If This Keeps Up, Xbox One Has A Big PS4 Problem

Yes, it’s early. Too early for anyone to pop the champagne corks, declare victory and stand over the other guy with the scowl of a champion. But Microsoft has a problem with the Xbox One in its war with the PS4 and it had better solve it soon or else it risks having a much smaller installed base, perhaps half the size by the holiday shopping season in 2014

[FrigidDARKNESS]

It doesn't have a problem. Xbox one is killing it with 5 million sold in 13 territories vs 7 million in 50 plus territories do the math. If both consoles were in 50 plus territories the story would be different.

[GarrusVakarian]

"If both consoles were in 50 plus territories the story would be different."

People are STILL bringing up this argument? The 13 territories that MS deemed the most important and the most profitable are STILL being dominated by the PS4. So how much better do you think the X1 would be doing if MS TOOK X1's AWAY from areas that aren't even doing better than the PS4 in the first place and put them into areas with even less interest? How different do you honestly think this situation would be?

You can keep telling yourself that the only reason the PS4 is selling more is because it's available in more territories, but we all know demand is the most important factor. Take away all of the PS4's territories apart from the 13 that the X1 is selling in....and it still comes out on top. Sony can afford to stretch out the PS4 across 72 territories, whereas MS can't because they are being outsold in the territories that they decided were the most crucial.

And it's 5 million "shipped" (to retailers), not sold.

[FrigidDARKNESS]

And how do you know the xbox one won't sell in the same territories? Im just saying you have no clue to what you're talking about.

[GarrusVakarian]

"And how do you know the xbox one won't sell in the same territories?"

The very fact that MS didn't release in those other countries is because MS deemed those areas not as important as the 13 they are selling in now. That's how i know. You don't sell in areas you aren't confident in.

It all comes down to demand. If you are losing in the very territories you deem most crucial....then you don't take units away from those territories to spread elsewhere. That would be a huge mistake.

[Kayant]

@FrigidDARKNESS

Go look at history and you will see. The same thing is happening.

How many units do you think we come from regions/countries.

It's not enough to make a major difference like sales from regions like US/UK/EU.

XB1 isn't going to be winning in sales for the foreseeable future anytime soon especially with MS's reluctance to show sell through figures.

[Yi-Long]

In Holland, the XBO officially isn't being sold yet, but many stores are now importing the XBO and selling them. Well, they 'selling' them, meaning they've got them in stock, waiting to be sold, but not all that many people actually buy them.

PS4 is still basically sold out here in every shop.

[mantisimo]

Sold through v's shipped.

I bet Sony are almost double actual sales now let alone by holiday 2014, which holiday ? Easter?

[opoikl]

Same situation over here in Belgium. You really need to be skimming the web constantly to be able to find a PS4, whereas imported Xbox Ones are just sitting there on store shelves.

[AsimLeonheart]

@FrigidDarkness

Common sense and historical precedent are enough to make that claim. What proof have you got to claim that Xbone will sell much better when it launches in those territories. What is stopping MS from releasing their console in those territories? They have all the money, and resources to do it. If Sony can do it with their poor financial condition and demand outstripping supply everywhere then why cant MS with hundreds of thousands of consoles sitting on store shelves? The reason is that MS knows that it is no use trying to compete in those territories. Launching in those territories is just an afterthought and a formality. Do you seriously think launching in Japan will make a difference for Xbone?

[Ron_Danger]

@Frigid

You can keep playing the percentages game, Sony fans (and people with eyes and brains) will use the actual numbers game.

XB1 is in 13 countries and still sitting on store shelves (especially in the Chicago western subberbs where I'm from). PS4 is in 50+ countries and is consistently selling out.

[joeorc]

@FrigidDARKNESS

"And how do you know the xbox one won't sell in the same territories? Im just saying you have no clue to what you're talking about."

He has a clue, it seem's it is you that does not, and not to be mean or anything its just to be blunt as an example:

Microsoft just now has 2 system on the retail market at the same time in the games console market, only now, the sales through number's world wide is they do not have as many retail chains world wide as Sony and Nintendo has, because to be blunt they have not had enough time to really expand the retail chain support in more places in the world as Sony and Nintendo has, this is not fanboy claim's this is just true blunt logistic's. Microsoft has not been in this part of the market industry in consumer electronics for game consoles as sony and Nintendo has.

[Eonjay]

Exactly... you can't sell games to shipped consoles... only sold thru consoles.

Also a 299 PS4 would utterly destroy the Xbox. Microsoft has until Sony drops the price to do something.

