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How Microsoft’s Strategy With Xbox Scorpio And Windows 10 May Possibly Shape The Future of PS5

The Scorpio and Windows 10 have some lessons for Sony to imbibe with the eventual PS5.

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DigitalRaptor2554d ago (Edited 2554d ago )

Microsoft's strategy with Scorpio isn't necessarily going to affect how Sony handles PS5, as long as PS4 dominates and the strength of their platform-defining exclusives are what everybody is talking about.

What Microsoft sees as offering value in services and features, the mass market doesn't choose to agree to with their hard-earned. And as the article points out, Sony cares more for the future investment into games of all kinds, and Microsoft more for investment into services and features, which is why their games lineup can't touch what PS4 has going on.

As long as PS5 is going to have a strong creative lineup to compliment its release onwards and is significantly more powerful, this whole power race is going to get messy especially for those that really, really believe power is the game changer. Which it's not.

AspiringProGenji2554d ago (Edited 2554d ago )

I don't believe in what Microsoft is doing to be honest.

This iterative console thing and "no one will be left behind" sounds like a lot of BS. How do they plan to keep surpporting the Xbox One or Scorpio after Scorpio 2 and 3?

And how is this any different from what Nvidia is doing? They release the GTX Titan and claimed it was the most poweful card, then the 1080ti came and it was slighty more poweful and way cheaper. Titan buyers just got screwed up. And yet again, they got screwed up with The new Titan card announced couple days ago. Phil Spencer just said they are thinking what comes next after Scorpio and it hasn't been even presented to the public yet. So how often they will relaase consoles?

Play Anywhere is perphaps the only good thing they have going on, but I don't see how this can influence sony. They are not, and shouldn't, port their games to PC. They had the right Idea with PS Now being compatible with Bravia TVs. Other than that, they don't have any other device to do the same thing.

I hope Sony and Nintendo keep the generation tradition. All they have to do is deliver capable consoles at an affordable price, and be Backwards compatible. All set!

PS5 just needs to be BC with PS4 games and be more powerful than Scorpio, be a true next gen console, deliver amazing games like every PS console does, and last long enough to satisfy consumers before the next generation comes.

The problem this gen is that PS4 and Xbone were weak for their respective gen. They would have been amazing in 2009 or 2010. Think about it, PS4 Pro and Scorpio coukd have been a start of a new gen this year with much higher specs, but last gen stayed too long

EatCrow2553d ago

Ps4pro is the first Midgen upgrade I've ever seen. So not sure about Sony following the traditional console gen.

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Cuzzo632553d ago

Saturn CD rings a bell. Even tho it was a add on tho

Vames2553d ago

You don't believe it because you're not using your head. The no one will be left behind tagline is speaking of now, not six years down the line.

When Microsoft launches the next console after Scorpio, the Xbox One will be left behind. By then, Scorpio will be the cheaper machine and the primary sales driver. Xbox One users will then have to upgrade to either Scorpio, or the new console.

Ju2553d ago (Edited 2553d ago )

This non generation thing will be tough. Everybody now expects the games being compatible moving forward. It will even be harder on the companies because if the games run on a cheaper version, nobody will get the more expensive machine of course, especially if the games keep running great on the cheaper version. Not sure if the companies will care as long as they can make money. The Pro is nice, but it sells less than a 3rd of the Slim, could be a bit different when Scorpio releases. It has a distinct name, and the gap is much bigger. But again, as long as XBO games look great and the console will be cheap, an much more expensive premium device will be a hard sell.

At the same time, a absolutely new generation only makes sense, if there is something distinctively new (and be it the name only) and the performance is far superior which also show (how is this actually going to happen, other than making games really photo realistic?) and it is cheap - no more than $399 when it releases - and the $199/$299 propositions at the time are either pulled from the market or are really showing its age.

I don't quite understand how MS will be making money off of a "play everywhere" concept and still build custom HW. Those R&D costs need to come back from somewhere. But maybe the todays service driven industry isn't really so dependent on HW costs any more, something they didn't have before. A big chunk of revenue today is coming from digital services (for both MS & Sony) which takes a bit the pressure off from the device those actually run on.

