Hardware Updates Like Xbox One X Will Be The Norm in the Future: Defiance 2050 Dev

"Development does not need to create on an entirely new architecture to be relevant with today’s technology," says Matt Pettit.

[darthv72]

If that's the case then it pays to just wait until mid gen to buy a new system. That way you can weigh each one and decide if you want the more expensive upgrade or find a cheaper base model.

[TheCommentator]

Wake up! The article is about abandoning generations like MS is already doing with the 1X (IE, not mid-gen), unlike Sony's mid-gen "upgrade" which won't play PS5 games. The ignorance around here is truly astonishing...

[darthv72]

Fair enough but they wont be having two iterations released on day one. Hence why i said it pays to wait until (what would be mid gen) when the upgraded unit is available to decide which is right.

I waited 3 years to get both base models. Especially the ps4 because i got it for $100 from a buddy who upgraded to the pro. So it was the best for me and i hope to capitalize on that situation again if the opportunity presents itself with a Ps5 / Ps5 Pro.

[getbacktogaming]

I just hope they are backwards compatible... I don't mind upgrading my hardware if at least I can get rid of old console while keeping my games

[Lennoxb63]

Both the PS4 Pro and the Xbox One X will play next gen games. So will the base models depending on how well they hold up. lmao

[TheCommentator]

@ Darthv72

MS will have two iterations released on day one though because when the "2X" launches, the 1X will become the base model. When the "3X" comes out the "2X" will become the base model, and again there will be two iterations in play.

Stop thinking about mid-gens like PS4/PS4 Pro. It's not the same concept because the PS4 Pro will not play PS5 games like the 1X will play "2X". If Sony sticks with the mid-gen approach for PS5, the PS5 Pro will not play PS6 either.

[DarkZane]

@Lennoxb63

No, the PS4 Pro will not be able to play PS5 games. Only the PS5 will be able to play PS5 games. The PS5 will likely be backward compatible with PS4 games and act as a PS4 Pro when you play a PS4 game though.

Microsoft are the ones who want forward compatibility, which means games will be playable on Xbox One, Xbox One X and the new xbox. However, it's very likely developers will abandon Xbox and make their games exclusively for PS5 and PC since they won't want to be held back by Xbox One and Xbox One X. Since they want to make the best games possible, the Xbox One and Xbox One X will hold them back because they're not powerful compared to an actual next-gen console.

[Lennoxb63]

@DarkZane

Don't know where you got your info but we've had cross gen games since the PS2/Xbox era. Don't know where you got the assumption that Xbox is going anywhere either.

[NXFather]

I agree with State of Decay being a decent game. Just unfortunately Xbox does not have alot of AAA new Ip that meet a good deal of people's expectations. However, there is no way Microsoft would make the weak hardware in the 1x their base hardware. If anything they would wait till the next pro box in the middle of next gen to start with the forward model. There is no way that the 1X will sell enough units by the time the PS5 launches for developers to not skip it. Also since their money will come from those much need new graphics/performance/new they simply would not view the 1X as the machine to start that vision with. I may happen but, it won't be the 1X.

[xX-oldboy-Xx]

darth72 - You know and I know, everybody knows, PlayStation is, was and will be the system to buy.

And waiting isn't the way to go, if everyone did what would be the incentive for devs and publishers to make games for said system.

[darthv72]

there will always be the early adopters, others choose to wait. And good things come to those who wait (like my getting the Ps4 for $100)

[xX-oldboy-Xx]

darth72 - In response to other comment, waiting 3yrs to buy a console and 'save' $100 is a little silly. Why deprive yourself of BLOODBORNE to save .10 cents a day.

Just sounds ridiculous to me, it surely wouldn't be hard to save a few bucks here and there and get a months from launch.

[ShottyatLaw]

There are many people who wait years to upgrade to new gen systems as it is. I think the mid gen upgrade is only going to encourage that type of thinking.

It's the games that matter, so we'll have to see what releases. If Somy keeps with tradition, they'll probably have a few great titles in those early years that are PS5 only. But with the slow start to the last two gens, and the PS4 Pro, is it really that ridiculous to wait to see if you should buy the upgraded system 3 years in when they're hitting their stride again?

Those games you missed will still be there, and there's a good chance that they'll be improved graphically on the PS5 Pro. I know I'm not going in on the launch of either whenever they do release.

[darthv72]

I "saved" $200 actually because I only paid $100 for it when they were still going for $300 when the Pro released. So it was worth it to me to have waited.

[xX-oldboy-Xx]

But that's my point, why miss anything? There'll be upgrade incentives in place, they're usually announce about 6 months before release - plenty of time to save money.

If gaming is something you love doing wouldn't having the best system available at that time be the way to go.

