Stop Supporting Blatant Cash Grabs

I'm just going to come right out and say this at the very beginning, The Last of Us Remastered is a clear cash grab and poor attempt at bolstering PS4 releases in the wake of the fact that true PS4 releases are slow going because Sony didn't skimp on support for the PS3 just to bring games to the PS4.

The Last of Us Remastered is just as bad as Tomb Raider: Fraud.. I mean Definitive Edition.

These moves are lazy and need to stop, we need to stop supporting them.

Now I know, some of you are going to come on here and say the following...

"The fans asked for it..."

"There are a lot of people who are migrating from the 360 and didn't get to play The Last of Us because they don't have a PS3..."

"You don't have to buy it..."

"The DLC, graphics upgrade, and use of the touch pad are worth asking for full retail price..."

Well, I have replies to all of those statements.

-Fans asked for it: Fans ask for A LOT of things and always have. MOST of what fans ask for isn't honored. Fans have asked for Last Guardian, and it's not here. It's fallen off the map with absolutely no new information about it.

Fans have asked for a Legend of Dragoon remaster, or sequel, and that has been completely ignored. Fans have asked for a lot of things, but they weren't given any consideration because of profit potentials. A TLOU remaster has greater profit potential than the requests I mentioned because it's still fresh and is an amazing game.

That is a HUGE problem. The game is not even a year old yet, is still currently selling for $50, and is getting an unnecessary remaster with minimal upgrades for full retail price. It is fact that it is a blatant cash grab by virtue of time alone.

-360 user migration: Irrelevant. Completely irrelevant to anyone but Sony. It's cheaper and easier to buy a PS3 to play The Last of Us right now than it is to play it on the PS4 and the differences will not be staggering. These 360 users who MIGHT migrate to the PS4 for this game WILL NOT help you out. They also will NOT guarantee anything that you consider positive happening in the PS4's future either. The only thing for certain is that they are represented as numbers in profit margins. That's the beginning and end of it.

-You don't have to buy it: Correct, and I'm not going to buy it. I will not support laziness, and I will not support blatant greed. But whether or not I buy it isn't the point. It's the number of people that buy it that matters.

Buying this shows a sign of approval that you'd easily accept remastered games as old as less than a year and older rather than demand new games, or information on games that should have already completed development and released by now. You're showing acceptance for slow releases and early announcements with the knowledge that the games being announced will not be out for ages.

Games like The Last of Us or Tomb Raider Fraud Editions are meant to appease you, to make you forget about the lack of information on anticipated games, to take your attention away from delays, to gull you into a false sense of feeling that your wants and needs are being acknowledged and addressed when they aren't.

-DLC, Graphics, and Touch Pad: LOL, no. No the DLC, graphics upgrades, and Touch pad are not worth a full retail price. The graphical upgrade will not be drastic, the DLC is out right now and (including the unlikely possibility of the original game's pre-order bonuses) include skins, a soundtrack (if included with the remaster, will likely be all digital, so not worth the same as an actual CD complete with jewelry case, art, etc), 4 multiplayer maps, masks, and probably the only worthy expansion in Left Behind; and touch pad use is currently unknown and could be either great or terrible. None of these things warrants a full retail price. Had they added on to the actual game with another expansion, then MAYBE it would be worth it, but it would still remain a cash grab.

The thing is, The Last of Us Remastered is conceptually the same as Capcom's Turbo/Ultimate/Arcade/Final editions on their fighting game franchises and those are ALWAYS blasted to high heaven.

Games like Tomb Raider Definitive Edition and The Last of Us Remastered represent double, or triple dipping using the exact same experiences with minor upgrades. These kinds of moves, in other forms, are always attacked by the gaming community as being corporate greed moves and yet here we are now, with Sony sticking their hat in with the other greed motivated companies, and it's suddenly a brilliant move that everyone wanted.

This is just the height of hypocrisy. I wish I had a recent 360 game I could use to make a comparison of how, if Microsoft pulled a stunt like this, they'd correctly be bashed for it. This is me saying this, and people call me a Sony fanboy.

I have to reiterate that The Last of Us isn't even a year old. You can actually buy a PS3 The Last of Us bundle for $270 right now. Factor in the cost of Left Behind and that's still under $300. Paying $400 plus $50 for PS+ (because you know that the multiplayer isn't going to be free on the PS4 version) when you can save that $150, not wait, and play it today is in my opinion ridiculously stupid.

And let's not get into the "but you'll have a PS4 for the future games, and PS+ gives you access to a megaton of free games" argument because if people wanted that, then that's what they'd get the PS4 for instead of a remaster of a game that's not even a year old yet and will cost them more to play on the PS4 than to play right now on the PS3.

I know every argument that can be made in favour of this. Fans asking for it and all that jazz is all well and good, but it's still a blatantly greedy cash grab designed to draw focus away from slow releases and lack of information for upcoming games. Expect Microsoft to do something similar in the near future, probably with Halo, to take away from their own problems in these areas.

We should expect and demand more, not congratulate and reward laziness. On the one hand, Sony is listening to fan requests which is good. On the other hand, they haven't listened to some key fan requests for a long time so it makes this move an obvious distraction in my opinion.