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freshslicepizza2553d ago

microsoft's strategy is obviously having an impact, its why you guys are so obsessed with whats going on with scorpio. the fact that you guys talk about scorpio in the forums much more than switch is because microsoft continues to be sony's main competition.

what we dont need any longer is this formula that a new system has to come out in 5-6 years and gamers need to start a whole new cycle and not have their games carry over. this is why the midcycle systems like pro and scorpio are going to continue. even sony knows power is part of what gamers want, otherwise why did they bother with the p4 pro when they were already dominating? if power is irrelevant then you would be buying persona 5 on the ps3 and saving yourself some money.

sony is not like nintendo, they need third party support more than they do and playstation owners buy multiplat games more than they buy the exclusives. so to say games like red dead redemption 2 and power is not important is just convenient now that scorpio will be more powerful.

ShadowKnight2553d ago (Edited 2553d ago )

HAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA :) It's funny you keep using Red Redemption 2

Cuzzo632553d ago

Ummmmmm. Ps4 is doing extremly well last i checked. Xbox was more powerful than the ps2. But it didnt stop the domination. This will be jus like that generation. Ps4 market share is thru da roof. The Name is stronger worldwide also. And when the time comes for the ps5, and it will come.... MS will throw more money away to compete screwing up the eco system for Xbox again.

DigitalRaptor2553d ago (Edited 2553d ago )

Did you actually mean to respond to anything I posted, or did you just see my username and think "damn not this guy again, time to spin weeeeee...."? You're yet again bringing up Nintendo as if it proves anything, or has anything to do with the conversation. I mean.... what? Try and stay on topic, like you always tell others to do, maybe? I don't see you also applying the same logic to criticise how Nintendo does things either, especially when it comes to console cycles. They are and always will do the generational thing, and you don't complain like you do when you see Sony fans saying that they value what a traditional generational cycle represents for consoles. It's almost like you ignore what people have actually been saying and make up your own edition.

Why are you implying that games are not carrying over to PS5 here? Is that because Microsoft has been able to achieve backwards compatibility this generation and that Sony hasn't been able to emulate the Cell, that Sony will just choose not having PS4 games playable on PS5? Do you actually believe this is "shaped by Scorpio"?

Sony knows power is what gamers want, you say? So by PS5 naturally being more powerful, that was somehow shaped by Scorpio? Do you actually believe this is "shaped by Scorpio"?

Who said "power is irrelevant"? You are putting words in other people's mouths yet again. I own a PS3 and PS4 - why would I not buy Persona 5 on PS4? I owned a PS4 long before Persona 5 was announced for it. Are you really trying to make a legitimate point here, or just lost perspective?

You are using Nintendo's laser focus on first-party and a deficit in third-party support to downplay how important exclusive content is to PS4, just like you have ever since Microsoft announced their games would no longer be exclusive. The reason PS3 picked up as well as it did going into the second half of its cycle and gained tons of momentum going into the current generation was because of their exclusive lineup of games. You're hilarious and desperate to create a narrative that exclusives are not that important. It's very convenient.

You are YET AGAIN putting words in other peoples' mouths for about the 10th time this past weekend by saying that "power is not important". Not even I'm saying that at all and you know this but as usual you would rather be disingenuous when you're anywhere trying to defend Microsoft's next venture. Power does matter and in this instance it will matter only to those who will buy Scorpio.... and who will those guys be? You tell me. The quite funny thing is, you trolled on and lied about PS4 for years, you're now defending Scorpio trying to expose people for "not caring about power", and when PS5 comes out and is more powerful -- your agenda will be useless because you will have to go about doing the same thing to Xbox fans as you are obsessively doing here. But you won't.

Regarding: bringing up RDR2 as much as you do. Do you know something the rest of us don't?

To summarise, you have literally MADE UP what people said, to respond to them. Please just stop.

Liqu1d2553d ago

Moldybread still trolling like a good boy. I'm sure MS is very proud.

Razzer2553d ago

Always good for a laugh, moldy.

Z5012553d ago (Edited 2553d ago )

On the flip-side. If people care about power so much, the would game on PC regardless of price & setup.
If people only cared about power, no one would ever buy a Ninty console or the XB360 or the XB1 since, ya know, the PS3 was more powerful then the 360 and the PS4 & PS4Pro is more powerful then the og XB1.

TL;DR
If power matters sooooo much. Why did people buy the factually weaker XBox One in 2013?

