Sony Will Not Allow Crossplay On Ark: Survival Evolved Between Xbox One and PS4

Sony continues to prevent crossplay between Xbox and PS4 gamers, now confirmed by the Lead Director and Co-Creative Director behind the popular Ark: Survival Evolved

[chrisx]

No P.

[freshslicepizza]

Well at least developers are finally coming out and saying it how it is instead of some feeble attempt like they have always supported crossplay but in reality that was only for the PC. Which is so hilarious given the fact Sony created the PS4 Pro to try and curb gamers from migrating to the PC.

[uptownsoul]

@moldybread - "instead of some feeble attempt like they have always supported crossplay but in reality that was only for the PC"

I love that you think its a "feeble attempt" when PlayStation has supported crossplay on PC (as if thats not real cross play).

But more importantly, I love that nobody cared about cross-console play for the entire decade before Phil Spencer said anything about it in 2016. Now people act as if its the most important thing in their gaming lives. As if people look back at their PS3/360 experience and now think that time sucked.

(and for the record I'm cool if Sony does allow cross console play...but if they don't my gaming enjoyment will stay just the same as it has since the beginning of online console gaming in 2005-2006)

[freshslicepizza]

@uptownsoul
"I love that nobody cared about cross-console play for the entire decade before Phil Spencer said anything about it in 2016."

People seemed to care way back in 2010 when it was announced on the PS3 and crossplay with the PC for Portal.

http://n4g.com/news/547229/...

If nobody cared we wouldn't see developers speaking out about it and we wouldn't see companies like Sony still talking about it with the PC. But of course now you want to downplay it and act like evryone thinks it's the biggest thing ever just because we are speaking about it while Sony looks silly about why they refuse to support it.

[extermin8or]

It's quite simple, Microsoft want players to have to use xbl for cross play titles. So for minecraft and others including this I presume they want ps4 players using xbl.

[MegamanXXX]

It is hilarious but I also think crossplay is irrelevant. I don't really care to much for it. It is what it is. Maybe it will be more popular next gen

[Kribwalker]

@exterminator
Rocket league said it has nothing to do with xbl, it was all through their servers

[uptownsoul]

@moldybread - "People seemed to care way back in 2010 when it was announced on the PS3 and crossplay with the PC for Portal."

I agree that people have cared about crossplay with PC for a long while now.

But even as people talked about crossplay with PC (as far back as far back as Final Fantasy 11 on PS2), nobody ever talked about (or cared about) cross-console play between consoles from different companies from 2005 through 2015 (the same way nobody today expects to buy songs on iTunes & play them on Android devices).

@moldybread - "If nobody cared we wouldn't see developers speaking out about it and we wouldn't see companies like Sony still talking about it with the PC."

I'm not saying nobody cares today...I'm saying nobody cared about crossplay between consoles until 2016 (even though online console gaming has been big for over a decade)...I'm just wondering why it matters so much to people when nobody ever spoke of it for the entire 10 years of online console gaming prior to 2016.

I just find it odd that NOBODY cared about cross-console play (crossplay between consoles) prior to 2016 & now people are bringing this up now as if its a deal breaker...

If Sony opts in, cool...If they don't then continue enjoying the same online console experience you had no problem with since 2005 (for 360) & 2006 (for PS3)

[subtenko]

there exclusives curb players from migrating from PC....plus the fact that a lot of us have PC already big dummy :p

[Eonjay]

This sound like a fanboy problem.... We already told you how to play with us if you are so interested.
Also for the kids here who don't understand, Microsoft is a major competitor to Sony and you are never gonna make Sonny wrong for not sharing its success with Microsoft. Just stop begging.

[darthv72]

Console cross platform play benefits everyone.

[thekhurg]

This game is awful anyway.

[DarXyde]

"We have a high level of expectation for our game developers to ensure that all Live experiences remain top notch. Because we can't guarantee this level of quality, or control the player experience on other consoles or gaming networks, we currently do not open our network to games that allow this cross-over capability."

-- said by a Microsoft representative, 2012

Coincidentally, Sony and Microsoft were far more competitive last generation. Microsoft also said no to it when they were doing better in their territory... now, they're not.

Sony's excuse may be bogus, but maybe this hope of cross platform play is just a ruse on both sides because the side that wants it (the losing side) knows the winning side will not agree to it.

At the very least, Sony does not mind cross play with PC-- they've been doing it longer than Microsoft with the PS2 which is bloody tragic. With consoles, let's wait and see how Microsoft reacts when they're the console leaders again....*IF they're ever the console leaders again.

[zackeroniii]

if the ps4 pro is trying to crub gamers from migrating to pc then i wonder what the xbox one x is doing...hmmmm

[TankCrossing]

@uptownsoul you've seriously never heard people talking about a popular game like COD or FIFA, and discovering they can't play together because they have the games on different platforms?

Just because people don't see or talk about the solution much, doesn't mean NOBODY WANTS a solution.

[Iloveherliezz]

@uptownsoul

2005-2006 is your beginning of online console gaming not mine.

[WelkinCole]

The reason why MS said no to cross platform play with Sony last gen it was because it would help Sony when Sony was behind.

Now that Sony is ahead Sony is refusing cross platform with MS because it would help MS.

So really why cry about this now?. It is a business decision that really does not affect me in anycase because I never cared about cross platform play.

So stop with your self righteous crap.

[S2Killinit]

This is so old news.

[Christopher]

If the host has to be tethered to the Xbox account, I'm not sure I would allow it either. They're not using neutral environment hosts, but are using P2P with Xbox hosts being primary. People should be allowed to determine primary host, not just "XBL user is host".

But, having said that, I'm guessing Sony still wouldn't allow it even if the PS4 had to be the primary host. Because, hey, they're winning and stuff.

***Rocket league said it has nothing to do with xbl, it was all through their servers***

Yeah, this is why I made that last statement. I mean, it's stupid to prefer one platform as host over another, but even then, if they use neutral ground services, Sony still doesn't want it for some reason. Only logical conclusion is business decision was made, not user-based decision.

[generic-user-name]

"Sony created the PS4 Pro to try and curb gamers from migrating to the PC."

Their exclusives already do that. The Pro is for those who want to take advantage of the growing numbers of 4k TVs in the wild. Hey, guess what company makes 4K TVs?

[rainslacker]

" some feeble attempt like they have always supported crossplay but in reality that was only for the PC"

So, Sony always supported cross play is what you're saying?

[rainslacker]

@Chris

I read that and thought it might be a problem, but he did say "IF", which I'm assuming means that the opposite would be true.

But, reading that, and unsure if it was related to the cross play thing, it made me wonder if the issue is Sony isn't willing to allow cross play with other consoles that utilize P2P connections. I could see this actually being a fairly serious security concern for any company, which wouldn't be an issue with Sony's own network API's to fascilitate the feature on PC. Moldy won't understand, but in this, just trust me that P2P anything is generally frowned upon for cross network interpretation. Such a thing, if I was in charge of their network security, I would say would need a neutral API developed jointly, or through a independant 3rd party, where the low level security protocals would be protected from the other company.

Minecraft is the only game which uses dedicated servers I'm aware of with all these devs which are saying things, and I can see the reason why Sony wouldn't want the whole XBL requirement.

But if what I'm thinking might be true, then it actually does make more sense why Sony has not been interested.

In any case, until a dev can say why Sony had denied them, the argument seems to be where it's always been. Moldy will blame Sony, I'll posit potential scenarios and admit Sony may just not care to offer it, and a lot of others probably won't care that much.

I'd love if Sony and MS just started allowing it without so much fuss, or one or both of the companies coming out and being transparent on the reasons why without trying to spin it into some nonsense which probably isn't the the entirity of the situation.

@moldy

Notice that quote from DarXyde? That's basically what Sony said. MS just didn't use the "think of the children" nonsense. Funny how MS reasons were exactly the same back in 2012. Apparently, 4 years later, when Spencer first said something, it wasn't an issue anymore for them.

[LandoCalrissiano]

I've always cross platform play from the moment I got a 360 and started playing online almost a decade ago, not when Phil started talking about it.

[showtimefolks]

Moldy

65 million install base is enough no need for cross play especially when your competition has everything to gain and you got nothing to gain

It's called smart business buddy

[trooper_]

Just stop it.

Really.

[whothedog]

Can I ask what is inappropriate about my comment above? I probably shouldn't expect a answer though. Or just get flagged for being inappropriate again :P

[Realms]

@ Moldy

Typical fanboy making noise over nothing PS fans don't care get over it Sony has been doing cross play long before MS ever did so this so call outrage over not wanting cross play with MS screams of desperation.

