Xbox One users largely ignore backward-compatible Xbox 360 games

Aggregate sample shows newer console buyers don't want to play older games much.

[Nyxus]

1.5% actually use BC, interesting.

[Death]

I think it would be more interesting if Ryan told us how many subscribers he has for PSNow. If what he is saying is true, the service must be a massive failure and complete waste of $380 million. It's funny how he isn't mentioning the numbers he actually knows.

[Death]

I think it's a valid question. Sony spent a lot to make these same games playable on current gen systems. For them to say no one wants free b/c is pretty misleading since they invested so much to create a business model around it. Are you saying no one wants to play "old" games unless they have to pay? I guess that's possible and I'm over estimating people.

Why do you think Ryan is talking so much about free b/c on Xbox and not mentioning stats about PSNow? He's literally saying he knows free b/c is the most requested feature, he just doesn't think the people asking for it will use it. At the same time he's offering these same games to Playstation fans for a fee. You seem intelligent, what he's saying and what he's doing are completely different. Want to educate me on what that actually means? That sounds more like damage control to me.

[uptownsoul]

@Death "I think it would be more interesting if Ryan told us how many subscribers he has for PSNow. If what he is saying is true, the service must be a massive failure and complete waste of $380 million. It's funny how he isn't mentioning the numbers he actually knows."

It very well may be interesting, but none of that changes the facts of this article & study. Back Compat, while better to have than not have, is still a diminishing asset. And the study seems to show that it is a bit overhyped.

[Christopher]

I agree with Death here. If people aren't interested in BC and yet you have a specific service for playing old games, you're either wasting money or ignoring certain stats to sell the lack of BC. To be honest, just be freaking honest. BC of PS3 games isn't possible and there is no way for you to allow cd playing and recognition on the PS4.

[bouzebbal]

Lol all fanboys screaming game changer..
This is a great feature, nobody denies it. But only nice to have and not an important one

[ShadowWolf712]

The difference is PS Now isn't a BC service. It allows older games to be played on OTHER PLATFORMS. It's designed to use the PS library to entice people to either buy a PS system or simply continue their subscription and wait.

[bluefox755]

@Christopher Saying that people aren't interested in old games isn't the same as saying people aren't interested in BC. For instance, there are a bunch of games from the PS1 and PS2 era that I would love to play again, but not enough to go through the hassle of hunting down old copies on ebay. Not enough to play them streaming either, mind you, but I think you're over-simplifying it. I'm not really a fan of PSNow, but I'm pretty sure the intended appeal is the convenience. Saying PSNow doesn't make sense if BC usage is low is like saying: "Netflix doesn't make sense because the DVD market has nosedived".

[G20WLY]

Except you don't even need a PlayStation to use PSNow, so it isn't being touted as a main selling feature or a killer app, is it?

It's a separate service that can be used on your PC, laptop or TV, perhaps as an option for someone with no interest in owning a console, but who fancies seeing what the fuss is/was about for a few of the past gems.

This is what makes the 'hype' part entirely different and why BC on Xbox is, as we can now demonstrate, unimportant to the vast majority of Xbox users.

[Death]

@G2,

Sony recently removed PSNow from Sony and Samsung HDTV's along with Blu-ray players. You need to own a PS4 or PC in order to use it. PSNow launched summer of 2014 on PS4, PC was added 2 years later. Clearly the service was created with the PS4 in mind. It's not b/c, it's making the PS3 library of games accessible on PS4 for a subscription fee.

The "hype" surrounding Xbox 360 games on Xbox One is the free access to games you own via b/c, you can also buy the games you missed as digital downloads so you don't have to hunt down used copies and you also have access to many 360 games as part of the GamePass subscription. I'm really hoping these games are moved to Windows 10 as well when E3 hits later this week. That would make it 3 great choices and more ways to access them.

[Kingcorey13]

playstation now was not only about ps4 bc tho.. it was about bringing old and new games to smart tvs and devices without needing to buy a console.. it was for people who wanted to play some ps classics and not have to go out a buy a playstation.. its pretty smart to invest in now because in 15 years its a good chance that a large % of games will be played that way.

[Christopher]

***Saying that people aren't interested in old games isn't the same as saying people aren't interested in BC.***

From The point of a business that has a model built to charge more for access to old games, I completely disagree. I one hundred percent support what psnow is even if I personally see no use for it. It's an option for those who want it. But it makes them money. To turn around and then say that most people aren't interested in BC is complete BS, imho, though. If people are interested enough to play old games and pay for it, then they would absolutely be interested in BC. I don't know a single person who wouldn't look at the option of playing old games they already own, even if digital, on the latest hardware as a bad thing.

It's all value added. Even if only 5 percent use it, that's something you can never claim that you don't provide. And that's why it's one of the smartest PR moves Xbox has made in their time in the console business. It costs then very little to do, it increases digital software sales, it adds to their GWG offerings, and it has tremendous support from third parties who realize that people playing their old games will only encourage them to buy their new games.

For Sony to say that only a small percentage are interested it only shines a light on the waste of money, or focus on making more money, they put into supporting old games via ports and streaming services rather than spending a lot less and allowing BC in some way, even if just for digital purchases.

I don't have an issue with how Sony has chosen to handle bringing old games to new hardware, but when they say stupid stuff about how only a small number of people are interested in it, then your business model around that is either wasteful spending or you're not being completely honest.

[Christopher]

***playstation now was not only about ps4 bc tho.. it was about bringing old and new games to smart tvs and devices without needing to buy a console.. it was for people who wanted to play some ps classics and not have to go out a buy a playstation.***

Which is no longer the case. It's now either PC or Playstation gaming device only. Vita I can see, but the others either already have access to the majority of the games or would benefit from just having BC (PS4 on this one).

But, my issue isn't their decision, it's their response to those who don't want to pay money for access on current generation hardware. That's still at least two million people, and more than that would utilize it over time. I just think they deserve a better response than what was given.

[Skull521]

It's really about the games. I don't use it at all but if you throw out the games I want and voted for (Ninja Gaiden series and GRAW/2) I would definitely use it.

Another crappy thing though is there was no reasonable assumption we would get it so I sold all my 360 games and it was enough to pay for a PS4 so I did it. Big mistake because I'd rather have all my 360 games back...

[NotSoMad]

Pretty sure Sony released numbers last last week saying it was at 26m I think. Also, are you the same guy on twitter talking to the author. If so you might want to realize that the the data doesn't lie.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Pl...

[Aenea]

"I'm not sure if 3% of the install base represents the population well. When you factor the poll was made during the holidays when we see a lot of new releases makes this pointless as well."

So a poll done this way is not representative? Alright, then we can throw out that survey that was conducted for MS that said XBL is 'better' too huh?

