Another Twitter Fight Within The Gaming Community? Dan Staphelton Vs Angry Joe.

Dan Staphelton of IGN picking a fight with Angry Joe (Joe Vargas) over “misquoting” an IGN review in Joe's Titanfall review. Entire Tweet War included.

[corvusmd]

Not sure I care about the whole reason WHY the fight started, but this is my only experience with "Angry Joe"...don't know anything else about him, but if this is the maturity in which he handles everything he does, he should be taken as a serious reviewer of anything. His "go-to's" were to almost immediately start name-calling and trying to be-little the other person. "When you resort to attacking the messenger and not the message, you have lost the debate" -Addison Whithcomb. Again, I admit that this is the only thing I know about him, maybe it was an off day (and I'm not saying the other guy was an angel either), but if you write reviews that (apparently, again I didn't see his review) that point out other reviews in a negative light and say he doesn't know what they are talking about...it shows you really have no confidence in your own review, and you're really just attacking other people for having a different opinion....that was then re-enforced when the other guy felt that he was being mis-represented and said something, then Joe went pretty much straight to attacking him and calling him names and stupid.

Again...I only have this small snapshot of his life, I could be way wrong....I can only judge the guy by this one twitter battle and the fact that he named himself AngryJoe... Just a bad first impression for me I guess is all I'm saying (then again all my favorite bands now I hated at one point so who knows... maybe he'll be my favorite reviewer someday).

[-Foxtrot]

Angry Joe doesn't try to be professional though, it's not his style, he's pretty up front about everything.

With AJ you don't get any bullcrap, he gets straight to the point

[ShinMaster]

Dan Stapleton didn't behave all that professionally either IMO.

[Brien]

@ShinMaster:

I don't agree with Dan all the time, nor is it my place to; I don't work for or have any affiliation with his outlet. However, I can understand where he's coming from as the Reviews Editor for IGN. He's defending his writer and his website--as the person in charge of review coverage, that makes sense. Maybe he could have done it in private, but from my experience, Angry Joe doesn't do much in private--he likes to air his grievances publicly.

Anyway, I don't have a horse in any raise; IGN's, Angry Joe's, or Titanfall's.

[just-joe]

I really wouldn't call a 31 minute video review "straight to the point".

[ovnipc]

Angry joe has conones! Im with you angry joe. That guy is stupid and his reviews suck. Every game has its flaws and its not bad to point them out. Ign gave cod and bf 9. They gave cod mw3 a 9 and was one of the worst cod ever.

[HonestDragon]

I don't often tread the IGN site for the very reason of their own forms of sensationalism and questionable reviews, but this Dan Stapleton isn't being very courteous here. He attacks AJ on Twitter on his tweet over the hype surrounding Watch Dogs because he acts pissy over Joe's thoughts on outlets giving Titanfall near perfect scores. And for what? To start a Twitter war? Twitter is how many in the gaming industry get in trouble. Apparently, Mister Stapleton doesn't realize that. Joe doesn't feed crap, he gets to the point and was quite right in that Dan could have just sent him a private message instead of blowing up on Twitter.

[BattleAxe]

If you go to Origin.com, you can see that EA has the "hype" comment listed:

https://www.origin.com/en-c...

[AngelicIceDiamond]

Definitely Siding with Joe on this. The problem isn't with the situation at all, its IGN's ego of a site.

I mean forgodsakes they were fighting like they do here on N4G.

IGN needs a reality check and a Ego check. AJ was using their quote and the score along with many other outlets quotes and scores to make as a point in his review.

But no out of all the outlets IGN is the one who gets hurt.

The funny thing is Joe did nothing wrong here but IGN felt the need to stomp over Joe for no reason basically. Seems like IGN is out to step on the little guys and bully.

I guess you can since they're being money hatted by publishers and getting exclusive preview, early reviews and office goodies from pubs and even free games. You can bully the little guys and protect the name of IGN and pubs SMH.

With that said I can't help but visit IGN. Despite there huge ego's.

The fight itself was dumb and IGN had no buissness taking it that far. Joe has nothing to lose but IGN does however.

In case people don't know Joe is an Xbox guy and a real fan at that.

[Kingthrash360]

all in all i beleive hands down joe is a real gamer guy.
he titanfall review was spot on and one of the few reviews i respected in the game.
joe is a xbox guy but he now owns a ps4 and he gave reviews as open minded as a true reviewer should.he called out thos 9-10 scores and was true on all fronts imo. i side with joe on this one. he may be angry and a xbox kinda guy but his passion is there for games, not brand loyalty. he earned my respect long ago...lol i still watch the rrod vid and the drm vids..lol
i dont even goto ign much anymore...they lost my respect long ago with their bias reviews.

[ShinMaster]

Here's the best comment in the article:

""I think the main issue is that, even if IGN did criticized the campaign, they still gave it a fairly high score. So it's like they ignored all the issues in the end.
The game wasn't fully featured enough out of the box to be $60. If you're going to make an online-only game and ask for full price, then the game better be packed, and that wasn't the case with Titanfall. It doesn't even have the longevity, modes and progression of other multiplayer FPS games.""

[ZodTheRipper]

I don't side with anyone here, both annoy me. Only that Marty guy from IGN is even worse.

