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Two Big Surprises in Yesterday's NPD Report

Yesterday afternoon, the NPD released their latest numbers on the videogame industry.

The big surprises?

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Silver3603568d ago (Edited 3568d ago )

Watchdogs selling better on 360 than X1 is not a surprise. 80 million consoles compared to what can at best be called 5 million. It is also not a surprise it is selling best on PS4. Sony had the marketing deal with this game. They paid for the advertising so they would get better sales. It's just like CoD sells better on xbox. Advertising deals make a difference. Obvious very obvious.

n4rc3567d ago

That makes too much sense.. Lol

What I find surprising is Xbox one outselling ps3 for watchdogs.. Could be more then one factor there but I'd assume it shows a lot more ps3 users jumped to next gen vs 360 gamers.

johndoe112113567d ago

What???? How how how does that show that???????

Funantic13567d ago

Oh I still play on my 360. I sold my PS3 to help buy my PS4 and Xbox One.

bicfitness3567d ago

@John When you look at the NPD software data, it lists the platform that sold the most>least of a particular piece of software like this:

Watchdogs 900K (PS4/360/PS3/X1)

That's not exact, and I'm not too inclined to find the source or get a screencap, but it gives you an idea of how they lay things out.

AndrewLB3567d ago

While the PS3 had more console sales than 360, the fact remains that Xbox sold substantially more games. About 50 million more games in fact. Plus since everyone knows the 360 was making a profit far earlier in the product cycle, it's safe to say the 360 was more successful.

And don't forget, there are a LOT of people out there who bought a PS3 just for the excellent bluray player. At the time, it beat out any sub $1000 player available. My parents have a PS3 that's never played a single game. lol.

tommygunzII3567d ago (Edited 3567d ago )

Could be a barometer of content.

I still have so many games to finish and more to start on PS3 IGC that I never once considered buying Watch Dogs at launch.

mayberry3567d ago

It was a very common perception last gen that a majority of playstation 3 buyers were the "breadwinners"of thier households, and the 360 fanbase were younger, so more dependant on others to purchase console and games etc.. so I'd. assume it would be also easier for ps3 adopters to move on to the ps4 now. That would explain the ps4 base outselling ps3 in watchdogs, and would explain why the 360 fanbase outsdold watchdogs than the xb1. imho.

arkard3566d ago

@andrewlb your forgetting about the RROD that cost Microsoft 1 billion $, I'm thinking that ate into profits a little.

UltraNova3566d ago (Edited 3566d ago )

@AndrewLB

Ok lets assume some people bought a ps3 for blu-rays, did you conveniently forget all those double and triple 360 sales due to the RROD?

Fact? PS3 sold more while costing more the entire gen and releasing a year later.

After all that crap the ps3 had to deal with the no games, price tag etc it still came on top. MS made money of xbox live (while PSn was free) cause that 50 million more game sales profits were negated by the 1 billion in RRod repairs/guarantee.

Do you call that as 'safe to assume the 360 was more successful'?

Nice try AndrewLB...

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mkis0073567d ago (Edited 3567d ago )

You kind of contradict yourself. Ps4 is to ps3 as Xbox one is to xbox 360.

Why does the ps4 version sell better than its predecessor and not the xbox one?

@n4rc That is sooo much spin.You could say the exact same thing for 360 users jumping to ps4.

n4rc3567d ago

How so?

360 outsold x1.. Makes sense since its 80m vs 5m

But when 5m beats 80m (ps3) then its not quite so obvious.

Its paints the picture of more ps3 owners jumping to ps4 then 360 owners jumping to x1

Spin would be trying to make that seem like 360 users going to ps4..

MysticStrummer3567d ago

"Its paints the picture of more ps3 owners jumping to ps4 then 360 owners jumping to x1"

No it doesn't.

bicfitness3567d ago

@n4rc The only picture it paints, is that of the "next-gen" consoles, the PS4 is the only one with a healthy, constant, 3rd party attach rate. Any other speculation is unfounded.

dirkdady3567d ago

It's simple really, most hardcore Xbox 360 owners jumped over to the ps4 and bought watchdogs. That's how watchdogs sold more on ps4 than x360 as hardcore audience are the ones who would buy that game more so than casuals. I believe Andrew House said around 30% of ps4 owners never had PSN before.

pandaboy3567d ago

n4rc conveniently ignored the fact that there are nearly 20 million more 360s than ps3s in the US and acts surprised when the 360 Watch Dogs can outsell the xbox one and the ps3 version can't. It's hilariously idiotic.

mkis0073567d ago

@n4rc

...But then ps4's 8-9 million beat beat out xbox 360's 83 million. How do you wiggle out of that one?