Can't have one and not the other....

It also completely correlates with MS their own words, at one point they mentioned the total amount of hours users had played BC games, which sounded impressive, but when you divided it by the number of Xboxes sold it came to a really low number per user....

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As for PS Now, this is about BC, not a streaming service which was never meant to be for BC in the first place....

[Death]

@Badz,

Jim Ryan is using this data to justify not having backwards compatibility on PS4. According to him this proves no one wants to play "old" games. I would like to see Mr. Ryan provide the data Sony uses to justify selling the ability to play "old" games as a service if he believes it's not worth doing for free. I'm personally thrilled with b/c and the way Microsoft is adding value to the Xbox and the existing library as well. It's a very pro-gamer way to address the issue.

I'm surprised you think it's ok for Sony to say the back catalog of PS3 games is worth reselling to PS4 gamers, but not worth the time to allow gamers to use their existing game library free. It seems pretty contradictory. Maybe you should ask Jim to pick.

To answer your pseudo question, I think Sony is making a lot off of gamers through PSNow which is why I find it borderline offensive they are now saying it's a waste of time and not worth the investment. My logic believes if you knew how much Sony was making off of it's loyal fanbase with PSNow it would be harder for them to tell you that you don't want it. Take a step back and look at all the people defending the right to not have a choice. It's very strange to see.

[rocketpanda]

Because he was talking about BC and this article is also about BC. But thanks for trying to deviate and deflect from the narrative.

And no, it isn't funny how he didn't mention it because what Exec will come out and say, "yes, our service or product is a complete and utter failure!"?

They won't offer BC anytime soon because they invested so heavily in the Now service.

[Overload]

The sequence of the news is astonishing. It doesn't get any better. It's EXACTLY what I thought.

[MrFisher21]

PS Now came with a patent that made the money well worth it. Look it up.

[G20WLY]

Or, you know, just play the games you've already bought on the PS3 or 360 you already own...

[rainslacker]

PSNow isn't BC. It's a service open to more than just PS owners. While it would be an interesting number to know, I fail to see how it's relevant to the topic at hand.

I'm also pretty sure Sony had good numbers for how many people used BC on the PS3, and could extrapolate from that just how used the feature was likely to be used in the future, how it would affect sales to have it one way or the other, and if the price of inclusion(assuming it was the same as the past) was worth the chance to not be able to be as competitive.

Sony wasn't saying that no one used it, just that not many people used it. If PSNow is going as bad as you imply, then that just supports his argument.

Lets look at the discussion about PSNow around here as a gauge. Very few PS owners say they use or even want the service. They're either indifferent to it, or they think it sucks. This also supports the argument that Ryan is making. It's not Sony fans who are making PSNow into a big thing....or a thing that is a BC solution. There was some speculation about that being possible a while ago, but now, most just don't think about or use it.

[IGiveHugs2NakedWomen]

PS Now is mostly for users who are on the move or for people who don't have the time or inclination to amass a digital or physical library of PlayStation games . This service was never intended to replace backwards compatibility, especially since this service is also available on some smart TV's and PC.

I repeat, PlayStation Now is not backwards compatibility. It is a video game streaming service.

[DashArrivals]

They got the tech to future-proof themselves. The tech is amazing. Gaming is evolving. The tech will evolve. It was a very wise purchase that will hold them in good stead.

If you think they bought it just for PS NOW then you're bloody stupid. It can stream games anywhere.

[jwillj2k4]

Ps now is available on Samsung and Sony tvs, bluray players In addition to ps devices. Its solving a completely different ask. In order to use bc you have to first buy an xbox one which 1) no one wants to do. 2) doesn't make ms much if anything which is why they have a new subscription service. 3) isn't a requirement for ps so there's no reason to compare them.

[Mr_Writer85]

@death

What has PSNow got to do with BC? Have Sony ever claimed it to be BC?

Lol

Lying on the Internet.

"For them to say no one wants free b/c is pretty misleading "

Fanboy lies.

[yeahright2]

@ Christopher, I disagree with your premise. PS Now was not designed to specifically play old games (by which I believe you mean as an answer to backward compatibility). PS Now was supposed to be a new platform almost. One where you didn't need a physical playstation to play its games. Now they bungled this utterly and completely, but they did come out and say it wasn't their version of BC.
I also don't get why you're calling on playstation to be honest about why BC isn't possible on PS4. They've been saying that, and for the same reasons you point out, since launch.

[yeahright2]

"Which is no longer the case. It's now either PC or Playstation gaming device only."
that's a moot point. they've had to adjust what PS Now is because of how much they bungled it. But the fact remains, it was never intended to be an answer to BC. Sure chewing gum happens to be sticky, but that doesn't mean it was intended to be a replacement for scotch tape. Now that they've converted their factory to make a very crappy form of tape does that mean they were secretly trying to compete with scotch tape all along?

[BIGBOSS08]

You want to talk numbers? Where are the xbox one sales numbers? I think it's a valid question.

[AngelicIceDiamond]

Interesting considering Black Ops I and II, RDR, MW2, Reach and Elder Scrolls was the most requested games ppl wanted for BC.

http://www.express.co.uk/en...
"
Black Ops has over 110,000 votes, Bioshock Infinite over 60,000, Bioshock 39,000, Skate 3 31,000 and Bioshock 2 with 28,000."

Not saying this info is wrong but BC seems to be pretty vocal plus its just an option, a feature the X1 has if you decide to use it or not doesn't hurt MS any.

[XanderZane]

It's funny that CoD: Black Ops 2 sales ended up on the NPD Top 10 list in April. lol!! Yeah sure, no one wants to play these old B/C games. Then they hit the game consoles and sales on popular games skyrocket. At least on the XB1 they did. RDR sale surged when the B/C was released on XB1.

[RosweeSon]

Black ops has over 110,000 votes... that's votes meanwhile a re release of Mario Kart 8 and a fraction of the install base has already cleared 1 million in actual sales. People are always gonna request actual classics but still the numbers we're talking are a fraction of what your average developer would want to sell of their game.

[BillytheBarbarian]

Also Gamestop price gouges old games that are now playable on the Xone. I couldn't believe Call of Duty 2 was $20! The game is from 2005 and now because it works on Xone it's jacked up? That game was $3 before that.

[uptownsoul]

@AngelicIceDiamond

BC can be very popular to have and not be that popular to use. The two things are not mutually exclusive.

[Overload]

It's niche. Lol.

[IGiveHugs2NakedWomen]

For those of you touting the NPD appearance of Black Ops 2, a Xbox 360 game, as proof, you should also remember that there hasn't really been a large and varied selection of games released on the Xbox One since the beginning of the year. This also opens the door to and leads to another point. Microsoft implemented BC because it gives them the opportunity to re-sell old games DIGITALLY. No overhead. 100% profit.