[Gamer1982]

Joe is right though this is all over 0.1 percent which IGN thinks if they lowball a score by 0.1 percent it means there not favouring a game which they clearly are like with titanfall. They have done this in the past with games too and they need to stop pretending like its not a thing.

[Raf1k1]

Unlike the 'professionals' Angry Joe actually asks the questions the others are afraid of asking. I remember him asking someone from MS (Major Nelson I think) about Xbox One's DRM that got MSs PR person very angry.

I like Joe and the way he does things but if he makes a mistake then it's up to him to fix it.

[morganfell]

First, people should go back and look at what IGN originally wrote in their preview:

http://abload.de/img/believ...

What changed between that instance and the review? Did they unpolish the game? Why wasn't this mentioned by IGN? Fans say no, that Titanfall improved. Then why didn't the score go up since the preview comes across as if the game was a 20 on a scale of 10.

As one poster at Gaf put it, "IGN rode this game like a champion racehorse." At the last minute they attempted to salvage their reputation. Then this Staplehead from IGN flies off the handle because while Joe was discussing how journalists blew the game out of proportion giving it 9s and 10s he showed the words "Believe the Hype" from the IGN preview. IGN, splitting very fine hairs gave the game a 8.9 and felt that 0.1 difference was something for which a guy with a youtube channel deserved a public beatdown. IGN with their 400 plus employees going after one guy that took a far mnore in depth look at the game than IGN ever attempted.

This Staplehead was actually bragging they had 4X the Youtube followers. Okay:

http://i.imgur.com/nyDugib....

And before anyone states two different people wrote the separate pieces, the preview and review, you can bury that thought in the backyard. This is why there is an editorial process. An editor in chief insures a policy and uniformity among individual writers as well as across the section and site. If IGN isn't using one then it is their own fault for letting the school kids run the class.

But in this case, the former writer for Xbox wrote both pieces. He even messaged Phil Spencer recently saying he would like to do the hosting for the Xbox press conference.

This type of action with their preview bait and switch is the standard click inducing tactic used by IGN. It is dishonest, deceptive, and it needs to end. Developers only make games for the buyers by proxy. They have the writers and idiots at places such as IGN deciding what the public wants in a game and it is daming our industry. In sports journalism, most of those people do not actually play the game themselves and there is a limnit to how much a writer's opinion can change football. Also when someone puts out their opnion on a game it will not change the one played next week to any real degree.

But gaming is different and morons at sites such as IGN are using their influence to change gaming while they stroke their rockstar egos.

At the heart of this issue is something against I have railed on this site for years. No standards. Writers in gaming hate such ideas because standards means they cannot change their mind willy nilly because they want to ignore a ton of faults in a game they love or else they want to damn a game because it is on a platform they do not like. Standards mean there is something by which they can be measured and the last thing a worthless critic wants is to be examined and judged. Even the idea of a scale today used by crap sites such as IGN is so moronic it is ridiculous.

http://i.imgur.com/dAEb4UY....

It is obvious. The motivations of IGN are relatively clear.

http://i.imgur.com/SLQJc.gi...

If it isn't that then it is simple dishonest writing (they do not qualify as journalists). This is a chance to lessen the damage and influence sites like IGN have over our hobby. We are paying the price for the fact there isn't a decent review site left on the planet that is willing to be objective and openly qualify their findings.

[MoveTheGlow]

Wow, I'm impressed by the amount of Angry Joe love (hehe) on Foxtrot's comment! I don't always agree with Joe, and he *does* play up his persona a bit much for my tastes sometimes, but I think he's a great internet entertainer, and I especially enjoy his list videos.

Later on, he posted this: "Guys me & @DanStapleton have talked via DMs. Was apologies all around for the harsh words exchanged. We should have taken higher roads."

Not a bad end to the argument.

[Kryptix]

After reading the Twitter posts, Angry Joe was right about what he said. I think he should of acted more professionally, though he apologized at the end for using "harsh words," but still, he made a good point in his review about the overhype. Dan was just really butthurt about another reviewer's opinion which I find better than most other reviewers. 8.9/10 is still 9/10 to a lot of us like me that hate that kind of decimal system.

[Boody-Bandit]

@morgan

Best response on critics in this industry, EVER!
Most of the gaming media is a freaking joke. The only people that refuse to see this are those that use it as ammunition in these silly fanboy / troll wars. There is next to no credibility left in gaming. I hope more of these shills follow Adam Sessler right out the door.

[TitanUp]

angry joe is still pretty new to all of this, he is still learning how to properly interview developers.

this is a mess that should have just been left alone.

[DragonKnight]

The fact that you know nothing about Angry Joe, as you have repeatedly stated, makes me question why you'd then make a judgement post about him based on one isolated incident.

Even in that incident, Dan is being a class A a$$hat. He's saying Joe "maliciously misquoted" their review of Titanfall. He said "major outlets gave it 9 or 10 out of 10" with no identifiers in that specific statement, then posted a screenshot where IGN gave it 8.9 out of 10

8.9 out of 10 is a frickin' 9 out of 10. What the hell does a tenth of a point quantify as?

And he's really complaining about that tenth of a point and trying to say that Joe was maliciously misquoting it? Does he know what malicious means?

ma·li·cious adjective \mə-ˈli-shəs\
: having or showing a desire to cause harm to another person : having or showing malice

So Joe is showing a desire to cause harm to, who, Dan over a tenth of a point?