[Tres21]

Yall kill me cross play is a cool feature plain an simple. I just want to play with my friends if we want to play on 2 different systems and they can make it happen thats cool 4 me at least.
I can use my same character that i spent the time on my system with someone else who played on their system i honestly dont care whose stoppin it. It would just be nice if they could hav sumthin goofy lik a beta to see if any1 would try it

[TheGoodestBoi]

"I love that nobody cared about cross-console play for the entire decade before Phil Spencer said anything about it in 2016"
Only xbots care because they have half the install base. Shame, poor plebs.

[butchertroll]

How low Xbone fan can go just to flag my previous post as inappropriate just to hide some facts in my previous post?

AGAIN :

You trying too hard, Moldy!

Jeez, just look at disagree votes on all your posts.

Btw. Sony last-gen tried crossplay with MS. MS didn't allowed that.

http://m.neogaf.com/showthr...

Why you, Moldybread, an XBOX Fan, won't try to blame your lovely Microsoft then, hm?

EDIT :
Btw. Moldybread, did you know that MS won't allow PC players to play Fortnite with Xbone players?

8.3.2017
EA PATCH NOTES 1.4
By The Fortnite Team

Xbox
Fixed a rare audio crash on Xbox One.
Per policy discussion with Microsoft, removed ability for PC friends to join players on Xbox One

http://m.neogaf.com/showthr...

https://www.epicgames.com/f...

I'm asking you again :

Why you, Moldybread, an XBOX Fan, won't try to blame your lovely Microsoft then, hm?

[IGiveHugs2NakedWomen]

Of course the developer isn't going to supply a reason for that denial because being vague generates more buzz for this average game.

[bluefox755]

Same, crossplay is near the bottom of the list of my concerns. Don't worry though, Xbox uber fans will have plenty of problem with it. Everyone needs to face it, it's a non-issue that only fanboys care about, and not even for the right reasons.

[smashman98]

Or maybe people that would like to play with friends while playing on the platform of their choosing. Just sayin

[Aceman18]

I know I'm not losing any sleep over this lol.

[RememberThe357]

I'm with you here. As much as crossplay expands the player network, I also know that PSN and XBL are separate networks. Sony can't regulate players on Xbox and MS can't regulate players on PSN. They both want full control over their networks and that's not going to change. It is what it is and it's a loss you take when you jump into online console networks; we get an easy pick up and play setup but we also get limitations.

@DarXyde
Great comment, everything I was thinking, said far better.

[jairusmonillas]

Team Xbox is just desperate because they have a powerful xbox one x without a inferior userbase for online multiplayer. Stop with the paid articles and paid trolls to spread negativity about Sony. Team Xbox should just use their left over money to make a better system and not be a sore loser.

Playstation 4 Crossplay list:
Rocket League (PC & PS4), Street Fighter 5 (PC & PS4), Dragon Quest X (Nintendo & PS4), Final Fantasy XIV (PC, PS3,PS4), WarThunder (PC & PS4), DCuniverse (PC & PS4), Paragon (PC & PS4), Gwent (PC & PS4)

Xbox One Crossplay list:
Minecraft
Rocket League

[Destiny1080]

thank you sony

[Kribwalker]

Please explain to me why it's a bad thing to allow crossplay. Like a real, honest reason...

[uptownsoul]

@Kribwalker

Its not a bad thing...Sony's been doing crossplay w/PC for over a decade. As for cross console play, I don't understand why Sony would do it...

For one, nobody even cared about cross console play prior to 2016 (even though online console gaming was a thing in 2005 (360) & 2006 (PS3))

And two, its called business...The same reason why you cant buy a song on iTunes & play it on your Android phone, or buy the kids meal at Burger King and expect McDonalds to give you their kid's toy.

[freshslicepizza]

@uptownsoul
"Its not a bad thing...Sony's been doing crossplay w/PC for over a decade. As for cross console play, I don't understand why Sony would do it... "

So maybe they can play with their friends on other platforms just like how Sony allows it on the PC. Why would they allow it on the PC? Another reason is to help people search and keep online games more populated. You don't think games like Titanfall 2 could benefit with more players? You don't think it is a good idea to share and get new updates for Minecraft? You are doing a pitiful job as a consumer where you have to think real hard why it's a good thing.

"For one, nobody even cared about cross console play prior to 2016 (even though online console gaming was a thing in 2005 (360) & 2006 (PS3))"

Yes they did and they still do. It's why Sony continues to offer it with the PC. If nobody cared they would really lock the gates.

http://n4g.com/news/547229/...

"And two, its called business...The same reason why you cant buy a song on iTunes & play it on your Android phone, or buy the kids meal at Burger King and expect McDonalds to give you their kid's toy."

Itunes can be played on multiple devices and if you buy a PC or a Mac it can play on both, try harder. You can also go to McDonalds and also go to Burger King and eat both burgers at home in comfort. I don't need McDonals telling me it's unsanitary or unsafe to mix my burgers, thank you very much.

The lengths you guys go to to trty and validate this is insane. All it shows is you don't like the bad press. Well guess what, it's not your company, all you should care about is your own enjoyment and if they allow crossplay it does not hurt your enjoyment. In fact it could help it but you want to think of stupid analogies why its bad.

[Silly gameAr]

Please explain why you care? Honest question.

[Kribwalker]

@sillygamer

Because though I own both systems, I have friends that just have Xbox and friends that just have PlayStation and it would be fun to play all together

[morganfell]

Cross play isn't needed by PS4 fans, and that excludes the very small number of people like you. Trying to please a handful of people is not worth the sacrifice being requested of PS4 gamers on the whole. You see, it ain't about you. Every little minority thinks they should get their way and screw the majority. No. Effing no.

Crossplay will only induce more game issues, more server related problems, claims in anger blaming game deaths on cross play code, more resources expended on what is quite honestly a useless feature. That money should be put into making the game itself better and if you knew squat about Ark you would know it needs to be better.

MS doesn't deserve to have Sony help them out of the hole which they have dug. Some hold onto the fallacy, and it is a great lie, that competition always benefits the consumer. Well, it doesn't. Not always. Not ion this case. It is a worn out bit of once upon a time wisdom whose day has passed. In this case MS is harming gaming. Some of the good ideas they contributed are no longer worth the damage they do. And they have harmed gaming since the beginning when they came into an ecosystem with no concern or concept and simply tried to rip apart and buy up the world to serve their own aims of domination. Well they failed. Put a fork in them. The sooner they are gone as a hardware manufacturer and Xbox becomes a service like Steam the better gaming will be.

[freshslicepizza]

@morganfell
"MS doesn't deserve to have Sony help them out of the hole which they have dug. Some hold onto the fallacy, and it is a great lie, that competition always benefits the consumer. Well, it doesn't. Not always. Not ion this case. It is a worn out bit of once upon a time wisdom whose day has passed. In this case MS is harming gaming. Some of the good ideas they contributed are no longer worth the damage they do. And they have harmed gaming since the beginning when they came into an ecosystem with no concern or concept and simply tried to rip apart and buy up the world to serve their own aims of domination. Well they failed. Put a fork in them. The sooner they are gone as a hardware manufacturer and Xbox becomes a service like Steam the better gaming will be."

As I said before, you guys will go to any lengths to make it Microsoft's fault. Doesn't matter about what developers want, doesn't matter that Nintendo was greenlighting this years ago for Pure Chess and Sony ignoring those requests from the developer back then too. Nope, it's Microsoft's fault.

"You are on here crying about Ark because you do not want to be reminded about Crackdown. And with Crackdown being an example of MS' expertise I do not want my PS4 connected in anyway to that ecosystem."

Sony must be proud to have customers like you who can turn a third party developer explaining why there won't be crossplay because of Sony's stance on the subject to you now talking about Crackdown 3 which has absolutley nothing to do with this subject. Deflect, dodge, it's all you guys want to do when the heat comes down like as though you feel obligated to make it go away.

[King_Lothric]

Ask Microsoft why they denied crossplay with Sony back them and why Xbox community agree with MS and didn't critized at all.

Why begging now?

[trooper_]

Please explain why you guys suddenly care.

Because when Sony introduced it, you guys were too busy frothing at the mouth over sales.

[jairusmonillas]

Typical Paid Xbox Trolls to spread false rumors about PS4 crossplay.

Playstation 4 Crossplay list:
Rocket League (PC & PS4), Street Fighter 5 (PC & PS4), Dragon Quest X (Nintendo & PS4), Final Fantasy XIV (PC, PS3,PS4), WarThunder (PC & PS4), DCuniverse (PC & PS4), Paragon (PC & PS4), Gwent (PC & PS4)

Xbox One Crossplay list:
Minecraft
Rocket League

[Kribwalker]

@jair

"Playstation 4 Crossplay list:
Rocket League (PC & PS4), Street Fighter 5 (PC & PS4), Final Fantasy XIV (PC, PS3,PS4), WarThunder (PC & PS4), DCuniverse (PC & PS4), Paragon (PC & PS4), Gwent (PC & PS4)

Xbox One Crossplay list:
Minecraft (Nintendo/iOS/android/PC)
Rocket League (switch/pc/Xbox)
Gears 4
Gwent
Forza 7
FH3
Recore
Ark
Astroneer
Fable fortune
Everspace
Halo wars definitive
Sea of thieves
Crackdown 3
Slime rancher
Halo 5 multiplayer
Killer instinct
Happy wars
Happy dungeons
Gigantic
Phantom dust

And plenty more

[extermin8or]

@mouldy Sony don't really consider themselves in competition with PC. They've said this before. The pro was to offer an alternative for customers moving to PC only but in reality it was primarily aimed at 4k TV owners.

