Should The Xbox Scorpio Have Been A Full Fledged Next Generation System?

The natural and obvious question that arises then is, why are Microsoft keeping the Scorpio straddled with, and tethered to, the existing Xbox One?

[chrisx]

At this point and beyond the xbox console is just like a steam box since every exclusive will be on windows

[Bigpappy]

If it were a steam-box, it would play every windows game and said exclusives would be playable on Steam.
It is not the launch of a new gen console. It is a premium console for core gamers who feel the need and can afford to purchase such a console.
Having said that, I could become a next gen console if enough of them are sold, and developers start to harness its power as the focus of their projects. Phil did say he would leave it up to developers as to how they want to use that power. So there is no mandate or parity clause. It is just that he wants to see the X1 also get a version of the game live you would with PC's of different power classes.

[GtR35olution]

The wheels on the bus go round and round.

[darthv72]

Scorpio is a next gen class of hardware despite its focus on being in the same game as xb1.

Same with ps4 pro. Both are capable of significantly more than what we are lead to believe. Sony and MS obviously dont want to bite the hand that feeds them but at some point these systems will have to distance themselves from the prior if they are to really show what they can do.

[fr0sty]

It still can be depending on how MS chooses to approach it. The only thing keeping it a current gen upgrade is the fact that MS states that it must be fully forward and backward compatible, like PS4 Pro. If MS decides to let developers eventually target games to take full advantage of Scorpio hardware, and release software that is Scorpio exclusive and cannot run on One, it becomes a next gen system. Same for Pro, to a somewhat lesser extent. Doing so is very risky, however. They risk alienating their user base by releasing new gen upgrades too soon, pissing off developers who are just getting used to having a few tens of millions of people to sell their games to. Having a new console with a new install base starting from scratch 4 years after the release of the old one could lead to developers not being willing to take the risk of making Scorpio-exclusive titles, and instead opting to set the bar lower so the games can run on Xbox One as well.

They would be wise to let this just be an upgrade, and save the new gen for something more powerful. That said, they would have been wise to not release a mid-gen upgrade at the end of the gen as well, but hindsight is 20/20.

[TFJWM]

FYI steam box can't play every past steam game either...They still need to be patched for it, same as the scorp...

[krypt1983]

Don't worry that is in the pipeline if not this year by next year we will be playing league and other pc games on scorpio and what comes after that

[XanderZane]

@fr0sty
Not sure what you've been reading, but developers for the Scorpio already said they would be taking full advantage of it's power. The Scorpio will become the lead hardware to develop for and he developers will them downgrade the game to run on the XBox One. Pretty much what PC developers have been doing for years. They developer for the highest powered PC and then have setting that cater to mid and lower capable PC's. That's what will happen with the Scorpio and PS4 Pro from here on out. Titles don't have to be exclusive to take advantage of the power of the Scorpio or PS4 Pro. Not sure why you think this.

[BizarroUltraman]

And theres still the possibility PC exclusives will be playable on Xbox Scorpio/One.

[Deep-throat]

They aren't releasing their games on Steam. And It's not a negative thing if they keep releasing Xbox games on PC, many console-only gamers don't care about PC gaming or your petty list wars.

[MatrixxGT]

So true.

[81BX]

Exactly! I own a ps4/xb1, a lot of games release on both systems. It doesnt make any system worth less in value to the gamer. I would like to see a transformation to scorpio exclusives in a yr

[DragonDDark]

Quantum break?

[mcstorm]

Spot on. For me I'm glad Microsoft are bringing their games out for Windows 10 as well as the Xbox. PC gaming is very open to different gore's where Xbox is very tight with FPS and racing games. Doing this will help developers bring more IPS to the Xbox brand opening it up to more people as we know games is where the £ is made. Also porting the game to Xbox is alot easer with Windows 10 which also cuts down the cost for developers to.

[Tsar4ever01]

6tf divided by 3.12 = 4.54tf times of performance output compared to the XB1? Not really a next-gen console, but it's close. Can't wait to learn what Sony's cooking up with AMD to best the Scorpio come 2018-19.

[BenqMagician]

Seriously that's the best u can come up with "steam box" lol. Must hurt when u buy a exclusive from Sony or Nintendo u get 1 version of a game but xbox u get 2 copys ( 1 PC copy) that's value for your money.

