 is still shifting and likely will until it's sony's THIRD console to clear 100 million units, the fact that ps4 has nearly sold best part of 10 million in only a year and nearly double of anything Microsoft have SOLD, says it all, Microsoft is on their way out, shame most of my mates haven't seen this but they will learn the hard expensive way, why they won't listen to someone who has gamed for over 25 years? Hey ho ;)

And I don't need to own an xbox one to see what they have done my mates have them one went on launch day so wasn't happy with kinect after a while as he didn't use it, why would I wanna pay over the odds for an inferior product I already do it every other year for an iphone ;( haha, but seriously no fan boy here I own everything going other than a PC and xbox one, yes I've still got my 360 but now I've finally finished doom 3, orange box and arkham city time to retire my xbox haven't been signed up to gold for a few months now. Not interested in paying for it haven't been for a long time. Ps+ got no problems with I was doing it through ps3/vita anyway so the mandatory part doesn't even come into on ps4 besides who wouldn't want free games and all of your updates for your games downloaded and ready to play rather than having to wait for them to download/install everytime you get a new one, Sony are doing the business here and if they mess it up which ain't gonna happen I've got my 3DS and wii U game on rant over ;( haha peace.

[lelo]

"If Xbox One can’t outsell PS4 this holiday season, it probably never will"

At the same price as the PS4, no, the X1 won't outsell the PS4. Like it or not, it's a inferior machine. Now if it was $299 ($100 cheaper), then this console generation could become interesting.

[Why o why]

Sony would probably have to counter that. Only by 50 quid/dollars

[jmc8888]

Probably not. $299 is still a premium price.

It would get alot of people off the fence and increase sales sure, but sales wouldn't be massive.

$199, yeah I could see THAT being a game changer price wise, but $299 isn't $199, and that $100 makes a huge difference.

But you see, if they sell it at $199 then they basically lost any benefit of bringing out a new console versus still selling just the old one, which is where they are basically at right now.

Last year in Mar-Jun of 2013 they shipped 1.2 million 360's. This year Mar-Jun 2014, they shipped 1.1 million 360+Xbox Ones, this including one month of the new SKU and thus it actually is a much higher number then it would be otherwise.

If not for the new Kinectless SKU that 1.1 million would probably be more like 700k to 800k. Because they literally had to stock a new version everywhere they sold and even then, their total shipped was 1.1 million? Ouch.

But the main point why this won't happen is, they need a price ADVANTAGE. But it is IMPOSSIBLE for them to have a price ADVANTAGE.

Sony's bill of materials is cheaper then XB1. Besides this, since they used GDDR5 instead of DDR3, and the fact it's in a smaller form factor and doesn't have ESRAM/Customized CPU costs, means Sony can undercut the Xbox One at ANY TIME.

So if Microsoft lowered the price to $299, Sony could lower it to $299, or even lower just to show who is in the position of power. Neither are likely to do it because such a price war only hurts both and doesn't help either.

So the interesting part would be if Sony ALLOWED Microsoft a $100 price advantage for the Kinectless SKU when in fact they could match or undercut Microsoft at anytime.

[Magicite]

If PS4 will win all of 2014 NPD, then I think we can surely say that X1 has no chance against it, neither globally nor in USA.

[D-riders]

Look there is about 30 fan boy who just won't admit it

[mrpsychoticstalker]

Only on n4g

[miyamoto]

"Its because playstation 4 is generally accepted as the BEST product."

*There I corrected it for you, mate.

There is a saying: "Better is the enemy of Best."

or

"Don't settle for second best, baby. Put your love to the test."

That photo of a man hugging that green box might have irked many gamers and stayed away from Xbox One.

[Lennoxb63]

I see it like this. Sony is the most trusted company gaming wise and people listen to them before MS. So if Sony starts a mudslinging campaign to discredit MS, the public will trust their word. Just think about it. Xbox vs PS2. No mudslinging. Did okay but it was new. Xbox 360 vs PS3. No mudslinging. Did great. Now, Xbox One vs PS4. Mudslinging campaign starts. Xbox One isn't doing so well (sales wise).

[DLConspiracy]

"Better product" and better hype. Not dissing PS4 but it did have a lot of hype and a better price point. PS knows how to market. These consoles are different though and I am not just talking about power and resolution. Diferent consoles for different preferences.

[ITPython]

How on earth does the XB1 have the advantage this fall? Both consoles are just about neck and neck exclusive wise, with the PS4 edging out ahead just a bit. Plus unlike last-gen, this generation the Playstation console is THE place to play multiplat games due to games performing and looking better on the PS4. Which basically puts the vast majority of games released this fall in the PS4's corner.

XB1 couldn't even outsell the PS4 with the $100 cheaper kinectless version that had most of May's sales in preorders along with Junes sales. To think it even has a remote chance of outselling the PS4 this holiday season is incredibly delusional.

[showtimefolks]

it will sell well but ps4 will outsell it, not only here but world wide. People are so consumed by usa sales that they are forgetting that ps4 is outselling xbox one 4-1 world wide

arguments have been made so it really doesn't matter:

Clouds
titanfall will do it
kinect less xbox one at $399 will do it
halo collection will do it
well xbox one has better updates

stop making so many excuses, all last gen most of you xbox fanboys wouldn't shut up about usa market belonging to ms, so now that te tables have turned its not important.

also its always fun to start out by saying i own both consoles, well i don't and i don't plan to either(not enough time and xbox one isn't worth it to me)

2nd console of choice should be the wiiu because for the first time we can play Nintendo gams in HD, while majority of the games on ps4/xbox one will be the same(excluding exclusives) and majority of those same 3rd party games will look or play better on ps4

MS really screwed up big time, they went after the TV crowd, they went after casuals and now they are stuck in limbo

[Hardcore_gamerxbox]

Yeah ok I believe u

[kenshiro100]

Microsoft's anti-consumerism screwed them over. Unless they pull some kind of a miracle, I can't see the XB1 outselling the PS4.

