Microsoft Should Have Invested In Exclusives, Not Project Scorpio

Forget all of the power under the hood, Xbox Project Scorpio isn’t going to be a success without enough exclusive games to warrant the purchase.

[Overload]

Glad someone finally said it. It's a bit of a smack in the face to the fan base.

[Goldby]

i've been saying that fro a while too.

releasing another system isn't going to fix their issue of lack of games.
have a console that plays the best multiplatform games isn't goign to fix their problem of lack of games.

investing in studios and ips is the only way they can fix their problem

[Death]

The lack of games is only an issue to the PS4 fans with no intent on buying an Xbox.

I think the reason people are saying Scorpio is a mistake is because they don't like having much less powerful hardware with their PS4/Pro.

Let's wait for e3 to decide how many games they are making.

[nX]

^hahaha now PS4 owners are to blame for Microsofts lack of good games? And how is the PS4 Pro "much less powerful" when it's pretty clear that most games will look very similar on the Scorpio? The only thing that can change a damn thing in this discussion would be amazing exclusives and right now, absolutely nothing is pointing in that direction for Microsoft.

[Bathyj]

"The lack of games is only an issue to the PS4 fans with no intent on buying an Xbox. "

You're exactly wrong Death. It's an issue for the PS4 fans who DO have intent to buy. I'd buy Scorpio day one of the gamers were there. I'm talking about exclusives. What I WON'T buy it for of games I can already play. Albeit slightly worse looking. I'm not spending 5 to 6 hundred dollars Australian to upgrade from checkerboard to native. I will spend it to play Crimson skies or some other fantastic game that PlayStation doesn't have. Don't you guys get it? If I cared so much about a power edge of game on pc. I don't. I care about software.

Oh yeah. Lack of games is an issue for Microsoft too, because it's responsible for their lack of sales which is why we are getting this mid gen console. Let's face it, this is Microsoft's last gasp. If this does work they have nothing left to try.

[B1uBurneR]

Remember when Sony said they could release a console without any games and fans would still buy it. Guess what, MS did just that. Released a console without any games and 30 million or so purchased it. X1 specs are lower than the competition. Image the sales if they release a system thats 4x Better without any games. One would think sales would double right?

So the next time thought of XBOX system having no games comes to mind, remember its your voice vs 30 million + system sold plus 55 million active Xbox Users with a system that has no games. This is the world you are living in. Facts.

Scorpio hate is all internal, I mean why wouldn't you want the system with best graphics to play your favorite games on. Lets not kid ourself not one person out there that only plays exclusives 99 percent of gamers fallback default game is a 3rd party game they relax too. Bring out the extra detailed and fluid game plays.

[Sitdown]

nX,
Clearly that was not what was said. You are trying to hard.

[IamTylerDurden1]

Death

U don't think xbox has a problem atm with lack of games? Half the year is over and they barely released any exclusives. I know Microsoft likes to pack the holiday season but it's not right to be almost completely barren for 6 months now. Halo Wars and Voodoo Vince remaster? Look at the competition, and Sony has been releasing PSVR games along the way. Wipeout Omega Collection and Crash release in the next 2 wks but it's almost a sidenote due to the murderers row of exclusives released on PS4 throughout the year. Even Persona 5 and KH2.8/2.5 seemed to sort just fly by without too much fanfare bc PS4 owners are almost jaded with the Horizons, Niohs, and Niers every month.

All i see on social media is Phil and Co pushing everything but new games, especially exclusive games. Scorpio, 6tf, true 4k, games as a service, and Mixer are virtually all you hear. And when i do see them push games it's multiplats that are mysteriously 6-12 points higher on Metacritic (at the time they promote them) on xb1. I kid you not.

The problem is, i don't think Microsoft believes they have to have a great roster of 1st parties/exclusives in order to make money, and unfortunately they might be right. Instead of investing in 1st party/exclusives they spend their money on things like Minecraft, Mixer, the acquisition of other ppl's tech, and games as a service. This would be fine if the money trickled down to new IP and a more robust 1st party infrastructure, but it doesn't. It just appears to be 2 different business models between the xbox division and PlayStation, one seems to be more focused on games atm and moving forward.

Microsoft needs to focus on games this e3 and they need to instill conference in their games vision moving forward. E3 can't simply a vehicle for Project Scorpio with hardly any focus on new games. They need multiple unannounced AAA that will release by holiday 2018. They also need a major new IP to be announced. They need to find this gen's version of Gears. Sony hit on Bloodborne and Horizon already, 2 new staple franchises that will be system sellers for generations.

[rainslacker]

@Death

So if I go to forums.xbox.com I won't find xbox owners who are questioning where the games are? people with verifiable Xbox accounts that they play games on? They'll be perfectly content with MS game output?

As I said in another thread, I can't speak for all Xbox fans any more than you can, but there are indeed Xbox fans who are questioning MS on this very topic. Phil even responded to one on Twitter to say they will bring it at E3....so obviously, some people are asking about it.

For me, being an Xbox owner, with no reason to care about playing multi-plats on the system, I have no intention on buying the Scorpio because one, I was not that keen on mid-gens, and after getting a PS4P I realize it'll be mostly wasted money for marginal increases in performance and graphics, and two, MS can't even show they care to support the current X1 with enough fervor to make me care for the system I already own...much less the more expensive one that will apparently get the same questionable support going forward. MS has basically cried wolf too many times with empty promises that haven't lived up to their promises, or have no actual delivered product behind them. They've done some good things, but where it matters most, the games, they have failed hard so far this gen. At least for what I was hoping they were going to bring based on how they were doing their first couple years of this gen, where it looked like they wanted more variety.

The wait for E3 thing doesn't even help bring solace anymore, because it's quite literally been the thing that is said every year to try and take the heat off MS when they get criticism over their games, and for all but one year, waiting hasn't brought any solace, and the one year that was impressive didn't even up getting delivered.

[IGiveHugs2NakedWomen]

@Death

I guess you're ignoring the fact that many hardcore Xbox fans have jumped ship at the beginning of this gen and are still jumping ship at this very moment because of Microsoft's refusal to support it's consoles. See Iron Wolf and many more. Many hardcore Xbox fans, such as yourself, now own a PS4 and now you're pretending to be a neutral, enlightened gamer. There are others here on this site, Youtube, and other forums who have all made this miraculous change from hardcore "screw playstation" Xbox fan to "yeah I own all consoles because I'm a gamer" facade. I know you're going to deny being a hardcore Xbox fan, but your recent comments prove otherwise. Yes I'm a Sony fan and I am one for a very good reason, Sony is giving me what I want, INCREDIBLE EXCLUSIVES NOT FOUND ANYWHERE ELSE.

[trooper_]

Death, give me a break.

Why do we have to wait till E3 to see new games from Microsoft? Newsflash, they should be announcing things before E3! There should have been games before E3!

[Christopher]

***The lack of games is only an issue to the PS4 fans with no intent on buying an Xbox. ***

As an Xbox One owner, I disagree.

I also don't think Scorpio is a mistake, though. I have no interest in it or the Pro, I'm just not interested in higher resolution.