[shiva1]

Dont just say windows. Its windows 10. Last time i knew theres half billion who havent upgraded to windows 10.

[Amongunz]

And even if not exactly true, why is that bad again?

[strangerthings1995]

Game prices surely won't be as cheap as on a steam box

[XanderZane]

It's not a Steam Box. Gamers are actually buying XBox Ones. Who's buying a Steam Box? Who's supporting a Steam Box?

When the SWITCH is released in March, doesn't that start a new generation anyways? The SWITCH won't be B/C with any of the Wii systems. It's a whole new platform, so a whole new 9th Generation starts.

I think the reason Microsoft didn't go the whole Next Gen phase with Scorpio is because it would make it seem like they were abandoning the OG XBox One. Right now, they don't want to do that. I guarantee once the PS5 is announced in a couple years, they will pull the plug on XB1 software development and strictly support Scorpio and Scorpio 2 in the future.

[BizarroUltraman]

I dont game on PC tho. this could work both ways and we see some PC exclusives come to Xbox One and Scorpio.
Or do you disagree with that too!

Btw- steambox? I bet Gabe would be happy of MS handed him Xbox.

[Nyxus]

The problem is that the Xbox One never really took off, Microsoft just didn't deliver on the games front. If they release a new console now and toss the Xbox One to the side, that would probably piss off their remaining fanbase. I don't think it would be a smart move. How are they going to sell the Scorpio if that's the kind of support you can expect?

[Godmars290]

The brand in its entirety never really took off. It may have had a moment in the US, and initially in Japan, with the 360, but MS's underestimation of hardware - irony - and the insistence into turning what was once one-sale products into services, with ongoing subscriptions, limited them too much. Blew up in their face with the XB1.

If there is another Xbox after this one, my guess is that it will DDL only with no disc drive. It will be a Steam/streaming media box.

[Gazondaily]

"The brand in its entirety never really took off. "

Lol bullshit

[Godmars290]

@Septic:
What MS's goal when they first introduced the Xbox versus what's its achieved so far? Do they have a presence in Japan, or do they sell in low double is not single digits at this point? When the 360 had a lead against the PS3 did it increase or decrease? Near the end of that console gen was it all but gone with the PS3 just tying? Was the Kinect a rousing or even passable success?

The only reason the Xbox has gotten as far as it has was because the brand's parent company spent money to hold it up. At the same time however, likely between the first and 360, the rrod episode, in trying to make up for the brand's losses they kept crippling it in one way or another. Either by insisting on Gold subs, or Kinect along with always online, and the original DRM polices.

Compare that history to Nintendo, who despite a relatively small market at the time, became known world wide, or the Playstation brand, which both dethroned the Big N in the market and exploded it to such worrying degree MS felt that they had to get in on it.

And for all the money and (misplaced) effort where has it gotten them by their fourth system? And yes, just like the PS4 Pro is Sony's 5th, 7th not counting the PSP/PSV, Scorpio is MS's 4th. And the only reason they're putting it out is to make ground after they made the biggest mistake yet when they thought they had won with the 360.

[rainslacker]

I don't think MS not achieving their goals with Xbox long term with Xbox is the same as the brand not taking off.

I think it's hard to say that the brand didn't take off, because MS has become known as a major player in the console market due to their success last gen.

Obviously, they are falling back now, but that doesn't erase them actually having a major presence.

[conanlifts]

If it continues to sell in the same numbers, based on the average lifecycle of a console (5-6 years), it would sell 45-55 million units. That's not exactly a failure.

[Godmars290]

@rainslacker:
Still, they only had a presence, have the one they do, more because MS occupies the position in the industry it does. Otherwise, considering the moves and losses involved with the first system, the Xbox brand would have been a one-gen console.

@sd11
Measuring/judging success/failure by what they've done right and wrong. The effort they've put into now and then. And between getting into consoles, from trying to create a presence in Japan, China, and the Kinect, for being part of a World wide corporation , MS's console hasn't done all that well.

[Deep-throat]

Halo MCC
Halo 5
Forza 5
Forza 6
Forza Horizon 2
Forza Horizon 3 (the definitive racing game of the generation)
Ori and the Blind Forest
Killer Instinct
Sunset Overdrive
Gears of War: Ultimate Edition
Gears 4

[Nyxus]

You think this is sufficient?