Don't complain in the future when all you're playing is updated versions of games you've already played to death because you set the precedent of allowing these greedy moves by supporting the early games like Tomb Raider and TLOU Remastered that came first.

[Nicaragua]

I agree that it's designed to fill a gap in what is currently a pretty empty release schedule but that doesn't mean it's without merit.

I sold my ps3 and all it's games to finance my ps4 and the one game I miss playing is the last of us, so for this is great news and I will be gladly buying it day one. Also this means I missed out on the dlc.

Personally I have zero issue with hd remasters. I had never played a god of war game until they were released as remasters on ps3, same with sly cooper. Now I consider myself a fan of both franchises so it was a win win - I got to play some games that were new to me and the studios got some sales. That sounds better to me than just having the work that had already gone into the games just sitting on a devs hard drive doing nothing. Also it's keeping TLOU momentum rolling for when they announce the inevitable sequel.

Yeah fans ask for a lot of things that aren't listened to but not on the scale of this. I would love a soul reaver remake/sequel but it's unlikely to happen as it's a fractured request in amongst the legend of dragoons and shenmues. TLOU is millions of people all asking for the same thing at a time when it makes sense to do it.

As far as I'm concerned this is a bonus. I wasn't expecting it when I bought my ps4 and I hadn't factored it into what I was going to be playing this year, so the fact it's there is all good to me.

[DragonKnight]

It's perfectly fine to be excited for it, but I'm saying let's call a spade a spade here.

I think there's more (or less depending on how you look at it) to this TLOU of us thing than the fans asking for it. I think it was the awards that did it and not the fans myself. This remaster was one of the worst kept secrets around, so you can see that it had been planned for quite awhile.

But I won't change my opinion that this is a blatant cash grab, that moves like this shouldn't be supported (even if you're excited at the prospect of it) because it sets a dangerous precedent for the future.

TLOU is out right now, it's cheaper to play right now, so if people really wanted to play it they would. I don't think it's a stretch to say that graphics is really the only driving aspect of excitement for this and that's pretty sad. Instead of pushing Sony to honor older, more worthy fan requests, people are drooling over a remaster of a game that isn't even a year old. What incentive does that give Sony to do anything that isn't lazy and a blatant cash grab?

I'm aware that I say "blatant cash grab" a lot, but that's exactly what it is and that's the best way of describing this.

[Nicaragua]

I really don't think its is. MGS Ground Zeroes - now that's a cash grab.

This is a game that is being ported to a completely separate console. When Mass Effect got released for PS3 was that a cash grab because it had already been out on Xbox? If Titanfall gets released on PS4 this Xmas will that be a cash grab. Is Planetside 2 or Warframe a cash grab coz they are already out on PC? No - its just a port of a game, and that's exactly how I see TLOU.

You mention that you can play TLOU right now for but I don't have a PS3 so i cant play it and pretty sure im not alone in that. My brother who has a PS4 never had a PS3 at all so to say to him "dont support this game, instead go and buy a PS3 for $270 and play it right now" is pretty absurd.

Call of Duty 54 with season pass and pre order bonuses - cash grab.
TLOU on a brand new console - not even in the same league.

[DragonKnight]

Why is Ground Zeroes a cash grab and this isn't? There are people who play Ground Zeroes over and over trying to find new ways to approach the missions. For those people it was worth the $30 for this 2 hour demo. I agree that it is a cash grab, but so is The Last of Us Remastered.

I have to keep reiterating that The Last of Us isn't even a year old yet, that it is selling for $50 right now, and that porting it to the PS4 will have minimal upgrades not worth asking a full retail price for.

It's your own problem that you chose to get rid of your PS3, however that doesn't negate the fact that you could still go out and buy a new one as a TLOU bundle for cheaper than getting a PS4 and the remaster, and it still doesn't negate the fact that remastering a game that is less than a year old simply to bolster the game offerings of a new console is a move to grab that cash.

"Call of Duty 54 with season pass and pre order bonuses - cash grab.
TLOU on a brand new console - not even in the same league."

You're right, it isn't even in the same league because that CoD would be a new game.

TLOU isn't a new game, though it isn't exactly old either. Sony is asking people to pay $60 for a game they can get now for $50. You mentioned absurdity and this is it. It's YOUR choice to take the more expensive, marginally "better" option, but that doesn't remove the fact that the reason this game is coming out to the PS4 is to bolster slow releases and to play on the emotions of fans of the current TLOU so as to make money.

In every possible definition this is a cash grab. You're simply arguing that it's a supported/wanted cash grab. That, in my opinion, is the problem.

Have better standards, want new games, new experiences, or if you have to want something older then make sure it's actually older and something people have wanted for a long time, not less than a year. It's plain, it's simple, it's a cash grab.

We're not talking about ports that come as part of a trilogy later due to rights shifting. We're not talking about a missed opportunity to have a game go multiplat but didn't due to paid for exclusivity, and we're not talking about free to play games that literally can't be cash grabs.

We're talking about games that haven't been out for a year yet, are only $10 less than launch MSRP, and are being redone with slight upgrades to double dip into a fanbase. There is no clearer way to describe that it is a blatant cash grab.