I'm happy with both of my consoles, but there is a reason my PS4 is my primary console still.

[XabiDaChosenOne]

@Death "The lack of games is only an issue to the PS4 fans with no intent on buying an Xbox."
This is the state of the Xbox fanbase, having no games for a gaming console is not a problem LMFAOOOOO!!!
"Let's wait for e3 to decide how many games they are making." We are 4 YEARS INTO THE GENERATION!! How much more time does MS NEED?!!!

[BIGBOSS08]

Exactly. Sure, scorpio version of some games will have improved performance and graphics but you can still play those games on ps4 so it won't matter much. It's the lack of system selling exclusive games that have hurt xbox since they started focusing on kinect and forgot about games.

[MegamanXXX]

It's difficult to not disagree with this article

[IanTH]

So...it's difficult to agree? Tricksy wording with the double negative lol

[chrisoadamson]

I'm getting one can't wait . I am the original fan base. I am not bothered or take it as anything bad .

[Patriot4Life]

This article is damage control and was written so that the author can feel justified about his mid gen upgrade purchase.

We real XBox fans and gamers are happy with the games we have received so far and are super happy about the Scorpio.

Please stop acting like you speak for all of true XBox gamers cause you don't.

[Kribwalker]

And after spencer mentioned he didn't want to reveal games early anymore whose to say they don't have a bunch of exclusives to announce at E3 that will release in the next 6-12 months?

[Goldby]

And who's to say they only just started those companies

[Kribwalker]

I'm not saying it's either way, but to be as definitive as overload is being is asking to have a plate of crow served to him if they do have games in the pipeline they have been keeping secret

[rainslacker]

And which studios would be creating those games? It's not like new game studios within these companies goes unnoticed.

To date, I think MS opened one studio with a limited focus.

That leaves 2nd party games, or potentially 3rd party ones(paid or just because the pub decided to go exclusive. While nothing wrong with 2nd party, or even 3rd party where they decide to exclusive by choice, MS hasn't exactly shown much initiative in actually fulfilling that stated intention.

I'd love for MS to prove me wrong come E3, and if they do, I will be the first to admit I was wrong. But I don't think my current cynicism is unfounded, and I believe MS should be held accountable for their sporadic game output which is not pretty much a complete lack of said output.

[Kribwalker]

So far this gen the majority of PS4 exclusives have been 2nd/3rd party. Look at this year. Nier, Nioh, persona, and more all 3rd party. Horizon zero dawn, Gravity Rush 2 and MLB the show are the first party exclusives. So what is wrong with that as a possibility?

[Why o why]

So what is wrong with that as a possibility?

Nothing, nothing at all it's just history and probability is steeped against the actuality of a glut of games being announced. Now, ms will have stuff in the pipeline for sure but how much of it will be released within a year for example? How much, this year? Their management and lack of efficient partnerships are hurting the Xbox. Surely you can see that. I'll add again, it's in here somewhere, Phil in 2013 said they were building/acquiring new studios to deliver high quality titles. . . Every e3 we hear the big 3 blowing smoke up our arses but some actually delivered. . Some didn't . . . Where are these titles. . .it's been 4 years

[chuckyj1]

How do you know MS didn't do both? E3 hasn't happens yet.

[Goldby]

I really hope that's the case. But history tends to repeat itself.

[notachance]

it already happened so many times yet in the end XB fanboys always said 'wait until the next E3'...

[DarXyde]

Well, they did let us down with Quantum Break, cancel Scalebound, have everyone wait just about the entire generation to show something substantial in terms of cloud computing, and come into 2017 with very little in the way of exclusive content. On top of that, they're releasing new hardware that, while more powerful than any other console, will still be at a considerable software disadvantage. If you consider that offensive and a slap in the face, I couldn't say you're wrong. It's kind of insulting.

That all being said, I'm still withholding judgment for the year. I'm quite certain that Microsoft realises how bad they're losing ground to Sony and, because there's a lot riding on this year, I think they'll be releasing some heavy hitting games this year. Not necessarily because they should, but really because they HAVE TO. If they don't, I think a lot of the holdouts will lose faith. I don't expect Scorpio to be a game changer for Microsoft, but there is the whole game pass thing. If they advertise all of their services and features very well, they might see an improvement in their fortunes. They're making great progress with pro consumer motions, but the bottom line is you still need software. Above everything else, you need games. For that reason, I expect us to see some announcements for games they kept secret that are releasing this year... because if not, they are truly clueless and fools if they believe throwing power at a problem will solve it.

My two cents.

[UltraNova]

I also expect them to release a couple big games this holiday. What I want to see is if they have learned from the past and keep releasing big new games on a yearly basis until the end of the gen.

But if history teached us anything they will just rely on 3rd party from year 2 going forward.

[XanderZane]

Hhmm.. I would think they invested in both the Scorpio and 1st party exclusives all at the same time and was waiting for the Scorpio launch to reveal them. We really don't know what they have up their sleeve for the next 2-3 years. It should interesting.

[mark_parch]

who says they aren't investing in new exclusives? new exclusives take just as long to make as a new console so hopefully we will see plenty of new exclusives from here on out. my biggest problem with microsoft is their japanese titles. there are loads of games like neir automata that aren't console exclusive on ps4 because sony paid for it, it's just because the developers don't want to create an xbox version and that has to change even if microsoft starts offering to port the game themselves

[WickedLester]

But why should they deserve the benefit of the doubt when they've never done this before? The biggest indicator of future behavior is past behavior.

[rainslacker]

Finally said it? People have been saying this for a while now.

[pinkcrocodile75]

Yes, just like ps4 pro, just like a gpu upgrade for a pc.

Basically you're a moron if that's all you think on this matter.

[trooper_]

Exactly, it needed to be said. Microsoft is in a worse position than Sony. This whole 'rawr, rawr powaaaaa' nonsense means nothing if there's no freaking games.

[Christopher]

Why not both?

[Overload]

It was supposed to be that way, but nothing came of it as I pointed out (below Pro Genji). At this point, it doesn't seem realistic with their current direction.

[Brohan]

That's like saying keep the game boy graphics I want more pixelated games. Get out of here with that bullshit

[deno]

Yes it is. My xbox one s is sitting without much playtime right now. I've been playing my 360 a lot more. Ps4 is next for purchase.

[XiNatsuDragnel]

Thank god someone finally said it.

[MegamanXXX]

Actually a lot of guys said it on here plenty of times like Cinderella, Overload, Butchertroll, Shadowknight, Kingthrash, and so on and many more lol. Hopefully Microsoft has new exclusives to show at E3

[rainslacker]

@Death

OK.

"Asking Microsoft to make more games to lose money like Sony has with many of their exclusives is the newest "must have"."

This is where you fail as a gamer. You are more interested in MS making money than them trying to produce and deliver games that are varied and exciting. Sony has admitted they lose money on 9 out of 10 games they make. But those 1 in 10 that does make money makes big money. Those one in ten become the "next big thing" and keeps adding to Sony's already amazing game portfolio. The thing about this though, is you never know what will be the next big thing, but you never find out if you don't try. And MS approaches game development from the point of view of ticking off checkboxes on what is likely to be a big thing, as opposed to trying to make varied experiences.

