Did Xbox One's eSRAM Pose A Challenge To Battlefield Hardline Dev? 'Absolutely Not'

"It seems that developers are finally coming to terms with Xbox One's eSRAM, albeit a bit slowly. Not long ago we reported that Visceral Games will be pushing the Xbox One version of Battlefield Hardline for 1080p and 60fps, but given that that eSRAM is too small for 1080p will they achieve it?"

[Double Toasted]

It did for all the armchair devs, most of which frequent n4g religiously.

[DeadRabbits]

I agree!!! As an outside observer I have heard nothing but negative reports about the xbones architecture so on balance that has led me to the conclusion that the PS4 is my console of choice!

At the end of the day you can squeeze a pig into a pretty dress as much as you want but you still would not want to bring it home to momma!

[Volkama]

I... don't think that's what he was saying. At all.

Also, have you ever tried to squeeze a pig into a pretty dress? They are stronger than you might guess.

[stiggs]

@DeadRabbits

Right over your head.

[GameNameFame]

Lol arm chair devs? How about real devs who said esram is problem.

In xbox fanboys world, the real devs who said negatives dont exist? Even though they are far more out numbering them.

Also, even if esram isnt the major contributor x1 lacks power in general. Not like esram was only weak link.

[cyclindk]

What if mama likes bacon?

[The_Hero]

Of course.
This game looks very last gen.
Expect 1080p on both PS4 and Xbox One.
But it won't look as good as BF4.
It'd be bad if this game doesn't work online like BF4.

[TheRedButterfly]

@ 1.1.3

The majority of devs I've seen say that the eSRAM is the issue are the guys coming from the outside. Mostly the NaughtyDog guys - who have absolutely nothing to do with the XO's custom hardware.

Sure, maybe they know something about eSRAM in general - maybe even from personal experience - but they have no clue what they're talking about regarding using it on the XO, so they need to keep their mouthes shut.

The majority devs who we've seen talk negatively about the XO's are the ones who aren't dev.ing for it.

[bicfitness]

BF: HL is 900p in the Playstation 4 beta. A reasonable amount of skepticism is necessary when told that it will somehow hit 1080p/ 60 on weaker hardware. I guarantee you that they miss the mark in either resolution of FPS. Or just look towards the recent Sniper game to see what 1080p costs you in terms of effects and performance on the X1.

I don't know how some of you folk don't suffocate on your own rhetoric. If you want top performance for multiplats, get a PC. If you want decent performance, a PS4. Passable performance? An X1 is your best bet. That system of selection and eminence won't be changing until the next generation.

[stuna1]

Exactly! I can't count how many times we as gamers have been told game development is going smooth and all the right cords are being hit with no missteps, only to find out during pre-release, someone getting their hands on an early copy, broken embargo or, after retail release, that major obsticales were encountered, there have been servere downgrades along with a host of problems. This is not something exclusive to any platform in general either.

We've heard the same song and dance with major franchises the most, with Call of Duty, BattleField and, Assassins Creed being the worst offenders. My take is developers will promise a lot of things to sell a game! So stance will be, seeing is believing.

[turdburgler1080]

Hey hey your bleeding all over the floor.

[BallsEye]

What are you talking about? DF comparison was pre-patch on XO. Post patch comparisons of Sniper Elite actually give upper hand to XO in SOME aspects (framerate for example) making the versions quite equal. Go read up, stop making things up/reading stupid comparisons where 1 version is un-patched.

Killzone on ps4 had to render in 960x1080 multiplayer to achieve kind of 1080p. See what I did there? Both consoles have to do sacrifices. Both had downgrades in exclusives to run in higher res (which is in my opinion stupid, pixel quality is more important than quantity, else minecraft in 3k would be best looking game).

[CernaML]

"Post patch comparisons of Sniper Elite actually give upper hand to XO in SOME aspects (framerate for example)"

LOL no

All the patch did was add a vsync option which LOCKED the framerate to 30fps to reduce tearing on the X1. PS4 version still manages to run at a MUCH higher framerate with ZERO tearing.

[Ju]

KZ renders 2x960x1080 @ 60fps. Interleaved.

[Eonjay]

You don't have to be a developer to see the differences.

http://gifmaker.me/PlayGIFA...