[amiga-man]

in Frigid's mind he is probably delusional enough to imagining the xone selling huge numbers in Japan lol.

[alexkoepp]

I own both consoles and I only regret buying the ps4. Once it gets some media functionality back it'll replace my ps3 but at this point its just sitting unused in my closet

[GarrusVakarian]

@ alexkoepp

Yes yes we get it....you bought a PS4 and you regret it. What relevance does that have to this article or my comment?

You should have actually researched what you were buying before you bought it. You only have yourself to blame. Mentioning it at every chance you get just makes you sound like a troll.

[Xdone]

@alexkoepp

Cool story bro.

I also have bought an xbone just to say

Kinect: " turn on ps4"

[GuruMeditation]

Absolutely right Lucas, not only would MS not launch in a seemingly important territory, but historically MS consoles have bombed (or very nearly bombed) in the remaining territories. If the remaining territories make much of a difference I shall eat my Delsin Rowe beanie :)

[TheXgamerLive]

Wow sony fanboys. Stop being a fanboy for a moment and use some common sence. You are wrong and obviously wearing sony goggles.

[amiga-man]

Says the guy wearing M$ goggles.

[TheGreatAndPowerful]

The King is back!

[xilx]

"And how do you know the xbox one won't sell in the same territories?"

History. If you look at the 360's sales, the most major territories (basically the 13 the xbone is currently launched in) made up about 90% of the total 360's sales. When the xbone ends up launching in those other 50+ regions, you're probably going to see only a 10, MAYBE 20% increase in overall sales. I mean, look at Japan 360 sales, they're getting about 1000 (to maybe a few thousand) units sold per MONTH. Those are the levels of demand in the regions the xbone hasn't launched in yet.

MS's focus very much caters to the US audience. It's not all that appealing to the rest of the world, outside of there and somewhat in the UK as well.

[Clarence]

1. That's 5m sold to retailers not consumers.
2. Those 50 territories can't compare to what NA can do. Why do you think M$ chose to keep their console availble in the main territories.

Stop the spinning.

[UltimateMaster]

311000 X1 in March
370000 PS4 in March.
I don't think Xbox has anything to worry about... really.

Obviously, Japan is a waste of time for Xbox, but there are still other territories that Xbox isn't released yet.

So no, no need to press the panic button for the Xbox One.

[UltimateMaster]

If anyone has a problem is Sony with it's supply problems that they have.

[Automatic79]

@ Lukas you make no sense.

[frankdrebin72]

posted it before,..and now again...
xbox one with kinect,..classed by all as a multi media device...deemed by Sony boys that the multi media aspect is a weakness.
Now the thing is the ps4 released in japan and bombed...it is a hard market to crack.
xbox faced the same last gen.
This gen the "weakness" that some perceive as a multimedia gaming console may infact turn the tide,..as it would offer more diversity to such customers of the so called weaker sales regions of the global market.
perhaps microsofts " weakness" may turn out to be their biggest strength.
just a thought...but a logical one at that.

[solidjun5]

"Wow sony fanboys. Stop being a fanboy for a moment and use some common sence...."

Clearly, you haven't read any of Lukas_Japonicus's remarks. Common sense is evident in his response to Frigid. You seem mad that he proved how wrong Frigid is. Take off your fanboy glasses. Also, it's common "sense."

@MichaelLito: How does he not make sense? Yet you don't refute it.

[fonger08]

It's on pace to sell in the 70-80 million range and the PS4 is on pace for the 90-110 million range... I'd have to say that's pretty damn fantastic for both companies. But in the end it's all about the dollar profit that is created, it doesn't matter if you sell one or one billion, if you'd didn't make any money then technically you lost.

Also don't use math logic on this site... I'm convinced that 1 +1 doesn't equal 2 here...

[Kane22]

actually Microsoft said that they shipped 5 million Xbox ones not sold. they are being quiet about how many X1's they have sold.

[majiebeast]

Probably sold like 4.1-4.2 million to consumers. 800-900K on the shelves. End 2013 it was 3.9m shipped 3.2m sold. Fact that Microsoft doesnt want to say how much they actually sold doesnt paint a pretty picture.

[Anon1974]

Also, people have to bear in mind that while the Xbox one came out strong out of the gate over the holidays, sales dropped off by 70% the next quarter. By contrast, the 360 launched over Christmas and sales went up 13% the following quarter. The Xbox One had a good holiday but we're seeing demand drop off sharply. We saw PS4 units drop off after Christmas as well, as should be expected, but not even close to the drop off we're seeing with the Xbox One, and that's with the PS4 supply severely constrained while Xbox Ones have been readily available.