Dan is showing an immense case of butt hurt that Joe doesn't let reviewers get a free pass for overhyping and overscoring any games. He's done it to so many different games. Just watch his Sonic Freeriders review and see how he blasts reviewers for giving that game even a 7 out of 10 knowing how busted it is.

Dan is a child and it shows.

[randomass171]

AngryJoe is a little high strung for my tastes. I'm more of a JonTron and ProJared fan. That said Joe has done a good job of pro-consumer/anti-corporate activism in the past. When he's calling bull on something, it's normally not without good reason.

[DragonKnight]

I like Angry Joe because to me he's kinda like the kid brother of Tommy Tallarico. Tommy is my all-time favorite reviewer and, in my opinion, the best reviewer there ever was. He never let anything pass, he even gave proper credit to games of genres he HATED (he gave FFX a 10 even though he isn't a fan of JRPGs), and he wasn't above going off on rants for terrible games that deserved low scores and the associated rants.

That, to me, is what Joe is about too albeit less mature and more gimmicky than Tommy was. Joe can get loud, and he can cuss, but that's just like all of us sometimes. He doesn't let bad games get a pass for anything, he calls out reviewers who give bad games good scores, and he's more of a regular guy doing what he loves and trying to look out for all the gamers out there, whilst cross dressing in the process.

He's no Tommy, but to me he's the next best thing.

My favorite Tommy Tallarico rant...

https://www.youtube.com/wat...

[HonestDragon]

I totally agree with you on this. The evidence speaks for itself as Dan is the one who attacks Joe over Twitter of all places and proceeds to get pissed off over that decimal point of a review score and claim Joe was "misrepresenting" the IGN Titanfall review. I'm not a fan of the decimal point system in reviews. This especially goes for scores that barely break even when it's a .8 or .9 out of ten. It's like, was the game that short on expectation that you can't give it a full numbered score?

OT: Twitter is the worst place to start fights. In the short history of Twitter and the video game industry, you would think that everyone would tip-toe around it. But here comes Dan Stapleton rushing out like a pissed off bull that just got neutered and picks a fight with one of the most popular internet personalities around. Not a good idea considering Joe shared this image which made me laugh.

http://i.imgur.com/nyDugib....

Kind of tells you that IGN isn't this wonderful place that Dan tries to make it seem. Remember, Dan, it's okay to admit faults in a game even if it's just your own opinion. Oh, wait, he didn't even write the review. So why is he getting so hopping mad over it?

"Dan is a child and it shows."

Yeah, that would explain it. XD

[DragonKnight]

That image is beautiful. Joe crushed IGN into the ground and he's just one guy, sometimes joined by a buddy, doing this at home and spending his own money to. IGN is a joke and so is Dan.

[Gazondaily]

Dragon, cheers for linking the Tommy Tallarico vid.

Its given me food for thought.

Also agreed with you. I would have been even more vexed than Angry Joe was if Dan had accused me of something like that without any real basis.

[DragonKnight]

@Septic: You're welcome. It's too bad Tommy doesn't review games anymore, he followed his true passion with Video Games Live, but he'll always be my favorite reviewer of all time and any who are like him usually easily gain my respect because they tell it like it is and are firm but fair to everything rather than reviewing based on partnerships and other B.S. like IGN tends to do.

And yeah, Dan had no reason to start all of this over a tenth of a point.

[Gazondaily]

I'm gonna do the same now too with my reviews. Whilst I've always been honest in my reviews, I held back. Tallarico on the hand, he went all in. It's time I did the same. This is gonna be a game changer for me so cheers again.

[Bimkoblerutso]

Hah. I remember Tommy. I loathed him back in the day because he hated on Morrowind, but now that I have a little perspective, I actually have a greater appreciation for the man (even though Morrowind is still my favorite Elder Scrolls game, haha).

[JD_Shadow]

Not to mention that the comment about misquoting someone was said within a vacuum. The very first Tweet this site lists is Joe asking if people still are looking forward to Watch Dogs. It was not even the place to bring it up, basically derailing the topic the original tweet was about.

And keep in mind which MCN Joe belongs to, as well: Polaris. That's the same MCN TotalBiscuit is with, and we all know how unafraid TB is at saying what he thinks, and it's no secret that TB doesn't like IGN, either, or the battles he's gone through with various people. Bet you IGN realized that and knew they were screwing with someone who has friends in high places.

[Kenshin_BATT0USAI]

I hate how people think name-calling = lack of credibility. I've read the ign review, and listened to his video, this is definitely just Dan overreacting to criticisms as per usual. He acts the same towards commentors on ign's site.

[DefenderOfDoom2]

to Dragonkni.... yes, also seen that video (Tommy Talarico) too , a few years ago, and just watched it again . He is spot on in his rant !!! You should check out "SUPER BUNNY HOP" on YOUTUBE ! He has a intelligent take on the video game industry, and quickly has become one of my favorite YOUTUBE video game personalities !!!