If I was an xbox guy (thank the stars for common sense) I'd be all over the x. It just makes sense to me to support a company (who ever you support) that gives back.

[rainslacker]

That's how I'd feel if mid-gens became a thing. More likely we'd eventually see something more akin to the mobile market, where legacy support is mandated for a period of time, and after that, it's up to the dev....but I feel that could become a quagmire of pain in the ass considerations about who to support, and could very well lead to less consoles being sold because people will always feel they can wait it out another 2-3 years, which they may feel again when the next iteration comes out.

Hardcore will jump on each iteration more often than not, so there would be hardware sales. But realistically, the greater console market would just feel burned out. It's not like phones where people think they always need the newest thing, or have it subsidized to feel like they aren't actually having to buy a new phone.

[pcz]

So we will all be PC gamers, basically

[Lennoxb63]

Not really. Still a lot cheaper than a PC of the same price.

[JonTheGod]

"Still a lot cheaper than a PC of the same price"

..... read that back to yourself.
........ now read it again.
........... hang your head in idiotic shame!

[Lennoxb63]

@JonTheGod

You know what I meant. Cheaper than a PC that runs as well. Don't know how a typo makes me an idiot.

[xX-oldboy-Xx]

JonTheGod - How much is 8gig of Ram? How much for decent CPU? How much for a decent Power Supply? How much for decent case? How much for a decent GPU? How much for a decent Motherboard? How much for the OS?

Now with all that said - I need someone to build it, or I buy prebuilt (more money).

I've personally built 4 systems over the last 6 or so yes, some people dont want to invest the time to learn how to do it or configure the system to run smoothly.

The performance of the Pro and especially the x would be an absolute Frankenstein rig to.match the value and performance.

I know which way I'd go.

[narsaku]

LOL @JON UR GETTING DISLIKES!!

BAAAHAHAAAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!

[Artemidorus]

Master race would laugh hard at that.

It is never a bad thing to keep providing updates.

[CobraKai]

So if that’s the case, why buy the initial system when you know an upgrade is looming in the distance?

[darthv72]

my thought exactly. Wait until both iterations are out and then decide, unless you are an early adopter or want to hold some sort of status above your friends by saying you have the latest and greatest. Everyone has their own comfort level of when they want to buy into something.

[kneon]

But by that logic you should wait until the next iteration after that, or maybe the one after that one, see how it goes?

I'm expecting next gen to be backwards compatible, and that games will support both gens until a few years after the previous gen goes out of production. So you can upgrade when you can afford it and not worry about when the next upgrade comes out, otherwise you will wait forever.

[yellowgerbil]

Well by that logic Darth if you waited 3 years for a better midgen, you are in a predicament, because in 3 short years there is a new version, so wait an extra 3... damnit now it's only 3 years to midgen ps6 time for that waiting game again

[darthv72]

@both above... what makes you think I wasn't already going to do that? Like i said, everyone has their own comfort level of jumping into a new console. I now realize I dont have to be an early adopter as I'm not proving anything to anyone by doing so. I will watch patiently on the fence while others get theirs and when the time is right for me... I will get one. And i know I'm not alone in doing that seeing how the Ps4 is still continuing to sell years after it launched and these are all people who also waited.

We arent missing out on anything by waiting because all those games released are still considered new experiences to us holdouts. And we get to experience them at their fullest since patches and dlc would have been made available by this time. You guys knock it but really its okay to play the waiting game. Especially since there is a plethora of games from all walks of life that I still have yet to even be played.

[blackblades]

Why wait for a upgrade when you know the next system is coming. You buy it so you can play it at that time if you can wait 3 more years after the ininitial release by all means wait, your patience must be strong. I don't mind it, it's a option.

[narsaku]

Why buy a new console when u know the next gen is looming in the distance?

..Why do anything if tomorrow new happens.

My god.

[CobraKai]

Um next gen is different. It’s not a mid generation upgrade. It usually entails a full system upgrade not just bits and parts.

[PhoenixUp]

I sure hope not

[The_Sage]

Microsoft did say that they are going with an iterative model in the future. Sony said they will not and that they will have full generations.

[bigmalky]

The media are pushing this idea, but I doubt it. If it's pushed like mobile phones are, people will get sick of shelling out for consoles, as we have the added price of games to stack on top of the initial cost, whereas phones don't.

This gen was about moving to 4K with the console upgrades... Next gen probably won't be having an upgrade for 8K, as a minority have only just switched to 4K.

Stop listening to the media, who somehow see benefit in all of us throwing our money away so they can write about it.

[DivineAssault]

I dont see anything wrong with 2 SKUs for nx gen.. Like before with a premium or base console except now the premium versions will actually have premium features... Not just more storage..