[Deep-throat]

@Nyxus

I only mentioned the games that released so far.

[Godmars290]

None of which even addresses the topic. MS needs to prove the Scorpio at a time when their ability to deliver games is in question. Nevermind that of the eleven titles you list over half are sequels, two commissioned with one being indie, and really only one of them something originally created in-house - and that's the racing game.

[tyasia0]

So 8 of 11 are Halo, Gears and Forza...

Forgive me if I'm not impressed with that list.

[noksucow73]

You forgot Recore, Quantam Break, and Inside. Those games , while not great, we're very good titles, that just didn't meet expectations.

[1Victor]

@deep throat wow you just proven every Sony fanboy in this site right with that list as a troll and a Xbox fanboy you failed badly so bad that it wasn't a epic fail it was a super, mega,ultra, neo ultimate failed combo

[_-EDMIX-_]

So basically 95% of the same type of games they were releasing the previous generation and even the previous generation before that?

[bolimekurac]

nyxus, yes it is when compared to what sony has delivered the last 3 holidays.

[DragonDDark]

Inside is on ps4

[trooper_]

Oh wow, what an amazing list of games./s

That DRM mention crippled Microsoft and it's something they'll probably never recover from.

[PrinterMan]

Wow. 5 forza games? Definitive? That's a very poor list of games.

[zb1ftw777]

That's a flat out lie lmao.

Yes, the xbox one was a little over shadowed by the ps4, but it was the second fastest selling console in history at launch and it's sales figures are more than respectable.

Plus it sits at the forefront of all gaming sections in all shops alongside the ps4.

How on earth do you come to the conclusion "it never took off".

LOL !!!

[XanderZane]

True and that's why they aren't throwing the XBox One aside. They will definitely support it for at least 2-3 more years before they pull the plug and announce a more powerful Scorpio in 2019-2020.

[DJustinUNCHAIND]

How is 25 million units sold "not really taking off"?

[Godmars290]

[Banging head against wall]

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[freshslicepizza]

the wii u had 725 game ands is officilaly dead after zleda.

the xbox one came out later has 1,000 games and still going. its funny how much attention the xbox gets and how much people attack them FAR FAR more than nintendo. the reason is simple, most people on game forums are sony fans and their number one target has ALWAYS been the xbox brand. they see them as a direct competitor and will ALWAYS pick them apart much more than nintendo.

[Godmars290]

Talking about the Scorpio, which so far has no games to justify the hardware and will by all counts be limited, for a time at least, by the XB1's specs. Will only be turning out slightly better looking, higher frame rated, versions of previously released titles. Will also put MS's foot in the VR door when that's suppose to have already fizzled out.

As for the Wii U comparison, Nintendo and MS are on opposite ends of the issue. One having strong in-house IPs but little to no 3rd party support, while the other mainly relies on 3rd party support but can't cultivate in-house IPs.

The solution there is simple, go back to building for specific hardware, but then that could remove the sweet-sweet multiplat pie 3rd parties are always chasing after while proving more and more by bad, buggy, and outright broken ports, that they can't keep up with it. And of course the current (PC) gamer would flip their s**t about such. Nevermind that MS started that whole mess and as soon lose control.

[Nitrowolf2]

Heck you talking about, switch is gettiing hated on for lack of third party support, almoat every comment mentions it hurt the wii u. The wii u has gotten so much hate during its time and now the switch is.

Go hop on a nintendo article youll see them flooded by all sides

[_-EDMIX-_]

you also have to Factor the quality.

Also being better than Wii U doesn't necessarily mean outselling the PlayStation 4

Also why do you care which company or platform gets attacked more or less? How do you know millions of Gamers? I would greatly disagree because Nintendo has a far larger install base of fans then Microsoft does

I would argue that Nintendo fans have complained about Nintendo more than Microsoft fans have complained about Microsoft.

In my personal opinion I would say Nintendo fans have more reasons to complain to be honest with you than Microsoft fans.

Microsoft's only real issue is their exclusives and clearly their internal Studio other than that they create an extremely solid platform for support.

With Nintendo it's all over the place with problems ranging from software to Hardware in again Nintendo fans themselves could tell you that something is wrong with that company so I'm not sure how you believe one platform is getting picked on over the other more.