[Sleet]

let me get this straight Dragon Knight. You are saying that paying $60 for a current award winning game ported to a different console with a few extra features is a cash grab, and you are advising PS4 owners to not buy it and instead buy a $300 PS3 ?

You sir are a genius, remind me to never let you do my taxes :)

[DragonKnight]

Yes Sleet, I am in fact telling people to buy a PS3 if The Last of Us is a game they want to play. I am in fact saying that TLOU PS4 version is a fraud edition. If you don't like that, that's not really my problem.

You must think it absolutely genius to pay more for so little. I assume the government absolutely LOVES you when tax season arrives.

[Sleet]

Cool, I just wanted to give you the benefit of the doubt before writing you off as completely bonkers.

Just out of interest what difference does my perceived value in things make to the government at tax season? They get the same % of money out of you and I regardless of how much you gnash your teeth over ported videogames, so i would imagine they love us equally.

...or maybe you just didn't think that little retort through properly :)

[DragonKnight]

"Cool, I just wanted to give you the benefit of the doubt before writing you off as completely bonkers. "

Oh yeah, I'm REAL bonkers for not buying into cash grabs. Look at how crazy I am for not supporting lazy moves meant to cover slow releases and divert attention away from that fact. Gee, I must be clinically insane when compared to someone like you that thinks it's a fantastic idea to charge full retail price for a re-release of a game not even a year old yet and make people spend more money for literally the same experience with slightly improved graphics. You're such a genius.

"Just out of interest what difference does my perceived value in things make to the government at tax season?"

None. It isn't your value perception I was talking about, it was the fact that your value perception affects your spending habits.

[Sleet]

Ah i see - so the government loves me specifically at tax season because of my video game spending habits...no wait, I have no idea what the hell you are talking about.

Back on topic, AceBlazer makes an excellent point below. TLOU on PS3 is still a full priced retail game WITHOUT the DLC. So the PS4 version which includes the DLC will actually be better value than the PS3, and that's before we even have to buy the PS3 console as as you so wisely instructed :)

[whothedog]

Conkers, Halo anniversary, Skyrim Legendary, any sports game, any game that releases a game of the year version.

It is a cash grab, but doesn't make it horrible, I want it and plan on buying it again. Sony can be happy and so can the consumer. Just cause they are releasing a remastered version of a game I want doesn't make me a sheep either. They can re release a lot of games and they wouldn't sell cause no one would really want it, and not to many games in my opinion are worth getting again.

Let the money talk, if this sells well than people wanted it. They can try to do this in the future with other games but it might not work. Depends on the game, and what it features.

[Meep]

Yea I don't get what all the fuss is about. I just see this as a port. I have a PS3 now but I have not played/bought the Last Of Us. I will probably get a PS4 in the future and when I do I will probably get TLOU on the PS4 because it just seems like the better deal to me. This isn't as bad as the Street Fighter or Tomb Raider editions because they would release multiple editions on the same console. Anything a company does can be called a cash crab cause that's why they exist, to make money. To me this isn't a cash crab, just a port. I feel like if Sony just called this the PS4 edition, this would get a lot less flak.

Also how much is The Last Of Us on the PS3? I checked on Amazon and Gamestop, its still $60 isn't it?

[agonism]

Going against the grain, huh? Although you won't find me engaging in debate or whatever about this type of stuff, I'd be lying if I said I don't largely agree with your take on things.

@ nobody in particular - You see, people often assume that high sales as being a corresponding signal for demand within market dynamics are a democratic and equitable practice or even an indication of 'quality,' but these commodities are often arbitrarily designed and introduced into the market with the 'desire' for these commodities having been suggested to the consumer through exclusive discourse and signifying mechanisms.

Even worse are those corporations who release slightly revised products manufactured at Foxxconn or otherwise on a yearly basis primarily for the sake of profit, which is exploitative of both workers and consumers and not only depletes resources limited in available quantities in deposits that are mined by people who get paid shit wages or gunned down by state apparatuses when they go on strikes, but release a significant amount of excess carbon emissions and other environmentally detrimental and altering by-products in the process.

The market isn't at all what it appears to be or what it is that's presented by its advocates, and behind the superficial image of humanism and 'democracy' it's generally entirely as inhuman as a machine is, and even more so because it has a certain interplay of internal trajectories which cannot be constrained for prolonged periods of time unless it were to fold in on itself, with these trajectories tending to encourage and even necessitate what more reasonable people perceive as just simple greed on behalf of the upper class.

So what's my point? Shit's rigged.

[NewMonday]

many of fans DO want this, I also wanted GTA5 and it is most likely coming.

if you followed the hints from months ago you would realize this was always going to happen, ND said sometimes back that their games are designed with higher resource textures before down-scaling for the PS3. I held back my second play-thru because I knew the game is coming eventually to the PS4.

also business wise it was an inevitable decision because games need to have a shelf life and that wont happen at the end of the PS3's life, that is why games like Tomb Raider and GTA5 are doing the same.

as for filling the schedule Sony need to get publishing rights for Yakuza Ishin and bring it ASAP.