[KyRo]

Of all games to complain about this its Ark? It's all kind of terrible. Worst purchase I've ever bought on PSN tbh.

[Aloren]

How many hours did you play? Ark is like a 10000 pages book with a tedious 200 page beginning, it's not a game you get to enjoy in an hour. It's not even a game for everyone. But it can also be extremely addictive.

[starrman1985]

You get three types of people who react to this cross-play situation:

1. Xbox One owners (obviously)
2. Die hard PS4 owners
3. Gamers

The problem is 2/3 actually see the good this could do, 1/3 just don't want it despite the fact it could benefit them...

[Aenea]

Hmmm, so Xbox One owners aren't gamers huh?

[starrman1985]

By that logic it would also mean PS4 players aren't gamers either!

[coolbeans]

Well, I think Aenea was pointing out how you categorized the 3 subsets there. As if owners of consoles =/= gamers. Xbox One + PS4 "fanboys" would've been the best method of classification, though I think everyone understands your point.

[travestyj]

Xbox players are so toxic that I am thankful Sony is keeping them from us. I hope they continue too, they are the most obnoxious and sheepish fanbase of any product I've ever had the displeasure of coming into contact with.

awful and downright shitty individuals. Funny watching them pretend to care about this just so they can say something negative about Sony. Hypocrites.

[OffRoadKing]

1/3 are also manufacturing outrage over it cause it gives them an excuse to talk negatively about Sony. I'll let you guess which 1/3 it is.

[starrman1985]

travesty and off road, please enlighten me with some decent reasons why Sony shouldn't support share play?

For the record, I play on PS4 80% of the time, I just have several groups of friends who exclusively play on Xbox One but I am too established on Ps4 to make the switch now.

But yeah, give me some reasons why they shouldn't support it, aside from the usual moronic droning of blah blah xbox fan, blah blah Sony fan bull**** that I see copy and pasted on here 20 times a day.

[travestyj]

Do you mean from a business stand point? Why would they? It doesn't benefit them in any way, it benefits Microsoft giving them access to PS4 players.

It would mean people don't need to buy a PS4 to play certain games with their friends on PS4 and can buy an Xbox instead. It would actually be a really dumb business decision. Most people that play games do so on PS4 meaning chances are most people's friends own a PS4, to play with them you must own a PS4...

Sony know no one buys a PS4 to play with Xbox players either so when people try to pretend it is somehow hurting their player base it is nonsensical.

If a game is dead in PS4 chances are it already died on Xbox One long ago so no it won't help prolong games on PS4. It would actually benefit consumers more to buy a PS4 to play with the larger user base regardless of if they are your friends or not.

And no it isn't hurting developers either by not having it, developers already make a lot more from PS4 than any other platform.

Microsoft is only promoting this for PR reasons. They denied it last gen when they were in the lead for good reason. Why would Sony help them now? If a competitor screws you over in the past why would you go out of your way to help them when you have the upper hand? Again that would just be bad business.

Lastly 99% of people that play video games don't care no matter how much they pretend to on the internet. Most of these threads are filled with Xbox fanboys just looking to take shots at Sony. Likely because they are insecure about their own platform. They also probably don't even like playing with each other since they know they themselves are so toxic.

There is no logical reason for Sony to give Microsoft Access to their player base. Just like why you can't buy McDonald's food at Burger King, McDonald's wants you to go to their restaurant to buy their food but I'm sure BK would love it if you could buy both at their restaurant, more customers.

[starrman1985]

Sorry travestyj, I meant to say give me some decent reason why you don't think it's a good idea?

[travestyj]

I gave you valid and logical reasons as to what they wouldn't do it. Guess you aren't smart enough to understand logic. You must be an Xbox shill, you have too much in common with them. If you can't understand reason there's no much hope for you. Sorry. Xbox fans really are cancer.

[starrman1985]

@travestyj - So basically you can't give a decent reason why it is in anyway bad for the gamers? just for Sony? Who's motto is For the Players...

I am more than aware why Sony aren't for it, but at this point it's coming across from a more greedy/monopolising stand point. You have support from Xbox, Switch and PC and the only partner not playing is Sony. They don't need to, I get that, but get your tongue out of their arse for a moment, there is no reason any PS4 player should be for their decision unless they are so elitist that they just refuse to see the positives.

Also, if you took the time to read any of my posts before immediately going into a blind rage, you would have read that I am in fact a PS4 user more than any other system.

You say Xbox fan are a cancer, well in this situation it's very very much the elitist PS4 snobs like yourself that are the cancer, you have such a warped vision of what is right for gaming.

[travestyj]

Yes Sony is for Playstation players, that is what their motto means. Why would they be for Xbox players? Microsoft isn't even for Xbox players. It's not Sony's job to help out Xbox and make it more enticing, that's what Microsoft should be doing and they are failing miserably at it.

Cross play will do nothing for PS4 players except expose them to the most toxic online fanbase. I already explained that in my first comment but you must have missed that somehow, I suggest you take your own advice and do some reading before commenting.

Every company is greedy, that's what they exist to do, make as much money as possible, not sure who told you otherwise. One of the reasons Microsoft is pushing this is so they can make more money, they want access to PS4 players and want to give people a reason not to buy one.

Perhaps what they should be doing is investing in video games, the thing people buy video game consoles for instead of asking Sony for handouts. There are even more cross play games between PS4 and PC than there is for Xbox. Sony has no issue with that. The only reason Nintendo is going for it because they barely even have online or a player base. They have nothing to lose while Sony does. Do yourself a favor and never try to start your own business, you'll fail.

It also doesn't matter what you try to convince people of on the internet, it's obvious you're just another lowly Xbox shill. It's all over your comment history. Saying "I play PS4 more" on the internet won't make others ignore your clear bias towards Microsoft. If I say all this and say "but I play Xbox more", would you believe me?

And yes Xbox fans are cancer, it is common knowledge, we don't want to deal with them and neither does Sony. We'd all be better off if you cultists didn't exist and do us a favor and stay off the internet., smarten up and go buy an actual console with actual games, not one with more OS updates. Use your head before you reply please. Only so much stupidity I can read in one day.

[Aenea]

"By that logic it would also mean PS4 players aren't gamers either!"

No... You mentioned 3 types of people:
1) Xbox One owners (all of them)
2) Die hard PS4 owners (only a small subset of them)
3) Gamers

Which makes me conclude you believe all Xbox One owners and a few die hard PS4 fans aren't gamers...

------
Also, Sony is allowing SharePlay, it's something they invented and is not available on Xbox. Perhaps you meant crossplay?

The way everyone should want to have crossplay is actual, proper crossplay. You know, when you can invite your Xbox friends on the PS4 and vice versa to a game and a party chat. But all these games saying they have crossplay running do not implement that. You will only be playing with random people from other consoles you can't pick and chose them.

If they ever do it I hope they will do it the right way with party chat and game invites across networks (XBL, PSN, Steam, Nintendo...)...

[starrman1985]

@travestyj - This is my last reply, mainly because we are both starting to sound like broken records now.

So your only real reason why you wouldn't want cross-play is because of the "toxic" Xbox userbase? yet every reply you have given me has been more and more toxic, I'm looking at it from a gaming point of view. I don't care if Sony don't need to do it, it also wouldn't hurt them to do it either. And if you choose to not believe that I play PS4 to strengthen your.. I'd say argument but really it's just a load of hate, then that's fine. I know I play PS4 and as far as I am concerned that's all that matters.

Sony have by far, BY FAR a much much stronger line-up of exclusives, and yes, I do have a soft spot for Xbox (the underdog and all I guess) but if any of console-less friends ask me for for advice, I can't recommend the Xbox one over the PS4. But as I said originally, I have several groups of friends who have Xbox Ones, who are getting the One X who I would love to play with, but because Sony don't need this feature they refuse to consider it despite it being very good for the gaming community (considering they prob hold the highest user-base!)

Just stop firing your hate based on what Microsoft has done to you (probably nothing...) and think of the actual players, I am not surprised you think the Xbox community is toxic given how ridiculously hot headed and blinded you appear to be, you're probably just getting these responses because you need to be a little more open minded with the situation before giving people both barrels.