Even if that was the case why do you care? Please stop getting emotional over this this is not a playground and no one's beating up your father lol

I don't understand? Are you going to call the gaming police because someone's making fun of Microsoft?

How is Nintendo even relevant to this?

Buddy .. seriously dry your tears I have no clue exactly what point you're trying to prove or exactly what you think the solution is to what you just posted

Lol

"its funny how much attention the xbox gets and how much people attack them FAR FAR more than nintendo"

Lol I can't stop laughing. 😁😂😂
28514;

When did you speak to millions of Gamers to find this information out?

What does Nintendo's issues have to do with Microsoft? This topic is actually about Microsoft not Nintendo.

Never mind who is getting more criticism and worry about that the criticism exists at all....

[rainslacker]

Except, people say the WiiU's biggest problem, outside it's last gen specs, is that it had very few compelling games.

As far as Nintendo getting a free pass, it's probably because most people don't really count them as part of the console war for this generation. Same happened with the Wii, which handily won that generation sales wise.

[DragonDDark]

Wii u had no 3Rd party support

[kneon]

I think it's just that the Wii U was left for dead long ago, no use beating a dead horse.

[TheGamingArt]

This is a very odd way to blame nothing in order to justify your preferred brand.... Sounds like you voted for Trump

[freshslicepizza]

@Godmars290
"Talking about the Scorpio, which so far has no games to justify the hardware and will by all counts be limited, for a time at least, by the XB1's specs. Will only be turning out slightly better looking, higher frame rated, versions of previously released titles. Will also put MS's foot in the VR door when that's suppose to have already fizzled out."

let me search your comments to see the same buzz words used before the ps4 pro came out....

"As for the Wii U comparison, Nintendo and MS are on opposite ends of the issue. One having strong in-house IPs but little to no 3rd party support, while the other mainly relies on 3rd party support but can't cultivate in-house IPs."

but tell me which one gets far more attention on the forums as 'an issue'?

"The solution there is simple, go back to building for specific hardware, but then that could remove the sweet-sweet multiplat pie 3rd parties are always chasing after while proving more and more by bad, buggy, and outright broken ports, that they can't keep up with it. And of course the current (PC) gamer would flip their s**t about such. Nevermind that MS started that whole mess and as soon lose control."

your words are empty since most games bought in monthly reports stem from third party games. like i said, complete different set of standards never change among sony fans who seem all but consumed about what ms lacks while tending to ignore nintendo's shortcomings.

[Godmars290]

"let me search your comments to see the same buzz words used before the ps4 pro came out...."

Find anything yet? Pretty sure I've never been all that hot and/or drooling for the PS4 much less the Pro. Though likely when I get around to buying a PS4 it'll be a Pro.

"but tell me which one gets far more attention on the forums as 'an issue'?"

Given that 4/5 of the planet seeing a red cap with an "M" on it will instinctively think "Mario" while saying "Master Chef" around here will have some asking "Who?", likewise Project Spark, the 'issue" kind of speaks for itself. Similarly, with Titialfall devs laughing at the idea of their game on Switch and every other article about frame rates, it should be easy to see which way things are going.

"your words are empty since most games bought in monthly reports stem from third party games."

Pointless maybe given what I last said, but given example of AAA titles launching broken day-one for some platforms, I mean, didn't Warner just plain give up on the last Batman game for PC, but not entirely empty. The frame rate and sprite counters just don't want to hear it while complaining about the price of something they've pre-ordered.

"like i said, complete different set of standards never change among sony fans who seem all but consumed about what ms lacks while tending to ignore nintendo's shortcomings."

What?

No really: What?

Which fan boy am I? Sony? Nintendo? Anti-MS? Make up your mind.

Though I still haunt N4G, though I seem to be reviving of late, I bowed out pf the console wars with the PS3 and currently more into my PS2 backlog. True I've never liked MS because of their online/multiplayer focus, but I don't think I've ignored that Nintendo remains at least a gen behind. Also said that doesn't matter to the general consumer which MS tried to chase after and tanked the XB1's launch among it's user base for the trouble.

[_-EDMIX-_]

Buddy, who cares what gets more attention than something else on these boards???

Microsoft is not your family bud

we're not talking about your wife or something and it sounds awkward to even be bringing this up.

Who cares?