[aLucidMind]

I wouldn't exactly call The Last of Us a cash grab. The main reason for that is because it is an exclusive title. Those who were planning on not supporting XBox One and planned on getting a PS4 while never owning the PS3 can now play a game they were anticipating can now spend $60 instead of $230+. So for those who don't own a PS3, you're wrong in that buying TLoU for PS3 is cheaper.

The re-release itself isn't a cash-grab, neither is the $60 tag since they're having to recode the game to suit a different (albeit, more manageable) format and remaster the entire game's graphics. This can't be an easy process to do, as you're forced to work within confines and must be careful not to sacrifice the integrity of the original product. Needless to say, this is quite possibly more difficult than making the original game itself.

My stance on multi-platform titles is different, however. As for HD re-releases, I would rather they get the entire cast back together and entirely remake these games (like FFX) from scratch. But is this truly cost-effective? While I feel some company should go ahead and take this risk as an experiment, I can't really blame them for not wanting to.

As a side-note, I hate how the author of a blog post are limited by bubbles when responding to comments on their blog posts. Really kills potential discussions.

[URNightmare]

The game is still $60 brand new for PS3. They are releasing a better version for PS4 at the same price it is currently for PS3. Where is the bad news in this???????

I bought it for PS3 on day one and still have it. I would love to play a better version on my PS4 with its new features like the sharing and streaming. A doubt I will pay $60 again for it even though it is very tempting because the game is that good.

This is obviously intended for those who never got to play the game or those who don't mind paying again for it. I would gladly pay a $10-$20 upgrade for it though.

[Flutterby]

Well I usually agree with you dragonknight but this time I can't , there is no way I can call this a cash grab the way you make it seem, I want to play the game but I stopped buying ps3 games the day the ps4 was announced so I missed out and now I will get it on the ps4 along with loads of other people that missed it. Calling this a cash grab in a broad sense of the word would be true but only if you called every other game ever made a cash grab because the devs want money so they sell a game. I just really can't agree with this at all, there are people that didn't have a ps3 at all they may want to get it on the ps4 because they missed out. Imo one of the main reasons they made this version was because it was the goty and they probably feel a lot of people missed out so bringing it to another platform will help spread it around some more.

[ramiuk1]

i couldnt play the ps3 because of the pad.the sticks gave me really bad cramps after 5 mins of play.
I have always been a 360 gamer and im really pleased that TLOU is coming to ps4.
It isnt a cash grab imo because its the consumers choice to buy it.
Nothing was taken out of it to make extra money,DLC in games is a cash grab as most of the DLC is made at time of game and not included or locked down unless you pay for the DLC/Season pass.

You dont like it,dont buy it.
simple as that dude.

How is it cheaper right now?
i went from a 360 to ps4.
the game plus a ps3 console is gonna be what? £80+

[EXVirtual]

I agree with basically all of this. If an excessive amount of people keep buying into this crap, it's going to become a huge problem.
I actually agree with RTU this time, on this one point at least. How much do you want to bet Gearbox is going to release Borderlands The Pre-Sequel and then a year afterwards, come out with a next gen 'definitive edition'?

[HammadTheBeast]

It would've been fine if it was less than $30 or $20 if you had the game on PS3.

But the graphical upgrade isn't anything amazing (a remake would've been much, much better) and the rest of the incentives just don't do much to satisfy a full priced game.

[randomass171]

Charging $60 I think was a huge mistake, and Sony has not yet offered a trade in deal for the original game. Honestly, I don't think this is as bad as Konami charging $30 (originally $40) for a glorified demo mission that lasts roughly an hour, but at the same time TLOU IS a great game and people DID want a PS4 version. I'm personally waiting for the remastered to drop in price before I even consider it. I already have the original, so I'm in no rush to buy the same game again.

[DragonKnight]

In terms of scale, then Ground Zeroes takes the cake of course. $30 for a demo is absurd. But Sony charging $60 for some framerate and resolution improvements that most won't notice but won't admit to not noticing is still definitely a cash grab.

[randomass171]

Absolutely, I agree. It most certainly is a cash grab. But then lots of rereleases are. They make companies money so that they can continue with better projects. I believe this is a cash grab, but it is also not necessarily a ripoff. This is a GOTY edition with better visuals. There are worse offenders as far as cash grabs go, I think.

[Ducky]

I don't get why you seem to think buying a remaster and wanting new games are mutually exclusive choices.
ND is a big team, and I don't think that making a port is going to significantly affect their development schedule.
They've said that they have future announcements coming, so it doesn't seem like the remaster is affecting anything as far as their output is concerned.
Other games like The Last Guardian are irrelevant since they are handled by a different team with different issues.

I also don't get why it is a cash grab "by virtue of time alone". To me, that is actually a positive. Most games release a 'GOTY' edition at around the year mark, with all the DLC, and price it at $60.
Why is this long tradition suddenly now a cash grab if that 'GOTY' edition has a higher fidelity and is for a newer console?

At the end of the day, it's a simple case of people doing what they want with their money.
If the remaster is a success, then that means people saw value in it. You can't decide for yourself what is 'worth it' for other people.