PlayStation is making profit. Xbox is making profit.

As a gamer, all you should care about is that these companies are making enough profit to continue operations. As a gamer you should never think, "Well, if it won't make money, then it sholdn't get made, because it won't be worth playing".

Seriously, you were up further in the thread saying how you don't care what the sales are for the system itself. You were saying you want to play the games on the system where they look better.

But what if MS doesn't profit off Scorpio? Consider the R&D, marketing, production, and distribution of the system itself, with what will amount to a low mark up for profit, and a likely consumer base of mostly current X1 owners which they are already making money off of. They are basically more likely to lose money on Scorpio than they are to profit on it. So, by your reasoning, shouldn't Scorpio be cut to ensure MS makes profit? Or do you not care how well it sales regardless of if MS makes a profit?

[guyman]

" Asking Microsoft to make more games to lose money like Sony has with many of their exclusives is the newest "must have".

that's probably the dumbest thing a gamer could possibly say.

[Armyntt]

@ rainslacker, Just as worrying about how much a company profits is stupid and doesn't make someone a gamer so does anyone worrying about salez. I get the guesses of how many scorpios will sell discussion. But when the forum trolls start harping on this console sold X amount during Y timeframe makes it somehow superior is just the millennium version of talking about dungeons and dragons in the 80s. I picture that stereotype "nerd" with the taped up glasses spouting console salez numbers. Just enjoy our games. Sales and profit talk is ridiculous.

[Dragonscale]

Been saying it for ages lol.

[starchild]

What do you mean? People say it on this site every day, over and over again.

[Why o why]

It's kind of a false dilemma in you ask me. Focus on both. Everyone and their dog knows ms is deficient in exclusive output even if you ignore the fact their exclusives come with a *.

It was apparent last gen and hasn't improved this gen. . In fact I think ms have released less games this gen than they did in the same timescale for the 360.

Scorpio is undoubtedly a good thing for their fans with the only question being the cost but having the best multiplatform games can only paper over the cracks for so long. Ms literally need to double down on their output and partnerships. They have the cash but do they feel they have to yet.

Yeah yeah. . I've heard 'games are coming' . . been hearing that for a minute now so excuse my slight cynicism

[RAM0N]

I agree 100%. My xbone is collecting dust becouse of the lack of games.

[FallenAngel1984]

Games are still being released on it

[Rimeskeem]

None that he can't play on superior hardware

[Death]

@Rime,

I built a pretty nice gaming PC which is "superior" to all consoles released. There are a lot of games I can't play on it that only work on my Xbox. There are a small handful that play on both my PC and Xbox.

I also have a PS4 for the Sony exclusives that don't work on superior hardware.

[Unspoken]

My PS4 was sold years ago. No regrets.

[StormLegend]

Agreed! if we could get more of what's in that thumbnail then maybe more people would buy an XB1

[KingKionic]

Lol yes because at E3 Microsoft just isnt gonna have any first party games...just third party games right?

These articles are becoming laughable and desperate.

Its less then 2 weeks till Microsofts E3 you can write better material to stand up comedy.

[Goldby]

but kionic.

this last year, has been scorpio this, scorpio that. nmix in a little crack down, sea of theives, forza and thats is pretty much Ms entire PR plan for the year.

They added services like play anywhere and games pass, but those still aren't bringing new games to the table.

currently because of the lack of games, i have no interest in buying a scorpio. if they ahd games i may consider, but so far, Phils talk is cheap after the countless wolf cries hes said in the past for me

[KingKionic]

Wow you know Microsofts PR plan for the year.

Guess i dont have to watch E3 just listen to Goldby on N4G.

[Goldby]

well at least im bringing something substancial to the conversation instead of just wait til e3.

thats is pretty much the playground version of "i cant hear you" followed by plugging your ears and making noises akin to Jim Carrey.

so unless Ms has kept every single secret sauce they ahve in a vault, we would be getting leaks of stuff about to be shown at e3... if there is anything.

Just expect the same thing as last year. except this time an updated video about the scorpio before its shown off to the world or at least the 24+ million people Ms sees as the world

[KingKionic]

Microsoft will have bombastic E3. Xbox gamers are excited and intrigued this year.

Lots of synergy over social media.

Xbox gamers have shown great interest around Crackdown 3, State of Decay 2, Forza 7 and Sea of Thieves.

Xbox Scorpio especially has quite a lot of interest from everyone universally on this website.

[Why o why]

Kionic

Is that fact the year will be past the halfway point been lost on you? Games announced seldom get released the same year. . . Have you not noticed this. . .it's pretty much the way for all of the manufacturers.

Games were shown last year and the year before yet you can have a year so deep into a generation with so little for the majority of the year.

Maybe ms held back on a few releases to help the scorpio push. . Guess we'll have to wait and see. If they did, that would create a whole new argument but for now let's see what they announce. .

[Xavi4K]

Too true...and if people think that Microsoft are only going to show 3 games which are state of decay 2,crackdown and sea of thieves they should be prepared for big disappointment.

this E3 in my opinion is the most important E3 for Microsoft its their chance to show that they care of the customers, even though they did this over and over they always listen I mean backward compatible , ability to change gamer pic , LFG system are all features suggested by gamers and Microsoft did their job and deliver to gamers.

If Microsoft manage to show enough games from different genera with release date in the same day as Scorpio they will start to win people back. also it will put an end to "Xbox have no games" argument"

[RonsonPL]

Scorpio was created cause big companies realized that enthusiast gamers are eager to spend big money on gaming hardware that is significantly better than Xone/PS4.
And that's that. Exclusives didn't appear to MS as equally good profit. And let's remember what MS is. A company that spent 1-3 (don't remember now) billions on Minecraft.

[343_Guilty_Spark]

What's your point

[RonsonPL]

My poin is that MS doesn't think it needs exclusives, and Scorpio isn't a thing that MS thought it needed, but rather an easy opportunity to make some additional cash. Xone is doing well enough for MS to not do anything and still make profits. For core gamers exclusives matter cause they are a big part of deciding whether or not they'll buy Xone or not. But for the casuals, for the masses, it's completely not important that Xone lacks games such Uncharter 4. If MS thought otherwise, they wouldn't f..k up Rare, they wouldn't cancel Scalebound, and they wouldn't invest so much in Minecraft developer.

[343_Guilty_Spark]

They never said they don't need exclusives

[XXanderXX]

I believe both could have been done at the same time. Still they must have a plan in motion or something to say on the matter . Will just have to wait for E3

[Overload]

4 years ago Phil Spencer took the stage (at E3) and said they were investing in their First Party, creating 5 new studios to make AAA games for Xbox One, that was a lie. See for yourself.
https://www.youtube.com/wat...

FYI, the game they showed was cancelled and Black Tusk changed their name and made Gears 4.

You expect something different this year?

[Lennoxb63]

How long do you think it takes to start up a game developing studio and get games out of them?