It goes back to what some were saying before. Would you rather have 1080p or more details.

[ThePope]

Haha nope you don't all you need is a screen shot oscillating back and forth quick enough hahahaha.

You're such a fool eon jay. So that's how you play games? Does that give you a headache? How do you ever finish games?

In some areas the X1 version looks better but I did see the comparison video and that screen tearing is unacceptable.

[Eonjay]

@ThePope

Its a comparison. Images and videos are tools for comparison, not for playing actual games. They give you an idea of what to expect before you make a purchase. Welcome to the internet where you can use tangible evidence to make claims about performance.

In reference to x1 screen tearing, the patch that allows you to disable the v-sync reduces tearing tremendously but locks you in at 30.

[uth11]

All that shows me is there's a difference in lighting or maybe color settings between the two versions. I can't really say one looks better than the other.

[dantesparda]

@uth11

Seriously guy? You cant see the extra sharpness and detail on the ground and sandbags? Or how the rocks on the ground have better details /more polys due to better tessellation than the X1 version? How about how the shadows on your character being sharper on the PS4 version? If you cant see that, then your blind. Plus the PS4 version runs at a better framerate with no tearing, not to mention better anisotropic filtering and AO and highr res shadows.

[ThePope]

@Eonjay

My point is if the differences we're significant it wouldn't take those kind of comparison shots, in fact if you moved them any slower it would take even longer to tell the differences. I guarantee no one could tell the difference between the versions if they were to just watch someone play (the frame rate would be the only give away, though I'm referring to texture quality, draw distance, etc).

This has been my point the whole time, some gamers are like damn look at this massive screen shot, or this fast moving snap shot, the differences when stared at are HHHHUUUGGGGEEEEE! And that level of pure fanboyism my friend is annoying and stupid.

[Blaze929]

lol we still talking about this?

[Not-A-Cat]

If it didn't pose a challenge to BF4 it will not have problems in Hardline, after all it's just a modded BF4.

[CernaML]

How did it not pose a challenge in BF4? It ran at 720p on the x1!

[assdan]

The problem that I've been reading from essentially every dev is that 60mb is the minimum they can do for a 1080p frame buffer without having to get too creative. So yes, the xbox one will have 1080p games, they'll just have to lower everything else to the point where the game might actually look better in 900p.

[nicksetzer1]

I still want to see how MS's tiling system will help build framebuffers in eSRAM.

That said , as good as this game looks visually running 1080p 60fps on xb1 it is hard to believe they had NO problems with the ram. However if true that is great news for xb1.

[Axios2]

Glad to see most developers becoming proficient with the tools

Funny to see these statements about ESRAM not being 1080p capable when all these are native 1080p

X1 native 1080p
Forza 5
Stryder
NFS
FIFA
Halo CA
Dying Light
Kinect Sports Rivals
NBA
TombRaider
Rayman
Wolfenstein
Murdered Soul Suspect
Child of Light
The Lego Movie Videogame
Alien Isolation
Outlast
Forza Horizon 2
Destiny
Project Cars
Sniper Elite 3
The Crew
TMCC
Minecraft
Skylanders

@ Gearskin

http://www.eurogamer.net/ar...

Only some cutscenes run at 900p, gamplay is 1080p

@ Bic-troll You're lying, show us your list

@ Bictroll 2, I name 24 and you name 12, you have a long way to go, maybe try digging into indie, lol. BTW BF4, KZ multiplayer, WatchDogs, CODG before patch, EA Sports UFC, The Order 1886, 6 just off the top of my head

@ D-riders, ok if you insist, let's compare 1080p last gen to this gen:

http://www.cinemablend.com/...

@ Zigercat, read Bic trolls comment more closely, he claimed 10 to 1 is non 1080p games, gone are the days when trolls used X720, those games are so few in number the goal post had to move for the trolls. I count 19, and TR does count as all the gameplay is 1080p, get over it

[falviousuk]

Don't be ridiculous, of course the xbox one can't do 1080 in games, if you would go through the comments on all the anti Ms posts on here you will see all the evidence from the users on here that the console is totally incapable of doing the resolution.

That list above is obviously fake and there is probably some strange goings on internally to make it look like its achieving those resolutions, whereas in fact its not.

Its fact because the commenters on N4G say so.