If we compare that to the Xbox 360, Jan-Mar of 2013 we saw 360 sales dramatically tapering off and they still sold 1.3 million units compared to 1.1 million Xbox One sales this Jan-Mar. And that's comparing a console in sharp decline, about to be replaced to a new console that's supposed to be the new, hottest thing.

There's no mistaking which console consumers are flocking to and you can bet developers and publishers are watching with keen interest.

[DK_Kithuni_71]

Microsoft will terminate/sell the Xbox division soon.

Satya Nadella, Microsoft CEO, is by no means a “gaming” guy at heart. After joining Microsoft in 1992, he played a crucial role in the company's enterprise team, and went on to be the brains behind the software giant's move into the cloud. He was even against Microsoft buying Nokia. Nadella wants to focus only on core services at Microsoft. Not gaming, not hardware.

Now that the Xnox One is a flop (and yes, I said it, it's a flop) at consumers the Xbox division is soon to be no more.

[xReDeMpTiOnx]

Microsoft is losing in the two most profitable areas being EU/NA especially NA where xbox brand "dominates"

Ps4 momentum is unmatched right now and is showing no sign of slowing where as xbox has been at a walking pace the entire time.

And btw 5 million have been shipped not SOLD where as 7mil ps4 HAVE been SOLD and not just shipped.

The territories argument does absolutely nothing just look at history

[medman]

@frigiddarkness
I see this poor slob is one of those unfortunates who doesn't know the difference between shipped to retail and sold to customers. His parents must be proud. What a success. LOLOLOLOL!!!

[Lucas22]

wasn't it 5 million shipped not sold

[AsimLeonheart]

Oh come one! Enough with the excuses and damage control! Why cant you just acknowledge the fact that PS4 is a hit and genuinely selling better that Xbone? Do you seriously think Xbone launching in Japan will make any difference? I think there should be a "stupid" or "stubborn" bubble down option too.

[xDHAV0K24x]

that's all fine and dandy but in NO means is the XB1 a failure or in danger

[Godmars290]

@FrigidDARKNESS:
How is it that its failing to register upon you that if the PS4 sell better overall, it doesn't matter if the XB1 is available at the same rate?

There is not some magic in which the XB1 will sell better than the PS4 in Japan when its available there. Its just going to be available there.

[FrigidDARKNESS]

Its not i know for a fact from a friend in Canada the ps4 isn't selling well. There is no supply shortage at all. Sony flooded the retail stores the last few weeks in March you can find ps4 anywhere any storein the US Canada Japan Europe and UK. I hope this info helps you people out.

[GarrusVakarian]

@Frigid

"Its not i know for a fact from a friend in Canada the ps4 isn't selling well"

Wow...did you really just say that?!

Your friend = Entirety of Canada?

How are people supposed to take anything you say seriously if you base your augment on what a friend says?

[SpinalRemains138]

Frigid,

Look at it this way.

PS4 and Xbox One are being sold in the same territories. In all of the territories they currently share, PS is winning.

Again,
PS4 is outselling Xbone in every single territory. Shared or not.

It matters not if Xbone expands to more territories since it is losing everywhere. Wherever Xbone will sell, PS4 will sell more.

There is no escaping the data.

[bluzone]

@FrigidDARKNESS I live in Canada. I've seen the recent influx of PS4's. (thank god).
Do you know what those retailers' say when I asked them XB1 sales: "they wish that the XB1 sold even half as well as the PS4".
I cannot speak for other areas, but where I live that's what is said.

[ColonelRex]

@FrigidDARKNESS:

Your argument just holds no weight considering the fact that the PS4 is outselling the xbox1 on its home turf in the U.S. If both consoles were in 50+ territories, simple math says the PS4 would still be outselling it worldwide.

[randomass171]

The problem with that logic is Microsoft isn't a huge name overseas. Their primary market is in the west. So we can't expect a huge boos when Xbox One becomes available in other territories.

[AceofStaves]

Exactly. Xbox isn't as strong a brand in terms of global appeal as PlayStation.

[Infamous298]

Microsoft basically put the xbox one in territories where it can get sales , what makes you think that xbox one will benefit in releasing in another countries that dont really care for xbox brand.