[DefenderOfDoom2]

Well i do know who Angry Joe is, and i am taking his side! IGN has been around for a long time, and DAN did a terrible job representing IGN by acting like a crybaby on twitter. Lets be honest here, we all know that IGN makes their money off the game publisher's, by posting every little screenshot and game play trailers! ANGRY JOE does not do that! He pretty much just does reviews and maybe some gameplay first impressions! The only reason IGN gets a lot a views on their youtube game reviews, because they get special permission from publishers to post their review before anybody else on YOUTUBE ! Therefore they will not say too many bad things about the game and always good give a good score to whatever GAME STUDIO is supporting(PAYOLA)their site! ANGRY JOE take his time to do his reviews and i believe he gives his honest opinion! Heck i think his TITANFALL review came out like 8 days after IGN's TITANFALL's VIDEO REVIEW, and ANGRY JOE still got ten times more views than IGN's review of TITANFALL !And to "corvusmd" just one other thing about ANGRY JOE the name. He is a really nice guy, just like the ANGRY VIDEO GAME NERD , JAMES ROLFE, who may be one the nicest guys on YOUTUBE!

[SilentNegotiator]

I sure as hell don't agree with AngryJoe all of the time, but I respect him. He reviews from the heart and not the wallets of publishers. He's one of about 10 reviewers that I actually trust to give an honest review and that I respect.

However, I hate him from existing in Nostalgia Critic's Man of Steel review (even though that was PROBABLY entirely NC's decision). What a fanboy apology fest that was. NC should have destroyed that logic-free turd of a film.

[That_Guy2u2]

that .1 tho . . . .

[Godmars290]

Think the point is that the IGN rep started and continued the argument.

All Joe is guilty of is saying something when IGN's - nonsense - score was being displayed.

[andrewsqual]

Angry Joe was one of the crusaders in getting Microsoft fix the revealed Xbone. I think a lot of people have him to thank.

[RebelWAC]

When you are the s*** you attract flies. Connect the dots.

[thejigisup]

His name is angry joe... did you expect something else?

[Blaze929]

...who cares? Literally read the first 4 tweets and it sounded like two females arguing. What is happening to men now adays lol? smh

[mickaelmc]

I gotta give Angry Joe the win here. Dan attacking Joe on twitter like he did, wasn't professional. Yeah Joe called him an idiot but (lol) Dan started it.

[hkgamer]

angryjoe is pretty decent. He is a little childish but he gives reviews based on the gamers side.

He does favour content more and always nags on about the prices but i guess it caters to most of his audience.

What i do like about angryjoe though is his scale when he reviews games. he reviews games with a 1-10 scale unlike everyone else who bsically reviews games with a 6-10 scale.

Don't exactly know the full details, but someeone from IGN shouldn't have gone out at angry joe like that. He should have been more professional. Also it was stupid to say that to a internet personality. Angryjoe has over 100k followers, IGN guy has under 10k. It's obvious more people are going to side with who.

anyways. seems like they talked it out in private.

[hellzsupernova]

Really not sure why you got disagreed with into oblivion, but in angry joes review he calls out all major gaming websites and tells them they are way off getting on board the hype train. It was a good review of the game. He just gives an honest opinion not some over hyped bullshit opinion of editors who get flown out to special locations and treated like kings while they review a game.

[fr0sty]

People love drama. Couple of journalists/youtube personalities get into it over a social network? 1000 degrees!!!

[Muffins1223]

8.9....9.....same god damn score

[hay]

Not for the strawman.

[randomass171]

Or the oversensitive it seems. :/

[TheSaint]

Pun intended, Hay?

[hay]

@TheSaint: Actually no, the pun went over my head this time making a beautiful arc.

[imdaboss1]

no..its not the same. how the hell 8.9 turn into a 9? Have you guys download crap off the internet before? if you have only 99% you cant complete the download. Ever taken a test but you got 89 ? are you going to tell the your prefessor just give me a 90..come on now..it makes a difference..Joe is a dumb as

[Avernus]

Not sure if serious...

Comparing a video game review(score), to a download and a test...

For us mortals that don't give a shit about decimals in review scores, an 8.9 = 9.

[imdaboss1]

lmao.. you guys are dumb..he misquoted him too..Joe need to apologize ..you guys dont give a shit about decimals but your here getting all worked up on it.. pulls ya panties down you guys..

[imdaboss1]

Gaming community is just a bunch of retard ass people..8.9 is a 9? wtf wrong with you people..No wonder other countries our taking over america

[imdaboss1]

im going to give you 99 cents and you can go to the dollar store to buy stuff..lets see if it matter or not to the cashier..lmao..All reviews are like that , you know damn right you guys care about the score especially if you are a gamer..stop fronting bitches..

[That_Guy2u2]

dude its a score, if a .1 added to a score affends people so much just because people like to round then obviously you and don are the problem.

You cant compare an OPINION to REAL world value. no idgaf if somebody said gamespot gave cod a 8 when it was a 7.9 do i need to flip out over that one .1? Its childish

[SpadeX]

Someone failed in math in elementary school..
Look, 8.9 rounded to the nearest whole number is 9.I don't think it's that hard to understand such a simple equation. Don't bring up nonsense dollar store examples as they're totally different situations. Get it now? I can't believe I'm explaining this here..
Even my 3yo cousin knows about this..

OT: I don't know why that Stapleton actually got this immature to start this pointless argument, goes to show you how childish some of IGN editors are if not all. Grow up seriously..

[Muffins1223]

But what is the difference in 99 on a test or 100?It does not really matter,you still got amazing grade and they are basically the same score.