[stuna1]

This is a bridge that should be crossed when we reach it! Until then it's unfounded speculation. Which truthfully has become very boring.

[SlavisH2]

I dont understand why people keep pushing this crap. There is enough room for all 3 systems to do well.

[hiawa23]

I agree, this inferior word they keep throwing out is interesting cause consoles have always had one console more powerful, I.e., PS2 vs Xbox, but I don't remember the word used so much. By the definition some are using while trying to guage this gen console pricing, the PS2 should have been much cheaper than the Cube or Xbox

[Spotie]

It IS speculation, but it's far from unfounded.

Pretty much everything is in Sony's favor right now, but you could argue the XB1 has a stronger lineup for the holidays. This includes their biggest franchise in Halo, though it's not a new entry.

But if the XB1 can't take the lead now, when will it? The circumstances that need to occur will be extremely unlikely, and they include Sony doing next to nothing, which we all know won't happen.

[stuna1]

It's unfounded if holiday sales haven't even happened yet! Like I said it's speculation. It would be founded if this had happened but it hasn't.

[OpieWinston]

I'm pretty sure Halo 5 Guardians/Scalebound next Holiday season are bigger selling points for people looking for a reason to pick up an X1.

Sunset Overdrive/Forza Horizon 2/Killer Instinct Season 2/Ori/Halo MC Collection/Halo 5 Guardians Beta are good reasons to pick one up this season, but the major draw in will be with
Halo 5
and Scalebound (Platinum/Kamiya Game ftw!)

[Michiel1989]

Scalebound and Sunset do grab my attention a lot. I will probably pick those up when i buy an Xbox One.

tbh Killer Instinct was the worst letdown for me. I was looking forward to it so badly and then they fuck it up with all those seasons and buying characters.....Free to play or how u want to call it isn't suited for fighters, at least not with this model

[OpieWinston]

Free to play works for Killer Instinct and Fighting games.

BUT they do need to work a bit on the model.

It was good that you could earn in game items with points.

But they should've followed the MOBA model of F2P with giving players the option to earn enough to get characters. (It would've had to have been a HIGH cost) but should've been doable.

I got to disagree because MOBAs/Fighters are the only solid competitive games where F2P model works.

You only use 1-3 Fighters/Champs/Heroes so you only need a select few of them that you can master. In MOBAs you'd use 5-10 if you're good but most people only alter between 3.

Off Topic: The disagrees are unreal...N4G never disappoints with the mindless stealth disagrees.

[Michiel1989]

@OpieWinston every moba or fighter which restricts being able to pick every character from the get go is a fail to me. The whole point of those games are the diversity of the heroes/fighters, why would you restrict that?

I do get why they do it, they need to earn money for making it f2p. But you can't mess with the core experience imo (which limiting players to choose all heroes is)

[hello12]

Mate of mine on 360 actually told me he's waiting for the new minecraft on xb1 believe or not.

Other friends on 360 told me they want another price drop? I think Microsoft should look at that prospect realistically. A lower price even if its only 30 dollars is a good thing.

Also other friends on 360, are waiting on Gears of War. I don't think they care about other games like other folks .

I'm convinced not lot of people have moved to next gen yet from 360 and its effecting sales.

[Angels3785]

no they have, but statistically its been to a ps4

[Hanso]

No PG Game in history has sold well LMAO

[Neixus]

Diablo,Star Craft, CS, WoW, Dayz and Rust says hi!

I could could continue the list, but nobody got time for that.

[Chaoticmoon]

I feel like those who truly want Halo 5 will buy an Xbone this Holiday season for the Halo MCC because its more Halo and it gets them into the Halo 5 beta. So Halo 5 could have an effect next year but it will certainly be a bit more muted than the reaction would be without the Halo MCC coming out

[fei-hung]

You are right, but at the same time The Order, Bloodborne and Uncharted 4 will do the same for Sony.

And all this is considering they do not announce anything else in between. They still have Planetside2, Everquest, H1Z1 and more coming along with timed exclusive releases for The Witness and No Man's Sky.

Then there are games like Shadow of the Beast, Everybody's Gone to Rapture and TLG (if it ever comes out).

I suppose what I am saying is, with the above, Project Morpheus and PS NOW, Sony have more options to spread over the next year and beyond than MS. They also have the history of having delivered in full over the last 3 gens which MS hasn't as they always come up dry towards the last years of a console.

However, I think if Phil carries on doing what he is doing, and building those studios, it will make the end of this gen far more interesting and certainly the start of the next. You can't build a portfolio of games and studios within a year, things like that take time and cannot be rushed and from the looks of things, Phil is pulling all the right moves.

[MeliMel]

Are you nuts, excusee de francee.... how could you come with that list for this holiday and say BUT...its still not the hitters. Did you forget that Halo MCC will give you a chance to play Halo 5. Xbox One is positioning itself quite well for the holidays just like they said.

[Michiel1989]

how the fuck does this article come through? The guy who wrote it aboviously started gaming this gen. Look at last gen ps3 was lagging behind on sales MASSIVELY and the made a comeback.

Its all about the games IN THE END. The first impression matters for the sales for 1 year, maybe even a bit more. But at some point the games are going to decide who sells more. if microsoft gets more good games than Sony I am sure they will win in sales at the end of this gen.