[GearSkiN]

I'm an Xbox fan but you're list is not right buddy

Tomb raider doesn't run 1080
Project Cars nobody knows
Dying light is the same way

[Team_Litt]

Tomb Raider is 1080p though. It is just half the frame rate.

[Ju]

Wolfenstein runs a dynamic 1920 line down to sub 1000 pixels.

[bicfitness]

The list of games that ARE NOT 1080p on the X1 is about ten times as large as that. And as others have pointed out, there are errors in your list.

[bicfitness]

Okay, "ten times" was clearly an exaggeration. The Xbone doesn't have that many games for such a sample, as we can see:

http://www.metacritic.com/b...

Battlefield, AC, MGS, PVZ, Ryse, Crimson Dragon, Trials Fusion, Watch Dogs, CoD: Ghosts, Dead Rising 3, Killer Instinct, Titanfall, and more just off the top of my head. Its about 50/ 50, which is pathetic for technology designed for 2013. 1080p TV penetration was over 50% in 2011, so these manufacturers knew what the standard was.

[Bennibop]

Check out http://www.eurogamer.net/ar... to see how well Xbox one handles 1080p!

[CJDUNCAN]

To be fair, some of those games aren't even released yet. They may promise 1080p but we know how that goes.

[MasterCornholio]

I think its just better to be honest and produce a list that contains the resolution of all games on the Xbox One and the PS4.

http://www.ign.com/wikis/xb...

The Xbox One is capable of outputting 1080P games but it isn't as capable outputting 1080P games as the PS4 is.

Just thought it might be nice to have a fair list because you can see which games are sub 1080P on both systems.

[CloudRap]

It isnt a huge difference I own both and BF4 looked fantastic on both despite the resolution difference. To a gamer it really shouldnt matter your not sitting there stariing at the textures on car tires because if you are you arent playing the game right!

[ShowGun901]

WOW, the full list is pretty one sided!

[uth11]

Nobody doubts that the Xbox One can do 1080p at all. It's can it do 1080p in resource demanding games.

Games like Minecraft, Skylanders, Child of Light, Rayman and Lego games are not particularly demanding and it better be able to do 1080p for those

[MysticStrummer]

This game isn't pushing any graphical boundaries either.

[Evilsnuggle]

Sometime I wonder about you xbonefanboys . Are you in such deep denial . Are you just confused or are you just lie in hopes of distorting the truth. We all know by now that the xbone has a entry level GPU and a very small cache of Esram . Xbone one has low bandwidth issues .Any one with common sense could see how xbone hardware could make it difficult to run next gen games in 1080p. Most game are sub full HD on xbone . The game that are 1080 are sport game , racing game or cross gen games. The developer of Hardline said they are trying for 1080p 60fps

Dying light was sub full HD on xbone at E3
Project cars resolution has not been announced on xbone
Sniper elite 3 run horrible on xbone
Both Dying light and Project cars have been shown running 1080p 60fps on PS4

Please stop beating a dead horse
Killzone mp is any full 1080p 60fps it used a different technique temporal reprojection . http://n4g.com/news/1469012...

[D-riders]

None if those games are really complez. It's like these games can run at 1080p natively but they are pretty simple games. Racing games ran 1080p 6fps last Gen

[coolbeans]

"Racing games ran 1080p 6fps last Gen"

Maybe Pixar's Cars games, but nothing else I can remember.

[thejigisup]

Wtf, cutscenes running at 900 and gameplay at 1080? That's news to me, albeit awful and funny news.

[DigitalRaptor]

Stop being foolish.

You listed indie games, cross-gen games and games that don't take specific advantage of next-gen hardware.

[ziggurcat]

@axios:

First of all, you can't count tomb raider or wolfenstein because they're not 1080p all the way through. That, and not all of the Halo master collection is 1080p.

Here's your requested list;

http://ca.ign.com/wikis/xbo...

Xbone: 17
PS4: 40 (I left killzone out in the interest of fairness)

10x as much was obviously an exaggeration, but it's close to a 3:1 ratio.