Finally, it's all over my comment history because I DO want both companies to succeed and I said before I am giving the underdog a bit of support, I want them to get back into the game again, competition is good. I don't even need to read your comment history to get an assessment of the type of character you are.

[EmperorDalek]

#4thegamers

[81BX]

Yes, thank you Sony for taking a gaming option off the table /s. Would have been nice for some games, like Ark. Not saying all games need it but to praise a company for this move is just mindless droning.

[Nyxus]

I'm trying to care...

[OffRoadKing]

Come on you're supposed to be outraged over this. Also be angry about no backwards compatibility, if you're not already.

[UCForce]

Those features are not important. Those are just secondary. The primary one is exclusive game of console. Sony and Nintendo have one of those. Microsoft don't have one.

[freshslicepizza]

@UCForce
"Those features are not important. Those are just secondary. The primary one is exclusive game of console. Sony and Nintendo have one of those. Microsoft don't have one."

Lots of people are suggesting one of the reasons why Sony allows crossplay with just the PC is because they are not a direct competitor, so what platform will you be playing Sea of Thieves on or State of Decay 2 or Cuphead or Forza 7?

Now tell me again why allowing crossplay with other consoles would suddenly diminish Sony's ability to provide you with PS4 exclusive games? This is about a third party publisher wanting to offer it and all these games including Ark, Minecraft and Rocket League, are not hurting for players on the Xbox or the PC. So this conversation Sony doesn't need to help Microsoft out is another baseless claim.

Every angle you view this as is simply just distasteful and disengenous on Sony's part, who have said for at least a year they are willing to listen to developers when in reality they never were.

People who also say this is no big deal or they don't care also relates to the fact we haven't really seen much of this progress over the years so we really don't know how many will actually enjoy it or not. So far its mainly been with just the PC and since there is hardly any discussion about the PC on the forums my guess is that's why its hardly ever talked about to begin with.

[DeadSilence]

Good, allow just with pc and Nintendo, let Xbox sink.

[Kribwalker]

That's ms that's working with Nintendo

[Prince_TFK]

If xbox sinks, there will be no more competitors beside Nintendo. This will be bad for the industry and for us gamer.

But yeah why care about that when you can sleep and hug your preferred plastic console.

[rainslacker]

Why would it be bad?

Maybe it'd open the door for a better competitor to enter the market.

[Prince_TFK]

Rainslacker

Don't you think that if any company want to enter the market, why haven't they entered since a long time ago? Why wait till MS fails and enter? Doesn't that give a bad vibe of the industry that is falling and entering it would be a mistake?

And if you want competition, why not allow for MS to exist with other companies as well? Why do they need to die in order for other competitors to rise up? Atlus had just announced a new console if you haven't heard, and they didn't wait for MS to die in order to do it.

[extermin8or]

@kun_adr because market is saturated atm. Another console just splits existing market shares, likely the entrenched companies would be safe and a new entry would struggle to claw user base off them.

[XiNatsuDragnel]

That sucks :(

[slavish0]

Lol we all now this. It sucks for customers because this could allow old games to have more people to play with.

[masterfox]

"Sony Will Not Allow Crossplay On Ark" <--- Oh no the humanity!!, somebody please think of the children dammit!! :P

[BootHammer]

That's disappointing, and Sony is way too smart to be doing this for much longer. It's just not a good look.

[Eonjay]

And all Apple games will be compatible with their Android counterparts!
Wait you just invented something in your head specific to Sony?

[TankCrossing]

Eh? Loads of phone software works between iOS and Android. WhatsApp even lets the guy with the Windows phone get involved!

[slavish0]

U r a idiot.

[bluefox755]

It's a non-issue. If people actually cared about it, Sony would be doing it.

[King_Lothric]

But yet it was OK when MS did it and refused crossplay.

Oh the hipocresy!

[Movefasta1993]

I think Sony deep down knows that if their positions were swapped,and Microsoft was the the one selling 60+,they wouldn't allow it.

[Liqu1d]

Everyone knows that since it happened last gen.

[TKCMuzzer]

Correct, they have to whats best for their business, we may be gamers but the truth is a vast majority of gamers don't understand the business side and there is no doubt if the tables were turned Microsoft would do exactly the same thing, if you don't think so you are one of those gamers who doesn't understand business.
I mean could you ever imagine Microsoft trying to dominate an area and not allow anyone else into the market (cough, Windows). Don't pretend that companies are not as bad as one another.

[King_Lothric]

Exactly. MS already denied Sony and Playstation owners didn't care.

Xbox fans should go on with their lives and stop crying.

[Aloren]

MS had cross platform with PC early last gen. They didn't allow it with PS3 for obvious reasons : PSN was free, XBL wasn't. (and yeah PC is free, but it's not a console) Now that they offer similar services, I don't think it would change anything for either MS or Sony and it would just increase the playerbase, which could be good for either extremely popular games that everyone has but not necessarily on the same gaming device, or games with a small playerbase .

But well, their business, their decision.

[extermin8or]

They sell consoles to people wanting to play with friends. Infact it's a big factor in particular for people deciding to switch console apparently.

[DillyDilly]

So pretty much all it will take is one big game between Switch, XBOX & PC allowing cross play & Sony will be left out in the dust. Not even Rocket League is that game but perhaps Microsoft & Nintendo should come together & get a game going specifically for this reason. PlayerUnknown Battlegrounds COULD be that game if it was also on the Switch. But like I said all it would take is brain storming between Microsoft & Nintendo to attack Sony head on as Microsoft & Nintendo should use this to their advantage against Sony. Microsoft & Nintendo teaming up against Sony imagine that

[Silly gameAr]

What a crock lol.

[BiggerBoss]

Lol you act like a game having cross play is gonna knock Sony off the throne lmao. Microsoft and Nintendo could team up, and Sony would still stomp them into the dirt.

Xbox was in the lead last gen, and they didn't allow cross play with ps3. But now that Sony is in the lead again, Xbox fans are gonna cry and say they deserve to play with ps4 people.

[FGHFGHFGH]

Why won't Microsoft allow cross play with PUBG, Conan, Path of Exiles, etc on pc? Why can't COD bought from windows store play with other pc players? Why does SONY have more cross network games than Microsoft? If Microsoft was really interested in cross network play they would have more games that do it.

[DillyDilly]

They don't own those games

[Dark_Knightmare2]

Dude you take this console s**t way too seriously besides why the hell would Nintendo ever team up with ms of all gaming companies

[Chexs1990]

I'd rather the Devs spend time on actually finishing the game, than concerning themselves with cross-play.
Right now it's a frame drop extravaganza, it's unoptimized as hell and I can't get a refund. So at least I hope they won't f**k us over and bail with the money Mighty Hero style -_-

[ONESHOTV2]

"'it's a frame drop extravaganza, it's unoptimized as hell" why not blame the console hardware it self because I have no problem running this at maxed settings

[Majin-vegeta]

Cuz this is a problem with the game in general.Nothing with the hardware.

[bluefox755]

Hardware is neutral, it comes down to the developers ability to optimize the game. Unless it was a game that was so beautiful and so demanding that the hardware simply wasn't powerful enough, but we know this isn't the case, because there are far better looking games on console than Ark.

[ONESHOTV2]

bluefox755----- yeah better-looking games but do they do the same thing and are they open world with a high player count? and the last time I check just cause 3 runs like crap on consoles so tell me again about how it, not the hard ware

[BiggerBoss]

@oneshot

Just Cause 3 runs like crap because it came from a crappy studio. If the hardware can run shit like Ryse and Horizon ZD, then it can run this game. Be real. This is ALL on the devs

[Chexs1990]

Because it's not the hardware that's at fault, when the Devs release a game that cannot run properly on consoles. It's stands to reason, that if a game cannot be properly optimized and designed, then it shouldn't be released. So either they knew this when they released Ark on consoles and simply didn't give a crap, or they are semi-incompetent morons who shouldn't develop games in the first place!

Third option would of course be to prove me wrong and actually update and optimize the game, before full release and before releasing a god damn expansion to your early Access title.

[TKCMuzzer]

Whats your point? You pretty much back his argument up, we are talking about crossplay between Xbox and PlayStation. The devs should stop deflecting and sort the game out before they try and offload it with a cheap advertising gimmick like crossplay.

[Dark_Knightmare2]

Lol bro it's unoptimized on pc too

[ONESHOTV2]

BiggerBoss-- the Witcher 3 runs like crap on consoles as well are you going to tell me it's because of the sh-tt devs? and the last time I check avalanche is a good studio they may not have put much thought into the consoles but who could blame them when their game is so CPU intensive that console couldn't keep up who is to blame but the ones who made the underpowered console? another thing uncharted horizon and many more first party devs games don't go over 30 frames and even drop below it so are you going to tell me again that those devs are sh--ty when a game comes out and it's locked to 30 frames it means there is some thing wrong it's either the devs don't give one sh--t or the hardware isn't up to scratch now what do you do when that happens well if you are on PC it's as simple as buying a new CPU or a GPU but that's not possible on consoles so what can you do but take what you are given and don't cry about it.