[hkgamer]

ps3 wasnt lagging too far behind. the only thing was it being a year behind. sales were pretty similar throughtout the whole generation.

ms/360 read the trends or did the right things last gen. they paid japanese decelopers to make games for them, paid rockstar for dlc, got timed exclusive for big multiplayer games, achievements, unified friendslist/profile, partychat, video on demand, xbla titles.

their downfall in a sense was the kinect, it sold amazingly well and was fun, but the core gamers lost confidence in them making proper games. the last few e3 barely showed any proper games whilst sony was showing support all the way.

[y7jzdgy]

Yeah ok, it only took Sony 8 years to overcome a 10 million gap in sales and even then it still hasn't managed to outsell it; at least I haven't seen any creditable proof it.

I agree, Kinect was the downfall of Xbox but all that has changed with new management and games are now the main focus; the way it should be. While discussing downfalls though it's worth mentioning Sony's new focus on indies vs big budget games.

[RichardDawkins]

The ps3 outsold the 360 worldwide in 2011 or 2012.

[zeuanimals]

@y7 and other letters:

The fact that the PS3 was on the market for a year less and was able to overcome an 8 million (not 10) gap just puts the 360 in a bad light. It got a year headstart and the PS3 caught up, there's also no proof that either one is ahead and the general consensus is that they're about even. The PS3 will continue to sell because it's still getting exclusives, and fairly big ones, Persona 5 and Kingdom Hearts 2.5 HD. It's also got far more WW appeal.

Several million 360s were also lost due to RROD and people had to pay out of pocket for new ones. This was before MS started replacing them in 2007 and all of those sales count towards the 360's numbers meaning the installbase was never as big as the numbers suggested.

[hkgamer]

@y7jzdgy

you said it yourself. its a 10 million headstart. 10 million is a lot, dreamcast or the saturn didnt even sell that many.
also like to say that the 360 is the 7th highest selling console. its quite a feat and for the ps3 to be able to become the 6th is also a fantastic job.

now sonys focus on indies is a fantastic idea. i think sony is further behind ms in terms of aaa titles due to ms focusing on this gen a lot sooner than sony. sony decided to support ps3 towards the end because it needed to make money as a company whilst ms had the money to invest and risk it on this gen. therefore sony needed games for ps4 and decided to focus on indies and make it a big deal. indie titles are fun and i have definitely had more fun with them than most aaa this gen.

what i want to say is that sony could have easily made beyond two souls, tlou, puppeteer, gt6 etc all ps4 launch titles. however, as a company, they needed to cash in with te ps3. they could not afford the risk of releasing those big games to a console would a userbase that could be tiny.

[Michiel1989]

a year behind and selling less consoles in the first 2 years or something is what i call being massively behind. That it released a year later just contributed to be behind. Sony did do a great job with their awesome original exclusives. besides the really well known games, Valkyria CHronicles and Ni No Kunni really were worth buying a ps3 for ;)

[fei-hung]

You have to remember, the PS3 lagging was for very different reasons:

1) MS had a year 12(USA) to 18(Rest of the world) month head start on PS3.
2) The PS3 was also a BR player.
3) PS3 was more powerful and it showed during the later half of the gen.
4) Sony released more Exclusives consistently throughout the gen.
5) Sony offered free online
6) Sony offered PS+ which gave tons of free AAA games every year for the same price as their competitors subscription service.

You are right however on games being one of the key factors, and at this moment, the PS4 has more games. Whether they are Indie, f2p, AAA or other, the PS4 has them in spades.

People may laugh at this, however, they forget, during the ps2 gen, all the games just fell under the games category. People didn't distinguish between different tiers of games. You had games like Puzzle Bobble, Dance Mat games, Eye Toy Games, Light gun games, 2d, 3d, budget and AAA. This is what made the PS2 successful; there was something there for everyone and at various different price points.

[y7jzdgy]

The PS3 was not more powerful it had inferior RAM and GPU and most big budget multi-plats proved that as fact. Uncharted could have also been easily done on the 360 with the exact same results. The Cell was nothing but a bunch of PR bullshit that fanboys and the media bought hook, line and sinker. When first party devs came out and said "can't be done on the 360" it was PR bullshit! When are you people going to smarten up and learn from past ignorance?

At least with this gen the PS4's hardware advantages are clearly understandable and not just a bunch of theoretical numbers on a piece of fucking paper! I laugh at all the silly fanboys who go on about MS cloud PR but conveniently forget about all the Cell PR. Hypocrites.

[insomnium2]

@y7jzwhatever

*standing ovasion*

Here people we have a prime example of the intelligence level that ran apesh*t all over this site for years (2005-2008).

Every single time you feel like MS is beng sh*t upon too much try to understand the amount of BS that these kinds of people ran with day in and day out. Maybe then you understand how some of us older members feel.

[Clogmaster]

There was no Xbox360 exclusive that looked better (and was technically more impressive)than TLoU or Uncharted, or Killzone.

[Why o why]

Do not engage that y7 guy..... he bemoans fanboys yet optimises one. The type that will pm you then block you when you shut his fanbotic ass down, repeat, do not engage. Idiocy can sometimes be contagious.

Its not curtains if the x1 doesn't outsell the ps4 but it wouldn't bode well for ms. I don't think that should be their goal. They've improved their appeal and image with the new leadership and direction. Is it too little too late? Only time will tell. One of the positives in ms's spell of uncertainty is that they should now know they cannot replicate their minimalistic ethos of last gen. They'll have to pump out exclusive after exclusive for the WHOLE gen not just for the early years. With that, they'll at least of gained back some of the trust they lost.

[Michiel1989]

the ps3 was lagging behind because it had a br player? because it offered free online? because it gave free games? because sony released more exclusives that gen?

really all that are arguments that it SHOULDNT be lagging behind. They were behind because of being a year later on the market, the price and the lack of good games.