[Mr_Writer85]

But really 110,000 of what 20m+ userbase isn't really a lot.

[spoonard]

That's not even 300,000 people. Literally less than 0.5% of Xbox and PS4 owners. Soooooo...not very many people want or care about BC.

[kevnb]

thats not what this chart is showing, and even if it was this sort of survey and the way they are presenting it seems like they are purposely trying to mislead.

[XanderZane]

I must be part of that 1.5%, because I do play some of my BC games on the XB1. Most gamers probably still have their XBox 360 and are using that system instead of playing them on the XB1. My daughter love Just Dance and Bomberman on XBox 360. She plays those for hours.

I'd like to see the % of PS4 gamers who are using PSNow to play their PS3 games on the PS4. Maybe they can do that analysis next. If it's less then 1.5% then Sony is wasting their time with PSNow. I actually use my PS4/PS3 for Netflix, YouTube, Amazon and other movie/tv app more then I do on the XBox.

[Death]

There are free b/c 360 games given out every month. I would think gamers are playing them. Not many people pass up on free stuff. I don't think 360 games will represent a large percentage of Xbox One use, but that isn't to say people will enjoy it. I have a very large library of games I haven't had time to play, but that doesn't mean I won't. Having more access to my library across more devices will go a long way towards using them. I really hope that is the direction Microsoft is heading towards.

[Bobafret]

I recently played through Mass Effect again so I guess I am part of that group as well.

[yeahright2]

@death, I'd guarantee you they download/redeem them. but actually play them? I'd more assume they get added to the back log.

[81BX]

Of 930k sampled between Sep 2016 to feb 2017. So take it how you wanna

[bluefox755]

Like Sony has been saying all along.

[thexmanone]

1.5% based on 930k Xbox users,

Article is a joke

[SpaceRanger]

Do you not know how surveys and proper data analysis works??

This is a 'Sample'. This Sample was chosen, based on proper analysis as stated in the article, to show a representation of the whole Xbox user base. It's more of a joke that people don't know this.

[uptownsoul]

@thexmanone - "1.5% based on 930k Xbox users"

You'll have a very hard time finding many analytical surveys with more than 1M participants

[Liqu1d]

@SpaceRanger He knows, he just doesn't like the results.

[Godmars290]

Reason why BC should be there at the beginning, to help the transition from one console to another, rather than "later" with no indication beforehand as a PR move.

The number's low because people sold their old games along with their old systems.

[raggy-rocket]

that's an absolute lie, it states in big bold letters it's about share of time spent on BC, not number of people who use it. Stop making stuff up just because anti-Xbox stuff gets mega upvoted

[annoyedgamer]

Seems misleading, Black Ops 2 is loaded with players and sold quite a few copies.

[Bigpappy]

What percentage bought Horizon Zero Dawn on PS4? What percentage bought Nioh? What percentage bought UC4? Then give your analysis. That would be just as interesting or may be, more so.

[tyasia0]

Well lets compare apples to apples then, what percent bought Quantum Break or Halo Wars 2?

[yeahright2]

horizon alone vs all X1 BC titles?

[JaninatorXd]

how about you learn to read. it does not say 1,5 users use bc. its how much time of their total time they spend on bc. and even if its not that much on average, at least they can ;) it shows that MS trys their best and does not abandon something just because its not that much of a "main feature" for many apparantly.

[EatCrow]

Isn't that time spent....
I may have misunderstood it. But yes. Obviously Xbox one users spend more time playing new games contrary to many other peoples comments.

Doesn't mean it's suddenly useless... BC and forward compatibility is good for all gamers.

[Relientk77]

Wow thats low

[MagUk]

@ Brave_Losers_unite this is only an estimate based on 930k Xbox one users.

[IGiveHugs2NakedWomen]

That's not a surprising statistic. I was thinking more along the lines of five to ten percent.

[JasonKCK]

"Scraping some data off servers gives an inaccurate view of what people do." Mike Ybarra

https://twitter.com/XboxQwi...

[tyasia0]

Then let him provide more accurate data.

And to be honest i don't see why it would be inaccurate it's showing exactly what people are doing. That's a perfectly valid sample, he just doesn't like the results.

[mark_parch]

what's interesting is a) this is estimated b) it's only based on 930,000 which is less than 5% of xbox users and c) even if it's accurate that's still not far off 1 million people using a service which is a free option which is great. It's very worrying to me that people are down playing back compat, I looks like ps5 will not be back compat with ps4 viewing by peoples opinions and I will be gutted if that's the case I really want to carry my digital library across all future consoles

[SegaGamer]

I don't need to use BC, i still use my 360 to play 360 games.

[curtis92]

Found Don Mattrick.

[MetroidFREAK21]

Heh

[SmielmaN]

🤣🤣🤣

[XanderZane]

I still use my PS3 60GB to play PS3, PS2 and PS1 games. lol!! Why would I waste money on PSNow? I own 100's of PS3, PS2 and PS1 games.

[moegooner88]

Who said anything about getting PSNow ? Calm down

[G20WLY]

Maybe if you didn't have a PlayStation and wanted to play their awesome classics on laptop, PC or TV?

Just a thought..

[Liqu1d]

Always bringing up PS Now, no one cares about PS Now.

@G20WLY There are no classics on PS Now.

[KingPin]

@Xander
i guess you could always get PSLater.

[XanderZane]

@moegooner88
No different then XBox comparisons being mentioned in PS articles. PSNow is Sony's form of B/C. Obviously Sony seems to care about PSNow. B/C for the XB1 is Microsoft ecosystem plan for future XBox systems. Like the PC, they want all their games to be B/C for the newest systems. Whether you will use it or not, it will still be a nice option going forward. You won't need to keep all the older game consoles.

[conanlifts]

You should give it a try as it works very well.

[DarXyde]

Same. My old consoles are in my room and I still play them every now and again.

Then again, I also still play Contra and have once a month get togethers with friends and roommates to play Goldeneye and the N64 era wrestling games. .

[StormLegend]

Never seen any reason to have BC, the main games you want get remastered with improved everything, so why bother caring about the other old games?

[HaikusfromBuddha]

Well seeing as how that CoD game sold extremely well it seems some people aren't ready to let go of some BC games. Personally I enjoy when BC games go on sale. I've gotten Catherine, Portal 2, KoF 2002, and more for under 20 dollars.

If BS were really worthless then Sony would give up on bringing PS2 games back. Yet we still see them coming onboard.

[Why o why]

I wouldn't say worthless at all. An option more time is better than no option but BC is definitely overrated. MS used it to slyly paper over the cracks in their output. I've seen some members list bc games in their list vs sonys current games. I'm sure more than 1.5% of xbox owners use it but its nowhere near as important as some would try to have us believe.