Majin-vegeta--- as I have said I have no problem running the game at maxed settings and a stable 60+ FPS it's not all about the devs.

Dark_Knightmare2-----yeah I know it but it doesn't mean that no one can run the game at maxed settings and 60

[TheColbertinator]

Good. I dont like Sony gamers and they dont like me.

[ILostMyMind]

You are absolutely right. Never such truth was told before.

[Elda]

You're right.

[rainslacker]

I like you well enough.:)

[ILostMyMind]

We all know there will be no cross platform play between PlayStation and XBoxOne now and never. Microsoft's rules have not changed and Sony will not accept them. In addition there is Sony's delay in making changes, remember that it has spent three years to allow the use of wallpapers. In the next generation they will understand each other.

News like this is used to generate flame between haters / fanboys. Just notice who made the most comments here.

[G20WLY]

Agreed. And notice who submitted this drivel. Yeah. Lol

[Liqu1d]

He honestly spends more time trolling than playing games.

[extermin8or]

Out of interest what are MS's rules?

[ILostMyMind]

PSN user needs to sign up for XBL.

[MetroidFREAK21]

Sony has made some wonderful decisions this console generation... This isn't one of them

[bloodbond]

lol judging your upvote/downvote ratio you could almost mistake this site for being biased for 1 system...

[bluefox755]

Or you could assume that no one really cares about crossplay, and people think Sony decision is neither bad nor good, but rather just a non-issue that no one cares about. Go to a pro-Xbox article on here, and look at the upvote ratio, then tell me if you still think it's biased here, lol.

[Prince_TFK]

Bluefox

You don't care about crossplay because Sony doesn't care about cross play. I wonder what happen were their stance to be positive on crossplay since the beginning.

[King_Lothric]

Microsoft did the same and I don't see you saying the same about them.

[falviousuk]

Sony, always have and always will be #ForTheShareholders just like every other business

[TheColbertinator]

Exactly. Shame on them.

[BiggerBoss]

Lol, nah fam, Sony needs props. We're getting way more games than the Xbox gets, and honestly, why would we wanna play with you guys when all you do is trash ps4?

[TheColbertinator]

@BiggerBoss

Because I am an elite pro gamer obviously.

[TKCMuzzer]

So I imagine you are blind to Microsoft's past then? Sony owe them nothing, plus i'm not sure its a great business move.
How much do gamers really want it? What happens if Sony said you can have it if you pay $5 a month? Of course you wouldn't want it then.
It's all nonsense, just people making noise because there is nothing else to talk about.

[falviousuk]

Why is cross play important for a game.

It gives each game a larger gamer base to play against each other, allowing the publishers and game makers to support thier games longer.

Without cross play there is a lower base in each eco system to play against and games can dwindle if people struggle to find enough people to play against.

About the argument that Sony doesnt need it due to the amount of consoles sold, absolute rubbish, consoles sold does not equate to the same amount of games sold. Only a small percentage of console owners buy a certain game.

So for a big title like cod, you expect it to sell a few million, around the globe per system, for smaller games the numbers are always lower. If we had cross play between all the platforms, then the user base to play against could keep thiese smaller selling titles alive longer.

[bluefox755]

This is a nonsense argument. When people get tired of a game, they move on. There will be a few that stick around, but the majority moves on. Adding 20% or so to this tiny group of stragglers, isn't going to make the publisher support the game longer. What causes games to be supported longer, is games being good. Games that people want to play for a long time. Look at GTA5, LoL, CS:GO, none of these games are crossplay, and are in zero danger of losing support. Why? Because they're good games. If you want to extend support for bad games by expanding their userbase by 20% or so, you're entitled to that opinion, but it's a dumb one IMO.

[FGHFGHFGH]

Why don't people ask Microsoft for cross network play with the games on pc and xbox? It would benefit early access games. But Microsoft won't even allow a big title like cod bought from their store to play with other pc users.

[Petebloodyonion]

Perhaps that you should inform yourself before making a comment
The COD fiasco had nothing to do with MS and was Activision fault :)
https://www.engadget.com/20...
https://www.rockpapershotgu...
https://motherboard.vice.co...

And for the record yes they are making game on pc and consoles compatible

[rainslacker]

While I agree with you overall, there are tons of games which don't offer cross play, and are on multiple systems, were never up for consideration for cross play, and they still maintain stable and relatively high user bases for an appropriate amount of time.

So, to me, while I have no problem if the console makers enable some way to allow it across the board without all the fuss, I don't see why it's ultimately their responsibility to make sure that a developers game has a substantial user base. A good and popular game tends to not have problems on any console, although the console with the lower software sales for any particular title tends to see a drop off of players sooner....which is where the cross play initiative would be most beneficial.

A lot of the benefits people say will exist for cross play, like playing with your friends, is not really going to happen because it requires too much sharing of information between networks. At best, it's good for random matchmaking, outside of games which have their own game acount, typically MMO's.

[G20WLY]

This is still news? They don't currently want cross play with Xbox on ANY new games, we don't need an article for each one, regardless of how much the shitty sites want attention.

[Tzuno]

Pure greedy thinking, want to play with your friends that play only on console?, buy our hardware. I understand exclusives but this...

[rainslacker]

So how many games which offer cross play actually allow you to play with your friends? Outside of MMO's, how many of them can you just type in their user name, and where they play, and directly connect to them to play in a match with or against them?

Serious question....where does that exist outside of games which offer their own account for the game itself. As far as I know, I can't go and play against my Steam friends while playing SFV. Rocket League doesn't have it's own friends list where you can connect to people on another platform.

Why does this argument that you can play with your friends keep coming up, when there is no game which implements this outside of some MMO's.

[NotanotherReboot]

Way to go holding back the industry once again, Sony.....

[BiggerBoss]

Sony is busy giving us badass exclusives. If anyone is holding back the industry, it's Microsoft. What games have they released this year that move the industry forward?

Better yet, what games have they released this year, period?

[Dark_Knightmare2]

Yeah because crossplay is some new tech that hasn't been used for more than ten years already oh wait there has been crossplay for ten plus years so how exactly are they holding back anything

[NotanotherReboot]

because the progression of the industry isn't solely down to tech, but rather how the big name companies (especially ones as successful and influential as Sony) allow more options for gamers and the way we play

[King_Lothric]

Microsoft did the same...

[rainslacker]

Yeah, Sony surely is holding the industry back by having a console which is breaking software sales records. Damn them for making sure the industry struggles while it's seeing record sales on the software front.

[Christopher]

Sony isn't holding back the industry. If they were, you wouldn't have crossplay at all. But others are going ahead with their plans without Sony.

They're just preventing their userbase from having a larger base of gamers to play with.

[trooper_]

So Microsoft didn't hold back the industry last gen?

[memots]

Toxic community not wanted

[coolbeans]

You mean you avoid all online communities entirely? Mighty impressive in this day and age.

[pyroxxx]

Well If you have many friends that own an xbox over Ps4,.. dude?? You seriously are not a very good friend to begin with.

[Elda]

Good. Next.

[agent4532]

So why is Sony so against crossplay?

[Liqu1d]

They aren't. They're against helping a struggling competitor. If the console sales were closer then I guarantee Sony would play ball.

[agent4532]

Ok so why is Nintendo (my way or the highway company) ok with crossplay with Microsoft?

[Liqu1d]

Nintendo is playing catch up. Neither Nintendo or Microsoft are close to Sony's current market share in gaming.

[Silly gameAr]

Probably should ask MS. I'm sure they want to do cross-play in a way that benefits them the most. Sony has always been interested in cross-play, even with MS.

[Silly gameAr]

@ ImGumbyDammit

If Microsoft had sad "OK" to cross-play back when Sony initially said cross-play was a good thing I am sure Sony would have found reasons to suddenly not do it then as well.

What has Sony done to make you think that? You think Sony would have made all xbox users sign up for PSN to play cross-play? They didn't do that for PC cross-play. So yes, I think the fault lies with MS and I'm not sure why Sony won't just come out and say it Either way this is ammo for xbox fanboys to go crazy with, so I hope they have fun pretending that they care. Honestly I don't one way or the other so I'm done with this

[coolbeans]

"Sony has always been interested in cross-play, even with MS."

Considering this same issue has cropped up with Rocket League -- i.e. servers which would be specifically hosted BY the developer and not MS -- you're utterly incorrect.

[Sonic_Vs_Mario]

Sony said they wanted to protect the children

[rainslacker]

That's the million dollar question which no one seems to actually want to know the real answer to.