[DragonKnight]

I don't think that buying a remaster and wanting new games is mutually exclusive. I think that supporting remasters like this shows a sign of acceptance for laziness. Even if ND is a big team and the amount of time isn't significant compared to fully new releases, taking manpower and resources to port this is taking those things away from releasing other games sooner, or perhaps fixing issues with games currently out, or at the very least providing information in a more timely manner.

And it isn't exclusive to one studio. What I don't get is how studios like Capcom or Konami can be blasted for what is essentially the same thing but ND and Sony are getting a pass for marginally improved graphics, a share button, and possibly terrible touch pad controls.

Other games like The Last Guardian are not irrelevant because they are handled by different teams, they are more relevant because they are handled by Sony. Why put resources into a remaster, even minimal resources, when you can put resources (which includes funding) into a game people have been waiting for for years? Are you saying that game that's less than a year old receiving a port whose cost isn't justified is more important than a brand new game that should have released ages ago yet now seems to be vaporware with no explanation as to why?

"I also don't get why it is a cash grab "by virtue of time alone". To me, that is actually a positive. Most games release a 'GOTY' edition at around the year mark, with all the DLC, and price it at $60.
Why is this long tradition suddenly now a cash grab if that 'GOTY' edition has a higher fidelity and is for a newer console?"

This isn't a GOTY edition though. GOTY editions are games you don't have to go out and buy a new console for. They are for those people who wanted to wait because they knew that DLC would come out and they wanted the complete experience in one shot, not spread out over time. This remaster wasn't something people knew was going to happen and were waiting for. This is a remaster that requires a brand new console. This game is meant specifically to drive PS4 sales, something that's been going on quite nicely without the remaster.

"At the end of the day, it's a simple case of people doing what they want with their money.
If the remaster is a success, then that means people saw value in it. You can't decide for yourself what is 'worth it' for other people."

And where anywhere did I make such a decision for people. I'm telling people not to support this because they have blasted others for essentially the same thing, and were correct in doing so. I'm telling people not to support this because it supports laziness and distraction. I'm telling people not to support this because if it's the game they really wanted, they have cheaper and more immediate options available. I never once told people it "wasn't worth it and you have to agree with me" so where you're drawing that conclusion from is something known only to you.

I'm calling a spade a spade. This is a supported cash grab, but a cash grab nonetheless.

[Ducky]

Last Guardian's development problems have been going on for so long, that it's safe to say that a TLOU remaster isn't going to break the camel's back.
Hell, the camel might already be long dead for all we know.
In any case, as I said, I haven't seen any indication that the TLOU port is hindering ND's output. They are going to use their old engine on PS4 anyways, so a port of an older game isn't exactly wasted effort or lost man-hours.
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I would argue that the remaster wasn't exactly a surprise. Some people anticipated it and waited. Just like how some people are expecting a GTAV 'remaster' as well.
These versions seem perfect for those who waited, and bought a PS4 in the mean time.
... and anyways, my actual point there was that you were calling it a cash grab and laziness, when they're putting more effort in it than most 'GOTY' editions.
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Also, you pretty much stated alternative versions of "it isn't worth it" in your 2nd last para.
Reading your other comments above, it's pretty blatant that you are making decisions for people when you tell them to buy a whole console rather than a $60 remaster that includes all the DLC.
... or do you seriously expect to berate people for wanting to buy the remaster edition, and then turn around and go 'Oh, I never said it's not worth it and you have to agree with me'?

[Roger2Doger]

Ducky, great comments. DragonKnight is basically telling everyone not to upgrade their DVD collection and ignore the bluray transfers because they are all money grabs.

Why wouldn't I want to play the best version possible of what was perhaps the best game last year? If this came to the pc i'd grab it immediately.

We also see it all the time in music. We see them re-release prior albums all the time. Nobody is stopping consumers to halt their decisions to buy it. DragonKnight is coming across as some sort of dictator of where our money should go.

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"This is just the height of hypocrisy. I wish I had a recent 360 game I could use to make a comparison of how, if Microsoft pulled a stunt like this, they'd correctly be bashed for it. This is me saying this, and people call me a Sony fanboy."

Then why bring it up? Why not also mention Zelda on the Wii U? There are many other examples as well but games that I love and cherish why would I not want a better version on newer hardware? What's next, telling everyone not to buy the next GT game on the PS4 because it uses a lot of the same tracks and cars as past games or worse yet, many of the same assets ported over?

[Revolver_X_]

Laziness Dragon? Do you have any idea of how small a team can do this remaster? Its been in works since the PS3 release. Its probably 10-20 guys max. ND have Uncharted 4 coming and Neil Drukman is working on TLOU movie. Being lazy is not the case here. How about you let each individual decide what a cash grab is to them. I bought MGS5 GZ and TR on PS4. I liked MGS and I love TR. I will also buy TLOU. You just worry about your own pockets.

[memots]

I usually agree with you DragonKnight but on this i don't.

Yes they are making more money for people who wants to spend the money. This is nothing new, Check Street fighter with many edition. Look at Dead Nation on ps4 , Guacamelee Championship edition, F.T.L got a new edition. The list goes on.

There is nothing wrong in getting people that haven't bought the game a new complete edition that has more value.