[iamnsuperman]

They were also key markets for Microsoft. The markets Microsoft were going to do best in. Sadly for Microsoft, apart from the US where the market share is only slightly in favour of the PS4, the PS4 has taken a huge lead from them. Amount of regions will not matter at this point since Microsoft have lost control over regions they use to dominate.

Current trends dictate Microsoft would loose out even more in those other regions they haven't released in (especially considering they have left the PS4 to dominate for the first year and they couldn't hold onto their stronghold markets)

[Belasco]

Frigid, it's a waste of energy to deny facts, the X1 is being slaughtered in sales, and it would still be getting killed if it launched in those other countries. I am an avid Xbox fan since the first Xbox, I own and enjoy my Xbox One. Unless the Xbox flat lines and goes sub Wii U sales, we will still be able to enjoy our system of choice. Sony wins. Acknowledge, give kudos and move on.

[GamersHeaven]

5 million shipped to retailers not sold* As for the territories crap PS4 had a week head start not Sony fault Microsoft was a week late only wanted to concentrate on there big markets.For your reminder remember 360 had a year head start with 200$ price difference still got outsold in the long run so what does that tell you? Yes Xbox One has a big problem competing with the PS4 but in all fairness it is selling good just not as good as the PS4.

[PSnation4]

it SHIPPED not SOLD.. dont get ur hopes up buddy

[zerog]

Apparently you are confused by math. The truth is out of the 13 countries the x1 is being sold in there is not a single one, not one that it has a lead in. Those 13 are its biggest markets and it can even get ahead of its competition in ANY of them including the u.s. which is its home turf and buys more consoles then anywhere else. So tell us again how releasing in all these extra countries that might make up 5% of total game sales will make a difference? If they're not even able to win in any of the countries they're already in what could possibly make you think adding a bunch of mostly poor, small markets have much of an impact?

[Magicite]

you are killing your sense

[Xdone]

You can't kill a thing that is already dead.

[GribbleGrunger]

It's not 5 million sold, it's 5 million shipped. There are approximately 7k - 9k sitting on shelves. If you don't learn to understand this, in another three months you're going to be wondering why the X1 is still around 5 million sold.

Every week, every month, every year and every generation, people make this same mistake, and every week, every month, every year and every generation, we end up having to explain it again.

[Oner]

I believe you meant to say 700k-900k Gribbs.

"Every week, every month, every year and every generation, people make this same mistake, and every week, every month, every year and every generation, we end up having to explain it again."

Exactly. I've been doing it for years ( http://n4g.com/news/1494088... ) and not one has ever proved me wrong. It's always just their empty opinionated claim without ANY fact, proof, links or supportive evidence to the contrary.

And they STILL try their best to to play down, deflect, misinform or straight out blatantly lie when it comes to what documented irrefutable truth.

Edit ~
Just found additional proof that clearly states Sony financial documents are Sell Through ~

http://www.sony.net/SonyInf...

http://www.sony.net/SonyInf...

[GribbleGrunger]

LOL. Yep!

Editing is your enemy on this site ... It's so close but so FAR way.

[Oner]

To make it a little easier just search both financial documents with the specific term "Beginning with"

Link 1 ~ http://www.sony.net/SonyInf...

Link 2 ~ http://www.sony.net/SonyInf...

It will net these results respectively ~

* Beginning with Q1 FY07, the method of reporting hardware and software sales has been changed from production shipments to recorded sales

and

* Beginning with the quarter ended June 30, 2007, the method of reporting hardware and software unit sales has been changed from production shipments to recorded sales

[Belasco]

Frigid, also, please stop saying SOLD, mostly because I am tired of seeing 30 people explaining the difference between shipped and sold.

[MeLoveRamen]

Frigid, there is a big difference between selling 5 million to stores and selling 5 million to customers. The ps4 has sold 7 million units to customers, where as the x1 has sold 5 million units to stores just collecting dust on the shelves. The x1 has prolly sold 4.1 million if you look had all the evidences, so there are more than 3 million people with a ps4 than a x1. Plus the xbox brand only sells in US and UK, so stop using that argument, because it doesn't matter what territories the x1 are in and aren't in because it won't help it.

[seanpitt23]

The ps4 is a awesome system and I love it. Sony really learned from all the mistakes they made with ps3 and made a perfect machine but I just feel abit sad that I have such an amazing console in the room but the lack of games is making me cry right now.
My ps3 is keeping me entertained right now with dark souls 2 etc.. But I just hope we see a massive list of games at E3 for both systems.

[Allsystemgamer]

It's not 5 million sold it's 5 million shipped. There's a BIG difference.