Guess all that's left now is spin

[Robbiedont]

With bc people play their favorite once or twice than they do not touch it again. I know that from personal experience

[yeahright2]

Money? If I can just pop in my old copy, why bother buying it again. Despite how little it's used, BC is very consumer friendly move. especially for someone like me who doesn't care too much about prettier pictures.
Besides, it's not a paid service, you can use it for free, so it hurts no one except people wanting to buy a used copy of an old game that is now backwards compatible, well they might suffer from some price inflation.

[paulomoreira]

so its not good to have the option to play the games u invested ur money on for free if u decide to play them , this is kind of a fanboy talk at least its there if u want to use it .

[Nyxus]

This is not about it being good or not good. It's about how much it's actually used, which is very little.

[uptownsoul]

Right...I think the option is good to have. But this study proves that back compat is over hyped

[Liqu1d]

"at least it's there if u want to use it"

Right, but the article is saying that not many people do use it. They aren't saying the option is bad.

[paulomoreira]

my answer was to the ps fanboys who are happy for listen that as an excuse that they dont have it for a good reason and that they were right all the time and thats not true

[XanderZane]

The same thing could be said for PSNow then as well. So why is Sony wasting millions on it? Who is actually rebuying PS3 games to play on the PS4?

[Why o why]

paulomoreira

lol....I think the ps fanboys are miffed as to why xbox fanboys laud bc over actual current gen games. Priorities

I also remember most ps guys saying the feature, although good, wasn't used much last gen. Consistency

[Liqu1d]

@Xander I don't care about PS Now and I can see very few reasons why anyone else would care.

[IGiveHugs2NakedWomen]

@Liquid
You already know those who are touting backwards compatibility as a popular, must have feature, that most gamers want will continue to ignore the fact that the feature is barely used and that is the point that Jim Ryan and others have been trying to make. Instead of debating that one point, fans of other platforms choose to deflect by mentioning PS Now and the "old games" statement which was taken completely out of context.

Those who want backwards compatibility barely use it. Why?

[gangsta_red]

'but the article is saying that not many people do use it"

You guys realize that the article isnt showing that xbox users dont use, its how much time is spent using it, right?

@igive
"Those who want backwards compatibility barely use it. Why?"

So you actually know the people who want it and now barely use it? You took your own poll on this?

I love how a great feature and option is now being slammed off of an article by a third party who took data less than the percentage of the total users.

[Christopher]

This article doesn't state that at all. I'm assuming you're saying that to certain users here, which is a waste of your time, to be honest. I see no need to defend my use of BC because I have it and that's what matters.

[Gman32]

I agree

[gangsta_red]

So is there a reason the article has a pic of RRoD? Or is that part of the bc survey?

[RAM0N]

Yep, I also ignore it. I don't want to play old games, that's why I bought the xbone for.

[DreadGara]

It's good to have BC, no complaint at all. But of course if ur buying a new system it's mainly because of the new releases​.
You feel MS focused on BC more than investing on new IP's which is silly & bland move by them. I believe Phill actually created hes Twitter account just to hype BC, talking happily about every upcoming BC as if he got a new baby born.

Well..... a person in charge like him should be busy doing better stuff.
Best of luck for Xbox boys that's if they actually stayed around for a next gen.

[Zjet]

its a great feature but i prefer to play them on my 360 consoles.

If it was backwards compatible hardware like 3DS or how the PS2 did backwards compatiblity. Then i probably would. But software emulation isn't 100%

[Yohshida]

Why would you? You get the better version, can play it with the new controllers and all the features X1 has. Literally 0 reason to play it on 360

[XanderZane]

That's understandable. I still play come XBox 360 games on my XBox 360. Software emulation isn't really 100% on any platform. Only about 94% of the PS2 games played on the PS3. The Scorpio will enhance the XBox 360 and XBox One games, once they are loaded on to it. Whether it's faster loading time or better FPS. All the older games will get some improvements.

[S-Word]

More damage control for PS4's lack of backwards compatibility. lol

[SpaceRanger]

Damage control?
Very few Xbox users use it, why are you so salty? lol

[Quatron]

Very few Xbox games are even worth a damn, so what's keeping Sony?

[XanderZane]

Very few PS4 users use PSNow. No wonder Sony is removing it from PS3, PSVita, PS TV and Bravia HDTVs.
https://www.extremetech.com...

At least with the XBox 360 B/C you don't have to pay any service fees. It's free to use and digital games you own from last gen automatically become available to download. Whether you use it or not, It's still available. It's still a nice feature. I would rather have it, then now have it.

[BiggerBoss]

Ps4 clearly doesn't need BC seeing as most Xbox gamers don't even use the shit.

[Quatron]

So just because the numbers are coming from a different console with different games. We ourselves won't bother? You people are DENSE.

[Aenea]

Is it damage control when the numbers aren't coming from Sony but from somewhere else??

Also rather interesting to not that only 1.43% of the samples users actually seem to use the Bluray player for playback...

There goes another must-have feature!

[IGiveHugs2NakedWomen]

Those who are here trying to explain away the data in the article will ignore that too because it's another thing certain fans have been screaming about but barely use.

[Psychotica]

I don't play 360 games or PS3 games now, graphics are so out of date I can't stand looking at them.

[Software_Lover]

They are not out of date. The gap between last gen and this gen is not that huge. It's there but not like ps2/xbox vs 360/ps3.

I still play 360 and ps3 games a lot, on the same television that I play my ps4 and xbox one on.

[BiggerBoss]

Play dishonored 1 on PS3 and then Horizon ZD on Ps4 and tell me the latter doesn't look a 1000 times better.

[pandehz]

I have never tried BC yet.

[IxWoodstockxI]

That's true only game I play is RB6 on Xbox. Well it's the only game I play.

[on_line_forever]

they ignore backward-compatible Xbox 360 games because Xbox 360 is successful console

but they really need to backward-compatible for XBOX one because its not

and for SONY they need backward-compatible because its has great games and some of them not run well on the original console

[Razzer]

What?

[on_line_forever]

ok

[Liqu1d]

I think he's trying to say Xbox One needs BC because it's not a successful console like the 360 was and Sony need BC because some games ran poorly on the PS3.

[XanderZane]

LOL!! His name doesn't really fit the comment, does it.

[ILostMyMind]

All PS3 exclusives "run very well," sir. But many XB360 users have not tried yet. That's why PS3 remastered games exist.

[trooper_]

Like I said, it's a nice feature to have but most people prefer new games.

