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Exor Dev On Why Microsoft Initially Struggled With Xbox One,Not Enough 1st And 3rd Party Dev Support

It's no secret that Microsoft had a rough start to this generation. The weird DRM policies and an always online system made Xbox One a hard sell back then. Microsoft later on did a complete 180 on those policies however the blunders of E3 2013 still haunt them.

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SpaceRanger2559d ago

Initially?
Pretty sure that lack of full on support has continued till today.

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DARK_WOLF2559d ago (Edited 2559d ago )

Yeah xbox lacks full on support.

They just created the most powerful games console ever working along side devs to work with their game engines and make developing easier.

They have over 1000 indie games coming with id@xbox

They work with gamers to give us products and features we want.

Phil recently went to japan again to work with jp devs on getting jp games to the system.

New 1st party ips on the way and 3rd party support is immense.

Yeah xbox is totally lacking support.

XXanderXX2559d ago

Or just maybe no matter the circumstance , some of us are okay and its not reason to whine like an entitled tot .

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ABizzel12559d ago

1st party and 3rd party dev support had nothing to do with the initial struggle.

It was the entire media fumble fiasco MS had from the XBO reveal all the way up to launch with HORRIBLE PR statements, DRM, etc...

The final straw was launching their console $100 more than the PS4, while being weaker because of forcing Kinect on early adopters.

That was the issue. Losing the marketing rights for the majority of 3rd party games to PS4, and not excelling at New IP's this gen is what caused the system to stay stagnate. But selling +8m consoles per year isn't a bad thing, though I'm sure MS would much rather be at or above 10m like the 360 was when the slim launched.

indysurfn2559d ago

Pretty sure it was people cancelling pre orders and not making pre orders after they found out about the very same policies that Microsoft has implemented in China to this very day. And the backlash. Because even before getting behind on 1st party AAA's before launch they had to reverse course(Which they finally, finally admitted).

That was the reason for the problems. THEN came not having enough AAA titles even though they have more than the big three that people give them credit for. Sony just has WAY too many more. And don't even get me started on how many 1st party AAA's Nintendo has. I lost count.

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TKCMuzzer2558d ago (Edited 2558d ago )

So what your saying is, your choosing to be ignorant. So what your saying is because Microsoft are sort of dealing with the problems (and creating a new console is not dealing with it is just deflecting) its ok to be ignorant to what has gone before.
Your saying fully supported, yet everything you mention is what may happen in the future. Support is not what you only do going forward, it's what you do in the present and what you have done in the past.
You may have a point in 2 years time but as of present, no. For your note, they should have worked alongside devs and listened to fans three years ago but of course as you clearly point out, ignorance is a choice.

Canadianfubar2558d ago

Mmmmmyummy-the article showcases past mistakes Microsoft made. Your a fan of Xbox, i get it. But your blind trust is why all this time the fans keep saying Microsoft is going to kill it, and didn't. Stack processing, cloud computing, Directx 12, was all supposed to kicked Sony's butt, Never Happen!. I agree with most, Games make the console, not the power. If Microsoft can get the third parties back on board with exclusives, Dammit make lots of first party games (of any price point) and embrace indies better (Microsofts bad ID@ program parity clause hurt them), then Xbox can be worth it again. I own a Xbox one and hardly touch it. Halo and Forza cannot save Xbox. I also feel the original Xbox One will be left behind in a few years after Scorpio launch. With its weak power, Dev's are going to demand it saying their games can't be ported down to the inferior Xbox One.

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vegasgamerdawg2558d ago (Edited 2558d ago )

I think what they mean is MS doesn't have as many exclusives as Sony. And MS isn't adhering to the made up fanBOY rule exclusives don't count if released on PC. It's unwritten rules you've got to learn on N4G. Home of confirmation bias. IT's kind of like playing Dungeons and Dragons with made up fantasy rules which can change at anytime. Prepare for ignorance. So if you go by the fantasy fourum fanBOY rules. MS definitely doesn't support XBone. Problem solved, move on for you'll never win.