Goldby2553d ago

moldy,

Console generations aren't going anywhere. Scorpio, isn't the be all and end all for MS. eventually the Xbox one will be discontinued and no new games will work on it, when? i'm guessing 2020 when Ms understands that Power isn't 100%, never was, never will be in terms of selling consoles. it may be closer to 40% and games, exclusive and multiplatform are what sell the consoles the other 60% of the time.

just as you said sony isn';t like nintendo and needs 3rd party support, Ms needs to be more like Nintendo and get some god dam 1st party games out.

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starchild2553d ago

No single thing is THE game changer. Most gamers look at a variety of factors when deciding whether to buy a console. If Xbox fanboys say it's all about hardware power they're wrong. If Sony fanboys say it's all about exclusive games they're wrong.

That said, it's true that everybody has their own priorities when buying a gaming platform and we don't all put the same value on each element. There are also some general regional differences and tendencies.

I'm going to quote another N4G user, ABizzel1, because I think he was fairly accurate in his assessment.

-"Consoles sell well in different regions for different reasons.

NA sales are based on Price:Performance ratio > media hype > best western 3rd party support > Exclusives.

EU/ROW sales are based on PlayStation > 3rd party support (Fifa/COD) > Price:Performance ratio > Exclusives.

JP sales are based on Handheld / Mobile > AAA RPGs > Nintendo IPs > AAA JP 3rd party.

Exclusives aren't the biggest factor in console sales. That goes to Price:Performance, the best 3rd party support, and media hype / brand loyalty."

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LP-Eleven2553d ago

Well said. I don't get this idea that suddenly, Scorpio is shaping anything . It's going to continue to get man handled by the PS4. It's power won't change that at all. It's PS2 vs Xbox all over again.

Cuzzo632553d ago (Edited 2553d ago )

Sony will most definitely take notes on how the scorpio does... why wouldnt they.. Kinda how the Ps4 reveal was handled... Main reason Sony didnt push for Cloud was because MS couldnt deliver. Seen ot was a waste of resources and focused on something else.

_-EDMIX-_2553d ago

Agreed. MS has their own thing going on and having the Windows OS now actually getting some love by their gaming division isn't really going to change how Sony does business.

If anything it will help it.

Many gamers have been PC / PS combo for a while. (I currently do the Nintendo Handheld, Sony console and PC combo)

What this means is PS will still be the default console for many in the coming generations, but XB as a console will start selling less.

Those games coming to PC also mean less reasons to actually buy a XB, but more revenue stream for MS over all. (Software makes more money)

So MS is basically handing Sony the home console market in favor of selling more software , which I think is a great idea.

MS should have NEVER been making XB exclusives in the first place. Keeping games from PC, isn't going to help MS, it will only hurt them.

PS5 will be in a fine position is Sony goes at that gen JUST like how they go at all gens.

SOFTWARE, SOFTWARE AND MORE SOFTWARE.

They make new IPs and SERIES like clockwork. They have one of the best outputs of new series out of any publisher, third party or otherwise and the consumers trust this company to create new content.

The fact that Horizon and Zelda where both talked about soooooo much goes to show just how well Sony can make any IP. To outsell Zelda and to even be compared to one of the oldest IPs in gaming is a big deal to do with a new IP.

They are able to command that type of respect every gen. Nintendo and MS have yet to make a new IP so huge this gen, that it RIVALED an established IP upon release.

MS states the want an IP like Uncharted, well.....actually work for it. Make a new team, buy a team etc and actually make a new IP that makes the industry take notice.

Folks, I own a gaming PC, MS making a new IP doesn't hurt me, I want them to make something I can actually buy and play. I've yet to buy a MS IP this entire gen and Scalebound getting canned might make this the first gen I never buy a single MS game.

This is bad....

Z5012553d ago (Edited 2553d ago )

Games investment/support > specs/services

Like Genji said. The PS5 just needs BC and be more powerful than Scorpio.

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stuna12554d ago

Sony will shape the direction of PS5 pure and simple! Games have always shaped the direction of PlayStation even during PS3's era. Sony didn't stop what they were doing to see what Microsoft were doing! No they just continued to do what has worked for them every generation! And that is deliver top quality exclusive titles.

lelo2play2554d ago (Edited 2554d ago )

Actually, Sony took lots of Xbox 360 ideas to shape the PS4... specially the bad idea of paid multiplayer.