[Goldby]

@Lennox,

well Kojima did just open his own studio up as of 2016, already has an engine, over 300 employees and has had 2 trailers released. while none have been gameplay, you make it sound like it takes years to get anything started.

Expect Death stranding to be released in 2018

[Overload]

Well, long enough that Black Tusk starting developing a game to cancel it and change their name to The Coalition and develop Gears of War 4.

Let me guess, you think they have 4 secret studios stashed away and haven't mentioned them even though they showed Crackdown, Sea Of Thieves, Cuphead and Below 3-4 years ago.

If they don't have something to show after 4 years there is a serious problem.

[Lennoxb63]

"Expect Death stranding to be released in 2018."

He's been working on Death Stranding since before he left Konami. That's the only reason he's been able to show a trailer so quickly. It takes about 3-6 months to get a studio up and start on a game.

[Goldby]

@Lennox,

i know, i personally believe hes been working on this game/ or the idea behind it with GG since MGS4 and that its the other side to the Silent Hill/MGS franchise.

Black Tusk was around before they switched over to the coalition

[Why o why]

Lennoxb63

Microsoft aren't new to this... they've had one less gen and greater resources. 15 plus years in the game and you dont think its their ethos thats put there where they are?

[rainslacker]

Kojima didn't start work on Death Standing while at Konami. Maybe whatever the idea was he had some inkling over, and maybe even had a lot planned out, but no production. If he had, Death Standing would be the property of Konami. As an employee of Konami, he is not free to pursue his own projects in such a matter where he would be allowed to keep it.

It doesn't take that long to come up with a reveal trailer if you have good experienced people. The reveal wasn't so complex that it couldn't be made in 3-4 weeks. It was just a guy, a baby, some figures in the sky, a desert, and an ocean. Pretty minimalist to be honest.

Game studios aren't generally created, then said, design and make a game. A game idea is usually made, then a studio is formed, where pre-production begins within the studio. Within a year of opening a studio, they can at least have a teaser trailer, if not a full reveal trailer. Within 2 years, they should have something to be able to show the public with game play demos. It's been over two years since Phil made his comments, and while it's unreasonable to expect him to just say it then open a studio quickly, MS still hasn't shown anything that indicates that they have new studios working on things. On top of that, there are no idications that they were hiring for new studios, or no public records which indicated that they opened new studios. This leaves them to have opened new "teams" within one of their other production studios(similar to say Sony Japan which works on this principal", but there have been no job listings to that effect.

So, no evidence that MS is opening new studios, or starting new games production. We get articles if things like this happen for console makers or just regular publishing studios, yet nothing for MS.

[IGiveHugs2NakedWomen]

Wait for E3? If Microsoft doesn't deliver then what? Will you wait for another E3 before you complain or will you continue defending Microsoft's lack of software support for it's consoles?

[XXanderXX]

That's the thing I have never said I want mind blowing IP or Tons of new studios created ,
I just want new IPs , For them to stop them lame limited exclusive windows crap and buy out studio that create games for them .
Come E3 I will watch , but no matter the outcome they will continue to get my support .

[LordJamar]

and what if they dont will you parade your ass around felling high and nightly cause a console you wanted to fail actually failed? what kind of gamer are you?

[IGiveHugs2NakedWomen]

@LordJamar

I don't expect Microsoft to deliver anything but the following;

Scorpio price/Release date/games running on the system
Sea of Thieves
A timed 3rd party exclusive
VR
Crackdown 3
Forza 7
another Gears of War game
marketing rights for Assassin's Creed and Shadow of War

I won't be feeling high and mighty as you put it. However, I will be highly anticipating the release of games like Spider-man, Days Gone, GOW 4, GT Sport, Dreams, and several games for PSVR. I'm not looking for Microsoft to fail, they are doing that all on their own buy approaching gaming in the way that they have and it's people like you who encourage Microsoft to stay on the same path instead of complaining to them and getting them to make some G-A-M-E-S instead of trying to make this into a contest featuring me vs you.

[Cyb3r]

The main reason I am going to buy the Scorpio is for multiplatform games and use my PS4 Pro for exclusives I think MS are going to encourage people to buy their new console because multiplatform games will look and run better on the Scorpio

[Goldby]

but why not just keep that money and invest it in Multiplatform games for the Pro, liek i would understand more so if you already didnt have a ps4 and an x1 instead but switching consoles specifically for games that both can play doesn't make much sense to me.

[Cyb3r]

Because Scorpio can do 60fps

[Goldby]

So can the Ps4 Pro. heck even the ps4 can do 60fps. so can the Xbox 1 and 1s.

if the game is designed for it. it will do 60fps,

it wont change a game thats developed for 30fps.

so again, what is the point of spending all that money for something you can already get?

[XXanderXX]

True native 4K , UHD Blue Ray Plus 50% more power and a few other items .

[Allsystemgamer]

LOL AT 50% MORE POWER! We know the power. It's not even close to 50%. Keep dreaming.

Why you guys are getting so excited over forza running in 4K is beyond me. It's a racing game.

4K 60fps? Without dropping settings?
BF1? Not happening.
TF2? Not happening.
WITCHER 3? Not happening.

It is not strong enough.

[Xavi4K]

@Allsystemgamer

never knew that members of N4G have access to development tools...how in the hell you knew that it won't happen for witcher,bf1 and TF2 would you please care to explain?

[Liqu1d]

CD Projekt Red said they're busy working on Cyberpunk 2077.

[yeahright2]

So why aren't you gaming on PC?

[Xavi4K]

who said I don't? add me on steam and lets play together =)

[yeahright2]

That was directed at richierich but sure

[zivtheawesome]

the thing that MS has yet to realize is that there is a much better solution to getting more sales:
giving the devs absolute creative freedom so that MS wouldn't need to worry about them while that microsoft workers develop the scorpio. there is no need to micromanage the devs to the games and making them only making a certain type of games for eternity, it proves useless as MS can't control them well. just let first party develop whatever they want and MS would see much better results coming up.

[Goldby]

ya as bad as this may sound, i think the greatest thing they could do is put Halo on a little hiatus. announce that 343 has stopped working on halo and is creating their own unique ip, and hope to god Ms actually trusts them and lets them do what they must

[Geoff900]

I think you are right about 343, but i would add they should be able to do something set in the Halo universe but not using Spartans, maybe Marines.

[corroios]

Microsoft could have used the billions spent on the scorpio to build or buy studios and next gen they would have a bigger library then the Forza halo and Gears (triple AAA, system sellers) and really get the marketshare from Sony.

The impact this gen is nothing compared with launching next gen with a big diverse library of games. They cant have a year like this with zero exclusive games almost at june.... (Halo wars floped) .

They could build the hype and in 2019 launch a true next gen machine with amazing exclusives games at 399.

This way. Sony will again jump the gun before Microsoft and start the next gen and Microsoft will again be very far away in exclusive games and marketshare.

[DreadGara]

They will be a service real soon.
Phil didn't deliver anything good to keep the system flying from the shelves. So I'm not expecting any new hardware after the Scorpio.
Apple or Samsung should enter the competition to dump that weak half assed brand out already.