[Clogmaster]

Xbox 360 came out a year before the PS3.

Give someone a year headstart in a marathon and see if you can catch up.

[MysticStrummer]

"Look at last gen ps3 was lagging behind on sales MASSIVELY and the made a comeback."

PS3 launched much later at a higher price, yet still managed to outsell 360 pretty consistently once it released. Eventually catching up with 360 was inevitable.

Things can always change, but so far this generation is playing out very differently.

[shadowraiserx]

The title is funny ,the Xbox 1 is not going to disappear from earth because is a 2nd place purshase again.

[KingPin]

the media today makes it look like if a company aint first, they should never make another console again coz the company is doomed from bankruptcy.

as if sony made no profit from the PS3 at all.

"gaming media" of today are sickening really. creating flame wars whenever they can.

[jnemesh]

Third place. They don't have 2nd locked yet. And Nintendo is still coming along nicely...Super Smash Bros is coming.

[HugoDrax]

Who gives a crap. I'm sick of reading the same BS on this site over and over, as if who sells more consoles mean anything. The real competition is the overall financial results. Which MICROSOFT is in 1st PLACE.

I may as well post the FINANCIALS from FORBES, since Sony fanboys used FORBES as a source to try and discredit Microsoft a few days ago on N4G.

Microsoft: http://www.forbes.com/compa...

-Sales Rank: #82
-Market Cap: $343.82 Billion
-#2 Worlds Most Valuable Brand
-Profit: #13
-Market Value: #4
-Assets: #176

Sony: http://www.forbes.com/compa...

-Sales Rank: #97
-Market Cap: $20.15 Billion
-#80 Worlds Most Valuable Brand
-Profit: #591
-Market Value: #546
-Assets: #181

Now fanboys, stop living in your N4G bubble and realize that SONY outselling Microsoft in consoles means nothing. Microsoft trumps Sony in the real race. Now please stop with the Microsoft is doomed articles because Sony is selling more consoles. It's sickening.

[BG11579]

And Splatoon.
And Hyrile Warriors.
And Bayonneta.
And the next Xenosaga.
And alot of other games.

Slaptoon may be my main reason to finally buy the WiiU.

[HugoDrax]

@shadowraiserx
Only on N4G smh. I remember the articles with the comments how Nintendo would be doomed in Japan once the PS4 launches there. Looks as if the Japanese culture are smart enough not to buy into the hype.

[hkgamer]

its still too early to say, ii understand the reasons why this christmas season it has an advantage. but the next season it may still have better games available or coming.

ms is also in a better position to lower prices, make slimmer models. the current xbone is massive and has plenty of space inside to make small.

the os and community will be the things that differentiate the two consoles, i personally think the 3rd or 4th christmas season will be the one to look out for.

[CervantesPR]

Sony said the ps4 was made to be price competitive, and the ps4 sells on a profit,ps4 is printing money I doubt microsoft and sony want to give that up and take losses this early,they will make a slim version before any more pricedrops are done.

[hkgamer]

the ps4 sells on a profit and sony at this stage cannot afford to not make a profit.

on the other hand, ms has a nit more money and can do a price drop any moment, a remodel can happen to shift even more units, probably half the size of what it is now. not saying this will happen anytime soon.

im just arguing that even if xbone doesnt outsell the ps4 this holiday season its not the end of the world.

[kenshiro100]

Microsoft's price drop isn't working. It was never about price.

[cruzngta]

If MS would drop the price to $349 or maybe even $299 then things would get interesting I think. As of now the price being the same as a PS4 is to little to combat the momentum the PS4 has had since it launched. Also people are more informed today as consumers and know about the power difference and for some that is a big deal. Some people may not care about that and just go by the games each machine deals out. The price is what is keeping them from outselling PS4 over any significant amount of time.

[SG1_dapunisherX]

as much I love my xbox one same with my ps4. i cant see ms beating sony ths holiday. ps4 is still the hottest thing in world. the only way, I see xbox one outselling ps4, if the 399 is bundle with mcc with 1 month of xbox live....

[JeffGUNZ]

How can anyone predict anything about which year anything will sell best when that said product is looking to go about 8-10 years? Anyone else tired of these articles?

[Alabamarolltide1990]

I can't believe people are still on this topic. I don't understand the obsession on this. Who cares who is selling more. Both consoles are awesome! Both have great games.

[jts1891]

It's called teenage fanboys whose ego is tied up in their console of choice. Frankly, I don't pay much attention to these articles because they are little more than clickbait for children.

[SaveFerris]

The article forgot about the multi-platform titles and even if it manages to outsell the PS4 for one holiday period, so what? There is still likely to be a very large gap in overall sales.

[ExposingLames]

I came into this generation as the new xbox was the console I wanted to get and move to. Then their XB1 info started coming out. There is no way in hell I will own an XB1 now. Funny how Titanfall fell off the map too the bit XB1 savior. Like i said as soon as the vids came out...after a month no one will even mention the game again.

[Artista]

PlayStation has always been the bigger brand. Nothing more, nothing less. An older brand and more of a veteran in the industry than Microsoft's Xbox

It's no shock that PS4 is doing better sales wise, it would be surprising if Xbox ONE were doing better, that'd be something to write about.

Also, who says you have to be the leading salesman to be successful?

[jts1891]

Shhhhh. Fanboys don't like logic.

[iNFAMOUZ1]

oh who cares, its about the games, im going to be gaming on halo 2 remastered for a long while

[MeliMel]

It doesnt have to outsell PS4. Regardless im pretty sure all consoles will do well this holiday.
Oh,
With Sunset Overdrive, Forza Horizon 2, Halo MCC and Halo Nightfall, XB1 will have a good chance of doing just that.