Most just assume a reason, some speculate potential reasons, and others just don't care.

Tekken director said the most, when he said that it was a security issue.

Sony has basically said, in a poor way, that it was because they couldn't moderate the other network in a way that was acceptable to them.(which is a security issue in the broader usage of the term in network security)

Those two reasons above are probably closer to the truth than Sony just being douchebags and being an evil company.

[InTheZoneAC]

Good. Don't support a competing platform that relies on cross play instead of making their own games for once.

[Imalwaysright]

This is the problem... you guys see companies when you should be seeing your fellow gamers.

[InTheZoneAC]

it's not a problem, ms is a problem for the market.

[Imalwaysright]

And Sony without competition is any better? How quickly you guys forgot the start of the last generation.

[_-EDMIX-_]

no one cares.

MS is looking to just get info from people. I can play online with other PS4 and PC gamers, I don't care...

This is not effecting 99% of the gamers that game on those platforms. Its not like PS4 has 10 gamers and XBONE has 60 million.

Can we seriously stop pretending someone is dying over this feature?

You are not playing with 100k people at once and know all of them personally, that is not likely and doesn't make sense.

So your crying over a feature SONY HAS DONE LONGER AND THE MOST?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wi...

Funny, cause I didn't see you praising this feature before this, suddenly you need it like air?

LMFAO! Please, with your fake concern.

[Imalwaysright]

Oh Eddie boy

I don't care much but unlike you, I don't pretend that I speak for everyone else. I know that there are people that do care so unless you can tell me of any reason as to why something bad would come as a result of allowing crossplay with people that play on the X1, I don't see why I should be coming here with arrogance and pathetic hyperboles to defend this decision from a company that didn't respect me by trying to put the wool over my eyes with asinine excuses.... you know like your doing right now.

I am for the gamers.

[_-EDMIX-_]

yes I know, more fake concern.

"I am for the gamers."

Were you for the gamers when Sony was doing this for generations and MS and Nintendo weren't?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wi...

lol

Can't get away from facts huh?

Ask why MS and Nintendo have not supported this yet Sony has since PS2.

I don't seen any tears or concern for that

Fake bud. We all know you folks have fake issues to push agenda.

Isn't that why you are silent about facts?

That wiki post makes you mad right? LMFAO!

[Imalwaysright]

I don't know what is this arrogance that gives you the idea that you know the 1st thing about me. You don't so don't pretend that that you do and like I thought you couldn't give me a reason as to why this would in any way harm Sony, MS, PS4 gamers and X1 gamers so what gives? Why so much effort in defending a decision that is giving less options for those that would like them?

Also, I don't know what you're trying to prove with your "sony did it first" and what does that have to do with the topic at hand. Does that change this decision? No it doesn't so can't you act rationally or is it that you just want me to laugh at your face?

Oh and yes, I am for the gamers. Does that upset you? https://68.media.tumblr.com...

[Imalwaysright]

You care more about multi-billion corporations that only care about your fellow gamers that might have some friends that don't own the same p

[_-EDMIX-_]

Did you care when Sony was doing this and MS and Nintendo were not?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wi...

Where i your tears for that time period?

OH but NOW its a big deal? You still ignoring that Sony has done this longer, more and on more of their systems?

Your post start to fall apart really quick when FACTS are brought into it. Isn't that way you keep ignoring that little tid bit?

[BenRC01]

Why should Sony let the competition piggy back off its massive user base? It benefits only xbox and switch who may struggle to keep players after the initial buzz dies off.

[InTheZoneAC]

I hear crickets, this should be stickied at the top before anyone cries about MS not getting cross play with ps4 lol

[Razzer]

http://kotaku.com/5813740/i...

Microsoft on PS3-360 cross play.

"Xbox Live delivers the best entertainment experience unmatched by anyone else, with 35 million actively engaged members. We have a high level of expectation for our game developers to ensure that all Live experiences remain top notch. Because we can't guarantee this level of quality, or control the player experience on other consoles or gaming networks, we currently do not open our network to games that allow this cross-over capability."

Seems their positioned changed now that they are 30 million consoles behind.

[Liqu1d]

That isn't much different to Sony's "protect the children" stance funnily enough.

[Silly gameAr]

Spam this everywhere.

[InTheZoneAC]

they only talk when it benefits them or when they try to persuade potential customers.

[coolbeans]

Absolutely it has. Judging by some of the comments here, they're not the only ones to change course on this issue.

[UCForce]

Is Ark: Survival Evolved still in beta ?

[PurpHerbison]

I'd buy this horribly optimized game if I could play with Xbox users.

[ILostMyMind]

/s

[BIGBOSS08]

What a loss/s

After BC i guess this is the new best feature in gaming history according to xbox fanboys but reality is nobody cares.

[OtakuDJK1NG-Rory]

so by your logic gamers shouldn't play with other gamers.

[gamer7804]

this is really annoying, I have friends on both sides of the fence, can't we all just get along and play together, so much for "for the players" more like "for the pocketbook". Makes it tempting to not get a sony console again if they aren't going to atleast do something that benefits all players.

[neocores8055]

Back in the ps3 days SONY wated crossplay with XBOX 360. But mircosoft wanted to have a big head and kept saying no funny how hard the tides turn.

[sin7279]

Yes!

[NotSoMad]

I don't understand why xbox fanboys are so distressed that Sony won't allow console crossplay. They are a business that is saying a massive turnaround. They are virtually improving on every aspect in their business with PlayStation in front. Why the hell would they throw their biggest competitor a bone?

The only ones going crazy over this are Xbox fanboys that pretend like they even care. Hell, most of them probably didn't even know this game was even a thing.

[Bladesfist]

"Why the hell would they throw their biggest competitor a bone?"

Because it would benefit their consumers and their brand by making them look great. But if their consumers really don't want this feature, like this site would let you believe then there is no reason to do it. I doubt it would cause people to switch to Xbox, people say it here all the time but the reason people pick a PlayStation is for the games.

[DrumBeat]

I can't even BEGIN to tell you how disappointed I am. #sarcasm

[windblowsagain]

And nobody cares.

[Neonridr]

How is it that crossplay wouldn't benefit Sony? Having more players to play with is now suddenly a bad thing? And don't bring up that XBL crap, that's only for Minecraft. Rocket League requires no such thing. Nintendo, who is usually ass backwards when it comes to supporting online initiatives are even on board with allowing play with PC and XBox users.

Giving people more options isn't a bad thing, no matter how much you want to spin it in your favour.

[Liqu1d]

Who benefits more, MS with the lower install base or Sony with the higher install base?

[Neonridr]

Both do. How would it be bad for Sony owners to be able to play with Xbox owners? Does it hurt their experience in any way? More full servers means more longevity for games in the end. Obviously big titles like Destiny, COD, etc don't necessarily need cross play. But many smaller titles could definitely benefit from this.

At the end of the day more people playing together is never a bad thing. I can't understand a situation where it would be.

[Liqu1d]

MS benefits more. They would gain access to a playerbase larger than their own while Sony would gain access to a playerbase smaller than their own. It isn't worth it for them.

"How would it be bad for Sony owners to be able to play with Xbox owners?"

Didn't say it would.

"Does it hurt their experience in any way?"

No, didn't I say it does.

"But many smaller titles could definitely benefit from this."

Absolutely, but this is where Sony's much larger playerbase has an advantage and crossplay would diminish this advantage. A smaller game is likely to be more active on PS4, not only is that an incentive for consumers but also small developers who can only release on one console. From a business perspective crossplay with Xbox would not benefit Sony while they have such an advantage.

[Neonridr]

@Liqu1d - So Sony getting access to another 20+ million users is a bad thing? You act like it's peanuts to them when it's another 1/3 of their install base. Not to mention Nintendo's rapidly growing install base as well. You act like Sony has sold millions while the others merely thousands.

[gangsta_red]

How would MS benefit? That seriously makes no sense. These are mostly third party games that are available on all platforms and the majority would still play on the console with the higher install base.

The numbers would not change, the only thing that would is both consoles playing together.

But all content, dlc, micro transactions would still be purchased on whatever console you were playing on.

Smaller games on either platform has the potential to die quicker regardless of how high an install base is.

Having a mp community that is together could only strengthen the longevity of the game and help that developer.

[Gazondaily]

"From a business perspective "

What a shame that a certain contingent can't even view this from a gamers perspective....shameful

[_-EDMIX-_]

How would it hurt PS4?

No one on that network is going to be actively playing with 100k people all at once that they know and play with everyday as if 100 or 200k isn't enough.

Sounds stupid and desperate and looking for fake concern.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wi...

Funny too, I didn't see you praising them to high heavens before this......

Sony has done it longer, the most and with the most systems.