[ziggurcat]

@axios:

"@ Zigercat, read Bic trolls comment more closely, he claimed 10 to 1 is non 1080p games, gone are the days when trolls used X720, those games are so few in number the goal post had to move for the trolls. I count 19, and TR does count as all the gameplay is 1080p, get over it"

either way, it's an exaggeration (that he even admits).

and no, it's not 19. you can't count tomb raider or wolfenstein because the resolution drops in both of those on xbone, which actually makes it 17.

and oh, the irony of a troll saying that the goalposts had to move for trolls after moving the goalposts himself...

[assdan]

Yep, tomb raider is definitely 1080p (lots of speculation that it's not). But if it is, it commonly drops below 30 all the way down to 24. And everyone whose played both versions say that it looks blurier than the ps4 version (a sign that it's lower res). Sports game aren't typically very difficult to run. And indie devs rarely utilize a console's full power.

[josephayal]

eSRAM meh! it is clear for me that in terms of Graphics hardware Xbox One has a big edge, Ryse is arguably the best-looking next gen game ever

[Hellsvacancy]

"arguably" er..... no, opinion? yes, yours

[n4rc]

He said arguably. That means his opinion.

And you can argue it fairly well.. Its certainly one of the best looking games

[Bennibop]

Ryse also has one of the worst frame rates of any new gen game so far.

[GW212]

I try not to get involved in this console war weirdness, but I feel the need to comment when someone says something incorrect and/or silly. You've done both.

1) XB1 is behind PS4 in the graphics department. Everyone (even the creepy XB1 trolls) has come to grips with the fact that PS4 outperforms XB1 consistently on the graphics front. I own both and agree that's the case. It's not by a lot, but it is noticeable.

2) Infamous: SS looks materially better than Ryse. I own (and still play) both and can say that Infamous outclasses it in every way except facial animation.

Again, it's ok. It's not a huge deal that PS4 is the console graphics leader. I promise you'll live and you'll enjoy your XB1 just as much.

[thejigisup]

Bubs for you. Regardless of what system you have the devs will become much more proficient with eSram and pump out good looking games. Sony actually had the edge here in hardware hands down. There's tons of evidence proving this and its no longer worth debating. Ryse looks good but imo plays like crap, still enjoyable I can guarantee that if the devs had a chance to completely remake that game it would be leagues above the original, however if the game was made exclusively for the ps4 it would more than likely outshine the competition.

[corroios]

Lol of course they would say that the game is gonna be great. They want to sell it. Rez? No problem. Frames? No problem. AA? No problem. Lol

[Edvin1984]

EDIT:I typed this via phone see crappy grammar really sorry for that brain aneurism.

I see still no reason why people give a crap about this so much. Honestly, any one that claims they can see a difference on a 50" 720/1080 at a distance of greater than 4ft are lying.

Now before you get all offended and upset I am what you people call the Ellitist and I game on an ultra high end PC, but owning both next ten consoles as well I see no damn difference. Mind you I have a 70" Sony LCD 2013 model in my living room. I think this is just flame bait.

I want to see more articles with topics such as "Remasters=Lazy Less Risk dev" or "In game pay to win DLC". Focus on the real cancer of gaming, as this is nothing but argument bait. Major example is Destiny and COD get a leg of on other consoles why? Well because its cheaper then Sony/Microsoft spending own money on new IP's. Resolution gate is just to distract and create this argument piece with gamers. As a gamer and no a brand loyalist I will say this is pathetic behavior. Gamers need to unite and vote with their wallets, and encourage creative game development.

SquareEnix was one of the greatest devs out here when it came to RPG's, and now is a cheap cash now and I will buy their games after only reading reviews. Thats a problem during the FF7,8 era no one cared what the reviews were SquareSoft was king. Anyways, sorry about my rant here guy, but I hope I made some sense.

[bicfitness]

"I see still no reason why people give a crap about this so much. Honestly, any one that claims they can see a difference on a 50" 720/1080 at a distance of greater than 4ft are lying."

Umm, no, you may want to consider a check-up with the optometrist. Fonts, particle density, spacing, depth of field, and field of view are ALL affected by 720p vs. 1080p resolutions. Text is finer, edges are naturally smoother while texture resolution is higher. If you take a PC game running through HDMI out onto a TV and click the switch between the two resolutions, the differences are measurably and certainly massive. Console games don't come with that option, so most people would never know. They could, however, tell a difference between two identical sets, playing identical games, each in a different resolution when running side by side. Suggesting otherwise is ludicrous.