Where i wish some of these dev would do is the same they did with Deux Ex Human Revolution ; director cut. People could upgrade to Director cut for cheaper and that is real value for early adopter and they need to do that with all Re-releases.

[GarrusVakarian]

Completely agree with everything you just said.

ND is a big studio, as long as they can make new games (which they are) *as well as* porting an old one, to many peoples delight...then what's the problem? It's not as if this port is going to be using a large chunk of the studios resources and halt other projects.

Don't like it? Don't wanna support such practises? Then don't buy it. Vote with your wallet.

Btw Ducky, i love you.

[randomass171]

"Don't like it? Don't wanna support such practises? Then don't buy it. Vote with your wallet."

At the end of the day, this is honestly the most essential thing to keep in mind when approaching this game.

[Blastoise]

I agree, people will probably buy it anyway though. I refuse to spend money on season passes, "remasters", add-on DLC, costumes ect but people just don't seem to understand the value of money, which is why we get this kind of stuff time and time again.

I still can't believe they had the nerve to title it Tomb Raider: The definitive edition, why not just call it Tomb Raider: We screwed you over 6 months ago edition?

[Oschino1907]

Some people just don't understand that the value they place on money isn't the same as everyone else's.

I still can't believe the nerve of people speaking for everyone as if we all lack the ability make cognitive decisions on our own.

Good for you though, taking a stand based on hypocritical morals with delusional foundations. Wish others had the balls to speak up for everyone they don't represent. \s

[HarryMasonHerpderp]

I agree Blastoise.
People seem to want to pay more for less these days.
They moan and whine about DLC, microtransactions and so on and then buy it all anyway. Ground Zeroes is the perfect example of this. People that defend that games price tag are just insane. It's like they want to be screwed over and pay more money instead of standing up to publishers and saying no, this is a greedy crash grab I won't support it. It gives out all the wrong messages.

[SuperBlur]

The people who never played the game should buy a ps3 and the game itself?

Those who got/will get rid of their ps3 .. should they go buy a ps3 yet again and the game just to satisfy their nostalgia ?

Now which one sound more appealing to your wallet?

that's what i thought..

"People that defend that games price tag are just insane. It's like they want to be screwed over and pay more money "

http://www.bestbuy.com/site...
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http://www.bestbuy.com/site...

[AceBlazer13]

I stopped reading at the point where you acknowledged that the ps3 version is still going for $50.If you know this then how can you argue against a version with free dlc, upgraded graphics and remote play going for $10 more.

To ease your mind don't think of this as a re release, think of it as a late release.Like Rayman legends,Titanfall,Watchdogs etc.

And if you want an example of this from microsoft, see to the fans waiting eagerly for Halo 2 anniversary or whatever it's called.A game you can get for free if not dirt cheap is gonna sell for $30-$60.

[Gazondaily]

The difference being that Halo 2 was released YEARS ago not less than a year ago and will most likely be a far more comprehensive remaster judging by what Halo Anniversary was like anyway.

You can't even play Halo 2 online on the original Xbox if you still have one lying around so how is this the same thing?

[The_Klank]

The Market will decide, if it succeeds then there was demand for it, if not it will fail.

If this fills a gap for people with Ps4s then what is the harm?

Again, If there is demand for it I don't see the problem.

[KwietStorm_BLM]

The new systems have been out for half a year, and they came out at a time when some big games are still somewhat new. If Tomb Raider and The Last Of Us and possibly GTA came out remastered 2 years from now, Yea I would call it a cash grab. But we're in the middle of a transition period. Some people haven't even played these games be a use they were waiting. If it's just a cheaply done port with little difference, then call it a spade. But Tomb Raider wasn't, and I doubt The Last Of Us will be. Hell, I would buy GTA in a second, just because I want to play it on PS4, and I feel it would take advantage of a lot of system features.

[TuxedoMoon]

I understand all that you're saying, but I honestly don't have much of a problem with these ports. TR and TLOU were both amazing games, but I don't think they sold well enough for the higher-ups to be happy (they still want that COD money after all). Saying it's remaster/definitive is just a tag to cover up the fact that they ARE LAZY PORTS WITH MINOR IMPROVEMENTS! It's to make money and reach out to those who need another game to play on their PS4s too.

Remember, a lot of gamers out there did sell their PS3s for a ps4 and probably missed TLOU.

[pakua]

I will be buying Halo 2 anniversary but nothing else. Remastered games should have at least a two generation console gap.

[TKCMuzzer]

If people want it then let them buy it. Sony are not forcing people to buy it again that's a choice they are freely making.
For all those 360 owners who have bought a PS4 this a great opportunity to play one of the best PlayStation games made.
Your advice to buy a PS3 and a copy of TLOU instead is quite funny and I'm sure Sony would be happy either way.
If the games are crap then yes don't remaster them but that is not likely to happen, due to the extra resources required only the best games will be remastered and I, like many will be just fine with that.

[thorstein]

So, if you had an Xbox 360 last gen, but bought a PS4 this gen, the Last of Us is a cashgrab. Got it.

Any other advice?

[LordMaim]

When PS3 had to wait a year for the GTA IV DLC, and it was released at full price, was that a cash grab? The DLC was about a year old, but they were still selling it at full price? There wasn't even any additional features, just the same thing that was available exclusively on the 360 a year earlier.