[SpiralTear]

.1 score difference aside, I think Vargas could've approached the conversation more professionally, even if he had no intention of acting "maliciously."

[Tony-A]

I agree. Although he refrained from the name-calling (most likely because he has to keep some sort of composure when representing a large company like IGN), he initiated the argument with his condescending reply to a tweet Joe made to reach out to his fans.

They were both slightly unprofessional. Joe with the name-calling and Dan with his "flaimbait" initial reply. If Dan had an issue with what he said in the video, he should've done so privately.

In the meantime, Joe shouldn't have fallen into the trap - although it probably got him a lot more subscribers online. My response to Dan's first tweet:

"I can't wait to see which reviews you maliciously misquote when you cover it!"

Would have gone something like this:

"Still deciding, maybe yours? ;)"

Yes, equally as condescending, but would have eliminated the giant tweetbacks that ensued and maybe even prompted Dan to speak privately next time he tries to act like a fool to rile up Joe.

[0nespark]

Something I should point out. Dan tweeted Joe 5 times even before he replied.

[fudgenasty21]

angy joe is just a random guy on youtube who does reviews. he doesn't need to act like a professional

[hay]

He's "Angry Joe", being not angry is kind of out of character...

[SpiralTear]

He wasn't "angry" in the Twitter conversation; he was just trying to offer a convincing argument and stand up for himself. There's a big difference between being "angry" and being passionate for your opinion.

He's smart enough to know when to turn off the anger and approach things realistically and professionally. I don't think he did that here.

Besides, he doesn't have to be in character 100% of the time. That's not how fictional roles work.

[hay]

I totally agree, Joe did good with that conversation.

[Statix]

"Professionalism" is overrated.

I couldn't give a rat's arse who's more mature or immature in an argument. I care a hell of a lot more about who is in the right and who is in the wrong.

[BluP]

Points for Joe.

This just gives me another reason to hate IGN and what they've become. Angry Joe is trusted for a reason, and sites like IGN and GameSpot are losing hits for (a) reason(s). It's not rocket science.

[Dark11]

I agree ..

http://i.imgur.com/nyDugib....

[Salooh]

Don't trust these websites too. But would never trust joe for a game review , he doesn't think like me , therefore he doesn't like what i like , he's not good at games and that's just one reason why i don't trust him, what's special about him is that he have a good way to talk about games. People like him because of that and for his character which is a good thing but not good enough for me. I respect his opinion though..

[BluP]

It's not that I trust him completely. Obviously we're going to have differing opinions as we're two completely different individuals with different tastes and experiences. What I meant was that I'm confident that if there's something widely viewed as negative about a game (screen tear, too easy, crappy game mechanics/frame rate etc) Joe will not only mention it, but elaborate on it. I'm certain he won't leave anything "big" out of his reviews.

[Mankey]

IGN a multinational conglomerate attacking one guy making videos out of his home. Not good PR.

[randomass171]

Really dumb idea on IGN's part. When you don't want to generate drama, you ignore the criticism against you. Simple as that, especially for a dumb reason like this.

[PsylentKiller]

It seems like this guy was trying to make a name for himself by attacking Angry Joe. There was nothing misquoted and I thought Joe handled this almost perfectly.
I happen to love Titanfall and disagree with Joe's review but I still watch his reviews because he is very honest about what he thinks of the game. It just goes to show that one mans trash is another mans treasure.

This other guy, Dan, is an idiot. There was no reason for the underhanded comment. He should bury his head in the sand because this whole thing is an embarrassment to IGN.

[Mankey]

True, no need to initiate this kind of argument.

[Revolver_X_]

Dan was a douche but he isnt IGN. Not defending Dan, but your basically faulting IGN as a whole over an Xbot employee having a b**** fit.

[That_Guy2u2]

if you work for a company your actions represent it as well. If a cashier at say gamestop gives you attitude for no good reason then that reflects bad on the store.

[Revolver_X_]

Reflective actions and representing a companies views are two seperate things. If you honestly think ALL of IGN feels this way about the situation then you are very dense.

[ArbitorChief]

Wow IGN, complaining about a 0.1 difference... IGN are pathetic.

[JediDiah]

Angry Joe told Major Nelson the DRM on Xbox One could easily be removed....Major Nelson was mad and said "are you a developer?"

[animegamingnerd]

and yet as turns not more then a week later it got easily removed

[cyguration]

They don't call the Major a "Flip Switcher" for nothing.

[scorpian007]

No it didn't, it set the Xbox dev team back months of time to implement the reversal which is why there were so many features missing at launch. Do some research first.

[aLucidMind]

Nelson didn't get mad or upset, he made a valid point in that you don't know if it was just a flip of the switch for a fact. It is sort of like saying Bethesda can de-bug one of their games with the flip of a switch, it takes a lot more work than people think.

He responded to the assumption that it was easy, not to the fact that DRM could be removed.

[fenome]

It's called allowing the blu-ray player to read the disk. It's not that hard to implement because that is what it's made to do.

The only difference was an online verification had to be made to prove that you actually purchased the disk, otherwise it wouldn't play it. Pretty much like logging into Netflix before you can stream movies.

It was a shady way to not allow you to play a game without purchasing it full-price, doesn't matter if you borrowed it from a friend or picked it up used, and it would have pulled this industry into horrible directions if they got away with it.