[Automatic79]

I agree with you but the fanboys in here are obviously not. Either way gamers enjoy your system of choice. I love my X1 the updates are incredible system really feeling futuristic.

[Longshot28]

5 million SHIPPED not SOLD.

[dale_denton]

5 million "shipped" to retailers.. not sold there son.. get your facts straight.

[frostypants]

https://www.youtube.com/wat...

[nix]

we need to have one more option under the "Minus" button - Stupid comment.

[greenlantern2814]

Again with this.
Subtract those territories if you want ps4 still out selling xb1, why don't you get it.
To other comments you made about your Canadian friend and ps4 being available in stores.
1: it is selling so well in Canada retailers have raised the price.
2: if being available in stores means the ps4 isn't selling than I guess xb1 really isn't selling cause it has been consistently available in stores.
This time next year you'll be saying 10 million xb1 shipped is just as good as 15 million ps4 sold to customers

[Flamingweazel]

LMAo your post is rife with stupidity. For one it's not 5 million sold, it's about 4.2-4.3, they are not selling thus many retailer price cuts. SHIPPED not sold.

2: the 13 countries MS is already in they are getting outsold by ps4, and account for 90% of total sales....The extra small, poor countries don't add much and you can easily get a x1 there now.

Xbot fans are like parrots. But, But esram, CLOUD, Secret sauce, 13 countries...idiots.

[frankdrebin72]

bugger me bandy,..you sony console lovers just ooze crap.
Not all of you,..but the tits above and below feel that it is their god given right to decide what I want in a games console...hint..i chose the xbox one for the kinect,..you chose the ps4 because??..thats Your choice..Your preferance
This gen has just started,..and although the ps4 is selling well for now,..unless you have the power to forsee the future,.
the xbox is selling better than the 360 for a more expensive machine.
the only people that hang onto this "war" is the extremist fanboys,..who rub themselves against their console and address it as tho it were a female.
get an fn grip

a word of advice to all the extremists,fanboys,the baiters,the trollers..
" it is best to sit there quiet and make us think your an idiot,..for if you open your mouth,..you will confirm beyond ALLreasonable doubt that you ARE an idiot

besides its my dicks bigger than your dick scenerio...thing is real gamers are being pushed away from forums,..as they become fresh meat for the tech,dev,,armchair guru,.who has all the copy and paste you want ,..all the time in the world to pm you with shyte that basically like a wee kiddie sticking his tongue out and his fingers in his ears at you.....i told you so..or some other shyte..they feel is uber important.
lets put it into perspective..
those that bought an xbox
those that bought a ps4
are you happy?
are YOU happy??
so for the suicidal ponies,..the hum drum boners....
Are you happy others are happy with THEIR purchase?
They bought with THEIR money?
The majority of peeps here should stand up and be counted in wanting a forum without the extremists,..the toxic bile that spews from their mouth in the guise of " opinion"..freedom of speech..tell you what ,..if you are one of the extremist ponies/ boners,...if anyone has sense you can have your opinion in a padded cell in the form of your own forum,..that way if you want to play hide the sausage,..others will play..hide the sausage..or trolling,baiting etc..your choice..just run around after each other passing the sausage after its found..tee hee hee hee tee!
well heres my one,..too much peeps on here spewing crap towards fellow humans all because they own a different console!...i take it you would be a racist as well??..
one thing discussing games play,tech ,.hardware rumours,..and i am all for banter,..but the armchair warrior who isnt a gamer..listen you are not..those that game know what i mean..feel free to add why they are not a true gamer,...whoever hits five reasons truely IS one.
And if i hit a fn raw nerve with anyone,..well least you know its real and not a copy n paste shit you guys live so much!

kindest regards
frankdrebin72
xxxx to all

[Hicken]

I don't get it. Folks can make STUPID comments like this and get bubbled up. Hell, there isn't even a way to bubble down this nonsense.

But let me call this ignorance what it is, and it's a personal attack.

It's utterly insane that this garbage can be perpetuated with no repercussions.

The number of countries is irrelevant. The XB1 is losing in all countries. Pick whatever 13 you want, it doesn't matter. The XB1 WAS selling very well, then all the fanboys bought theirs. Titanfall has failed to have the intended impact. Nothing else coming out has a release date. Cutting the price hasn't helped like expected. People still don't want Kinect. Microsoft hasn't fixed their image just yet.

And their fanboys cling to delusions and lies, both of which they spread around this site unchecked.