The thing was, it wasn't available on the platform before then, so the PS3 owners weren't upset at still paying the full price for the DLC. There wasn't any other way to play it other than buying a completely different console.

How is this any different? If anything, they're putting additional work into a next gen version of the game that released a little later than the previous gen version. Its not like they came back 10 years later, updated the textures and resolution and charge you $60 for it.

Calling it a "cash grab" is just inflammatory and misguided. If people didn't want the current-gen version of the game, Naughty Dog wouldn't bother to offer it.

A current-gen version of The Last of Us is being made because people want it.

Are you telling those people that they're wrong to like something?

[maniacmayhem]

I agree with Dragon and definitely understand where he's coming from.

What's funny is a lot of people on N4G were harping on Nintendo for re-releasing old games with a shinier paint of coat. Even I thought it was pointless for some of the games that were released by Nintendo.

I have no problem with this being done here and there but it seems companies like Sony and MS are making these types of games soley for the purpose of squeezing more money out of the consumer. And lets be honest TLoU isn't even all that old to warrant a HD version so soon.

Soon games will be like movie dvd's and blu-rays, 5 or more different editions of the same thing. It is definitely a cash grab.

[Conzul]

If this is a problem at all, it is the fault of gamers who went around saying that hardware BC is not important to them.

Who would have guessed that Sony would listen to gamers? D'OH!!!

If you put out a system that cannot play legacy titles, you can expect a growing culture of Remasters to emerge. Don't cry now when YOU were the ones that wouldn't shell out the little extra initial investment for a console with Backwards Compatibility. You Did This.

[Conzul]

https://drive.google.com/fi...

[mrpsychoticstalker]

Hilarious, money grabbing much eh Sony?

[Toon_Link]

This is the same as a game of the year edition. Generally those come out within a year of the release with all DLC included . Rarely the GOTY editions come with double the resolution and double the FPS.

While I understand that you might not want to rebuy the game I can't wrap my brain around why you would try to stop others from doing what they want with there money.

I for one bought the game on ps3 and later bought the season pass, then eventually sent my copy to my brother in Miami. And now I'm considering picking up the remaster. I've played through the game about 4 times if you count all the chapters I had to redo for collecting all items and conversation. I also wanted to playthrough the game with my wife so she could see the story from start to finish. Am I crazy to consider buying this game twice? Maybe but that's my choice.

[chrisco84au]

I understand this is your opinion but seriously, why all the negativty and bitterness? How exactly does this negativtly affect anyone? Why not support all developers, whether releasing new games or re-mastered games.
Do you think ND just took left over ps3 disks and printed 'PS4' and 'Re-mastered' on them?
No, they didnt. They spent time, money and resources to make this possible. It is a fan service and they will make alot of money. Win - win to me.
Dont like it. Dont buy it. It IS that simple.
People did ask for this.
360 converts will enjoy this.

Who are to 'demand' new games as you so gracefully put it? The entitlement is obscene. Its sickeing. Like a spoikt 2 year old who does not get thier way.

If anything this will allow more people to enjoy one of the best games last gen.
You dont have to like it but why be so bitter and resentful?
ND owe us NOTHING. They released an amazing game and are now re-releasing it for the masses, new and old, to enjoy again.
I hope they make massive profits from this. I really do.
I sould rather this than no ND game this year. Unless you want to suggest that if they didnt work on this they would have UC4 ready now?

[BillyCostigan]

"360 user migration: Irrelevant. Completely irrelevant to anyone but Sony. It's cheaper and easier to buy a PS3 to play The Last of Us right now than it is to play it on the PS4 and the differences will not be staggering."

Right, and what of the people who have already migrated from 360 to PS4? Is it going to be cheaper for them to buy a PS3 and the PS3 version of TLOU? Are you going to suggest that they sell the PS4 to buy the PS3 and its version of TLOU? Ridiculous. Plus, there are people who own a PS3 and have not yet bought TLOU, such as myself. Instead of buying the PS3 version, I'll just get the PS4 version whenever I make the jump to next gen. Simple.

[s45gr32]

What about Sony promise of complete access to all Playstation games from PS One to PS3 via Playstation Now for a monthly fee did that got canned or still in development. If is still in development why not wait for that and be able not only play the Last of Us remastered but all the PS3 games for a monthly fee is decent. Now I see why backwards compatibility got canned it was not due to different architecture (PS3 offered PS One and PS2 backwards compatibility with better visuals), or because it raise the price of the PS3 (PS2 when launched was the cheapest DVD player due to DVD players at a time cost $1000.000, it had a different disc format from CD rom to DVD ;yet., it still cost $300.00 it also had different architecture and better hardware than PS One but it was still $300.00) ( PS3 offered blue tooth technology, piano black finish case, flash media built-in adapter, the first multi threaded, built in graphics chip in a processor that raise the PS3 price I bet you a $100.00 that if the PS3 had come out with AMD parts from processor to graphics card, run of the mill plastic black case, no blue tooth technology or flash media built-in adapter the PS3 would of have cost $300.00) nope it was to resell the PS3 gaming library yay!!!