[aLucidMind]

I'm not saying it wasn't a shady way of doing business because it was. Their original vision and how they handled all who had anything negative to say about their original vision ensured Microsoft will not get another console purchase from me.

I'm merely saying that he was responding to the fact that someone said it was EASY to do. Only someone who is ignorant to the development process would disagree with me on how it is not easy to just up and change something a console or game is entirely built around without sacrificing the quality or integrity of the whole product.

[madara0sama]

Rofl Haven't heard that one. Major Nelson is a clown.

[Thomaticus]

I'll never forget the look on Major Nelson's face when Joe asked him that question.

[Bhuahahaha]

go joe

let the corporate commander or the other joe take care of dan

[wannabe gamer]

Do people really care about this garbage. i mean seriously why do people give 2 ^&%&^*% about either of these guys. i dont know who the ign guy is and if it didnt say he was with ign i would have even less of a clue and the only reason i know joe is cause he is so obnoxious you cant avoid seeing/hearing his bs when you try to look at gaming content.
forget these fake personalities people and just game and have fun on your own

[CoLD FiRE]

It's sad how gaming is becoming more like the "celebrity" culture bullshit. It just keeps reminding me how stupid people are.

[randomass171]

Seems like a dull topic for an N4G post. Not really game news either. Just some non-game related e-drama from two figureheads in gaming. Sigh. :/

edit: Just throwing this out there, I definitely do support Joe on this one, but it's just sad that this is a hot topic on a game aggregate site. I want to talk about games, not e-drama.

@below

Yup, seems that way. Sigh.

[wannabe gamer]

its the facebook/reality tv generation they love drama like this.

[CoLD FiRE]

I fear the day we see headlines like "Mark Cerny has been caught cheating on his wife with Kaz Hirai"

[thejigisup]

Headlines will more likely read:
Cerny exposes himself in bus, touches upon his bottleneck.

[TheFallenAngel]

Believe the hype lol. That game is fun but gets boring after a while. That game is worth maybe about $30 dollars.

[lonelyplayer]

Oh the drama of the gaming community... Lol.

[spicelicka]

lol exactly, 2 randoms fighting over nothing basically.

Reading through this uselessness out of curiosity is fine, but caring about this shit, and fighting on other forums over a fight over a little review? People are so lame.

[Gore-Content]

F'ck ign. Worst website with worst editors. Mitch Dyer anyone?

[RamboRabbi]

Does anyone take IGN seriously anyway? They give COD high scores every year for god sake it's pretty obvious they don't have some secret review score system that is so complex a normal gamer wouldn't understand it. They are well known for sucking M$ and Activision's Dick why is titanfall any different? Angry Joe says what most of us are thinking.

[Revolver_X_]

Everyone gives COD high scores. Whats your point? You follow low brow websites because they speak truth? The fact that 14 hours after your comment and you still arent reported for bad language because you sided with Joe speaks volumes about the short sighted immaturity here.

[Gore-Content]

That stupid ahole from ign has some rediculous arguments. the stupidity of ign's editors really amazes me.

[oODEADPOOLOo]

+1 for Joe -1 IGN

Also, lmao at IGN saying decimals are their own category.

[Revolver_X_]

IGN said that, or did Dan say it? Thats retorical BTW.

[SonyAddict]

Ign are a bunch a d@#ks!.

[swishersweets20031]

i think the guy from from IGN was just a prick for no reason other then feeling he was misrepresented over .1... they wounder why no one likes IGN anymore.

[LAWSON72]

Read some it , but the guy whining does have a point, why call out a review you dont agree with? Th reviewer is entitled to his opinion, there is no need to basically say sorry the game is not worthy of that score here is how good it actually is. He is quite funny though, about how did not get a 9 when it got an 8.9 lol

I watched the review to see what he was whining about and I agree with angry joe about how reviewers review games, but as I said he pretty much is calling out review sites like IGN calling their score pretty much a joke and lacking important details. I really think that kind of stuff should not be in a review it is just unprofessional. Sure make a rant video about critic reviews but calling them out on BS in a review is just wrong. IMO focus on the game not stupid stuff like other reviews.

I am all for hating on IGN and the way they review games these days, but it does not belong in a review.

[oODEADPOOLOo]

Joe does casual reviews tailored to his opinions, I don't remember him ever saying he was a professional at it. He just says it like it is.

[LAWSON72]

I realize he is no professional or anything, but it is a review not some sort of rant video about how others feel about a game and how he disagrees. Sure make points about the games flaws, but is it necessary at all to say other reviewers ignored them?

[Revolver_X_]

Totalbiscuit isnt a professional either,but like he's said before. If you have an audience thats of any significant size, you should operate with a code of ethics. I particularly find Joe just not entertaining.

[ion666]

Anybody who grew up with videogames is a reviewer his voice is just as valid as your or mine.Angry joe brings entertainment with his reviews though. IGN is freaking lame,all their host are annoying .Greg miller makes my skin crawl.

[oODEADPOOLOo]

He didnt say everyone else ignored the flaws he implied the majority of the larger review sites have in favor of hyping the game. Most likely as a paid promotion.

Heres specific clip from his review where argument got started:

http://www.tubechop.com/wat...