[XanderZane]

That's true, which is why you have the numbers you do in the report. Most XBox gamers are obviously playing the newer games on the XB1, rather then the XBox 360 B/C games. Still doesn't mean it's not a good option to have if someone wants to try a last gen game they missed out on.

[trooper_]

I never implied there's something wrong with options but BC doesn't sell consoles.

[Razzer]

Guess that settles it then.

[Smok91]

You mean people with Xbox One want to play Xbox One games?

[leeeroythe3rd]

I have played red dead and a few others but of course new conten t dominates hrs played. Doesnt mean i dont use content... i would do same with ps4 if metal gear games were capable of being played with bc

[CrimsonWing69]

It's a feature that's good to have for people that have libraries and don't want every system hooked up. If you can do it then what's the big deal? It adds one more feature to your console.

[kevnb]

black ops 2 was being sold to somebody. This chart is purposely misleading, shouldnt be approved on here.

[Razzer]

Black Ops 2 was added to BC in April, I believe. The data in the article only goes through February.

[TheOttomatic91]

I guess I'm one of the few to use it although it's the only thing I use my XB1 for.

[DreadGara]

A) Had a RROD
B) Because XBone has no games
C) Chilling before Scorpio
D) All the above

Please help me out on this humble survey I'm doing. You can take your time good sir/madam.

[TheOttomatic91]

Are you high mate?

[TheColbertinator]

Microsoft needs to get one fact straight. Its time push out new games. BC and remasters are a nice idea in the first two years but the time for new development procedures are paramount. This year I wish to play Forza 7 and FIFA 18,not Forza 4 and FIFA 14.

[Why o why]

lol, WOW. If you can say that there's bloody hope

Sometimes it feels like some of us sound like broken records or fanboys but NO xbox head can accuse you of being either.

[TheColbertinator]

I like Xbox more than Microsoft. Take that as you will.

[kayoss]

BC is just one of many selling points that have very little use in regards to consoles.

[ILostMyMind]

As has been said before, this is a good feature to have but no one cares. The funny thing is that i've already seen that "BC" is a decisive factor in choosing XBO over PS4 ... That's how important this feature is for XBOX users: 1.5%

[RosweeSon]

Day 1 month 1 even year 1 might be handy but generally once your a year or 2 into a generation and the post launch lull has been and gone you want new games for your new console surely. Unless it's Nintendo and you got VC etc as well but yeah I'll make do with my 360 if I do actually want to play 360 games again it's why I never sold it, that and it's the limited Star Wars console.

[Auron]

I'm 100% positive xbox game pass will increase those numbers

[bolimekurac]

its a option that doesnt effect anyone negatively , you can choose to play your older games or not but at least the option is there, why should we lose our games when going from one gen to another.

[FallenAngel1984]

I'll always welcome backwards compatibility as a feature on any platform

[BillytheBarbarian]

I doubt this is accurate. Many of my friends are on Gears of War 3 and Red Dead Redemption on a regular basis.

[Liqu1d]

Anecdotal evidence.

[StarElite]

Left4Dead2s online community is still alive and well.

[optimus]

This is old news for Sony since that is the reason they gave when they removed the feature from the ps3 not even a year after it's initial release. BUT those ps3's that were backwards compatible were selling like hotcakes on eBay for $700 and up. So Sony can't really say people are not interested.

[MilkMan]

Whatever.

[Automatic79]

Lol this aggregate sample is so off. Just last month Blackops 2 was in the top 10 on the NPD. If no one is playing games like GTA, Call of Duty and Red Dead Redemption why are they doing so well. Sorry I don't buy that crap.

[Liqu1d]

Can you provide sales numbers please.

[KickSpinFilter]

No shock there, BC is great at the launch of a next gen console but three years in...meh

[DillyDilly]

Did Sony pay this site to publish this to fit their narrative that Backwards Compatibility is not worth it because Microsoft beat them at the Backwards Compatibility game ?

[Aenea]

The conspiracy theories Xbox fans can come up with are hilarious!

[DaDrunkenJester]

I think a better indicator is sales for certain games and how they skyrocket once they hit BC... Doing a random poll aint gunna help.

[xsta1ker]

this study is surely not the hole pitcher on bc
single player games are not counted
players not on live not counted

and the study is @ 1.5 out of 930k
so even looking @ this study worse case 30.mill xbox ones in the wiled
take 1/2 that number your @ 15% usage of bc.

obviously this is just a ruff estimate but the numbers still make bc viable.

[343_Guilty_Spark]

So what? If I want to go to a 360 game I can. On my Pro I have no option of playing any of my PS3 games. It blows in that regard.

[343_Guilty_Spark]

Only 5% (5 million) of PS4 users (~50 million) bought Horizon (Including myself).

That can only mean one thing. Most PS4 users ignore PS4 exclusives.

See how dumb this argument is? Even 1.5% of 25 million is a lot of people. 375,000 people use BC.

[Liqu1d]

Horizon is one exclusive and you could say most users ignored Horizon. You could also say that most PS4 users ignored literally every game that hasn't sold more than half the PS4's install base.

[SpaceRanger]

The argument is anything but dumb. You don't simply make assumptions on dad the way you just did. That's not accurate analysis. They actually went great lengths to do this.

But I guess it could be worse. I mean, imagine if only 1.43% of Xbox users used the bluray player? Or imagine if even less used twitch to stream, which falls into the same category of service MS just launched?

Just imagine...oh wait.

[IGiveHugs2NakedWomen]

That's a ridiculous comparison. The article doesn't say 1.5% of Xbox One users use backwards compatibility, it says that average Xbox One user spends 1.5% of their time on the console using backwards compatibility, which supports Jim Ryan when he says that "people barely use it." Millions of PS4 owners have little to no interest in playing PS3 games unless they've been enhanced with a remastered version and that includes myself. I haven't touched my PS3 since 2014.

Read the article.

[Cherchez La Ghost]

O'really

[Saijahn]

BC is an added feature that's appreciated not one that's going to make you want to buy a console.

Back to playing AC3 via BC on Xbox 1

[WickedLester]

I'd wager that percentage would be even lower if Xbox One had more/better new games to play.

[3-4-5]

The only time I really use B.C. is on my Nintendo 3DS, which can play any DS game. Most of the Xbox 360 games that were heavily played were "Of the Moment" type of games where you had to be there for those 3-4 years online while it was popular to get the full real experience of that game....once that is gone a lot of the 360 back catalog of games is so multiplayer focused that a lot aren't worth playing anymore because there won't be an online presence for them to be great again.