But, lets keep pretending this is a big deal =)

[Neonridr]

@EDMIX - Sony supports cross play with some PC games. But when MS and Nintendo start doing it as often as possible, it will make Sony seem like they don't want their gamers playing with others.. like they are too good or something. This benefits the smaller games more than the larger games. I even said that in my comment. Smaller games that have dwindling playerbases could benefit from everyone playing together in one ecosystem. It also means less servers needed for hosting since you wouldn't need to split the playerbases by console.

[_-EDMIX-_]

" like they are too good or something."

Or they don't want to support MS using XBL to take information from gamers.

They are free to not support that concept.

Sony has done this the most, longer and with more systems.

So, if you are going to cry about this, ask why Nintendo and MS have not done on it on other platforms yet Sony has done it since PS2

https://en.wikipedia.org/wi...

"seem like they don't want their gamers playing with others"

Does it longer, the most and with more systems.

That is a fact.

But, keep on with the narrative buddy.

What are you saying about MS and Nintendo doing it for a fact LESS?

Yet you are worried about this? LMFAO!

Ok buddy, yet you have noting to say about Switch basically not even having a online that is near the quality of 2002, but you are worried about the company that has done Cross play the longest, the most and on more systems not doing it a few times?

Ummm ooook.

Where is this concern about Switch or Wii U or Wii not having anything near the online of XB? BUT Stand back, a company not doing cross play for a few games, that happens to do it for the MOST GAMES, is a issue for you?

Ok buddy, this sounds like fanboy agenda, fake concern.

[Neonridr]

@EDMIX - you like to ramble a lot. You could have said that entire post in like 2 sentences.

[xtheblackparade]

Which shames Sony. I want to be able to play online games I purchase as long as possible before player count deteriorates.

But, this isn't the largest issue Ark faces on consoles , is it.

[marquisray]

Personally I would love to play ps gamers for braving rights, and for fun

[Max-Zorin]

PlayStation and Xbox fans, don't respect each other anyway. They don't need 5o be on the same network. All they do is demean each other. They're worse than New England Patriots fans.

[Eiyuuou]

Not good for your public image, Sony.

Not that I care, I don't know anyone with an Xbox.

[_-EDMIX-_]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wi...

What about Nintendo and MS public image?

They have denied this feature FOR YEARS!

Funny though, lets keep pretending this is a huge deal lol

[Eiyuuou]

That's the past, this is now. Right now MS is willing to do it and to a certain extent so is Nintendo. Sony on the other hand isn't.

Sure, it's not a huge deal "lol", but will not do well for their public image.

[Condemnedman]

for the gamers 😭

[ILostMyMind]

For the PlayStation's Gamers.

Stop crying.

[Condemnedman]

I'm not crying it's not like you have play with gamers from live if it bothers you to play with other gamers then you can't be a gamer

[Edito]

I don't know why Microsoft is so interested in Crossplay now.

I feel some dark intentions from them...

[Condemnedman]

to be honest if the majority of Sony gamers are like the blind followers on here it's probaly best for us really .

[GamingCentaur]

I am shocked.
/s

[Abnor_Mal]

Because Sony will not allow crossplay with Xbox One fanboys are saying Sonys being ba-ba-ba-bad to the bone.

Umm... which way to the door?

[_LarZen_]

Microsoft are go. Nintendo are go. Various PC developers are go. Sony.....nah.

[_-EDMIX-_]

except facts show otherwise.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wi...

Very funny how gamers seem to ignore history and facts.

[_LarZen_]

Wikipedia...lol

[ramtah]

wtf sony

[kowan]

As long as crossplay exists on PS4 and PC(in general) then crossplay to the Xbox consoles isn't exactly a huge letdown nor a big issue.

[CrimzonRazor]

We kinda knew this sony already told us crossplay was a no go with minecraft, that said I think they are wrong and should let devs decided what to do with their games and servers.

[coolbeans]

Actually, they're in talks with Sony about Minecraft cross-play now.

http://www.gameinformer.com...

[subtenko]

There's no need to announce what games sony wont allow to crossplay with xbox. We aint letting any gaems crossplay with xbox unless microsoft change policy. So just forget it and go back to playing whatever games you have on whatever console you own.

[DeadSilence]

Yup good news, let Xbox sink.

Allow only with Pc and Switch.

[S-Word]

If I was a developer & wanted cross-play then all I would do is either...

Make the game on all platforms and make it so where Xbox can play PC, Playstation can play PC, and PC can play both Xbox & Playstation (if the reason is that Playstation doesn't want cross-play with Xbox).

OR

Cancel the game on the platforms that don't approve of cross-play. That way cross-play will still be available and it matches your vision that you want for the game.

Now obviously even if a game has cross-play there would be (or should be) an option to allow players to choose if they want to use cross-play or not (like Street Fighter V does).

[Liqu1d]

Your first way is what Rocket League does.

[OpenGL]

I own every platform, I don't care at all about this.

[LAWSON72]

Sony is not going to change their stance with MS trying to get Xbox Live on their platform, it will not happen in a shape or form at this point unless Sony gets the upper hand, but if that happens MS will act the same way.

[McGlinchey12]

I for one dont care about playing with people on xbox dont see what the big deal is its always been like this

[jer1122]

Why does everybody want cross-play there's plenty of people playing on both consoles. I definitely don't want cross play with PC because they hack everything. In rocket League you had cross play on PS4 and PC and they would hack hardcore. As far as Xbox and Playstation goes you might get cross-play going but you can't be on the Mic and being party chat I guarantee you they won't be able to get the chat to work. The same thing happened on Rocket League you can play with PC but you couldn't chat with them it just seems like a mess. We already have enough server problems with every game. plus cross play with PC is stupid where they have mouse and keyboard

[sk8ofmnd]

Sony is snubbing ms, simple as that. When youre the market leader you can make whatever decicions you like and as long as your mass majority gamers dont care... The only ones complaining are ms.

[BlakHavoc]

It's funny how this is news, doesn't matter if it's Sony, MS, or Nintendo, if you're the market leader with nearly 70 mil units sold, you're not allowing cross play on your console. These companies are a business ya kno, so dumb for gamers to expect otherwise imo.

[Nucler100]

Lame not gonna lie

[zerocarnage]

You Sony suck ups make me laugh, saying no one cares about cross play untill so n so date, that's not true it's just this didn't start to become a major issue till so n so date you keep saying. That is why now people are talking about cross play and I guarantee that no matter when, if developers started getting behind cross play on consoles the majority would of been down for it.

I don't care who's in charge of it, who's sitting in the back of the room having a say on how it runs, the fact that this benifits gamers and would only improve with time is a sheer lack of disrespect from Sony towards gamers of all platforms. Why they would hold back on joining the rest as the saying goes there's always one who has to spoil it.

All sorts could happen in the world of gaming in the future from cross play.

1. Major competition for a start a whole new pot of money being generated for tournaments.

2. Console wars could become a real thing and not just stupidly ranted about on these forums. Console wars is where the real games begin where they are played out and not trolled about from fanboyz.

3. More features especially clan support, yes it's in some games but has dramatically been reduced as a featurr since last gen but with cross play could make a big come back because of console wars.

4. As more games use cross play so too partnerships could be born.

5. New apps for communication between consoles.

6. New deals being struck between console to allow once exclusive games to make its way across to other consoles and yes that could happen and developers would no doubt be happy for that as it would generate more coinage for them.

I could name more but I really don't think that you fanboys can handle a world of truth that cross play benifits gamers as a whole from the casual to the professional.

You only have to sit and think about cross play and I'm sure many of you can brain storm things that cross play could bring it doesn't take rocket science.

Yes it's true Sony are behaving like the child in the room but my talking here is mainly about the advantages cross play can actually bring and as it's rolled out on every game in the future, None should be left behind as the world of gaming and gamers deserve this to be implemented across everywhere.

And anyone who dislikes the last bit, well you are not a true gamer because cross play does nothing but enhance a gamers world that little bit more and why would a real hearted gamer vote to hold this industry back. I call those types of idiots world burners, who hate on everything in sight to the point they just want to see everything else destroyed apart from what they own.

[trooper_]

Do you need a tissue?

[uGLYmE]

OMG 😲

Selling my PS4 straight away

[BadElf]

LOL at Sony

[King_Lothric]

Microsoft denied crossplay to Sony back in the day AND NO ONE CRITIZED MS!!!

Sony doesn't need Xbox!!! Stop begging. If you are so desperate to play with Playstation community then buy a Playstation. Otherwise just focus on the system you selected and stop crying.

[jairusmonillas]

MS is using their money for paid trolls to attack Sony with every negative news they can get.

[mandingo]

What is Sony losing by allowing crossplay to happen I don't get it ?

[DOOMZ]

Sad...

[Sokol]

Seems to me Microsoft needs more populated online game servers then Sony does...

There is more to the story then simple 'we don't allow cross console gameplay'.