Actually, if you have FFXIV running on a PS4, you CAN swap between 720p and 1080p, and the difference is nothing less than muddy>crystal clear. Perfect example, right there.

[ShowGun901]

EXACTLY! FFXIV lets you switch rezzes, and if you can't tell the difference, i feel sorry for you.

my wife and i are playing FFXIV right now, im on the ps4 (1080) and shes on the ps3 (720) and the difference is HUGE! hers looks muddier and blurrier, and shes on a 57" tv, im on a 106" projector and it STILL looks crisper.

RESOLUTION IS NOTICABLE!!!

[rdgneoz3]

"Resolution gate is just to distract and create this argument piece with gamers."

If you were looking at articles in the PS360 gen, you would have seen comparisons on pretty much everything. At the start of the gen, not many knew what to do with the cell processor, so most multiplats looked better on the 360 and did for a long time. But as time went on, the PS3 got gems from Uncharted, Last of Us, Ratchet and Clank, or Killzone, which showed what the ps3 could do graphics wise. This gen it's different, they have the same x86 architecture / similar cpu, but the PS4 has better ram and gpu. And at the start of the gen, they were priced $100 apart, with the more powerful system being cheaper.

Also, esram shouldn't really be much of an issue if developers did any work on the 360. MS even called it the evolution of the 360s edram.

http://gearnuke.com/microso...

As for timed DLC, thank MS for the 50 mill spent on GTA 4 DLC. And Destiny / COD DLC is not pay to win, the 2 systems are never playing against each other so one will never have an advantage over the other. It's just annoying for fans. If you want to read about pay-to-win, go read the articles about Warframe and hoping Perfect World Entertainment does not screw it over with a model they're known for.

[GW212]

You made sense with most of that. I disagree with your resolution comment regarding what you can and can't see on screen. I have a 55" plasma and can tell when it's 720p or 1080p (I'll agree no real difference to me between 900p and 1080p).

Anyway, you're right that we need to drop this petty crap. We've been over it, we get it. OK, let's move on. Even when game-specific news pops up (new screens, new storyline info, developer comments, etc.), it still turns into some pissing contest. Boring.

[SliceOfTruth888]

Anyone who thinks parity between these two consoles wont happen with 3rd party is a fool.

[LazyGoron]

Just because there are games that are native 1080p doesn't mean the ESRAM is "easy to code for", etc.

It is more difficult to code/dev for ESRAM, it is more of a "bottleneck" (for lack of a better word) than what PC's/PS4 currently are using. That said, it's not impossible to use the X1's capabilities to make a solid graphical performance from a game.

@AXIOS: I believe the real concern comes in when the number of X1 exclusives (read carefully) that can achieve native 1080p is so low. Your list is great proves it is obviously possible for the X1 to achieve 1080p, but most of these are cross gen games. I would think it easy for BF: HL to be 1080p if the game runs virtually the same on past-gen consoles.

[Fishy Fingers]

"but given that that eSRAM is too small for 1080p will they achieve it?"

Was the author being ironic or just dumb?

[AD705]

eSRAM, the cloud, directx12, selling in china. Don't you xbots have anything else to talk about? it's always the same shit some secret sauce will make everything on the xbox one more powerful or how release in Country A will bolster sales exponentially.

[snookiegamer]

@AD705 "Trolling"

Pathetic comment ;/

[MorePowerOfGreen]

Funny that all the pro Sony websites are the only sites posing about XB1 specs and mostly PS fanboys tracking and trolling the articles. Are you joking? No one can be this dumb.

[Tedakin]

Why not just stay out of Xbox articles if it bothers you? Xbox improving in no way hinders or diminishes the PS4.

[VP37]

This Rashid Sayed character seems to have a lot to say when it comes to the Xbox One. There's been a lot of speculation about the eSRAM in the X1.

Stories about this dev says it's good, and that dev said it's bad. This guy says it's too small for 1080p and that guy says it's not.

Personally, I'll take the word of an engineer who actually had a hand in the design of the X1 (Frank Savage). I couldn't find the video of his presentation at the "Build" conference, but here is quick summary. http://www.dualshockers.com...

According to Mr. Savage, if the X1 is programed properly, it should not have an issue with 1080p/60fps. he actually says the eSRAM should help, not hinder.