[seanpitt23]

This is a next gen system it's 5x times has powerful as the xone. But it doesn't mean much when there are no exclusives for it.

[freshslicepizza]

and what is your main platform that you play games on currently?

[seanpitt23]

I have a ps4 and ps4 pro.

[aconnellan]

@sean

why did you get the Pro though? I thought you didn't see a point in extra hardware when there are no exclusives tied to it?

[DragonDDark]

@acon
The Pro isn't a new console. It's an upgraded version of an existing console. (Which has tons of exclusives and great looking upcoming exclusives)

Same with the Scorpio. Problem is, the XB1 doesn't really have exclusives.(all of them are on pc). And if you don't count the pc platform, What's there to look forward to in the next couple of years for the XB1? That's the problem with Microsoft's console, there is really nothing BIG to look forward to.

[fathertime4464]

What exclusives do the ps4 pro have? Is it not 4x's more powerful that the basic model?

[AcidDvl]

PS4 and PS4 Pro are the same console mate, so they have the same exclusives.
(The names kinda give it away no? 'PS4' and 'PS4' Pro?)

The only difference is that the PRO runs at 4K TV's natively with bigger resolution.

Edit:

@aconnellan

The PS4 Pro isn't doing the same thing, because it has exclusives!!

I just defended that the PS4 Pro HAS exclusives since it's the same console mate.
Those two consoles belong to the same generation.
Playstation has exclusives this generation.

Xbox doesn't have enough exclusives to justify a purchase to a rational consumer who's not a fan of Xbox.
Even when the Scorpio comes out, there's literally no exclusives to be played.

[aconnellan]

@Acid

That's his point - everyone's chastising the Scorpio for not having any exclusives tied just to it, and yet somehow it's ok for the PS4 Pro to do exactly the same

[fathertime4464]

Scorpio is in the x1 family. My question to you is what is the point of upgrading from the 4 to the pro if there are no exclusives to justify the purchase of just a more powerful console

[Aenea]

I think you're missing Sean's point, the X1 has no exclusives since all games will be on Win10 as well hence he doesn't see a reason to get a more powerful version of a console that has no exclusives...

[ABizzel1]

@fathertime4464

PS4 Pro is only 2x as powerful as the basic model.

@aconnellan

I think most of them are saying the XBO and Scorpio in general don't have the exclusives they need, not that there aren't any pure exclusives on XB Scorpio, because the PS4 Pro would fit that same bill in that situation.

The Scorpio IMO is a new generation "IF" it uses a new CPU, The Scorpio being 4x - 5x more powerful than the original XBO alone screams new-gen, but considering the original XBO was 1.31 TFLOPS and ranging from 720p - 1080p, it was going to take more than 4x the power to get games up in native 4K. But a combination of a new superior CPU, with almost 5x the GPU performance, and 4GB more GB of RAM that's significantly faster as well. That's not an upgrade that's a new console masquerading as an upgrade.

The thing that helps is that they already have backwards compatibility done for the 360, so having a more powerful CPU with the same architecture means 360 games should be there soon if not at launch, and the same obviously goes for XBO games.

[AcidDvl]

The PS4 Pro is not to be seen as an upgrade, but rather an 4K alternative to the PS4.
It's meant for people who haven't buyed a PS4 yet and have a 4K TV
or
people who have a 4K TV and the basic model and don't mind trading up (But it's all up to you)

It was never meant to be a replacement that every PS4 user trade for the basic model.
It's the same system, it just runs natively with an higher resolution.

[freshslicepizza]

@seanpitt23
"I have a ps4 and ps4 pro."

then as far as your concerned the xbox scorpio will have exclusives. if you had a decent windows 10 pc anda ps4 that would be adifferent story but scorpio is obviously going after the console market much like the ps4 and switch is and all three have games exclusive from one another. on top of that the ps4 pro was meant to deter gamers from going to the pc.

[ClayRules2012]

Microsoft should have put more focus on their "Games" when they announced the Xbox One, and less focus on the media television entertainment side of things. The silly "Always Online" idea, along with the used games policies, only hurt them a great deal bwhen announced. They tried to fix that, by doing away with that idea, but the damage was already done. It doesn't help that the Xbox "Exclusives" will be releasing on PC as well. So, they aren't really "Exclusive" other than them not releasing on PS4.