[ion666]

I'm unsubscribing now. Bye IGNerds

[aLucidMind]

IGN: the Fox News of the gaming industry.

[DefenderOfDoom2]

to aLucidmind / If IGN is FOX news, what console (party) do they favor ? I would say who they favor, but do not want to start a fanboy riot!

[aLucidMind]

It doesn't matter what console they favor, what matters is that IGN often goes far out of their way to find something to attack someone about. Just look at ME3, they went out of their way to attack anyone who had anything negative to say about ME3. It isn't just ME3 they've gone on a crusade against random nobody gamers disliking a game or disagreeing with a rating several times. Not to mention how they barely even read their sources, if they read them at all, and make articles based on false assumptions.

IGN and Fox News both approach things in very similar ways.

[Goro]

Dan Stapleton sounds like a little whiny bitch.

[choujij]

Oh, big time.

[scorpian007]

Angry Joe is a dick head

[Goro]

Explain how?

[ion666]

scorpian007 is Dan Stapleton. What a cornball.

[incendy35]

Can't stand either one of them but Dan is right, Joe mis-quoted them. He should fix it and apologize.

[Bill_Willson_CIA]

IGN misquote IGN! They are the main reason why Titanfall becomes the "second coming of christ". And now that people saw that the game,although is very good,is not the GotG or masterpiece that they talked about,they come with this 8.9 is great 9 is amazing bullshit!

Angry joe is right,people/sites overhyped a game with lack of content and technical limitations(graphically and always online).

The game is very fun game to play,though.

[LightDiego]

That Angry Joe is an attention whore, what an idiot, just another Youtuber with dumb followers.
I don't see any difference of Angry Joe and Pewdiepie, at least Pewdie has that italian hot chick.

[Bill_Willson_CIA]

I agree with Joe this time! IGN loves to build huge hype on games with their previews or even reviews and then,when the game is not all that good or at least not as good as they said,they come with excuses to explain why they said all that stuff!(e.g. Rome total war 2,mass effect 3,uncharted 3,etc..)

Angry joe is not perfect but at least he says the truth about the game's pros and cons.

Just read ign review about Rome total war 2 and then see the angry review!

[GamerEuphoria]

The truth? k

[OC_MurphysLaw]

Whether Angry Joe is in the right I can't say but he is a straight up clown that I find 100% difficult to take seriously.

[SPARTAN3]

I could really do without angry joe.

[Rhezin]

LOL…twitter fight..

[mopground]

where was this dan guy educated? i want to know so i never send my kids there. sounds like a politician caught in a lie

[Magaman]

STOP MAKING "JOURNALIST" THE STORY! Arguing on twitter occurs in EVERY INDUSTRY this is why game journalism is a joke, journalist are NEVER supposed to be the story.

[aLucidMind]

True, but one could argue that this is more about IGN being less trustworthy than they make themselves out to be due to how their employees have a tendency to attack random nobodies, including your average gamer, for having anything negative to say about them or their review process.

When IGN employees go out of their way to contact a person who disagreed with them just to attack them with increasing frequency, and it has been increasing, it stops being about the journalists and starts being more about the company itself.

[Statix]

That moron from IGN(norant) is arguing with a Youtube on twitter about a 0.1 decimal point.

[quenomamen]

Beefing over TF ??? Double fail.

[HappyWithOneBubble]

Dan just piss cause Joe made IGN look stupid. I never took IGN review scores serious. Joe tell it like it is with his reviews and he don't get paid big cash for it like IGN. Keep doing what you doing Joe.

[bornsinner]

ign are paid sellouts.

angryjoe is an honnest & unbiased reviewer.

ign need to stop crying.

[coolbeans]

No reviewer is unbiased.

[BABY-JEDI]

I personally thought Angry Joe's review was the most well rounded review of Titanfall. No free pass. He did stipulate that he really enjoyed the game, but the game was so lacking in features. While other sites mark games for said features, Titanfall got a free pass. That is clearly an act of moving the goal posts/ parameters of a critique which is plainly unfair to all the other dev's out there.
Very good review. Go watch it
; )

[nix]

lets get both of them on the street and let them fight like men.

twitter fights. sheesh!

[gigoran]

Who? And who? I recognize the name IGN and YOUTUBE, but apart from that I have no idea who those 2 people are. Are they meant to be famous or something?

[sander9702]

I watched the whole thing go down and it was pretty obvious that "Dan" was in a bad mood and wanted to fight with someone, also 8,9 and 9 is the exact same score!

[MWH]

"I guess after the way things ended, I’ll give that Twitter fight an 9/10"

[Yurtigo]

Who cares about 2 nobodies.

[CrowbaitBob]

This is why Twitter is a horrible method of communication. It seems like all of thesse "Twitter fights" end up with apologies and friendship once the individuals involved actually get a chance to talk like humans have been doing throughout history. Limiting a conversation to back and forths in 140 characters or less is a recipe for confusion and misunderstanding.

[Stoppokingme]

A twitter fight? It must be a slow news day.

I read the whole exchange and it was mind numbing, but that's what twitter does to people.

[robparko]

They both seem like major tools.

[TransientDreamer]

How is two grown men arguing on Twitter considered news?

[KnownAsEpic]

Am I the only one who is reading the conversation with Joe's voice?