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ShowGun9013567d ago

...one thing tho. Watchdogs selling better on PS4 than on the 360 IS a big deal, considering the gap between them is 9mil-ish VS 80mil. Advertising doesnt make up for an install base difference of almost 10X. Advertising deals do make a difference, but the attach rates for this game on the 360 vs the PS4 are dramatically different, which shows PS4 users are out spending the most money on games. This is HUGE to developers. Why do awesome games come out on ios first and android second? because ios users spend about twice the money per user as android users do.

http://www.businessinsider....

this kinda thing is what decides which is a lead platform for devs, not other petty crap this site dwells on. thats why sales ARE important whether some want to admit it or not.

christian hour3567d ago

Agreed on everything, but as for ios>android, the reason apps come out for ios first is because every iphone is gonna be the same in the package, kinda like a console, whereas every phone that uses android is exponentially different, kinda like a pc. Takes long to optimize your app to run across multiple phones and versions of android than it does to optimize your app to run across iphones with various versions of iOs. Just felt like pointing that out ;)

ShowGun9013567d ago

@christian hour

http://www.businessinsider....

as this article states, it is the fragmentation problem too, (no problem is simple usually!) but attach rate CANNOT be overstated. two of the 3 reasons have to do with consumer purchasing patterns.

Devs want to know what percent of the install base will purchase their game, and they can pretty reliably go by the history of the system. the 360 got off to a quick lead, and its attach rate for software was ALWAYS higher than the ps3. Thats what devs wanna see! who cares if both systems have 80mil sold if they'll purchase twice as many copies on the 360, that will be the lead platform. it wasnt just COD, almost all 3rd party games sold more on the 360.

watchdogs selling more on ps4 than anywhere else (even with a tiny install base) is a good trend for sony, one that ensures the ps4 will be the lead console for almost every dev. IF this trend doesn't reverse.

horndog3567d ago

Actually ps4 selling more copies of watchdogs than 360 tells you that ps4 owners are desperate for any mediocre game and who can blame them since all they got is indies.

MannGamer3567d ago

@Horndog you are so right that is why all PS4 owners in big desperation sold their PS4 in March in big mass to buy the Xbox One TitanFall bundle which resulted in PS4 winning March NPD with no problem cause everyone was desperate to get that Titanfall, the most hyped game of any generation :-). / Sarcasm

mixolydian_id3567d ago

With respect to previous comments...

Ps4 users have had watch dogs marketed towards them since 2 x E3s ago.
Not saying everyone has but I see a lot more of my friends with neither console... Or both.
I deduct that people preferring to play it on the ps4
Xb1 players may boycott the game, or pick it up preowned later on... There are other games approaching in the next coming months that could be must buys. A majority of next gen players still use there old systems frequently while they wait for the install base to catch up.
360 players are aware that next to pre-gen ports are still highly playable and even another taster of the next gen experience will suffice till the expendable income of parents/job has been made available. It's can't say I know many people who play dead space and grand theft auto through on a regular basis, it'll likely that they'll get benched when completed, or sold.
PS3 players will likely wait for the instalment on the next console, pick it up at a discount preowned.

It is intriguing about the discrepancy and everyone can only speculate as to why this is. I personally have played titanfall to death and really enjoyed the pre-gen experience so much that I probably won't even bother getting it a second time in the future.

It does suck how developers are damn near forced to release AAA titles cross platform. Ii feel it damages the integrity of the work... On the contray, I love that it is a more affordable method of playing newer exciting experiences.

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Sharius3567d ago

i don't understand your logic at all, why watch_dog sold more on 360 than xbone isnt a suprise but sold more on PS4 than any other platform is the common sense, it's not like PS4 was release a century ahead all of these platform, is it?

slasaru013567d ago

Because people: 1) don't want to buy unoptimized quick ports; 2) saving money for future cool games like Sunset Overdrive, Forza Horizon 2, Halo; 3) dont't like UBI games; 4) feel like the difference in graphics between last gen and next gen not that big, so they choose last gen. PS4 bought this game because they don't so much choice or future coming games to save money

mhunterjr3567d ago

Yeah i don't understand why any if this would be considered a surprise at all...

lemoncake3567d ago

If anything it shows that xbox 360 owners are waiting before making the jump to next gen, ps3 users are upgrading much quicker.