It's really annoying. I'm not used to people just promoting ignorance like this, especially while they stifle truth and intelligence.

[nosferatuzodd]

frigid you should stiop before you embarrass you're self even more, even microsoft know some countries are not going to buy their system places like japan thats why they stick to only 13 territories

[WilDRangeRrfc]

There no point bringing up this argument Sony fans seem to think that Xbox sells zero in these territory's for some reason,if Xbox was released everywhere PS4 is then my honest opinion is it would be at 5.5 to 6 million sold but atleast still a million maybe more behind,Xbox is still popular in most European countries just not as much as PS,I have both and glad I do,I use both for MP although prefer Live and X1 controller,I buy all multiplats on PS4 and BF4 online on PS4 cause it has the biggest community and better graphics,my X1 stays at home and I have my PS4 attached to GAEM on my ship in the navy,coming off watch in an hour gonna play some more ISS great game

[chrissx]

Ofcus this will keep up. Nothing can stop Ps4.maybe a console sent from the future can, but nothing presently

[randomass171]

It would take an entire crash to stop PS4s momentum. It's got all of the market share at this point. That being said, I think Xbox One will be a moderate success somewhere in second place.

[Ron_Danger]

@chrissx

"maybe a console sent from the future can"

I doubt it. Remember, the XB1 was beta tested in the future and we (except for Frigid, truefan, and green[fillintheblank]) all know how that's going so far

[MCTJim]

Another article from this guy. I couldnt help but notice he put in the market symbol for MS and failed to put in Sony's. Why I ask?

Far as I am concerned its 5 months into each of the consoles launch. Both are doing quite well. Sony's machine is selling more and Sony should be commended. XBox One is doing well also, but not as well as Sony's machine. This is just another doom and gloom article.

[Pogmathoin]

Lately lots of rabid fanboyism articles from Forbes, not a respectful source..... Naturally the poster is an acclaimed fanboy too, but aren't we all? Again, PS4 is a juggernauth, no doubting it. But X1 is not going to roll away and die. Market share is important, not always does more consoles sold though mean the be all end all, look at Wii.... MS will get as much out of this as Sony.....

[frostypants]

Attack the messenger because you can't attack his facts. Classy.

[incendy35]

The most important number this month is that Titanfall sold well on X1. If the games weren't selling I would be worried about developers not making games for X1 due to lower sales, but that isn't the case with the Xbox One selling just as many if not more games.

[Speak_da_Truth]

You have to remember the sales figures announced yesterday was only for the US alone we don't know how Titanfall did world wide

[incendy35]

True, but the US is the largest sales market for gaming so it is a pretty good indication.

[randomass171]

Considering that the west is the Xbox One's primary market, Titanfall SHOULD be doing well there. I'd be quite concerned if it wasn't. As for overseas sales, all we can do is play the waiting game.

[WilDRangeRrfc]

You can't say positive things about X1 and Titanfall the best MP game I have ever played on N4G,what are you thinking

[incendy35]

Haha so true.. Oh well. If people want to disagree with logic that is on them :D

[GoPanthers999]

Both consoles are selling well. PS4 has a lower price point, and price is king during the current economy. PS4 also has more graphical power. I happily play on an Xbox One.

[mantisimo]

If the prices were the other way around I'd still have bought the ps4.

[randomass171]

Can't say that I agree as a Sony fan. $400 is really my sweet spot. I had to wait to get my PS3 at a lower price when it first came out. There is a point where you just can't meet the value of your price tag for some consumers. I'm just not wealthy enough to afford it. :[

[nix]

if price point was the king then... everyone should have bought Wii U by now.

[ghostface9]

This dudes an idiot ya the ps4 is selling more but saying that microsoft should stop after a year if there not winning is crazy its outselling the 360 by a long shot I dont understand why everyone is attacking the x1 for not selling as well where are the articles on the wiiu should give up havent ever seen one even though its sales are terrible and its half the price

[frostypants]

Is your period key broken?

[ghostface9]

I am not writing a paper to my english teacher so who gives a shit

[Mankey]

PS4 has sustained an astounding rate of growth since it's launch.

[STK026]

I don't think the issue is as big as some would like you believe it is. Let me explain myself.

The PS4 has a lead on the Xbox One, it's undeniable, and it's also unlikely to shrink, if anything, it'll continue to grow. However, that's mostly because the PS4 is selling extremely fast; in other words, put the Xbox One sales against any other console after about 6 months on the market, and you'll notice that the Xbox One is also selling quite quickly, just not nearly as quickly as the PS4.