[GamerEuphoria]

Angry Joe has always, and will always, be a utter forced character. He talks utter crap, his reviews are stupidly long and padded and the guy has a huge ego. He honestly things he's speaks for EVERYONE

[brewskiebob]

I trust AJs reviews more thanany other major outlets, hes the peoples champ in the gaming community and i love his reviews.
Screw ign

[Destiny1080]

ign are pathetic, keep up the good work joe

[air1]

Lmfao... I love angry joe reviews..

I give this battle a 8.9/10 in joes favor had joe called hike just one more name it would have been an amazing 9/10 instead of a great 8.9/10

Lol "#ufail"

Joes the man but punked out by apologizing though, why joe!

[karlowma]

Unprofessional garbage from an outlet that doesn't seem to know a thing about professionalism. Not uncommon for "professional" games journalists, unfortunately.

Calling someone out on twitter is such high school BS.

Man up, make a phone call, or approach someone if you have something to say. Don't take a pot shot in a public arena, specifically looking to incite a bitchfest.

People today are so concerned about taking everyone to task for their perceived wrongdoings, and no-one gives a sh1t about solving problems any more.

[chobit_A5HL3Y]

you can totally tell that ign is in someone's pocket. i stopped going to that site years ago and apparently it's gotten worse(somehow). when i read/watch a review, i expect a non-biased opinion. not what i WANT to hear. angry joe gives game the scores that they deserve- not scores based off of hype.

[S2Killinit]

You are right on

[SegaGamer]

These guys are nobody's, who gives a damn ?

[iliimaster]

oooooooo man i bet their keyboards were on fire!@ this internet violence has gotten way outta hand first twitter.....whats next? facebook?! youtube?! no one is safe

[NeoTribe]

Your entitled to your opinion and everything but what exactly brings you to those kind of feeling twords him? Ive been watching his show for years and i find him to be the most unbiased, honest reviewer there is. I also find the angry reviews hilarious. Seriously, watch a few of his angry reviews without any bios in mind and see if you dont change your mind.

[mcarsehat]

two very VERY important people having an argument(!)

How i care so!

[wtopez]

How is this limp story getting so much attention? A Twitter "fight"?

[S2Killinit]

Thats amazing that IGN of all people is upset by someone allegedly misrepresenting them by using something out of context, THATS pretty much ALL IGN does ALL the time. Dan is upset because someone is calling them out on something they DO. Angry Joe was right on in my opinion.

[aLiEnViSiToR]

Twitter war O_o lol if only that was the ONLY kind of war on this planet :[

[TRGMatt]

Look...it's video game TMZ.

[silvacrest]

after reading that, i'll side with joe, yeah he insulted the guy a bit but hey, hes not a "professional" and essentially works for him self so who cares

dan was asked a question, ignored it, and went off to rant, arguing about a point 0.1 and screen shots.....wtf?, didn't even have the decency to do it in private

[azricf]

AJ definitely tries to be unbiased I believe. He gets to the point, and will call you out if need be.. Just look at his interview with Major Nelson last year. It seemed as if he was one of the only interviewers who truly asked questions that fans wanted to know. He put nelson on the spot, and his interview seemed to have been ended prematurely. It helps his rep with fans, even though the industry guys might not like him as much. Good to see him owning a PS4 now as well. It can only better his image. We don't need more fanboy reviewers.

[Harpers_Ferry]

Two grown men behaving like children? Sounds like the gaming community, all right.

[jegheist2014]

thanx i now just forwarded this to higher officaials have fun behind bars realise internet is not place u can hide behind cuss someone else out make threats at other person

we take this seriously here in usa lol

[jollygoodchap8]

That was like reading a typical argument here on good ol' N4G.

A normal guy trying to reason with a dumbass and getting nowhere.

[modesign]

its fun when amateur journalists cry and moan at each other on twitter.

[memots]

Yet they would turn around and criticized and knocks points on other game for Tacked on Multiplayer or missing multiplayer.

I still have subscribe on IGN for the shear amount of video they have but their bias for certain company that pays them good money is very visible, This is just the latest incident where it clearly shown and they don't like being called out for it.

[turgore]

Angry Jow vs Jim Sterling. I would pay money for that !

[GearSkiN]

you cant out smartass angry joe! his too good!! but i do believe on joes part!

[jspsc123]

I guess after the way things ended, I’ll give that Twitter fight an 8.9/10. lol

[Bonerboy]

A "twitter fight" ??? 0_o What a couple of pathetic twatty losers. Even worse still, this shit is made into an actual "story/article" and posted (not surprisingly) here on N4G....and furthermore, the fact that I am here posting about it makes it all a rather sad state of affairs, not befitting of any betterment of the human species and our pathetic subhuman interactions.
Good God....humanity is lost. PLEASE earth, bring on some random plague and wipe us all out. It's the cockroaches' turn to rule as they will do a much better job than us to be sure.

[Stapleface]

I think I hate myself a little more now for reading that.

[Soldierone]

Lmao!

Angry Joe made the whole "attack another site" thing cool, but he does it correctly. Unlike other site, he has ammo by his side to defend his attacks. It's not like he purposely goes to find random sites and says they suck (which a lot of smaller blog sites do).

That and he won the battle right at the beginning. IGN- "We didn't give it a 9!" Look at the review, its an 8.9".... really? This is why I don't bother to go there for reviews, ever.