Krysis2553d ago

It makes me laugh when I see people blaming MS for Sony making the decision to charge for online service. It's actually pathetic. You should thank MS that we actually have a great service this gem and not that crap we had to deal with on the PS3

sampson31212553d ago

wait a second, who started making consoles first MS or Sony?

ArmrdChaos2553d ago (Edited 2553d ago )

"Thanks Microsoft./s "

You should thank them....if not for Microsoft then Sony would still be bumbling around with whatever iteration of Cell processor. That's the nice thing about competition.

....and while your at it thank Nintendo also since they were the ones that hired Sony to make a disc based system for them.....which eventually turned into the PSX.

krypt19832553d ago

Yea that's bullshit i wouldn't pay for psn that shit is clunky and laggy update every other day

ApocalypseShadow2553d ago

Actually no armdchaos. Sony was bumbling around with free online play. With dedicated servers for the big games. Not paying for p2p like on Xbox 360.

No. Thanks Sony for ripping Nintendo a new one for stabbing you in the back and getting sweet revenge as gamers were growing up and Nintendo was and is still stuck in the 90's with cartridges to this day.

Imalwaysright2553d ago

You should be thanking Sony and the people that started paying for online play on the PS4. No sarcasm here.

ArmrdChaos2552d ago (Edited 2552d ago )

Then explain what happened to the "superior" cell processor. Why didn't Sony keep it in the PS4? Oh....that's right....the whole lazy developer thing. The fact that the 360 was easier to develop for had nothing to do with it. LOL

The fact remains that Sony wasn't even interested in the console market until Nintendo brought them in and then pissed them off. So my original statement stands.....nice deflecting though. I wouldn't expect many on this site capable of thanking any other company without a Sony label on it.

Competition benefits everyone. Yet all you little corporate cheerleaders with your "imaginary" console war fantasize about a single victor. That would be the worst thing that could happen for the industry, but I guess those egos are more important.

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OOMagnum2553d ago (Edited 2553d ago )

Lelo owned you bro 😂😂😂

stuna12553d ago

How so? Because of adopting a paid multiplayer!? So I guess that during PS3's era sony had paid multiplayer! No they didn't, yet because of them wiping the floor with exclusive games they were able to overcome a 9 million console and year and a half sales deficit gained by Microsoft!? And figure this, they did that without paid multiplayer.

Yet that shaped Sony's direction!?

KwietStorm_BLM2553d ago (Edited 2553d ago )

The idea that any single company in the consumer industry doesn't pay attention and/or take notes from the competition is 100% asinine. If you don't learn from your competitors, regardless of who is leading the market, you will screw up at some point. Just look at Nintendo over the years. If what you say is true, then why isn't there a Cell processor in PS4? PS4 didn't immediately sell like crack in the 80s because of exclusive games. It leapfrogged the Xbox One because Microsoft handed them the generation with their reveal and their policies. Sony just took over from there and been on cruise control ever since. So as it stands now, it's PlayStation's ridiculous games catalog vs Microsoft doing everything Sony isn't.

Cuzzo632553d ago

Sony played their cards by using the insight from 360 and the intel of the Xbone. Its obvious they took notes and killed their competition. MS got too arrogant to think that they will survive on 3 or 4 games... nahhhhh

_-EDMIX-_2553d ago (Edited 2553d ago )

Well....yes, Sony has shaped a lot of their own gen, but give MS some credit and at least some respect. (we know Sony does in this regard)

Sony took LOTS of ideas from XB and rightly so. PS3 came out with an online that made sense and its base could grow in the future. Had messaging, friends list, online gaming etc. The did just enough to allow them to be in the conversation, by the time that gen was done, it was damn near DEBATED which had the best online network and I got to tell you, by the end of that gen, many said Sony, but many also stated MS, but understand.....the fact that Sony went from "meh" online network to argued the best is a big deal.

PS4 shaped a lot of its architecture from 360. 360 was close to PC, easy to use, many developers had no issues, Sony needed that with PS4, not another cell.

Yet what we have now, is a system that is not only better then XB, its a system that is JUST as easy to work with as XB.

Both need each other. MS has AMAZING OS in terms of function and architecture, no denying that. It has only gone on to help Sony. If MS invents something next gen, that helps all of gaming, buddy...I want Sony paying attention for PS6.