If things continue, in a few years, the PS4 will have a significant lead over the Xbox One, but the Xbox One will still have a huge install base. For example, it could be something like 50 million PS4 sold, compared to 35-40 million Xbox One sold. This gives the PS4 a huge lead, but also means that there are enough Xbox One to expect third party publishers to continue supporting the platform as it's too big to ignore.

I think that the Xbox One will fare better against the PS4 than the Xbox or the gamecube did against the PS2. I also expect the PS4 to outsell the PS2 with relative ease.

In other words, just because the PS4 is doing better than the Xbox One doesn't mean the Xbox One is dead on arrival. It is possible to stay relevant on the console market despite having a significantly smaller market share, as long as you sell enough units to be a viable market for third party partners. For example, OSX only has a fraction of the OS market compared to Windows, yet OSX is a viable platform.

[Mithan]

Who cares! It isn't like a few million either way matters now or ever. Stupid articles.

[DVS-Zev]

This reminds me of the PS2 / Xbox days.In terms of growth and popularity of PS2.It was like the energizer battery, it just kept going and going and going

[Belasco]

The PS2 also had over a year head start. Sorry, we had to hear that about the 360 all the time, couldn't resist.

[DVS-Zev]

i mean in terms of growth.OG xbox came out and did okay, then stagnated a bit with it's sales.PS2 just never stopped selling high volumes.It was such a weird, freak thing for a game console.

I wasn't trying to instigate any Xbox/PS2 sales wars.That horse is long dead and buried i think lol.

God those were the days tho.Best gaming years of my life during that era.KOTOR 1/2, Halo, Jade empire, GOW 1&2, MGS 2/3 and so many more.
*sigh*

[No_Limit]

LOL at these articles. Both are doing great as there is no shame in having the best selling game in the month and hardware coming in second. Heck, the Last of Us was the best selling game in June NPD of last year, but guess what?, the PS3 still came in second on NPD and I didn't see 200 articles about that. At the end of the day, competition will only make each brand work harder and get cheaper prices for us gamers. I have both systems and I can't wait for MLB the Show 14 next month on my PS4. I expect the PS4 to continue to lead in sales every month up until the price of both are even, which I think should be coming soon.

[Jeff257]

Even a price drop on MS part won't help as much as some people think. Yes MS could make a new sku that drops Kinect and the price while keeping the current one still being made. But Sony could just as easily come up with some skus to counter that. Sony has seen how popular the camera has become so they could add in the camera while increasing the HDD size from 500gb to 1TB. Now keep that at the $400 price point while dropping the price on the current 500GB sku down to $350-$300. That would easily keep the PS4 far in front of the XBOX One.

[HeWhoWalks]

Ironic that you use last gen as an example of what's to come, but then claim when both are "even in price", the current situation will reverse. **Newsflash** - the PS3 was MORE EXPENSIVE than the 360 the whole of last gen and the former still outsold it in the long run.

Sure, this wasn't the case in the US, but as we know, the US =/= the world. As the article suggests, the X1 has a big problem right now and price is simply a part of that.

[corroios]

Thats the problem. Microsoft cant wait anymore. By E3 the PS4 will have double the amount of consoles SOLD TO GAMERS, that buy more games and the marketshare will grow towards Sony.

What we are watching is the trend, people want more to buy a PS4, the cut price, free games is simply not working to compete with the PS4.

Talking about the cloud, DX12, Dgpu, SDK every week is not working either.

They need more exclusive games and this year only near the end that will happend therefore they have a huge problem in their hands.

[HappyWithOneBubble]

PS4 is raping XB1. MS is hating this and I seriously think MS will do something extreme like buy COD or a big name dev. They got the money to blow and buying Titanfall exclusive rights proves how desperate they are. Watch and see how just desperate they get when PS4 lead grow even further.

[mantisimo]

Hence the MS change of management into a friendlier, tweetier oh we are listening and huge games are coming group.

They simply had to! Phil is thrust forward as the friendly face of such a barren corporation, but I bet at night his eyes go red he hangs upside down and shaves puppies. Ha ha ha

[candy_mafia]

MS has until the end of 2014 to prove our Xbox One is worth keeping for the next 5 or so years. If we see no improvement in the quality of games we want to play (sorry but Halo 5/Quantum Break just isn't enough) we'll sell it (even at a loss) on Amazon.

My bf wants to let it go already, but I've convinced him to see it out 'til then. We're not waiting 2 or more years for DX12 improvements...ain't nobody got time for that.