[milliniumstylz]

I'm playing assassins creed 3 and having a blast its not as bad as people said.. #1.3

[_LarZen_]

LOL, it's one of the reasons I'm buying an Xbox this fall :D

[rigo8582]

I have surprisingly played more 360 titles on my XB1 then initially thought I would. Its been a nice feature for me. For one its much easier to play all my XB1 and 360 titles on my XB1 with my elite controller. Once I got an XB1 the 360 was removed my entertainment center. Its also given me the opportunity to go back and play games I didn't get around to playing last generation. I played Lost Odyssey for the first last year when it became backwards compatible and it was an amazing game. I'm glad for the feature and the metrics don't matter to me.

[alleiarts]

i play it all the time...and so do a lot of my friends

[Doomster1971]

Bullshit. I've been using it more in my last few weeks of having an xbox one than any xbox one game. Mind you. Wipeout is available in an hour so that might change.

[Bobafret]

It is still a nice feature to have.

[Auron]

Lol 3 disagrees we got some real winners on this site....

[Bobafret]

So, no it's not a nice feature to have? Are Sony fans truly this deranged?

[Razzer]

3 disagrees and now Sony fans are "deranged"? lol...a bit sensitive there.

[gamer7804]

I love statistics and surveys. , guess they didn't add me. I love bc, it's a great way to stream and take video clips and screenshots of older games.

[OC_MurphysLaw]

BC importance is not about actually playing BC titles for long hours but instead its importance to consumers is about preserving their game libraries and should they get the itch to play an older game that option is there. Saying it isn't important or shouldnt be offered because it's not played as much as current gen games is completely missing the point of it's desire by consumers.

[KillBill]

Funny how any given day I can look at my friends list and see a group of my friends playing an Xbox 360 title.

[NotSoMad]

The simple fact is you have a vocal part that is loud about having it. Yet, when in use no one really commits time to those games. Sony's strategy of remastering and PS Now actually is a pretty solid one to follow. I'm actually wondering why MS hasn't looked into doing more remasters.

[IGiveHugs2NakedWomen]

It's easier and more profitable for Microsoft to create services like Game Pass and backwards compatibility rather than pay several teams of devs to rebuild and recode old games.

[DaGreatOne]

Just be honest some of you guys, even if Sony gave sales numbers you would find a way to downplay them just like everything else. Despite people assuming they are scared, at least they have given info on some things unlike others.

[stamps1646]

1.5%. So maybe around 500k users, maybe more maybe less? It's still a service that's there to use even if the numbers are not high. I've played around 15+ titles since the service has gone live, and even if my number seems low it's been great as an option since I no longer have my Xbox360. =)

[xsta1ker]

xbox scorpio will be the name of the console.
need proof just look @ the new split s logo Microsoft just published.
where have we all seen this before?

@ e3 2016 when they slowly reveal the lettering of project scorpio
all the lettering had this half finished look to it.

if you take the letter o from the reveal project then scorpio stick them on top one another and reverse
the bottom o this looks just like there new logo.
the split s will be the defining logo of the scorpio in the leading letter of it's name.

[UltraAtomic]

I am playing the hell out of bc games. Right now, I am playing ac revelations then after I finish that, I am playing ac 3. Never got to play those games on last gen and now I am playing them for free.

[Aenea]

Interesting survey!

If you look at the complete thing, you will also notice that only 1.43% use the Bluray player to watch movies....

-> https://cdn.arstechnica.net...

[Bourne414]

I think I'd be playing more BC if they had games I want to play. I've been waiting for Max Payne 3. A lot of the BC games people want to play have been made into remasters and collections as well. Why play the older version when they're pumping out the newer versions?

[Petebloodyonion]

This article is just trying to justify Sony's stance on BC while avoiding the real question of why BC is important and will be even more in the near future.
The answer isn't because they will play a lot of old titles but the feeling of security of knowing that they can still play games they purchased in the past.
This feeling is even more important with digital sales where there are no physical disks where peoples are now used to be able to access the whole library from different terminals (Pc gaming, songs, movies, Netflix, etc.)

[Aenea]

This survey wasn't done by Sony or on Sony's behalf, you know that right?

[Petebloodyonion]

You're right in saying that the numbers in the survey are accurate nor that it was done on Sony's behalf.
What I'm saying is that the author here is using the data here to Justify Sony's own stance on BC
(and they are probably right also).

But he isn't asking the real question why PPL wants BC so much or why it is actually important?

To relate my point: I'm pretty sure that if they would release the actual time spent on PS+/Gold free games, we would have similar numbers compare to time spent on BC. Would you easily accept that Sony or MS remove them by saying that not a lot of ppl are playing them?

[JayRyu]

I want to play all my games if and when I feel like it. 360 or ps3...heck ps2 or Dreamcast and not having to pull out my game cabinet and have to hook them up to my tv to play them. I collected a lot of 360 and 1st gen Xbox games and if MS is providing game pass and BC then great for me. For new comers this may or may not be a selling point, but it is for me it's a great bonus

[conanlifts]

In terms of % time spent on BC for me it is probably quite low. I have, however played and completed 6 360 games so far since BC was launched. Having said this I only played about 5 games prior to this on the 360 last gen as I spent the vast majority of my time on PS3. But for me BC is definitely worth it and I do have more on my to play list.

[Aenea]

That's the thing, it's indeed awesome to have, I still have a few last gen games I want to play and I would like the idea of PS4 having BC. Then again I already am not able to play all the current gen games that I want, have an enormous backlog for this gen so even if there was BC I'm not so sure if I would be using it all that much. Besides, I still have my PS3 sitting next to the PS4 so I can still play them anyways. Only used the PS3 for a couple of games the first few months, after it I didn't need to and BC, even tho it would be easier to use, would probably be treated the same way.

So again, it is neat to have and makes you feel good about your investment, in reality you might not actually use it all that much which this survey proves...

[conanlifts]

I tend to discard previous consoles and buy all of the new ones. As I purchase almost every new console as they are released it seems excessive to keep my old ones around too. Of course not everyone does this, but for me it works. One of the things I like is that I am not actually buying any BC games, but getting them with GWG. It would be good if all of my PS+ games worked on the PS4 in this way as well. But as you mentioned to a large extent I would probably manage to play only a couple of them while increasing my list of games to play.

[Blaze929]

"Our analysis used a third-party API to randomly sample usage data from nearly one million active Xbox One Gamertags over a period of nearly five months starting last September."

....so no official data? okay.

[Aenea]

The API used is from MS themselves as far as I know....