This helps us all. Trust me. I critique MS too, but still at least give them respect for what they are known for doing. They may not catch Sony on a hardware, Sony is king in that regard, but Sony needs to watch them in terms of their networking and OS and architecture. Both need each other.

@Imalwaysright- Sony didn't need to charge for online gaming because of MS, they likely needed to because they had a larger network to control now compared to last gen, in fact the likely just didn't charge last gen based on it was already told that the wouldn't.

MS didn't really start that either, PC had many MMO's where you would pay for server maintenance.

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SaveFerris2554d ago

For Sony to maintain their position within the games console market, they need to ensure that they continue to develop compelling exclusives, as well as securing platform exclusives from third parties, and further improve PSN. But, it is also important that Sony commits to being more consumer friendly. In regards to that I hope the PS5 will be fully backwards compatible with PS4 titles for both physical and digital content, and I also hope Sony follow the example of Steam and MS in offering a similar refund scheme.

sampson31212553d ago

MS has released a lot less new games this gen, but at least people that bought the $500 xbox at launch can play the old games they used to play on the 360 they sold to buy, well, a new console so they can play their old games on. lol

Sony, just keep making new games and leave the old ones for the consoles they were made for.
following the 2nd place console's formula would be foolish.

MS doesn't have one AAA exclusive this year so far, but they sure have it good when allowing an old outdated game to be played on their new console keeps the natives happy.
I hope sony doesn't get lazy and cheap like MS.

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sampson31212553d ago

@nativegoku: And what facts did i state that are wrong?

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_-EDMIX-_2553d ago

" it is also important that Sony commits to being more consumer friendly. In regards to that I hope the PS5 will be fully backwards compatible with PS4 titles"

I actually disagree. I think PS4 proves that they actually don't need to do that at all.

I think with x86 being more friendly then cell, you'll see PS5 BC as I don't see it being a hard thing for them to pull off.

Good idea on the digital thing too as I never really thought of that when thinking of BC.

I hope they emulate PS2 and PS1, but those are not deal breakers for me. I there for their PS5 content, but BC would be a nice welcome nonetheless.

MorpheusX2553d ago (Edited 2553d ago )

@Captain Coonery aka -EDMIX-

Don't listen to this crazy man, he thinks he's a snowflake, he's a lost in the sauce Traitor like Cypher

(Restaurant)
Agent Smith: Do we have a deal, Mr. Reagan.
Cypher: You know, I know this steak doesn't exist. I know that when I put it in my mouth, the Matrix is telling my brain that it is juicy and delicious. After nine years, you know what I realize? Ignorance is bliss.
Agent Smith: Then we have a deal?
Cypher: I don't want to remember nothing. Nothing. You understand? And I want to be rich. You know, someone important, like an actor.
Agent Smith: Whatever you want, Mr. Reagan.
Cypher: Okay. I get my body back into a power plant, you insert me into the Matrix, I'll get you what you want.
Agent Smith: Access codes to the Zion mainframe.
Cypher: No, I told you, I don't know them. I can get you the man who does.
Agent Smith: Morpheus.

GET OUT [The Movie]

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VersusDMC3h ago

First to last for me...3,4,5,1,2.

VersusDMC1h ago

Me leaving it out should be telling of my thoughts on it. Better than 2 as a DMC game.

Still a good game though.

Friendlygamer2h ago

3,1,4,5 to me, never played 2. 5 gameplay is amazing but level design was really disappointing to me, just a bunch of plain arenas, the story felt like a worse written rehash of the 3rd and the charater models looked weird ( specially the ladies ). Another problem with 5 was that there was not enough content for 3 charaters so I could never really familiarize with any of them

monkey6022h ago(Edited 2h ago)

2.
Dmc.
4.
5.
1.
3.

God DMC2 was an awful game.
And in case this isn't obvious it goes worst to best

Yui_Suzumiya25m ago

1 and DmC. The rest are unimportant.

DarXyde17m ago

Order changes depending on your focus. I tend to focus on gameplay/fun factor, so...

5, 3, 1, 4, 2.

I really didn't like 4 but commend Dante's weapon diversity. The retreading of old ground was pretty unacceptable to me.

But even then... Still more enjoyable than 2 for me

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I have the game and downloaded it going to start it tonight and play it on the Portal.

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Enjoy. This game is so much fun and so addictive.