At this point, the Xbox Scorpio is going to need to deliver heavily on the games front. That should be thir bigger focus. This is a "Gaming console" first & foremost. Don't make the same mistakes they did with Xbox One. First party studios are going to need the freedom to creative, Diverse, Fresh, and New iP's, to try and convince people Xbox Scorpio is the place to play for great and unique gaming experiences. Scalebound being cancelled doesn't help Xbox either. I honestly thought it looked really good & different. I genuinely feel bad that those gamers who were looking forward to it, won't get to play it.
As a PS4 owner, I genuinely do worry for my fellow gamers on Xbox's console. I just want you all to have awesome gaming experiences, just as much as me on PS4. I hope Microsoft has some surprises for you all at this years E3.

Much love to all:)

[freshslicepizza]

i tend to agree, microsoft should be talking about games more than scorpio. if its mostly about scorpio then that tells me they are not really interested in investing in games.

[Godmars290]

Seriously? In the above post you're chiding me for asking for games from MS yet here, at around the same time no less, you're agreeing with the sentiment?

[babadivad]

MS lost when they announced the Price and power. It was $100 more expensive than the PS4 and less powerful. It was over from there. If the X1 was cheaper than the PS4 or if it was more powerful [at the begining], this would be a different console generation. MS messed up big at the beginning with inferior hardware that was more expensive than the competition.

They were too smug this gen and Sony gave them some humble pie. That's the end of the story. This gen was lost for Microsoft before it even started.

[ClayRules2012]

Yes, the price didn't help them either. I agree with all your points. I remember during Sony's conference how Jack mentioned "Used" games, and how you can do whatever you'd like with your games. Add onto that, the "Always Online" etc.

Sony's humble pie was something to witness!

[SaveFerris]

With high specs and no games exclusive to the system because of the forced parity with Xbox One, Scorpio does seem like a big gamble by MS. If it fails, will MS release another console?

[aconnellan]

"Because of the forced parity with Xbox One"

Just like the Pro to the PS4, right? Or wait, is that somehow different?

[kneon]

There's no forced parity on either the PS4 Pro or Scorpio. The only difference is that xbox no longer has real exclusives as I can play them all on my PC if I wish to, and yes I do have a more than powerful enough PC as I just built a new one for VR development.

[kneon]

I think it will lead to the xbox hardware becoming even less relevant, they are diluting the xbox brand with this expansion into PC.

[JasonKCK]

Some people want it to be called next gen so they can cry foul when the comparisons start rolling out.

[MatrixxGT]

The fanboys here are so petty. As for me the Scorpio will sit nicely next to my Pro.

[generic-user-name]

Some people want it to be called current gen so they can cry victory when the comparisons start rolling out.

[JasonKCK]

That's because it is current gen like the PS4 Pro. Most people don't live in fantasy camp and wish for things to be called by another name due to tiny egos.

[JasonKCK]

Wrong spot

[JasonKCK]

'DX12 was supposed power up the xbox one enough to surpass the PS4'

Said no one ever. The voices in your head don't count.

[Silly gameAr]

The way MS and some fans are hyping it, they made it feel like it's a next gen release. No one is to blame for that but MS and MS fans. Just hope it's as powerful as people think when those comparisons do come out.

[JasonKCK]

MS fans hype it the same way Sony fans hype the PS4. Only thing different is PS4 will no longer have the power advantage.

[Silly gameAr]

I didn't see PS4 fans calling the Pro a "beast" or a "monster" when it was announced. Seemed like everyone knew it was going to be a beefed up PS4, because that's how it was marketed. It was treated like it was going to be a new PS4 model with a little extra power and nothing more. MS and hardcore MS fans are treating the Scorpio the complete opposite, like it's a new start, and some extra power is going to put MS on top.

[JasonKCK]

Silly gameAr Sony fans did it for years until the Scorpio was announced. Then there was the magical extra TF and RAM in The Pro Sony fans claimed made it more powerful.

[Silly gameAr]

@JasonKCK

Just like xbox fans and the cloud? And, lets not forget DX12 was supposed power up the xbox one enough to surpass the PS4. There was so much secret sauce that was supposed to come out that made the x1 a power house console, that I know I've forgot something.