[snookiegamer]

Some programmers are less proficient than others. Some cut corners, some just want as little development time invested or hiccups as possible for the money they expect to recoup.

This may explain why some Xbox games that have more advanced engines/assets such as Forza Horizon 2 are achieving 1080p, whilst other less demanding games such as Trials fail to do so.

I often wondered why, but I don't actually know for sure, it's just a theory. It'll come down to Xbox 1st party studios to prove eSRAM is not causing the hardware issues in hitting 1080p/60fps, as Xbox One engineer Frank Savage has said. FH2 is a good place to start IMO.

[sovietsoldier]

Did Xbox One's eSRAM Pose A Challenge To Battlefield Hardline Dev? 'Absolutely Not'

thats because its bf4 just with new skins. cha cha cha!

[D-riders]

So what's the deal because battlefield 4 isn't 6th and 1080p. So is hard line just a dlc

[asadachi]

I don't really care about the systems performance as much as which gets the exclusive game I want to buy. But man, I never knew there were so many diehard xbox fans who would believe it if Microsoft told them the sky was green.

[btk]

Of Course the XBone is a good piece of kit. Well thought out, aiming for 8GB, the eSRAM was a good logical choice, because GDDR5 to enable 8GB was not estimated to be in time for release. But it was in time, and Sony capitalized and now has a better, faster system at same cost. Comparing straight up the PS4 beats it hands down and always will.

[Flames76]

Of course not battlefield 4 looked better on the Xbox One than the PS4 even EA confirmed this.Also ryse is still the best looking game out period nothing the PS4 has out right now can touch it.Then you have sunset overdrive hands down the best looking open world game this gen so far.So yea no problem with the ramm

[Kennytaur]

Resolution is more than pixels.

And am I the only one who remembers the PS2/Xbox/GCN generation? The gap between Playstation and Xbox then was at least as big, probably bigger actually, in the Xbox favour. More powerful hardware does not necessarily mean better games.

[quenomamen]

Correct, it just some of those good games will be lower resultion on the X1 as appose to 1080p on PC or PS4.

[Kennytaur]

What I mean is, resolution is observed detail. That's (including but not limited to) texture quality, shaders, shadow quality, polygon count, tessellation, level of detail and importantly anti aliasing. Pixel count is overrated.

Sure native res is nice and all, but sometimes other aspects of the graphical makeup is more important.

[larrysdirtydrawss]

turdburgler1080 + 3h ago

If eonjay's gif is any indication. The only difference between the two consoles graphically will be very slight shadow and color differences. There goes that 50% more power lol.

its called parity,this is what devs choosen,its not rocket science.. the %50 is still there... you'll see uncharted blow this away graphics wise@1080p 60. devs are making this for many platforms and time/resources is really split and no console is given extra man power(certainly not the entire team) to get out its full potential. they pick a point that's good enough,and that's what you get... lowest common denominator

Kennytaur + 16m ago

What I mean is, resolution is observed detail. That's (including but not limited to) texture quality, shaders, shadow quality, polygon count, tessellation, level of detail and importantly anti aliasing. Pixel count is overrated.

Sure native res is nice and all, but sometimes other aspects of the graphical makeup is more important.

I wont say more important,but some are equally as important imo, textures/shading

[Tedakin]

"ESRAM is too small for 1080p" except for in the 15 or so games on Xbone that are 1080p....

[ShaqSoda]

If BF Hardline isn't up to par with the ps4 I'm really considering trading in my Xbox one for a ps4. I spent over $500, I want 1080p and 60fps for my first person shooters.

[Slick81]

Did it? Oh god did it?i have to know!

[sAVAge_bEaST]

BF/Hardline = BF4 mod.

We rag on COD, for cut and paste.. this travesty is 10x worse.

The BF hard core, must oppose Hardline/Cash Grab.

(Cut & Paste, was Our Main Argument, against COD, but BF "yearly" is not even close to innovating, just Modding)

-Done Son- F* EA!

[Slick81]

Actually if the esram is too small just how exactly will they achieve 1080p

[Goku781]

They are in this to make money, of course they are gonna say no, untill they need something to blame.

[bobdog626]

Last gen should have thought us well guess not

[Spid3r6]

Things are changing for the better....This going to be the norm people, deal with it.