Magicite3567d ago

although I hoped PS4 will beat X1 in June, I had my doubts, so this was the thing that surprised me, everything else was quite predictable.

BitbyDeath3567d ago

'It's just like CoD sells better on xbox.'

Used to sell better on Xbox. It now sells better on PS4.

Twiggytree33566d ago

80 million is the number "units" sold. not the number of xbox users there is. not saying it should have sold better on the one but just saying.

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chrissx3567d ago

Its not a suprise watchdogs sold more on Ps4. It was marketed on the console plus Ps4 is selling more than the bone. Also millions still have their 360 so the NPD I might say is as expected

Goku7813567d ago

Its not a surprise but just sad Xbox One cant out sell the 360. Meanwhile, Im playing Destiny right now enjoying it. Have a beta code someone, have fun on PS4! ML24-75N2-7K2N

Ezz20133567d ago (Edited 3567d ago )

what was a surprise (well, not really...at least for me)
was ps4 outselling xbox yet again

after most were saying the kinectless will change everything
since they thought ps4 is only outselling xboxone because the price

mhunterjr3567d ago (Edited 3567d ago )

I don't think ANYONE thought that price was the ONLY reason ps4 is outselling xb1. I don't recall anyone saying that simply matching the ps4's price would instantly lead to MS having the sales advantage. There's still the issue of poorer performing Multiplats. These NPD numbers show that price is definitely a major reason, though.

Spotie3567d ago (Edited 3567d ago )

Nearly every article about the difference in sales has at least one person attributing the PS4's advantage to the price only.

It's stupid. As stupid as people thinking the second wave of countries is gonna be a significant boost to the XB1's sales. And we know how frequently that gets tossed around.

mhunterjr3567d ago (Edited 3567d ago )

@spotie

I'm not sure what articles you were reading, but the consensus I've seen has been the xb1 is overpriced AND underpowered when compared the ps4. The price drop only MATCHES the ps4 in price, so the perception from many would be that it's still overpriced for the amount of power...

I just don't recall any articles that suggested that simply MATCHING the ps4 in price would make the xb1 the better deal in the eyes of customers.

Outside_ofthe_Box3567d ago

***"I don't think ANYONE thought that price was the ONLY reason ps4 is outselling xb1."***

Plenty of people have said price was the only reason. Others have also said "hype" was the only reason.

Chevalier3564d ago

That could be said maybe if the high sales continued for months then you can make the conclusion that price is the major issue, but, drawing that conclusion based on one month sales bump? Just look at this weeks current global sales, where PS4 doubles Xbox One. If things return to the way it was before then it might also be more about perception of value. I would say to see how their Christmas season goes with lower price and Halo MCC.

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BillmadeAGate3567d ago

Systems by Popularity = PS4, Xbox 360 , Xbox One , PS3, Wii U. Hmmmm sounds about right.

OfficerDewey3566d ago

**Last gen and current list goes like this. Wii, PS3 , XB360 , PS4 , Wii U ,XB1. ** This is no imaginary popularity contest. Handhelds not included.

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The entire WatchDogs series is 87% off and it's not even Black Friday

If you are looking for a bargain, check out the huge discounts across the entire WatchDogs series on Steam.

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Watch Dogs Deserves A Remake, More Than Ever

With the world of information and technology, privacy and security growing every day, Watch Dogs deserves another chance in the spotlight, now more than ever.

RaidenBlack1001d ago

The only Ubi title that deserves a faithful remake right now is Splinter Cell 1.
All 2014+ Ubi titles are just underwhelming. Especially ones from 2016+ are just cancer.

LucasRuinedChildhood1001d ago (Edited 1001d ago )

Seriously, are we so far removed from Ubisoft actually making good games that people now praise Watch_Dogs in retrospect?

"Watch_Dogs has remained one of my favourite games of the last ten years." Jesus Christ.

HankHill1001d ago

I remember being so disappointed in Watch Dogs when I played it at release. It was alright, but I think I fell for the hype and I needed a game to play on my new PS4.

obidanshinobi1001d ago

This is what happens when mediocrity gets praised as good.
Standards are slipping across the whole entertainment industry.
What was once considering rubbish is now considered as OK, what once was OK is now being praised as good etc etc.