[Yui_Suzumiya]

If I had one, that'd be 80% of what I'd use it for

[Gman32]

So microsoft xboxone backsward compatible isn't used that much and nobody really cares about it so all the people who kept on asking for call of duty black ops 1,2,red dead redemption,gta4,assassin creed 1,2,3,bully,dead space 123, are people that dont used the backsward compatible feature yeah ok i used it much as i can

[GusBricker]

Do people who have Xbox Live gold not DL the games with gold? :\

[Gman32]

193 comments most of them are sony fanboys talking down on xboxone backsward compatible feature its always like this when theres a article about backsward compatible games or something related to it i got both xboxone and ps4 pro and psvr as well as psvita i like them all

[Old_Boss_]

Now put Backward compatiblity on PS4 and see how many people will play games like Demon's Souls , MGS collection , Dark Souls 1 , Infamous 1-2 and ico and shadow of the colossus collection.

[corroios]

There, if anyone got any kind of doubt. Bc is just a feature with less then 2%. In other words. Zero impact. None. Years talking... This why microsoft doesnt reveal numbers, but say huge sucesss, shoots fired and so on.

There isnt any kind of PR that can hide the facts. Microsoft talks so much about bc but never gave numbers this is why, because if 40 or 50%| use it, they would be making videos and comercials

[BadElf]

OPTIONS though. I don't put 360 discs in the system often but being able to play some of the older CoDs has been nice. If there are good free 360 games, as part of the Games with Gold, that's always nice too.
Like I said, options are key. So for example, just because a low percentage of gamers like me use the "Color Blind Mode" options in videogames(when available!!), it's a "stupid" or "pointless" thing? No. Not at all.

I would love to be able to play my Ni No Kuni on the PS4.....but...fug me right??

[LastCenturyRob]

As time goes on this option will become more appreciated.

[LordJamar]

ok and? its still a nice feature and nothing you say is gonna change that or make sony look any better

[Yohshida]

For anyone wondering, the numbers arent true:

https://twitter.com/XboxQwi...

[Razzer]

He didn't say the numbers were not true. He said the method was not accurate. The report states it isn't 100% accurate.

[Yohshida]

Guess im right

[Razzer]

????????

[Brohan]

You Sony Ponys will do anything to believe such hypocrisy. Which they then can't accept which then leads to won't accepting it. BC has always been useful and is a big reason why Sony won't show how much they care for their consumers.

[Auron]

How the **** do people still talk **** about this great feature??? Its a huge bonus to take your old games to new hardware with added bonuses like vsync an improved framerates. It boggles my mind how people talk **** about a FREE feature! The ability to redownload digital games is you purchased on 360 is just awesome! It definitely makes you more feel comfortable about the future of your digital downloads.
Lol and of course Sony and Sony fans would downplay this amazing feature because they dont have it on their system. But yet they cheer for ps2 classics and having to pay for them again even if they own the discs or downloaded them on ps3...... smh!
I know I would love to pop in my ps3 discs into my ps4pro like rune factory, ninokuni and yakuza. But hey nobody on sony's side wants that option apparently....

[WelkinCole]

As I said before. Its a good option to have but it is not a game changer.

[JasonKCK]

This only counts Xbox Live MP. Author even admits it and tries to damage control the margin of error. And it came crashing down on twitter.

[EricHonolulu]

Makes sense. If I want to play older games, which is rarely. Lemme take that back... hardly at all. I still have my PS3.

[digitalkid]

Got an XBox One only to play RDR in BC.

[feraldrgn]

Pretty much what most of us already thought.

[Manubiggs]

Damn, who has time for BC? I hardly have enough time to finish the new games I purchased

[xX1NORM1Xx]

seriously? thats crazy i loved playing the sonic games and the original doom again

[jokerisalive]

I smell bullshit in this article trying to downplay the whole BC thing on XB1. PLENTY of people are using it myself included on a daily basis for certain last gen gems. Just look at the sales of the newly added BC titles like BOPS 1 and 2 and others when they drop. They are off the charts on places such as Amazon, etc. Misinformation at its finest.

[Father__Merrin]

BC is good but not what n4g makes it out to be. real world is much different, i think mabey because xbox one owners didnt have much to shout about thius picking BC as a reason x1>ps4

[MilkMan]

This is utter crap. What im gathering is MS cant pay everyone for the licenses or are to tired to even try. So they release statements like this. Is like others have mentioned here. They want to release "services" which allow for streaming of older games so that you pay for games that are right there on your shelf.
If bc was so bad for console makers why have these services at all?
just not adding up. Just make your platforms bc and let us determine if we thinknits useless or not. Dont think for me.

[Trekster_Gamer]

Well I've enjoyed the crap out of it. The only ones who bitch about I are the ones who don't have it and they are just kidding themselves as they would love it also if it was a viable option on there PlayStation console!

[Ryuujinjakka]

You =/= the rest of the world. I know, hard to understand for a MS fanboy.

[TheRacingX]

Then I'm in the small percentage, I like having BC on X1, the fact it even has small performance boosts in some games is nicer....the fact that Sony stripped it out of the PS3 and its not even a thought on PS4 along with the fact that Sony has all these pay services, PS+ , PSnow, PSvue, shows they are looking at cash grabs....you could use the PSNow system to have BC on PS4, just like how MS does it, the disc reads that you have game X in the drive and streams it in via the service....MS reads that you have game x in the drive and just downloads the X1 version.... It can be done, Sony just wants to keep charging you.

[_LarZen_]

Oh man there are allot of people hard at work for Sony these days (including the fanboys) that want to downplay Xbox.

And it just happens to be just before E3 and the announcement of the most powerful console you can soon buy.

No one is buying this PR spin except fanboys and people that just don't know any better.

[Smokingunz]

That's not true sonyn4g. They're was even a days on how much people 360 games on their x1.why do u think they keep coming out newer 360 titles every monh

[esmittystud101]

The sad truth. X1 is very shallow on new games. They have been selling us the same series for over ten years. Notice on the PS4 side games just keep coming and thats why the fan base is not making a huge deal about B.C. feature on PS4.

When you have nothing to play of course B.C. is a much needed feature. Us over here on the PS4 side, if we wana play something thats on PS3, we do the inevitable......the impossible......the most daring act.......we put the disc in our PS3 and play it.

Give me games and I will buy them. I'm currently waiting for State of Decay on X1 which comes Friday. Only game I bought on X1 this year. The last was Forza Horizon 3. Before that Quantum Break. Before that Rise of The Tomb Raider. Before that Sunset Overdrive.

They just have not had that many new games in the past three years/the life of X1. Especially when your not into Halo or Gears of War. Which also tells me PS has had more new games in one years time than X1 has had its entire life.

[Artemidorus]

A wasted feature that's not needed, that time abd effort could of gone on something else instead.

[mark_parch]

why has the article got a red ring of death picture at the top. looks like just another attempt to bash on xbox to me.

[FinalFantasyFanatic]

I wouldn't mind a future Playstation console that allows for my PSone, PS2 and PS3 collections. I'm scarred of those consoles dying on me. I'd pay extra for the privilege.