[Geoff900]

Problem is if they didn't do a console refresh/upgrade then less devs would make games for X1, they wouldn't be able to make 4k games.

[Rude-ro]

Ummm Microsoft will not come close to "billions" on hardware.
They are partnered deals.
They will spend more money on marketing the Scorpio than making it.

[Lennoxb63]

Soooo according to the media, Phil Spencer is just going to do a Q&A on stage at E3. No games to show cause apparently these guys are the best insiders in the industry and know exactly what's going on behind the curtain.

[Xavi4K]

care to share source?

[Lennoxb63]

It's called sarcasm.

[rainslacker]

Worked for MS at their X1 reveal.

Realistically though, MS will show some games. They have already said they would. Plus, I'm sure they're not oblivious to the criticisms being leveled at them.

I'm sure they'll spend time on Scorpio, but the games will make an appearance. The excitement those games bring remains to be seen.

[Rude-ro]

They will do what they did for Kinect.
Take Kinects e3 and replace it with tons of still frames showing the "differences".
Then cloud infrastructure to help Xbox one games run a more stable frame rate on high demanding games getting the Scorpio love.
Third party deals will be the focus since they can not compete with sonys games and that is where they think their bread and butter is.

[nbalive89]

This have to be a big e3 for Microsoft to have a lot of new ips, showing they are commit of building new games not just Scorpio and build some momentum for the xbox brand

[Next_gen_2015]

A couple new exclusives vs 200+ multiplats running at 4k/60fps

Hmmm.....hard decision

[MasterCornholio]

"200+ multiplats running at 4k/60fps "

Thats only available on PC. There's no way Scorpio will have over 200 multiplats running at a native 4K at 60FPs when it comes out.

[_LarZen_]

Please stop this 4K/60fps thing.... We will get more often true 4K with the Scorpio then on PS4Pro. But we will still be at 30 fps. Just look at the hardware and that's obvious. Even DigitalFoundry has made that apparently clear.

[Allsystemgamer]

Sure it will do 60fps if you make the games look like ass.

You don't understand how resolution scaling works do you?

If a GTX 1080 can't do it then the Scorpio definitely won't do it. Remember. The Scorpio TF we have been told is combined power. The 1080 has OVER 2 more TF and even it struggles with games at 4K 60.

So no. Your little black box will not do it.

[Next_gen_2015]

@MasterCornholio

If Battlefront 2 can run 4K/60fps on Scorpio...then i have high hopes.

[MasterCornholio]

That over 200 multiplats will be native 4K 60FPS on Scorpio when the system launches?

That won't happen.

https://thumbnailer.mixclou...

[_LarZen_]

The thing is that Battlefront2 is made from the ground up to be a 60 fps game. That's not the case with most game development when it comes to console versions. I think a good thumb of rule is to expect the games that have and will be ~60fps on XBO will also be so on Scorpio and hopefully at a native 2160p.

[Next_gen_2015]

@MasterCornholio

No...im still sticking to my original comment,

If battlefront 2 (a demanding game) can do 4k/60fps....then its likely 95% games will be that standard.

@_LarZen_

Getting any game to run at 4k/60fps is extremely demanding. The difference between 1080p and 4k is even bigger than 1080p vs 720p.

[ziggurcat]

Scorpio won't be able to do all of the games at 4K/60fps... You can't take the performance of a racing game that managed 1080p/60fps to mean that all games will have the same results.

[Next_gen_2015]

@ziggurcat

Im talking about the next Battlefront game being 4k/60fps on Scorpio.

[ziggurcat]

I didn't realize Battlefront consisted of "200+ multiplats running at 4K/60fps"...

[MasterCornholio]

@Next

This is what you said.

"A couple new exclusives vs 200+ multiplats running at 4k/60fps

Hmmm.....hard decision "

You just realized that you said something really stupid and now you can't edit your original comment.

Big whoop.

We all make mistakes what you should do is just accept that you made a mistake and move on.

[Liqu1d]

You guys say the craziest things.

[goldwyncq]

Why not both?

[ocelot07]

Agreed Microsoft did really well in the first half of the 360. Life they had some really good exclusive titles, Dead Rising, Saints Row, Gears of War, Forza, Kameo, PGR, Crackdown, Lost Odyssey the list goes on. Then in the final years of the 360 they relied on Halo, Gears , Forza and farted out Kinect only games.

With the start of the XB1 they did ok. Forza, Halo Remaster, Gears Remaster, Ryse (eventually went to PC), Sunset Overdrive. Then decided all future titles would be multi-platform (PC). As a PC gamer am not complaining about it. In fact it's great for me. Means I don't have to use my XB1 again for games or do I have to buy an Xbox scorpio for better performance. But on the other hand I still can't wrap my head around why they did that. Sure they will make some money off PC gamers like my self. But would they not off been better off making PC gamers buy an XB1 to play the likes of Gears or Halo?

But yer I do think they they should have invested in more/better exclusives for the Xbox One than the scorpio. Believe it or not people don't care about power. They care about games. The main reason I bought a PS4 over the XB1 at launch was due to Sony's history with exclusives. Sure the extra bit of power the PS4 had over the XB1 did come into consideration as well but it was mostly down to Sony's history with exclusives.

[DillyDilly]

Even if they did that they technically have no exclusives since everything will be on PC so people would still have no reason to buy an XBOX One

[Xavi4K]

because you can't have a pc that run 4k native/60FPS for less than 1000$ my dear one

[Dragonscale]

You really have been drinking that ms kool aid aint ya. If scorpio could run all games like that how much do you think it will cost? It wouldn't be cheap.

[LordJamar]

very stupid comment

[Xavi4K]

I'm drinking nothing I beleive Scorpio will do at least 4k Native for most if not all games frame rate is different story

[_LarZen_]

The thing is that both PS4Pro and Scorpio is not for the average console consumer. But for early adopters who want to jump on the 4K ride now rather then later. And even a few who just want a boost without the resolution jump.

Seeing how many incredible third-party games already out and on it's way. Myself and probably allot of PS4Pro and upcoming Scorpio owners are even more excited then if we were to play on the old consoles. We are going to get a better gaming experience. And for me that matter more then having a handfull of exclusives.

[starchild]

I'm the same way. If I didn't already have a PC I would gravitate toward whatever console ran the majority of my games better and with better graphics and image quality. Exclusives do matter, but they are too few and far between to really outweigh the better multiplats. Ideally I would just try to own all the consoles though.

[joab777]

It would have made more sense because we are all into this gen and they could have caught up tech-wise next gen. Right now, Sony has an insane number of exclusives! I can't think of one game that would compel me to buy a Scorpio, or compel me to choose to buy one over upgrading my PC. Yeah, it's a console experience, but if you already own a Pro and Siwtch...

[Wotbot]

Do both?

[343_Guilty_Spark]

We don't know what all they've invested in, so this is a dumb statement. I'm doubtful they'd launch Scorpio without debuting new must have Xbox exclusives.

[_LarZen_]

Either they have a few new exclusives to showcase the new console. Or they have partnered up with some developers to showcase why Xbox Scorpio will be the best place to play some of the biggest titles coming this and next year.