[zero_gamer]

It gets worse actually, there was an article submitted here on N4G the other day that suggests a console war between Xbox One and PS4 over remasters.

This generation is already going downhill.

[Chard]

Have you considered quitting gaming? All this intense over-analysis of such trivial issues must surely be impacting adversely on your enjoyment of this hobby.

[s45gr32]

I am disappointed with the gaming community accepting this remastered editions for $60.00 plus tax in the case of The Last of Us, Tomb Raider, and the upcoming Metro 2033 redux edition (first Metro game only). But when me and extremely few gamers that demanded backwards compatibility we were blasted to hell. The other downside is Playstation Now wich will allow gamers complete access to all Playstation games from PS One to PS3 for a monthly fee similar to PS Plus. So I mean wait for Playstation Now and get all the Playstation games that way than wasting it on a single game like the Last of Us remastered edition. Since nobody wants backwards compatibility ugh!!! This is why Steam, GOG, etc are better than the console manufacturers by selling old games at bargain prices, new games high price for a month or two third or second month half price. Is a concept that console gamers don't understand

[colonel179]

It is a cash grab for people that have already played it; but then again, if they want to buy it again, it's their problem. I for one, think it's stupid but they want to waste the money. Sadly though, if this becomes popular, publisher will spend more time making this, instead of real, new games.

With that said, if someone hasn't played it at all, it's a very good opportunity to do so.

[SnazzyGent]

"There are a lot of people who are migrating from the 360 and didn't get to play The Last of Us because they don't have a PS3..."

This is the precise boat that I'm in. I never owned a PS3 and now this is my chance to play The Last of Us. I welcome this and other re-releases as a way to make up for the experiences I lost being an Xbox 360 gamer.

"I will not support laziness, and I will not support blatant greed."

I'm no developer, but the work required even for a re-release doesn't seem "lazy" to me. Dozens of people are spending hundreds of hours and thousands of dollars to bring this game to a new platform. As for "blatant greed," stop being silly. Video games is a business. An industry. If they were making games just for you, I feel like the whole world would suffer.

[TransientDreamer]

The Legend of Dragoon and The Last Guardian have nothing to do with The Last of Us.

"Buying this shows a sign of approval that you'd easily accept remastered games as old as less than a year and older rather than demand new games, or information on games that should have already completed development and released by now. You're showing acceptance for slow releases and early announcements with the knowledge that the games being announced will not be out for ages."
Remastering old games has nothing to do with producing new games. Your condescending tone towards people who actually enjoy playing games on the newer systems doesn't help your argument or give you any credence either. By the way, Naughty Dog is currently working on a new game. You may have heard of it, it's called Uncharted 4.

"Games like The Last of Us or Tomb Raider Fraud Editions are meant to appease you, to make you forget about the lack of information on anticipated games, to take your attention away from delays, to gull you into a false sense of feeling that your wants and needs are being acknowledged and addressed when they aren't."
This asinine conspiracy theory is asinine. What evidence do you have to support this claim? None.

"We should expect and demand more, not congratulate and reward laziness. On the one hand, Sony is listening to fan requests which is good. On the other hand, they haven't listened to some key fan requests for a long time so it makes this move an obvious distraction in my opinion."
First of all, calling the developers lazy is extremely disrepsectful and uninformed. Second, this paragraph proves that this argument of yours is extremely self-serving. You're mad because you didn't get what you wanted. Join the party.

[BillytheBarbarian]

I love HD remakes. I'll never have a problem with releasing a better product of an already great one.

[Clown_Syndr0me]

I agree 100%. I will buy it as Ive never played it however I will buy it second hand and will not become a profit statistic.

[ironmonkey]

this is one of those games where attention was given 100% in detail. its one of the must haves out of all remakes but if you played it on ps3 its your choice but new comers its an experienced you wont see else where. just look at the awards.

[spike]

I just hope they continue this. I want some HD remakes of some PS2 games.

[mixelon]

I'm buying it, day 1. I don't really care about the implications of that. Definitely going to enjoy another playthrough on a better specced console.

I'd like to see more up-ports like this to be honest.. They're only a problem if you make them one. They're valuable practice for dev studios and they bring the games closer to "perfection". It's nice to know current gen owners will be able to enjoy something only PS3 owners have had until now.

[beatled]

most importantly, this version will (hopefully) not be covered in hideous jaggies everywhere and have artifacts all over the place, and will hopefully run nice and smooth and the texture resolution will not look like dirt

[Dannycr]

This is not even close to being similar to what Capcom does with Street Fighter IV.

Street Fighter IV is an infinite game. You can play the game endlessly, what they provide are updates for the same game, however, people can't seem to understand the concept.

You can have Street Fighter IV and update up to Ultra by paying $15.00 OR you can buy Ultra for full price if you don't have any of the games. This is what the fighting community wants because Street Fighter IV (Super and Arcade) are the most played games at EVO. We don't need Street Fighter 5, we want new character to have new challenges in the same game that we love to play.

This is actually what sports game should do. Instead of releasing games every 6months, just update stuff and then release a new game once you have a substantial upgrade.

[Exies7]

I didn't play either games, that's why I bought tomb raider and plan to buy Last of Us remastered.