I don't recall such demands during the Xbox 360 era.. And technology was avaialble.

[Petebloodyonion]

Cross play don't matter and that is why we have articles like this:
-why-you-should-stop-worrying -about-player-counts-so-much
http://ca.ign.com/articles/...

The sad truth is that yes cross-play is important for small studio online games to succeed because it's mean a bigger player base, it's mean more microtransactions and it's mean a longer life for the game and the ppl who bought the game.
And last I checked EPIC Games, Namco and Psyonix weren't owned by Microsoft so why suddenly is these topics always about MS when 3rd party publishers are requesting or mentioning things?

[OffRoadKing]

Oh no we cant criossplay this garbage game no one was going to play anyway, at least we can argue about it and use it ass an excuse to trash Sony haazaah!

[Scatpants]

All I ever play is randoms anyway so I really don't care where they come from. If I had some friends that only had Xboxes maybe it would be a different story, but would you even be able to find specific people on different networks?

[Malice-Flare]

right, like Sony is going to allow XBox Live to inflate their MAU numbers by using XPP to have PS4 users create new XBL accounts. for all the noise, the "goodwill" that Sony will get for that is insignificant no matter how loud people like Jim Sterling shouts. Sony earns more goodwill by offering their users new games...

Sony already got burnt when offering "features," PS3 had full PS1/PS2 BC, an above-average Blu-ray player and PSN multi-player online was free. it was only the games (new & remastered) that kept PS3 from completely failing...

[madpuppy]

tempest in a teacup, Cross play between the xbox user base and the Sony user base would be a cluster of fan boy fighting and trolling. and besides, Sony doesn't need MS, they are doing fine and have PLENTY of players on their system.

[jairusmonillas]

Another paid article and paid trolls to bad mouth Sony.

Typical Team Xbox instead of doing a better job with xbox one they are using a typical paid blame strategy.

Playstation 4 Crossplay list:
Rocket League (PC & PS4), Street Fighter 5 (PC & PS4), Dragon Quest X (Nintendo & PS4), Final Fantasy XIV (PC, PS3,PS4), WarThunder (PC & PS4), DCuniverse (PC & PS4), Paragon (PC & PS4), Gwent (PC & PS4)

Xbox One Crossplay list:
Minecraft
Rocket League

[ILostMyMind]

There are many more games you can play on cross platform between PS3, PS4 and Vita.

[segamaniaco]

Thanks god. Keep the good work sony

Protect our network

4 the players

[Broomfondle]

Damn you Sony. So out of touch. What if I WANTED to hear how many 14 years olds had shagged my mum.

[hamburgerhill]

Would be great for these 2 companies to work together and improve gaming while staying competitive. 30 years from now I hope to tell my great grand kids the stories of Gaming today.

[Tetsujin]

The ones who approved of this, I bet is having a field day, and getting a good laugh out of some of the responses on here. This is nothing but pure flame bait.

OT

If you bypass the trolling, sarcasm, and bandwagon answers, there's only a handful of people who legit, want x play between Xbox and PS4. It's apparent the only reason MS is making a big deal out of it is to get the fanbase on both sides to put Sony under pressure to allow X play to help boost Live accounts. Notice when MS said no last gen, rarely any articles (if any at all) had negative spin regarding the issue; but now all of the sudden is this big thing that Sony says no while MS swears they allow it. All it does is show how petty MS can get, and how blind some of their fanbase is instead of reading between the lines. I'm not saying Sony is in the right, but I am saying MS is making a big deal out of it for some strange reason; and now some companies are talking how MS wants x play but Sony doesn't.

I personally don't care either way if it's there or not. I played Final Fantasy 11 back when it was PS2, 360, and PC, and yes I did meet some friends across the board; downside is when it was time to seek greener pastures, we all lost contact with each other (back when Myspace and MSN Messenger was the thing). I want unforgettable gaming experiences; and having x play doesn't always guarantee it.

[phantomexe]

My guess would be there and idk but MS wants ppl to create ms accounts and sign into it if playing from another consule. It could be bitterness as well Sony tryed this on the ps3 but MS wanted no part in it. The only reason it worked with ff11 is because SE had playonline which ppl signed in serpart and was apart on SE. Just want to toss out there 60 gig ps3s played ps2 games. Would like to really know my brother plays ark on his xbox1 and i play it on the ps4. In the past it seemed as tho it could never happen so most ppl didnt seem to pay it no mind. I really want to know why sony won't do it? There ok with PC. If its about makeing ppl sign into xbox live then yea i get it or if there back door vulnerability i get it.

[Felix313]

It's mainly about not having PS players having to sign into an XBL account to use MS's version of Crossplay which is different form virtually every instance of PS/PC crossplay, as for the launch PS3's being able to play PS2 games that was due to Sony basically building the PS2 SOC into the PS3 (it was removed so they could lower the price and not many people used it).

[phantomexe]

So Ms would force ppl to create an xbox live account and sign into it? That BS if so and i get why sony won't let them. Thats sounds like a scam to get more live users. There sells are so bad they try to pull this. i want cross play but not if there going force me to do it that way. That's sad as hell it true.

[hobbitooo]

get a life, lame article,
ps4 gamers DON'T give a damn about
1. backwards compatibility
2. cross play with other consoles

meanwhile ps4 are still selling millions

[ChickeyCantor]

lol at people going "nah they be toxic" and then show how toxic they are in this thread.

Lawd have mercy on these souls.

[rezzah]

In the long run it could be less profitable for them, it could to be a business decision that is keeping the from going ahead with allowing cross console play.

I just can't think of the reason why, perhaps they see see unwanted changes to the industry that would occur if they allow their primary competition to connect to their console.

[UKmilitia]

well i have disowned any of my friends that still have a xb1.
so crossplay isnt on my list never mind at the bottom of it.
Sony dont need crossplay and with it i would expect other issues,security of network being one of them.

keep kicking ass sony.

[Yohshida]

This will happen more and more, since the Playstation Player base is defending Sony with this decisions, we might never see Crossplay between all consoles. That is a HUGE shame.

[MetalGearsofWar]

So many Sony loyalists and Xbox fanboys fighting but dont realize ARK is a horrible game.

[DELTABOY04]

no one cares

[inxine]

its funny how no one cared about crossplay one or two years ago and now people are acting cp is the essence of their gaming days. i guess its the new thing to be mad about. get over it people.

[ILostMyMind]

Imagine you are playing Uncharted and receive a message from Microsoft offering you discounts and promotions on exchanging your PS for an XB ... 😓😓

[WickedLester]

Fundamentally I KNOW this sucks and is anti-consumer. I know it in my gut. So yes, shame on Sony for not making it happen. It's a dick move on their part and they can get away with it because they are the market leader.

Having said that, I'm I the only one here who honestly just doesn't give a shit? I guess for that random PS4 gamer who has Xbox buddies they are dying to get online with, yeah that would suck. However pretty much all my friends game on PS4. Besides that, my gaming habits just don't live and die by online gaming. Yes I'll get on and play something online once in a while but the vast majority of my gaming time is offline. Plus the PS4 userbase is large enough on it's own. I've never had any issues finding people to play online with.

So in summary. Yes, this is a dick move. Yes I disagree with it. Ultimately do I care? Nope, not a bit. PS4 still remains my favorite console this generation.

[Matrix6]

Don't get CROSSed, just PLAY. 😘

[Hendog1981]

because sony knows best /s

[Apocalypze]

In all honesty it will be crazy lol it will start a war..

[Ben12]

Pathetic Sony .

[BLAKHOODe]

I don't blame Sony. Allowing crossplay is a win for gamers and Microsoft, but it doesn't help the Playstation brand, at the moment. Why would they let the competition (Microsoft) piggyback on the PS4's success by allowing crossplay?

[dcbronco]

Sony's excuse about safety was nonsense. I believe the true reason is a legitimate one and they should simply say it. A deciding factor in which console a person buys is often the ability to play with their friends. If you have crossplay the console you choose doesn't matter. The bigger the install base difference the more exclusives you get. Sony should just tell the truth. It makes good business sense. Though I understand who they're dealing with so it is understandable that they keep quiet.

[jokerisalive]

Stupid...

[feraldrgn]

Seriously, why would they?
Oh our competitors are releasing a console more powerful than ours that will run 3rd party games better, let's enable people to still play with PS4 owners if they decide to jump ship.
It doesn't make business sense, just like it didn't make business sense when MS were on the winning side before & Sony suggested it.

[SixFragz]

The only ones feeling sore over this are Xbot fanboys.

They have the lesser, weaker playerbase to begin with, so they're saltier than the Dead Sea because without the assistance of PS4 crossplay games like this will dwindle real quick.

It's simple, if you Xbots want longevity, sell/trade the set top box and get the PS4.

Ez.

[Thomaticus]

I don't have an issue with this. Next Story please.