And personally I'd rather Microsoft use time and money to ensure that third-party games looks and runs incredible on Scorpio. Because just look at the PS4Pro with it's support by developers that is all over the place. Lately the support has been so sloppy...just to get that "PS4Pro Enhanced" label on the cover of the game.

[Phill-Spencer]

This! There's nothing more to say.

[343_Guilty_Spark]

Do people here really think Microsoft will launch Scorpio without debuting new Xbox/Windows 10 exclusives? Like really they promise the highest quality pixels to play multiplats and Xbox 360 BC games? What a dumb thought.

They added 12 gb of GDDR5, a 6 TF GPU, and a highly customized GPU just to say here's Phantom Dust in 4k? Here's Halo 5 running native 1080p/60 instead of dynamic ...oh it's getting upscaled to 4k applause). Come on y'all think!!!

My take is they've paid some 3rd party developers to produce new IPs that will debut on Xbox Scorpio and also come to Xbox One and W10PC day one. Outside of that they have games that were delayed finally coming out and they will have multiplatform games demoed running at the highest specs possible on a console.

[Aenea]

Both would be best tho...

(honestly, I also think MS should've waited a year extra with Scorpio and up the specs even more, that would've put some real pressure on Sony to deliver a new console sooner than they want)

[Yohshida]

How you know they didnt?

[Vasto]

All eyes on Project Scorpio!

[Darkfist_Flames]

"Microsoft Should Have Invested In more Shooters, Not Project Scorpio"
Fixed

[sk8ofmnd]

Should of could of would of... These articles are pointless... Love how people know whats best for ms... Let them have the most powerful console because even if that fails to meet expectations i really would like to see what people (fanboys) say then... Urrrr they should have invested in games!

[monkey602]

I couldn't care for the Scorpio any less than I already do, As an Xbox One S owner I'll be pissed if they go back on their promise and make games exclusive to the Scorpio that wont be found on the OG consoles.

But at the same time I know it has to happen otherwise what even is the point in the Scorpio.

They will showcase a couple of great looking exclusives for the Scorpio and then a year later forget about it and rehash the same titles in cycles until next gen again where they make a ton of empty promises. Typical of Microsoft at this stage .

[Codedan]

Because they don't have money to invest in both? Haha, games take 3-5 years to develop, we won't know until this years E3, or next. Spencer said he only wants to talk about games coming out this year which in contrast with Sony who shows games 2-4 years out all the time.

[Bennibop]

I do agree with this opinion, I do feel it's a miss read by Microsoft. Gamers want compelling software not just powerful hardware.

[S-Word]

Wait until AFTER E3 to post stuff like this. It makes sense when you do it that way.

That message was for other sites that plan on making the same article because I already know "growngaming" is retarded.

[marquisray]

Why so every Sony fan can say yes if you want to play in 900p well that's a thing of the past just as long as I can play the best is all okay with me i have a PlayStation but I am drawn to the Microsoft games for some reason and all of my friends have a xbox so I'm fine with it and yes I will have my Scorpio I can't wait

[PiNkFaIrYbOi]

Or they could of done both.

[Elda]

Absolutely.

[ElementX]

People always talk exclusives... however they don't sell like the multiplats. With 70 million PS4s you'd think the exclusives would sell like 10 million. UC4, the biggest exclusive sold 9 million worldwide, according to VGChartz. The second best exclusive, The Last of Us, sold 5.5mil and the numbers plummet from there. I really don't think a majority of gamers care about exclusives, the numbers prove it. Hell even Minecraft sold over 5mil on PS4 if VGChartz is to be believed. MS exclusive numbers aren't much better, to be honest.

Scorpio will play "next gen" games as well, count on it. Maybe not at 4k but they'll run. When the PS5 and next Xbox are announced, MS will say "Scorpio will run the games" and it'll be cheaper because it's been out a while. Developers will have time to know the hardware and really push it by that time.

[trooper_]

It's not just about sales. It's about variety. Something the XBox brand is currently lacking.

[Christopher]

9m sold on a single platform with tons of third party competition is amazing. I don't see how anyone can mock that. Selling only 2m for a major AAA exclusive gives you profit. Most smaller titles only need a quarter of that too make a profit.

[Kallisti]

To be honest they have enough money to do both

[gamer7804]

it doesn't have to be one or the other, hopefully they have more exclusives in the pipeline just unannounced, we'll find out at e3 i guess.

[WelkinCole]

Agree. I really would prefer if MS bring out games that can compete with the likes of TLOU and Horzion for example.

I would buy a MS console if this were to happen.

It would also be better for the industry as a whole.

More devs will be employed. More games to sell means more business but of course more importantly more great games for gamers to chose from.

Look at Forza for example. That is a great series and it only adds to the gaming industry.

Nin is already doing their part as well. If MS does theirs it will be better for everyone.

I can honestly say I will buy and support MS if they go this route. Not the route they have tried in buying to win by making other console have less games with time exclusives and other shady deals.

[andrewsquall]

But does the author not know that games like Recore, Sunset Overdrive and Gears 4 all at native 1080p and higher resolutions will NOW sell 10s of millions of Scorpio consoles (you know because THAT was why they didn't sell so good the first time right)???

[MorpheusX]

580°

Microsoft Should Have Invested In Exclusives, Not Project Scorpio

They needed to do both imo. The Xb1 wasn't powerful enough, & MS is in need of producing more AAA 1st party, 2nd party[MS published] exclusive games for the Platform.

They better have some of those type of games @ E3 2017.

Im going to be Honest with you all, lol, I always say what I believe as you all know[ledge].

I recognize the quality gaming experience & support the PS4 camp is enjoying on Sony's Platform,
mostly its just not my cup of tea[ Infamous: Second Son, the exception] , I have always preferred Microsoft's & there Partners offerings on the Xbox Platform over Sony's, even though I personally hate MS, but lets not digress..

Up until recently, as in the Scorpio Reveal , & what seems like a very good stockpile of 3rd party games being release this year 2017 & 2018, along with what should be more 1st/2nd party offerings from MS on the XB1 Platform, along with a few Marketing Rights deal's with 3rd party of some higher profile multi plat games &.....

Its seems to me things are finally going to be looking up if your in the XB1 Camp this year & moving forward.

I'm simply saying, either way, Im most likely going to be pre-ordering the Xbox Scorpio after E3 2017.

Here's my list of games im looking forward to playing 2017/2018 & beyond on the Scorpio:

In no particular order.

- Far Cry 5
- Destiny 2
- State of Decay 2
- Project Cars 2
- Shadow Warrior 2
- Alan Wake
- Quantum Break
- World to the West [indie]
- Sunset Overdrive
- Mafia 3
- Doom
- Halo Wars 2
- Portal Knights: Gold Throne Edition
- Sea of Thieves
- Crackdown 3
- Elex
- Yooka Laylee
- The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim [never played it]
- Tom Clancy's Ghost Recon: Wildlands
- Dirt 4
- Yonder the Cloud Catcher [indie]
- Ruiner [Indie]
- Everspace [indie]
- Shiness: The Lighting Kingdom [indie]
- Cyberpunk: 2077 [ohhhh boy]

.....and whatever is un-announced @ E3 2017, I really feel I should have plenty of different types of games that interest me now.