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Thatguy-3102559d ago

The support isn't as bad as Sony had with the ps3 in its early yrs. That console suffered horrendously but Sony were able to save it. Ms isn't having the same amount of obstacles the ps3 had. The reason they're doing how they're doing is simply because they launched aside the ps4. The Xbox brand isn't as strong as the Playstation one.

Rude-ro2559d ago

It sold better than both the 360 and Xbox one day for day matchups, what do you consider horrendous?

glenn19792559d ago

Your right, if M.S. launch this xbox scorpio instead of the xbox one the table have been turn or the console war would have closer and maybe they have more I.P. not like now the PS4 is on fire right now, but M.S. have some momentum right now wit the scorpio it's now or never for them, lets see what E3 will bring

Legendary-Status2559d ago

First thing they needed to do is change they logo once they change from spiderman letters and went OG like the PS3 had new life

Dragonscale2559d ago

@rude, ms expected to sell a billion xbones. Think ms would consider it horrendous tbh.

XanderZane2558d ago

One of the reasons the PS3 struggled early was not only because of the high price, but because Sony was marketing it as a Blu-Ray player first instead of a game console. So there really weren't any quality games for the PS3 for the 1st year and a half. Once Blu-Ray beat out HD-DVD, Sony started marketing the PS3 as a game console and great quality games started coming out.

Microsoft has about 5-6 things that made fans unhappy with it. 1) Price 2) Terrible reveal 3) Kinect packed in with every system 4) Promoting TV & Sports on it before games 5) Wanting to go digital and have DRM game disks. 6) System weaker then competition.

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IGiveHugs2NakedWomen2559d ago

People are all over the internet telling Phil Spencer that the problem is centered around the lack of variety with the console's exclusives and what does his team do? He makes a console with lots of power hoping to overshadow the PS4. Poor Phil.

trooper_2558d ago

I just find it hilarious that they keep ignoring the reason why the PS4 has been dominating for months.

dilbig52558d ago

Think you mean years lol

S2Killinit2558d ago

"Initially" ? Did he really say initially

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Lenrulesdaworld2559d ago

smh MS supported their console with plenty of 1st party & 1st party ip content. I like how the 1st 5 months of missing games equates to 3 yrs of missing games lmao. You can't make this up, they also have every major western 3rd party release minus some indies & mainly japanese titles. It is what it is, support or don't Xbox isn't going anywhere.

Gman322559d ago

Dam you got 4 disagree votes cause you told the truth about microsoft

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SpaceRanger2559d ago

The first 5 months??
Since when does December/January to August add up to 5 months?

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Youngindy212559d ago

Quantum Break was released at the beginning of 2016.

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Godmars2902559d ago

Okay, name 1st party that was well received, sold well, and overcame the overall negative rep created by the first launch attempt?

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tyasia02559d ago (Edited 2559d ago )

PS4 had around 4x the retail exclusives last year. Almost 3x the exclusives in 2015. This year it's around 20-1 on exclusives.

Why pretend there isn't a problem. They are releasing this big new console and they have 3 or 4 games they have talked about that are even likely to be out this year.

I'm sorry but that's a sad state.

rainslacker2559d ago

Think people are talking about the high profile support that actually gets people's attention. If it's commonplace, and not exclusive, then no one cares, because it's not a major reason to choose a console. If it's something special to the console though, it gets notice.

MS did come out the gate strong, I'll give them that. Although that 1st party support was mostly 2nd party support...but that's fine. But overall, most of their games weren't exactly getting people's attention. The only one's talking about it were those on forums trying to bolster their list.

IGiveHugs2NakedWomen2559d ago

If there's so much support then why is Microsoft only able to get 2 or 3 exclusives per year? Every year Microsoft offers the bare minimum and they still expect people to buy their hardware. It's hilarious.

trooper_2558d ago

So what was the 1st party content...?

...cricket chirp

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FallenAngel19842559d ago

Xbox One sold incredibly well when it launched

Gman322559d ago

Yes it did and had a good tripleA games at launch ontop of that

DARK_WOLF2559d ago

Yes something the ps4 didnt really have in comparison. Ps4 sales skyrocketed due to ease of use and better graphics on multiplats compared to ps4.