[Rimeskeem]

I like how people think that Sony is just not releasing anything too when this stuff comes out

LBP 3

DriveClub

The Last of Us

All the multiplats are better on ps4 (Destiny)

People are forgetting that the PS4 has big hitters coming as well

[MeliMel]

I like how people think they know what people are thinking. Or what consoles they own. Yet they dont know ish.

I was replying to article. And btw I own a PS4 and know whats coming. Destiny is already paid off baby no need for that fanboy shit.

If read some of my comments you would know I have a PS4!

[slasaru01]

No, somebody has to outsell. Otherwise the life is meaningless, can't you understand.

[MeliMel]

Lol...

[Dehnus]

http://youtu.be/sY278K4ljWs

So I'm not even going to click at yet another "<X Console> is DOOOOOOOOOMED!" clickbait title to get the fanboys of that brand in a row.

[andydalum]

I don't understand articals like these. The xbox one has it's advantages that it does better than PS4 (I know i know hard to believe) the features that aren't directly for gaming like the kinect are used in cool ways like forza horizon 2 voice activated GPS *Hell Yeah*. Snap achievements works flawlessly, i still believe xbox live is a better service in terms of reliability. Forza Horizon 2, halo MCC, Halo 5, Scalebound, sunset overdrive, ori and the blind forest. Just the ones announced i don't remember the xbox ever having so many promising excluses so soon to one of their launchs and im sure we will see more exclusives. To each their own on what console you prefer but to say the xbox one is a failure is a bit over the top in my opinion. The PS3 lost money the entire life span and started behind who is to say the xbox one can't come back the Wii U is starting to make a come back because they proved it's about games xbox will recover as long as they stay on current path i like the changes that have been being made.

[SpinalRemains138]

Surprised TrueFan isn't flipping out that they put a mans head on his his picture. :D

Yeah this assumption is most likely correct. Anything can change of course, but the uphill climb is going to be astronomically difficult to say the least.

[Mithan]

Well to be fair to MS, they said the same about the PS3 which eventually did match the 360.

[hiawa23]

I have enjoyed the One but lets be honest, it aint going to outsell the PS4. Devs and gamers almost cream themselves just at the mere mention of Sony's console, and with the hateraid many have against MS, I just don't see it. That is fine, that doesn't mean MS can't have a successful gen. The One will be fine, might not do PS4 numbers but that is okay.

[y7jzdgy]

The X1 has a great stable of exclusives along with some new IP's and XBL is still second to none when it comes to online console gaming. MS also seem more enthusiastic about big budget games than Sony does because they aren't pushing indies like Sony is with the PS4. MS are also in a far better position to support big budget games than Sony is. People on this site will try spin and deny that but it's the truth.

All MS has to do to catch Sony is keep bringing the exclusives and stay focused on games - that's it.

[Why o why]

Did you miss last gens exclusives output. You champion their wealth or ability to make big budget games yet they produced less than 'bankrupt' sony. Game of the year in the last year.....what did the wealthy ms give us.......kinect sports 2...lmao. delusion helps you sleep so go to bed.

[creeping judas]

Does it have to beat the PS4?
Can't it just sell well enough for MS to continue to make Xbox consoles?
Why does one console have to beat another console in sales?

[strangeaeon]

Because of fanboys and clicks, thats why.

[slasaru01]

In such a case N4G and the rest will not be making money. This is a nightmare for them. This nightmare happened already to paper mass media and will happen to internet media some day. So they use all dirty tricks to make their money, especially triggering emotions of fanboys

[OUROSMAG]

Who cares?

[DJustinUNCHAIND]

It doesn't need to lead to be successful. Xbox is going to have a great holiday with SSOD, FH2, and Master Chief Collection.

[slasaru01]

How can you be so indifferent?
(sarcasm)

[BigShotSmoov007]

I mean the last I checked the software drives the sales of the hardware. What exclusive games does Sony have to drive the sales of the PS4. Other than Driveclub what else do they have and I don't think Driveclub is going to sell alot of consoles for Sony.

[strangeaeon]

If the X1 does not outsell the PS4,I will somehow muster the strength to go on with my life and enjoy all of my favorite exclusives on X1.

[AllAboutGaming]

Another price drop for Xbox One coming Spring 2015.

[bleedsoe9mm]

probably should have done it for fall , could make a really good case for people to pick it up with those great exclusives and a 30$ish price advantage

[DialgaMarine]

If the XBone got beat by PS4 by over 72K units for the month of June in just the US, despite the new SKU, there's not a chance in hell. The only title that could possibly push units for it this holiday is Halo: MCC. But PS4 still has TLoU: R to match that AND the exclusive Destiny bundle which is going to push millions. This is all of course not the mention the fact that PS4 is still doing better in just the US (let alone the world), despite it's big exclusive drought.

[Kingoftherodeo]

It's the rep xboxone got. Once you get over the fact that some multiplatform games look better on ps4 even thought the naked eye can't really spot it. The xboxone has the better multipurpose console it also has the big games that ps4 seems to be lacking. The rep it's just killing it, my cousin who's 12 got a ps4 only for destiny. I told him you do know its on xbox also he's like no way why do you only see destiny ps4 commercials? He's young so he doesn't know any better, some people are going with ps4 based on resolution gate. And because everyone says that the ps4 is more powerful which is true but leads people to think xboxone is really weak.

[Predaking77]

Another magic hope for the notebook. Let's review so far all the tactics Microsoft have used, how all of them failed and why looking for another "if" is pointless.

- Reversal of draconian anti consumer policies before launch: failed.