[BadElf]

Cyberpunk! Cyberpunk!
And I would add RED DEAD REDEMPTION 2! Red Dead Redemption 2!

[hiawa23]

Seems MS did both. It takes time to make games, and many complained about the X1 not being powerful enough, so MS gives devs atleast 4x the graphical power and some are still complaining about there are no games. It is almost June and I bought 1 exclusive for the the PS4 Pro, and only see 1 more Sony exclusive this year I am looking forward to this year so not sure why MS is getting the exclusive games hate. MS just need to continue what they are doing. Haters going to hate no matter what.

[wheatley]

*slow clap*

[Ulf]

Wow is this article dumb. Hardware improvements, on the same architecture, SAVE the company money, they don't cost. You can believe that AMD benefits from the Scorpio as much, or more, than MS, and they probably aren't charging a premium for the hardware, as it keeps their (GF) production lines full, and let's AMD and GF improve their process, and hence profit margins, on the Zen and Vega lines.

Marketing for the Scorpio may cost money, but MS will make it back in spades as every multiplayer game shines on it through the next couple years.

Exclusives are important, but not to that extent. That's not what sells the PS4, and never has been. You're lying to yourself if you honestly believe otherwise. Price and performance are everything, unless they're on even footing with the competition. Exclusives, and DVDs, sold the PS1 & PS2 in a FAR less tech saavy world -- the same mentality no longer applies.

[MultiConsoleGamer]

There's plenty of exclusives. Out now and waiting in the wings. This is an old fanboy running theme and I don't buy it.

[giovonni]

They actually did invest in exclusives. The real issue is the lack of securing them. Think about it. Mass Effect, Elder Scrolls, Lost Planet, Ninja Gaden, Splinter Cell, Blue Dragon, Hitman, Lost Odd, Ghost Recon, Bio Shock, and a few others were either exclusive, or completely M.I.A. if MS were able to secure their titles they would have been screaming " Check Mate" years ago. I mean they had one of the best Star Wars games I've ever played, and did they secure it.. No, and that's the difference between the Two. One Secures their titles and then expands while the other doesn't. I mean the best thing they did this generation was secure Gears of War outside of that nothing.

[Yohshida]

Final Fantasy, GTA, Metal Gear, Tekken and many more once were PlayStation exclusive.
You can play this game both was.

[giovonni]

you missed the point. Sony expanded with other exclusives to recover from those losses. They added games that will never come to Xbox. Like uncharted, horizon zero, the last of us, must I continute? The point is simple, if MS would have keep 85 percent of the games I listed exclusive to their network this would be a different subject.

[oSHINSAo]

or both? why for sony its ok to invest in tech and ms not? be equal guys...

[Tetsujin]

As it has been said multiple times,
All the horsepower in the world doesn't mean a thing if there's no games to back it up. I'd rather have experiences than just eye candy.

[bluefox755]

100% agreed.

[Petebloodyonion]

Sight!
Another written article from a single guy talking about what should be the perfect girl instead of the girl he needs in is life!

1) The Scorpio isn't MS answer to trying to beat ps4, just like PSVR isn't what will make PS4 beat the Switch or whatever. It's made for a special niche market

2) the majority of customers (not N4g fanatics) doesn't care about exclusive. Just look at some sales chart and see that evil COD smash year after year games sales (just like Fifa, Gran theft auto, Battlefield 1, etc. Lat year only Uncharted4 and Gears4 made the top 20 in sales. A steady flow of great games is what customers want.
just a reflexion, if Exclusives are so important then Sega would be the best company in the world and we would be playing Dreamcast4 (just go see the number of great IPs they created).

3) The Ms exclusives are now on PC excuse is also pathetic. Let's go on with it and say it's true. Then by this logic, ppl should have bought Overwatch on PC, Battlefiled1, COD, etc on PC. Ask yourself why would you buy this game for a console when you have it at a cheaper price, no online fees, better graphics and best control options? So by this logic PC sales of theses game should destroy PS4 or Xbox1 well it's far from the case Heck COD infinite warfare doesn't even make it top100.

[NotanotherReboot]

no hardware is more important

[Dirtnapstor]

I'm a PS fanboy through and through. I did invest in the Xbox brand because I enjoyed the exclusives it provided me. But after Gears4, I decided to let go. Nothing at the time indicated a move forward. Nothing now indicates anything pressing for me to reinvest. Took my spoils and invested in the incoming PS goodness.

[Godmars290]

Wont say this isn't wrong, but what its worth coming from me, MS did need to new hardware given that the XB1 was held back because it was built around Kinect.

Thing is, even back then, MS had 1st party support issues. As they still do until proven otherwise.

[zb1ftw777]

I feel dumber for reading this article.

[Tross]

So true. It's like they invested in the highest quality gatling gun they could to fire back at the competition...then forgot to also invest in ammunition, rendering it moot.

[conanlifts]

My take of it is that ms are reacting to past events, rather than looking to what is happening and needed. The reason i say this is that the ps4 outsold the xbox from day one. This was not because of exclusives, because the first few years things were fairly equal here. I believe it was due to poor messaging and a poor reveal combined with a console that was underpowered next to its rival.
In response ms have altered their messaging and made strides into becoming far more consumer friendly. Now they are working on problem 2 and answering the power discrepancy.
The issue with this is that Sony have created problem 3 by pumping out a huge number of high quality exclusives. So while trying to fix past issues this has left ms ignoring the biggest and most current issue. Games. MS have not shown they are competing in this area. If they fail to unveil unknown exclusives at E3 then scorpio doesnt matter too much.

[Sm3000]

Even tho I'm interested in scorpio, I can't disagree with this

[dennigo]

okay you can look at all my posts and you'll see i'm not a fanboy, i own a ps4 pro and a capable pc.
this article is 100% right. If xbox had good exclusives i would definatly buy a scorpio, but as it stands i can play anything they offer which is remotely good on pc.

[Yohshida]

If we dont see new games at e3 I agree with you. But claiming something you dont know about is wrong. Guess we will see in 2 weeks what is going on over at Xbox.

[Maxor]

Exclusives that run at 30 FPS trash is still 30 FPS trash.

[noksucow73]

While I agree that Microsoft 's main objective should be securing some new ips or even exclusive titles from deals with well known studios, but i also think they needed to release the Scorpio. Big problem was how almost every multiplat title was at a lower resolution on the xbox1 when compared to the ps4. I think they wanted to work on a new system, but also didn't wanna upset the current fanbase, so they're making it a requirement to run on all versions of Windows platform with play anywhere. I prefer the Xbox brand but it's no secret that Sony has taking it to them this Gen. Microsoft did have some new ips, it's just that they weren't as appealing as the exclusive offerings on ps4. Couple that with them having the inferior hardware, with the the downgraded visuals on multiplats , and you got the results of their position in this console race. Oh, and it started with that launch mess.

[Dowie]

Couldn't agree more.