Lack of exclusives didnt seem to matter it was all about the power.

Resolutiongate was a real thing that wouldnt have existed if it wasnt truth.

But now ps4 is the weaker system apparently power never matterd and its all about good exclusives. Something ps4 lacked for a long time.

Go figure.

Can never win with these sony fanatics. Always shifting goalposts.

Stogz2559d ago (Edited 2559d ago )

@Mmmmmmmmmmyummy lets not get ahead of ourselves here, the only good launch game was dead rising 3.
And what the hell is ease of use? And what does that have to do with anything? Lol talk about reaching!

And at the beginning you Xbox guys were all about exclusives and power didn't matter and there was no difference between 900p and 1080p. Now exclusives don't matter and power does. Can you goofballs please stop acting like it's one sided? You guys are just as bad.
Can't win with these MS fanatics. Always shifting the goalposts...

DARK_WOLF2559d ago (Edited 2559d ago )

Power has always mattered its just the difference between the two isnt very big. 900p to 1080p aint the biggest of differences.

1080p/1440p to 2160p now thats a difference.

Games always mattered yet somehow xbox exclusives are invisible to psfanatics.

And somehow upscaling has been dogshit all gen yet now its genius that the shoes on the other foot.

Scum

remixx1162559d ago

@Mmmmhmmmm

Your comment is confusing.

The one had like one or two more decent exclusives above the ps4 at launch and it evened out over the next year.

MS peaked in 2015 with an incredibly strong holiday but has shriveled since then with notable mentions being gears 4 and forza still being excellent.

Sony kicked it into gear hard on 2016 with gravity rush remaster, street fighter, ratchet and clank, uncharted 4, king of fighters, the yearly mlb and the last guardian and then sony blew minds at the 2016 e3 and psx event while dumping high quality exclusives literally all above a meta of 80 in the first half of 2017, it's freaking nuts.

2017 still has Wipeout collection, crash bandicoot, ni no kuni 2, dreams and gt sport with games like death stranding, spiderman, the last of us 2, days gone and Detroit for next year.

Sorry but while MS was ahead at launch it just couldn't last long.

Aenea2559d ago

@Mmmmmmmmmmyummy

But 1800p to 2160p isn't the biggest difference either. Kinda silly to just mention 1080p/1440p...
Also 2160p checkerboard rendered and native 2160p isn't a big difference either.

Power doesn't matter for most people out there, if it did why on earth did MS sell 26 million Xbox Ones????????

Do you have a PS4/PS4 Pro? If not, why not? They've been the most powerful console for 4 years when Scorpio comes out. And if you do, when did you get it? Did you get it first or after you got the X1?
If you and many Xbox fans didn't get swayed by power then, why on earth do you think people will be swayed now?

Besides, people already on a PS4 aren't going to switch all that easily. Yes, they might get the Scorpio as an extra console but most of them aren't going to make it their primary system if it means they have to leave all their PSN friends, trophies and games behind.

And what many people also forget is that Sony has always sold more console each generation than MS did, there are just more PS fans out there than Xbox fans...

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PS. I finally do understand why MS wanted so desperately to introduce cross-play between X1 and PS4 all of a sudden, it would mean with Scorpio that people didn't have to leave their friends behind...

IGiveHugs2NakedWomen2559d ago

@Mmmmmmmmmmyummy

Let's clarify your statements.
Two games that were supposed to be launch titles were delayed; The Order and Driveclub so your first point was actually right until March 2014.

Resolutiongate was a factor, but the Xbox One's problems were compounded by it's $500 price for weaker hardware and a peripheral no one wanted. After the initial launch, sales dropped off and here's the reason why:

The Xbox One had $500 price tag. PS4 had a $400 price tag. Figure it out.