- Most hyped exclusive game in history, the messiah, the savior, Titanfall: failed.

- Unofficial Price cut: failed.

- Free Titanfall in a bundle: failed.

- official price cut: failed.

Nothing has worked for the X1, NOTHING. Sunset Overdrive, Halo Collection or Halo 5 will also not help. It is obvious in this point that it will not.

People, gamers and consumers already decided and has been spread that the PS4 is the superior, best value, more popular and leading console of this generation.

You will see the endless cycle of finding the golden goose for the X1; wait for e3, wait for gamescom, wait for another price cut, wait for gears of war, wait for the cloud, wait for dx12.

Sony haven't even realesed their big guns, what do you think it will happen when then big guns arrive, when PS now arrive and when, morpheus arrives?

Let's be honest, x1 has no chance against the PS4, it have to fight against the Wii u and prepare for when Zelda and metroid arrive.

[DanielGearSolid]

Don't forget free Fifa in EU: Failed

[strangeaeon]

So what now? Would it make you happy if I ran over my X1 with my car and bought a PS4? Would that complete you? Help me understand what the point of all this cheerleading is.

[SideNote]

The farmer wants all his sheep in one pen. Us wolves aren't allowed in.

[ZerobyZero]

I guess this generation is going to be xbox one and wii u.

[peshkavusCA]

Yup and gamers will spend so much time and money on gaming between the two consoles.

[Tresyn10]

Sony will pull something out from under their sleeves, but we'll see

[Muzikguy]

Soon these articles should stop. At least I hope so. Nothing will help the X1. There was so much talk about Titanfall and that didn't help. I know that something where so much effort was put forth they were wanting much better results. The price drop hasn't helped. All the 180s haven't helped. Now they're jumping on the remake bandwagon with Halo and I don't see that helping. This is good though I think MS needs a nice lesson in humility. They will keep selling though and that's fine too. We need competition. This is only the beginning

[Provolone24]

No one can know for sure, but this isn't a completely insane prediction by any means. Think about it: the bulk of Sony's best games aren't even hitting until 2015. And you have to figure the new IPs from Media Molecule, Sony Bend, Guerilla, Quantic Dream, Santa Monica, etc. will drop sometime in 2016; late 2015 if we're lucky. That being said, if MS can't gain ground on Sony now when the PS4's lineup of games is likely as weak as it will possibly ever be, they may never catch up. Halo alone can't win it for them, and Sony is just getting started in terms of software.

[Goku781]

Everyone sing the invader zim doom song till Chistrmas. Doom, doom doom doom! Doom, doom, doom, doom, doom, doom. DOOMY DOOMY DOOM! (Repeat) Sorry PS4 brand and image and incoming exclusives too strong.

[horndog]

I know. It seems ps4 fans are more into xbox one sales than they are into ps4 games. Every day it's a new article related to xbox one sales or why you should trade up, so obsessed with xbox one sales. To me it smells like fear. Maybe they upset about master yushida not giving a crap about AAA titles since they can't afford them any more or maybe they are frustrated with the horrible indies that flood the psn and feel a need to justify their purchase.

[Provolone24]

Can't afford triple-A? Uncharted 4, The Order, Killzone, Infamous, and Bloodborne all say hello. And that's not even to mention all the unannounced IPs Sony has, at least several of which will be AAA. You can go back under your bridge now.

Edit: and could you possibly be any more hypocritical? You accuse PS4 users of being more concerned about Xbox sales than Xbox users, yet one look at your comments history shows the majority of them to be you commenting on PS4-related articles. You're almost as lame as your username.

[Patm82]

@y7jzdgy lol Ps3 was more powerfull than xbox360 yes xbox had better ram and gpu but the cell was for more superior, here the great John Carmack https://www.youtube.com/wat... and here Mark Cerny, talking about they went with cell to give there first parties the advantage over third, because they knew third parties wouldn't take time to master it here https://www.youtube.com/wat... lol Xbox couldn't do Uncharted lol, Sony's ps3 CPU+GPU cumbo had more peak power than xbox 360 CPU+GPU combo, and history already proved that

[HumanatPlay]

Xbox One doesn't need to outsell the PS4 to sell me a good time.

[modesign]

micro can compete with nintendo

[pornflakes]

Thanks to 343 Industries and the Halo: Master Chief Collection, many xbox360 owners will finally jump to the next generation and pick up a Xbox one on cristmas at latest.

I predict 7 Million units sold by the end of the year + 3 Million more units bundled with the MCC collection.

MSFT will see a boom in sales when halo gets released.

while PS4 owners will keep playing multiplatts, Xbox owners will play Sunset Overdrive, the Master Chief Collection and Forza Horizon 2 in additional with all the great 3rd party games which will profit from dedicated Servers and the award winning gaming Controller, only available on Xbox One.

[Hanso]

Multiplats?
I will play:
LBP3
TLoUR
Driveclub
The Order 1886
Bloodborne- so excited for this one :3
Uncharted 4

say what again?

[corroios]

or not. Maybe they will be playing TLOU or Driveclub. I think the majority will be playing Destiny

Dont know that game called servers... who cares about a controller with 90 batteries technology

Sunset overdrive is infamous kid version with cartony graphics. Another Forza, to many racers to choose on the market.

For me there is only one game that will sell well and that is Halo, because the loyal fãs will buy the game.

3rd party games will be better on the PS4...

[WildDonkey]

90's battery technology? LOL. I use rechargeable's in my xbox one controllers which last 12 to 15 hours of heavy gaming. My PS4 controllers charge lasts about 4 hours of heavy gaming. I use two PS4 controllers and switch back and forth ALOT. PS4's controllers are shit as far as batteries go. Not to mention when that battery finally takes a dump you may as well buy a new controller rather than going to the trouble of trying to replace it.