If you want a machine that's all about specs/graphics etc. then just get a PC! I'm not getting into the whole PC vs Console bullshit right now but the biggest reason the PS4 is successful is because it hosts a lot of very good exclusive games and has a lot of studios capable of developing many more for the future.

[SideNote]

This was a bad move on ms. Now they will always be behind. It's obvious ps5 will be with us in the next 2-3 years, so Scorpios shelf life is short. But I suppose it's ok as the Xbox fanboys will buy into anything. I know, used to be that deluded too.

[steveo123456]

But what if Scorpios upgrade lands a year after the ps5? Another couple more years of inferiority for ps?

[SideNote]

No one's going to buy into that. Really?

[steveo123456]

Well if you buy into 3-4 year upgrade cycles like in you comment them clearly that's what's gonna happen

[steveo123456]

But now you buy into Playstation? Another closed platform?

[JonTheGod]

Everyone always counter-argues that "Microsoft has all the cash". Well, yeah they do, but that's mostly from Windows revenue. How much money does the Xbox division actually have in comparison to PlayStation or Nintendo? Undoubtedly less that PlayStation due to the market share differential, unless it's being subsidized by the parent company.

[steveo123456]

So out of interest, (I'm just bored), somebody give me a list of 9+/10 games that are exclusive to ps4

[MasterCornholio]

Just use metacritic and pick the ones that are exclusive.

http://www.metacritic.com/b...

Don't forget to apply the same standards to Microsoft as well.

http://www.metacritic.com/b...

[steveo123456]

Cheers. See for me, tlou is a PS3 game I'd already played, it was a good game but it's old now. Id certainly not buy a console for a a remastered version. Unchartedi kever really liked, don't care how pretty it is, it's just too on rails for me. Reminds me of virtual cop haha.

So as a neutral, I have to say comparing the two meta critic lists, Xbox has the games I'd prefer.

Although as a PC gamer rather than getting Scorpio I'm getting Vega or a 1080ti so all my games become remasters lol (again, for free)

[MasterCornholio]

@Steveo

Each one can decide on how they want to interpret the lists.

:)

I'm not telling you what I think I'm just giving you the information so you can make the decision yourself. Don't feel bad if others don't agree with you especially if your a minority. That's the beauty of having a personal opinion.

[Tetsujin]

I don't go off metacritic because my taste in games are different than other gamers. I've enjoyed games the public deemed "bad" or "average" while I hated high profile 9/10 games because it's the same thing under a different name basically.

I went back to classic/retro gaming because there's a lot of factors today I don't like that didn't exist back then. I can't stand wanting to play something, to wait for some patch/update to only play for maybe an hour. I hate having to connect online for the "full experience" on some games. I just want to start and play, not wait to only have my time wasted by unnecessary parameters.

[steveo123456]

Totally get you with retro gaming. Don't know about you but maybe I'm showing my age haha!

Totally get what you mean, I wasn't happy when dlc surfaced years ago, but the state of it today is crazy. Just realease the full game for full price, it's not hard.

It's the way of the world unfortunately, and kids today seem to lap it up. My daughter for example she's 10, "can I have this app" for her iPod. I take a look, free for a week with half the functionality, then £8 a month subscription!!!! Crazy...

[steveo123456]

It's horses for courses. You prefer the ps line up, buy a ps, Xbox line up, buy an Xbox. What annoys me on here though is the ps fanboys preaching 24/7 that Xbox has no exclusive content when clearly it does. I'm just sticking up for the underdog as I own neither

[guyman]

You're preaching to the choir

[LordJamar]

media gonna attack it more and more closer we get to e3 to down play and stop its success any way it can but i think its a minority tho a loud one

[deathtok]

They still should invest in exclusives, it's not too late.

[DAEMONIFEAR]

*facepalm they did!!!

[Picnic]

I disagree with the article. Given that a game that can only be played on Xbox One and PC is a 'console exclusive', the most important thing to Xbox gamers is to make those console exclusives be of gaming PC quality so that you don't have to buy a gaming PC to get the best experience.

Xbox's future is a PC in a box.

Microsoft tried to make AAA quirky exclusives and most people just bought multiformat games. More quirky games should come out but they won't necessarily be AAA budget. If there was a constant procession of games like Thimbleweed Park, Voodoo Vince remaster, Sunset Overdrive extra levels, that'd be great.

[subtenko]

Thats super true. I would definitely trade actual and a plentiful amount of exclusives for xbox like PlayStation has over xbox scorpio. Push, they would have made it easier on themselves next upcoming gen too! Talk about sitting in the kiddie pool mixed with piss!

[Brohan]

Right cause everyone says they don't mind playing Atari graphics they just want more Atari games. This is complete crap, once the hardware comes out the games then follow it's how it's always been and always will be.

[Razzer]

What?

[BIGBOSS08]

Microsoft don't give a shit about exclusives and investing into their first party output because that takes effort and work. They would rather try and take the easy way out.

[ILostMyMind]

Nops! Leave MS with "The Most Powerfull Console Ever Made". This is not a problem for a gamer but having exclusive games that i could not play would be too bad for me. Fortunately choosing between having games or having hardware power is a very easy decision to make.

[latinlegend81]

Not really a fan of Xbox. But Microsoft is a multi billion dollar company. I'm sure they have enough money to invest in both.

[Tankbusta40]

Companies like Microsoft are broken into divisions, the Xbox brand has a certain budget and can't just pull from the other divisions unless its a corporate wide push.

[Brash]

Microsoft is pretty hardware-focused. Doesn't look like they've been able to do both, and that's a damn shame. PS4 owners have no reason to buy a Scorpio since there are no new games they want to play. And Xbox One/S owners have no reason to buy one because, duh, they already play the same games. If you're so hell-bent on great graphics and performance, then you probably have a PC already. Moreover, Xbox is releasing exclusives for Windows 10. Where the hell is my incentive, Microsoft?

[Tankbusta40]

Amen, releasing all their games on PC was one of the dumbest things possible. It makes the X box brand essentially not worth owning.

[Tankbusta40]

This is the honest truth. Project Scorpio is going to bomb.

[BadElf]

But....what about having both?

[BadElf]

My Day one Xbox has been sluggish with apps/games not opening. Just in general...fucked.

It's like MS is intentionally doing it...this close to the Scorpio, to get me to get rid of the "shitty day one Xbox".

Or Am I just thinking too much?

[Razzer]

Nah.....probably a good time to put that thing on eBay. I sold my launch PS4 when the slim came out. These things don't last like they used to.

[BadElf]

It's a shame, really.

[Poroz]

CONTENT, CONTENT, CONTENT.

EXEL sold computers, not the other way around.

[Lennoxb63]

That makes no sense. Excel didn't sell computers. Computers and all that they could do sold them. Most people in the world don't use those types of applications. That's like saying Japanese RPGs sell consoles.

[Razzer]

He is talking about software. And yes......software sells computers. Games (including Japanese RPGs) sell consoles.

[BadElf]

True...just Like how I wish Sony didn't invest in Sony VR and they shouldn't have bothered with the Pro...and just focused on exclusives.
Bummer. Damn. Oooof.
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