LamerTamer1000d ago

Everyone has their own likes. I liked it a lot myself. I played through it twice and liked the car chases and the open world with fairly decent environments and missions. It suffered from the whole downgrade thing where they showed graphics that weren't actually there. No game will appeal to everyone but it was still ambitious for it's time.

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gantarat1001d ago

assassin's creed 1 should get a remake.

ExBee1001d ago

For certain! AC1 was brilliant at the time but with new graphics and gameplay it would be amazing! Do you prefer old combat or new though?

RaidenBlack1001d ago

I'd say a reimagining of AC1.
I direct AC1 remake would be a bad idea. It'll need better story pacing and significant better world building.

BlaqMagiq11000d ago

Old. Let it play like how it did with AC2-Syndicate style gameplay but refine the setting and story.

Profchaos1001d ago

It would need a lot changed for it to be enjoyable again as even back in 2007 on launch we were all complaining about it's repetitive gameplay go here perform one of three side quests repeat then assassination now do it over and over until a big battle with a unforgiving checkpoint system.

BlaqMagiq11000d ago

Absolutely. It needs it. The only AC I truly didn't enjoy.

chicken_in_the_corn1000d ago

I'd prefer it didn't. Ubisoft would make it so bloated, it wouldn't be anywhere near the original

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smolinsk1001d ago (Edited 1001d ago )

Absolutely, this watch dogs legion was terrible boring.

Profchaos1001d ago (Edited 1001d ago )

As a fan of the franchise legion was garbage and I regretted my purchase for the first time in the franchise the entire thing felt like an experiment in NPC behaviour and released without the writers input on what makes a good story.

I don't think I'm alone in that feeling though as wrench and Aiden are brought back and the campaign was rewritten to fit them.

I am tempted to buy the season pass to play it again with Aiden but fool me twice shame on me I'm waiting for a deep sale

camel_toad1001d ago

Agreed. Despite the annoying hipness of the characters in part 2 I thought it was a really fun game. I was extremely disappointed and surprised at how many steps back they took with Legion. You'd think it was made by an entirely different team. Or was it?

It was just so devoid of fun.

LamerTamer1000d ago

Honestly one of my biggest annoyances with Legion is that they took out the camera views for the driving. I mean the behind the car view that they stuck us with is near unplayable. I always used a first person driving view. After two releases why did they take OUT features? I don't get it.

TheSinsibleOne1001d ago

The fist watchdog game was the best by far
After that they weren't weird and annoying with that hipster stuff. Aiden was a badass.

LamerTamer1000d ago

I thought so at first too. I got used to it and it ended up being good after some play time. I just had to give it a chance.

TheEnigma3131001d ago

Remake the PoP series from xbox/ps2/gc era

RaidenBlack1001d ago

They are remaking Sands of Time.

TheEnigma3131001d ago

That's good news. Hopefully it's done right.

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Inside the Driver game that died so that Watch Dogs could live

From VG247: "When cars slide, they leave tyre marks. In a game like Driver, they’re an aesthetic touch, part of the inherent cool of a handbrake turn. But those dark shadows in the road also tell a story. From tyre marks, you can determine the speed of a vehicle, when it started to skid, and its ultimate direction of travel – long after the car itself has vanished into the distance."

vallencer1065d ago

Different spellings in different parts of the world friend. Tyre is a correct way to spell it.

Pridefall1065d ago

Dunno why you got downvpted when tyre is correct in Australia.

mikefizzled11065d ago

The mystery that is En Fore Gee

neutralgamer19921065d ago

Give us driver San Francisco remastered

IGiveHugs2NakedWomen1065d ago

Why did they stop making some of the best games ever? Driver was one of them.

Gameseeker_Frampt1065d ago

Assassins Creed 2 showed Ubisoft how to make money and Far Cry 2 showed them that gamers don't like complex ideas. Now Ubisoft just turns out games that are just variations of the same thing.

WeAreLegion1065d ago

Best driving mechanics ever made. Nothing has come close.

Gardenia1065d ago

A story driven game with pure driving gameplay. I'd love to see a new Driver game or a remake of the first one.

ApocalypseShadow1065d ago

Yes. This one. A definite remake of the first without adding any ridiculous fluff. The first game had great physics and sound for its time. The start of the car in the beginning cinema I watched constantly. My father and uncles were big muscle and classic car freaks. Only thing crazy about the game was the relentless cops in the last level. Insane the way those police cars were and launched at you.

Bleemcast made it look better just like PC emulators. But would definitely take a remake.

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