Sunset Overdrive is Infamous with kids graphics? When did you play it? As far as 3rd party games go, yes i agree with you, so far they are superior on the PS4 but you better enjoy those 3rd party games on the PS4 cause if you don't own an Xbox One as well that's all you're gonna have to play for awhile.

[TRS_Gear]

A few things..

1: More annoying click bait.
2: Who F'ing cares? These articles are getting so redundant!
3: Now that they are evenly priced, the console with the best exclusives will most likely sell the most units.
4: It doesn't matter which console is more successful, as long as they both selling at a continual rate, its good for the industry.
5: N4G you suck.

[PurpHerbison]

Anything is possible. PS3 made a comeback and I don't think anybody was expecting that.

[Flames76]

The X1 doesnt have to outsell the PS4 its still gonna sell about 70 to 90 million in its life.Also the Xbox division makes profit ending june profit was up again for the division.Sony hasn't posted theirs which i dont blame them after a 1.2 billion dollar loss ending march 31 and a $400 million loss since the PS4 has launched.On top of that the playstation division has lost over 6 billion since 06.Sorry but sony is a sinking ship.Plus have people forgot the 360 destroyed the PS3 in america 48 million xbox 360's and only 29 million PS3's.The xbox 360 was the number 1 selling console in america last gen and number 2 of all time.84 million for both systems worldwide yet the PS3 was a horrible system but people still enjoyed it a little.PS4 will never have the streak the 360 did 34 months straight victory it will never be broken.Anyway the X1 is the second selling fastest console of all time and its only in 13 countrys.It took the PS4 57 countrys to be number 1 lol.Lets wait and see how things go once the X1 launchs in 42 other countrys this september.Hell its already passed thew Wii U in sales in america within 4 months.

[Brettman2008]

Xbox One has already launched in the important 13 countries. The sales bump from the remaining countries will be miniscule. PS1 and PS2 dominated North America and this is now happening with PS4. The PS4 is outselling Xbox One everywhere, including NA and the UK and that will continue as PS4 has more games available now and more in development.

[Slick81]

And if it doesn't oh well life goes on

[MultiConsoleGamer]

Whatever you say David Manning.

Ask yourself why there are articles like this on the front page of N4G every single day.

[RosweeSon]

If anything it just shows Microsoft are not confident in the product they released and due to the fact many of the features that should have been a standard on next gen as they are all more than capable on current gen (ps360) were not implemented on time and have had to be patched in after they have launched it's great that they can update consoles these days but there's only so many updates and steps forward you can add to a console before it's gonna blow it's little brains, I'm much happier in the fact that ps4 has majority of old features as standard therefore hasn't needed to patch in everything week by week and essentially use up power of your console ps4 has this built in from the start so at least ps4 won't be getting drained by figuring out all your hundreds of updates over the next few years as there just won't have been that many as the ones that have come out have done what has been needed sure there's always room for improvement but it's not even been a year sure ps4 have been slow on the updates but at least they didn't overly need them the console did a great job from the start and as I said at least my console's power isn't gonna get drained by all these additional features and updates because they were there from the start meaning the console is just doing what it's meant to do play games, and xbox doesn't even do 1080p as standard I can't see there gonna be able to all the hardwares gonna be running all the consoles updates and patches, good luck, look at an xbox 360 from launch compared to the various features they have now the dashboard for example has changed massively not suprisingly my 360 never survived so I'm currently on a newer system more reliable as it now has all the upgrades and updates as standard whereas my old xbox was near dying everytime you turn it on due to all the added bells and whistles they kept adding, at least majority of ps4 features were there from the start, xbox are just doing this all wrong yet most of the people I would game with have decided to go Xbox one in this country (U.K.) madness! ;) if the Americans don't won't it why would I, xbox needs a good Christmas and unless they give me for Christmas I won't be buying The dONE ;)

[jmoney2303]

Maybe if Microsoft listened to consumers and didn't add that Kinect BS...

[StevieMacUK]

I was a hardcore 360 fan and when it came to picking up a next gen console (primarily for next gen FIFA and multiplats) I went for the PS4.

Why? Because Microsoft dropped a major ball by pushing a DRM console, with 'Kinect always on/NSA snooping' and lots of non gaming features. Their approach was arrogant.

Microsoft sold the PS4 to me.

Despite their U-turns, I don't trust them. And I think a lot of gamers will need that trust to be rebuilt up with good corporate behavior, solid games and innovative products and services.

That could take years.

[level 360]

Believe over-emphasizing Halo and games similar to Halo has led others to believe it's the only game on the XBox ONE.

All the reason why gamers' and newcomers to gaming are buying the PS4 for variety and a good number at that.

[zeroskie]

I just don't think that statement is true. We have just started this generation. Anything can happen.

[Neonridr]

Bottom line is: It doesn't need to.

[GCO Gamer]

In all honestly, Microsoft has the better product, but Sony has the better console. If Microsoft doesn't outsell Sony this Holiday season it means nothing, if they're both making profits.

People need to understand, Sony doesn't have the lavage of Microsoft. It's all Microsoft at this point, it's the most improved and improving console. The PlayStation 4 isn't revolutionary, at all. It's a PlayStation 3 with better graphics, but an empty device.

Honestly, the Xbox One is ahead of its time. But, in five years or even three we'll see exactly why Microsoft did what they did. Consoles at this time need to do more than just play games, and when you think about PlayStation as a brand that's the first thing that comes to mind. However, on the other spectrum, Xbox has transformed its identity to more then just games which can't help but be a good thing.