#twodisappointedcustomers

[AceofStaves]

E3 this year is critical for both companies. IMO, Sony needs to step up and provide content to those who already own PS4 and give those who are still on the fence the reason to choose it over the One.

The worst thing Sony can do at this point is drone on-and-on about Project Morpheus or other technology that doesn't have that strong initial mass-market appeal.

MS needs to make the One as attractive as possible to potential buyers by focusing on near-to-mid-term projects. Mention those that are further out, but really come on strong with a 'These are the games you'll be playing in the next 12 months that you can only play on Xbox One,' type of show.

The worst thing MS can do? Focus on TV deals/other side projects instead of near-to-mid-term games.

[lemoncake]

Microsoft just needs to keep doing what they have been doing, both consoles are selling well. Keep the good exclusives flowing, good time to be a gamer.

[tgunzz]

The xb1 is a great console, but the price difference is the big problem. MS needs to lock the price drop down, and launch in more territories (which looks to be the case). A $100 difference is a deal breaker to most.

[leemo19]

It's great they sold 5m to retailers, doesn't change the fact consumers are still not really buying their console. Come E3 MS really needs to show why gamers should by a xbox one and do somethings gamers really want like removing the kinect from the box.
Overall MS needs to figure something out to get the xbox one moving or Sony ps4 will cont to run wild all over them this gen.

[hello12]

Not buying there console 4 million plus sold in 13 countries Sony 72 countries 7 million, not sure how anyone can assume the console war is over with an unbalance like this?

[nix]

*their

common... after 815 comments you should be able to make out a difference between "their" and "there" by now. you can't be that illiterate.

oh wait... you are.

[PrinceOfAllSaiyans]

The PS4 is just a beast. It appeals to everyone. Its gonna be like the PS2 days (maybe). I think the PS4 might hit 100 million 10 years from now. Sure their might not be that many games out, but its only been 5 months. As for the Xbox One I think it can do 85 million buy the time PS5 and Xbox (enter random ass number) comes out. The Titanfall thing probably didn't work out for them and Titanfall 2 is all but guaranteed to be in PS4 1080p too.

[FrigidDARKNESS]

You can buy the ps4 in 72 countries vs. xbox one 13. Still xbox one is killing it.
http://time.com/67954/5-rea...

[frostypants]

Of those 13 countries that both are sold in, in how many is the One not being outsold?

[DoesUs]

MS production issues CONFIRMED!

[hello12]

A fairer outline is how well Sony is doing in the 13 countries microsoft sells to, hardware sales and software games example. Uk software sales for example are going Microsoft way even though Sony has a larger install base in the uk currently. Why arent Sony fans buying games this has to worry Sony?

[Sheikh Yerbouti]

I thought Sony sold more software overall than Microsoft.

[Dark_matter]

Okay guys, I think frigid has got the message he doesn't need to be told over and over and over again, everybody on this site should know by now that it's "shipped" not "sold". what matters to me the most is the games, no matter what platform, you should all be happy of the games on and coming to the consoles, not dealing with sales or ips coming to the consoles, that's the manufacturers responsibility. we should be sitting back and enjoying the games that the developers work hard for our satisfaction, not squabbling on stuff like this, you should be talking about games, if not, your not a true gamer

[Sheikh Yerbouti]

"If this keeps up, N4G is going to need a Fanboy War tab...!"

First Time, now Forbes. I hated seeing the PS3 covered in tomatoes on EGM's cover, but this is brutal...! XB1 guys, us PS3 only folk went through the same ish last gen. Pay it no mind. Even if MS is a distant second, you won't be hurt one lick by it, but still...I'm not judging either one till I see some pre-order numers post-E3. I don't care if the WSJ says it.

E3 Prediction #1: Kinect-less XB One SKU.

[Flames76]

Took the PS4 57 countrys to hit 7 million and took Xbox one 13 countrys to hit 5 million in 4 months.The only problem i see is the PS4 is in BIG trouble once the X1 ships in another 26 countrys this september

[SpinalRemains138]

You'd be correct, but your argument assumes that MS manufactured 3x less the amount of units because they launched in less countries.

That is not the case. SONY spread their supply out and sold out everywhere. MS planned on giant demand in their strongholds and demand was not there.

They both manufactured about the same amount and only one has continually sold it through.

Do you see why the territorial argument is nit valid now? You cannot just assume that MS go up when more territories are involved. It doesn't affect manufacturing. X number of machines lumped up or spread out is still x number of machines.