[Youngindy21]

I don't know about that. I'm currently playing AC III via BC and I plan on getting AC:Rogue since I missed out on that one due to me already having traded in my 360. I actually DO utilize backwards compatibility. I also want to get around to playing Black Ops 2. Nonetheless, it makes sense that NEW Buyers would be wanting to play Xbox One games first, before playing older 360 games.

[BLAKHOODe]

I can only speak for myself, but I'm not usually too interested in re-visiting older games. Take, for example, Red Dead Redemption. I put a ridiculous amount of time playing it on PS3 before getting a PS4. When I fired it up again, after being exposed to bigger, better graphics in current games, RDR looked terrible. So terrible, I couldn't get loss in the game like I use to be able to, because my mind focused more on how bad it looked than it's gameplay. I guess that's what it means to be spoiled by great graphics. They really do help immerse one self in the gaming experience. But with a lot of games, it's like watching a great movie - you like it, but seeing it once is enough. And anything I would've been interested in playing that's available on backwards compatibility, I likely have already played.

[rigo8582]

I had the opposite reaction. I went and fired up RDR and was impressed at how it looked considering how old it was. It could also be age as well, when I was in my early and mid 20s I had a tough time with old games because they looked terrible. I couldn't play the Wii because I couldn't tolerate a 480p image. Now as long as the games image is ok I can usually enjoy it. For me going back and playing 360 on a 1080p or 4k TV is much easier to stomach then trying to play something that is SD displayed on a HDTV.

[kevinsheeks]

Who conducted this study? who funded this study? what bias are within the study? answer this than i'll bite until than all I see is remasters and services that charge for a product with diminished value going by these studies.

[mochachino]

BC is great but only when it upgrades the graphics and framerates. I love playing old games at higher resolutions, graphical settings and framerates when I upgrade my GPU. It's like a free remaster. But I wouldn't want to play old PS3/360 games at 720p and sub 30FPS with jaggies everywhere.

[rigo8582]

I guess its only gaming that extra features are bad. Whats old to them could be new to someone else. I never played Blue Dragon so its new to me, and I would rather play it on my Xbox One that is already in my entertainment center. Are there people yelling from the mountain top Netflix should have only new content. If someone wanted to watch those old shows or movies they should've recorded it on VHS when it came out?

[Gh05t]

Why didnt they show the data for specifically the people that heavily used it? They have the information but didnt put it in the article yet referenced it.

Out of the ~million how many people even played BC?

For the gamers that actually use the feature how much are they using it?

Out of the the ~million users how many had 5% or greater playtime, then 20%, then 50%... was there any gamers above 50%?

I know they said averaged to 1.5% use which is ~3% of game time spent (Since only ~56% of time spent was playing games) But that is averaged. and includes all the people like me who have barely ever used it and didn't use it in the time frame that they mentioned.

[CitizenFour]

This post is obviously not accurate: "On top of that, the only backward compatible game that made the list of the top 100 most popular Xbox One apps was Call of Duty: Black Ops."

According to this post, Black Ops is the only 360 game in the top 100 games, however, if you take a look at the Xbox live most played right now, you will see that Black Ops 2 is at #9 (which means that it has tens of thousands of players), Assasins Creed is at #30, Black ops 1 is at #34, and Lego star wars is at #51. This list only goes up to 55, so who knows how many more 360 games are in the top 100.

https://www.microsoft.com/e...

[corroios]

This news isnt about Sony, dont try to send sand to the eyes of gamers. Nobody ever told that PSnow was a game seller and millons were playing it. This news about a fact, almost no gamer use BC. Clear and simple.

If it was a lie Microsoft would reveal numbers, but when was the last time they did that 2013?

[Jon_Targaryen]

I call BS.

[ApexWolf22]

I have to admit that albeit a cool feature, I don't play anything from the BC library, imo it defeats the purpose of owning a modern console. By now everyone who was interested in said BC titles wouldve played them by now. If your that adament about playing these older games, then you likely haven't bothered to upgrade yet. I guess that's the 1.5% who needs both.

[spoonard]

The vocal minority of people who scream at the top of their lungs for BC do not in any way make up the actual majority of gamers. MOST gamers aren't that interested in BC.

[Kosic]

I bought my Xbox one mainly for snap tv, then BC enabled.

Snap tv was a let down, laggy mess that it was disappointing.
Bc is great but just don't have the time to play the games I want currently.

So I tend to play my ps4 over my Xbox one due to the snap tv feature being terrible and planned to be removed (or already have, not used the Xbox in months).

[formanbradley]

Probably because the only people who own an X1 in the first place already have a 360 that they don't need an online check-in from. Just an assumption, considering I use my PS3 more than my PS4. If they did make backwards compatibility work on PS4, I would still use the PS3.

[XMarkstheSpot]

I just don't understand why people are so strung up on what other people play and don't play. I just don't understand how being able to play your older library of games, at no extra cost if you have it already, and no need to stream is somehow a bad thing that we all need to point out at how much its not used so we can use this as a bullet point on why Sony lacks BC. I just don't understand how this is becoming more bad news then it should be. Just because a lot of Xbox gamers don't play BC, even though I play BC games and have finally played games like Mass Effect, Darksiders, and Banjo for example, and millions of others have and still play games doesn't mean we should just not have the feature. Are any of you guys seriously against this? Could you imagine if the PS had BC and Xbox didn't? ALL YOU WOULD HEAR is the PS4 is the ONLY console you need and there would be NO OTHER reason to get another console and I would bet my left testicle that this would be brought up constantly. No body is saying BC is the best thing since slice bread, but its a really good feature to have and another option for you whether you want to use it or not, how can one logically argue against that?

[King_Lothric]

Totally wrong. PS3 had BC and it was not being used so they eliminate it. Playstation owners didn't brag about it as it is not a feature to brag about, as the Xbox enthusiasts had been doing.

The problem is not BC but pretending that it is a more important feature than having good and new exclusives games and since Xbox is lacking there they have been trying hard on BC.

[CrimzonRazor]

The list of gamertags used in this data seems to be from 2015 and not a current list, im sure this has some effect on the outcome of the data being shown. I would love to see how this matches up to ms own data, I find it hard to believe ms would put the time and money into bc if these numbers are right. Also they are using estimated numbers in xb1 owners instead of hard data not impressed on how this was done.

[King_Lothric]

MS didn't have other choice. They don't have a big first party factory like Sony and they needed to to something even if it was BC or putting their few exclusives on PC. There is a reason why MS doesn't provide any data. This was the perfect opportunity for MS to show some data and prove everyone wrong but, they can't. They will keep fooling some green group in order to fabricate momentum where there is none.

[CrimzonRazor]

get real you sound like a blind fanboy