The problem with this article is its expect results right away, which is stupid. Two years from now, when I think about whats going to be the richer console I have to put it in Microsoft's corner. You people spending all the money on Netflix, Hulu Plus and even Amazon Prime, and you can't see something that's right in front of you.

Sony has done the costumer friendly thing for the last couple of years, and it works from a marketable standpoint, but from an advancement standpoint... its stupid. Microsoft has advanced its console and it's working remarkably, and with its exclusive content we'll see. The One is an entertainment economy, its a better economy that Sony would ever be able to make.

And yes I understand completely that the costumer is always right, but to just say that you would be blinded to an outstanding entertainment future. I mean, you live in a world where Games are becoming movies and television shows.

[Brettman2008]

What exactly is so advanced about Xbox One considering that is now a less powerful clone of PS4 after all the backflips over the last six months or so? Any individuality has pretty much been blown away. Even Xbox Live Gold has now copied PS plus regarding free monthly games locked behind a paywall. PS4 is dominating now, wait until the multitude of AAA exclusives are released.

[GCO Gamer]

Honestly, that's a blind statement. Even with all the "backflips" as you call it, as a product it still is capable of doing more entertainment-wise then the PlayStation 4.

[ceromaster]

Yeah because we all know that more sales=better product...I guess that makes the Wii the best console of all time...

[MadLad]

PS3 took years to find its stried.
This site loves to condemn the Xbox One months in, however.

[SpideySpeakz]

It will never catch up.

[annus]

Who cares? PS3 took ages to play catch up on monthly sales, that didn't stop it from being an awesome console, and there's no reason Xbone will be bad due to simply lower numbers either.

Sales are just e-peen for companies and teenagers.

[Afterlife]

Quantum Break will help Xbox One outsell the PS4 for a few days. Better than nothing.

[WildDonkey]

All you have to look at to know that this site is populated heavily by Sony Fanboys is the agrees and disagrees on the comments. Any comment favorable toward Xbox One is heavily disagreed with, any comment negative toward PS4 is heavily disagreed with. That's the facts right in front of you and is undeniable.

[captainexplosion]

I just got an XB1 this week and my initial opinion is its a broken console. It was supposed to be the entertainment center of your living room. I really thought it would be cool to instantly switch from satellite to Netflix to games. But the picture quality is degraded if you use it as a cable box which makes the feature useless. On top of that Netflix streams at a much worse quality than any other console other than the Wii. Plus there is no HBOgo. The voice commands are actually kind of cool but become useless if you don't use the other features. For instance, you cant speak to the Kinect to get it to turn on the tv unless it also turns on the XB1, so any time saved by using voice commands to turn on the tv is negated by then having to turn off the XB1 because you're not using it as a satellite box. And using voice commands to operate Netflix is cool until you realize how terrible Netflix is on the XB1. Kind of pathetic I have all 3 next gen consoles yet the PS3 is still the best bluray/steaming device followed by the 360.

[EZMickey]

Didn't it take half a decade for the PS3 to catch surpass the Xbox 360 in sales? If anything that taught us not to be so bold with our "I have a time machine predictions".

If you're gonna make a prediction, try to keep it a year, maybe two years ahead, but "Never" is far too strong a term in this industry and especially in this context.

[Artemidorus]

Playstation 4 offers slighty better hardware and the design is much better however when you turn the thing on you clearly know what you are paying for.

Second gate garbage earbuds and controller, copy cat online system, less features in the console, lacks decent games (for now). Throw in the ill educated mainstream and you got yourself a number one selling console.

Sales doesn't matter to anyone on here inless you have shares with Sony and if you do, I feel really sorry for you . It's up to it's eyeballs in debt and in a country full of debt.

[Brettman2008]

If PS4 is so bad, why is the Xbox One now essentially a lower powered clone of PS4? Microsoft has stripped away most of its individuality to effectively compete. No coincidence that the best console is vastly outselling the competition.

[Artemidorus]

How is it a clone? It's provided many things before Playstation, it offers more features on the console, it offers a better online service. These are all facts and you continue to call it a clone?

You seen more happening on the Xbox's U turn than you ever see with the Playstation in YEARS.

[Brettman2008]

Kinect is now optional, like the PS4 camera. The pricing is pretty much the same. Games for gold mimics PS plus. Games are now region free like PS4. Alll u- turns to make it more like PS4, the sales leader. Better online is only your opinion, not fact. I went Xbox, Xbox 360, PS4. I would have an Xbox One now if Microsoft had gone in a more game orientated direction with Xbox One.

[iain04]

Perhaps people would feel better if they didn't ever expect the X1 to out sell the PS4. Amazingly enough my X1 continues to entertain regardless of how many units it sells.

[JMyers]

MS has a good line up.... I think if they do a bundle with the MC Collection then they can outsell the PS4 in that month.

Can they sustain it though, or will it just be a temporary spike?

[_LarZen_]

The price for not focusing on games and gamers. Having a horrible E3 and PR nightmare. And having a weaker console then the competition is starting to show.

It's a great console but it's buried under 10 feet of crap.

[PhatGokuu]

Chances are it wont outsell ps4 at all this holiday and will loose this console gen there loosing the tablet and phone war but will they stop selling surface or windows phone of course not sony winning with a great quality product is not a shock gamers should be happy there reaping the rewards with that being said Fuck You fuck You Your Cool and im out

[Azzanation]

X1 doesn't have to outsell the PS4, it only has to be successful. Which it is. Great, Software/Controller/Games/Serv ice.

[voltron420170]

Microsoft has already started the marketing campaign blitz.. It will outsell PS4 this season.. they have better exclusives. Just wait till the MCC drops it is going to wipe the floor with the indiestation 4