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Aenea2559d ago (Edited 2559d ago )

Which is fricking weird since Xbox fans say that power matters a lot and that power is the only reason PS4 sells more! 😀

Why o why2559d ago

I know.... the disparity in quantity, quality and variety output have absolutely nothing to do with why the ps is tearing xbox a new one. .... sorry, doing better worldwide. Sony fans have been ribbin xbox about ts holiday only focus for a number of years now. Exclusives used to matter and it was the main beating stick used by both camps last gen and the start of this gen. Even devs are saying this but nooooooooh.. they must be sony fanboys or something. The number of games before ms went all kum bi yah and nerfed true exclusives was heavily in favour of the playstation.

I've zero problem with those who prefer the xbox brand. Each to their own but lets not get too sensitive or hypocritical when others highlights frailties that even ms acknowledge themselves

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Aenea2559d ago (Edited 2559d ago )

@Ghost

Haha, then how come MS even sold any Xbox One? Not because power, that's for sure! Which tells me there are other reasons for buying one brand over the other but that seems to be a concept that's too hard to grasp for some...

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IGiveHugs2NakedWomen2558d ago (Edited 2558d ago )

@Ghostindashell

PS4's sold because of:
$100 price difference
Blackops 3 bundles
Star Wars Battlefront bundle
Uncharted 4 bundle
Bloodborne
The Last of Us Remastered

And I'm sure when Sony announces more than 60 million sold at E3, there will be several MORE GAMES that will be responsible:

Nioh
Horizon Zero Dawn
Persona 5

And when PS4 slim outsells the Xbox Scorpio will it be because of power or games?

And the "Aha!" moment emerges...

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Elda2559d ago

That is why I've never personally had any interest in the XBO for those reasons.I definitely want to see at this years E3 can they grab my interest with several first to third party exclusives & I'm not talking about Forza,Halo Gears,State of Decay or Crackdown 3,I want to see fresh original interesting i.p's & that may drive me to buy a Scorpio if the the price is right.If they can't pull that off...forget it.

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LordJamar2558d ago (Edited 2558d ago )

no interesting xbox game ever i think you have a bit to much bias now they gota show 5 original games? thats some BS just go play your ps and dont worry about getting a xbox you clearly dont want one gemers are a joke

Elda2558d ago (Edited 2558d ago )

I'll say it again. ..NO INTERESTING GAMES EVER.Like I'm going to listen to you or pay heed to your tired opinion...lol.Bye!...smh.

dilbig52558d ago

Why couldn't they show at least 5 original games? Everyone else does lol. Need some games to go with the new "power" they got going on.

LordJamar2558d ago

like i said your not gonna get one and you never will or was your just lieing so play your sony box buh bye

Elda2558d ago (Edited 2558d ago )

It's funny how you come to this site telling folks that they are lying (NOT lieing) & what they should play but you don't know the first thing on writing sentences correctly including spelling,capitalizing your letters or punctuation.Instead of worrying about what system someone is curious about or what games someone is not interested in you should enroll in a english/grammar class or did you even graduate from high school.Videogames should be the last thing on your mind,getting a decent education should be first...LordJamar...lmao while smh!

LordJamar2557d ago

@elda stay mad stay salty my friend lol getting under your skin.....priceless

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WayForward Director Says Nintendo Changed The Way He Looks At Making Video Games

Veteran game designer James Montagna is directing this new project and apparently has a new outlook on game design after teaming up with Nintendo

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jznrpg14h ago

How long until they get sued and it gets taken down? I say a month or 2

PRIMORDUS13h ago

Sued for what? It's just an emulator no ROMs are with it. ROMs are easy to get anyway, but with iPhone you can't just copy and paste like Android unless it's jail broken I think. Anyway Nintendo should be more concerned with their ROMs up to torrent for years for all of their concoles, but then again they can't do nothing about it, they never will and I love it. 🤣

NotoriousWhiz11h ago

As long as it isn't emulating the Switch, it'll be fine.

RonnySins11h ago

Naaah! Don't want to waste time emulating on iPhone.

Knightofelemia10h ago

Won't belong before Nintendo bangs on Apple's door to have the emu removed. Like I say you take down one six more take it's place. Problem is people are putting emu's on such stupid platforms. The good emus are the ones not on stupid platforms like a red target. The good emu's are word of mouth and keep a low profile.

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