[generic-user-name]

We'll see about that when MS quietly stop making games for X1 and start making Scorpio/PC-only games.

[JasonKCK]

See now you're resorting to crystal ball wishes. You are obviously one of those nervous about what's coming. $20 says you're guilty of calling it "next gen" and will be first in line crying foul.

[Lennoxb63]

Sony are also going to stop making games for the PS4 and make them for the PS4 Pro and PS5. So what's your point?

[generic-user-name]

@Lennox

Yeah Lennox sure thing, I mean they're still releasing games on PS3 because they have a history of continued support for their older home consoles but we'll ignore that to suit you. There will be no PS4Pro games that can't also be played on PS4 because that'd be silly, Pro isn't next gen. Of course you're right about the PS5 but I don't see how that's relevant but now that you bring up the PS5, that will be in the same generation as Scorpio.

PS4 + Pro and X1 + X1s = Current gen
Scorpio + PS5 = Next gen

The whole point of the Scorpio is for MS to try and wipe the X1 slate clean, they won't admit it's next gen because that would stop sales of the current X1's and it would also be an admission of defeat. But mark my words, Scorpio will pull away from the X1 and be it's own gen. It might not happen year 1 but it will happen.

[JasonKCK]

generic-user-name Thank you for proving my point

[generic-user-name]

"$20 says you're guilty of calling it "next gen" and will be first in line crying foul."

$20 says you're guilty of calling it "current gen" and will be first in line crying victory.

[JasonKCK]

Don't need to call it current gen when it already is, Did you bump your head on the way out of the womb?

[generic-user-name]

@Jason Thanks for proving my point.

[joab777]

It's an interesting question because the jump is HUGE! And what do they do next? Had it been a new console they would have put a lot of pressure on Sony! Hell, they have BC so they could have offered many games to ppl who made the jump!

Now, Sony will have the first move for next gen and they have a HUGE exclusive advantage!

I kinda understood the Pro because of VR, but the Scorpio is odd to me, especially considering the fact that I can play whatever I want in PC!

[MatrixxGT]

Good for you. Most console buyers don't give a damn about PC gaming.

[ShowanW]

@Joab...

Most PC gamers I believe around 85% have rigs equal to or barely better than the PS4. Which is barely stronger than Xbox One S.

When Scorpio comes out, it will considered a mod-range gaming PC, but will still be considered more powerful that 80% of peoplea gaming pc...

So Scorpio isnt odd, it just falls right in the mix with current gaming rigs

[maybelovehate]

It is a fully fledged next gen system

[Deadlead]

That'll only play current gen games

[maybelovehate]

Wrong.

[Deadlead]

How? It's being marketed as a mid gen upgrade-meaning no new games exclusive to Scorpio and everything new getting gimped to accommodate for the Xbone version. Maybe MS will go back on their word eventually but doing so now would alienate a lot of Xbone gamers.

[ninsigma]

Well it could be technically because to me it seems to me that MS are changing how they play the game and with their UWP platform every console they make from now on is likely to play all games whether backwards or forwards. They'll likely phase one out when it starts holding the platform back so they're kinda like graphics cards in that sense. I think that's the route their gonna take and the XBO probably won't be phased out until a Scorpio 2 release then Scorpio will become the base model.

[kneon]

That how I expect both xbox and playstation to go from now on, I said that's how it would end up even before the generation started as it's the obvious way forward now that they are essentially PCs with a few customizations.

[ninsigma]

I do hope ps follows that route too. The could still design new boxes for each iteration and even a new UI if they wanted but keeping the architecture the same just a makes a whole lot of sense. They can just up the specs with each new release.

[ElementX]

Scorpio will be the lower model of the next-gen.

[Mithan]

People argue about "next gen", it is redundant. In the future, they will probably get rid of generations entirely and keep the OS and full backwards compatibility and just release updates every 2 years, similar to phones/tablets, etc and people can choose to upgrade or skip a generation.

This is the consumer friendly smart option to take.

[ninsigma]

I think that's the case too.

[Stogz]

I really hope not, I feel it's way too soon for a new generation, aside from Nintendo who seems to be on their own time line right now.

[ninsigma]

Well the wii u was released 5 years ago as opposed to 3 years for the other 2. Though I do think the switch is a year earlier than their usual cycle. Regardless though, I personally consider the wii u, ps4/pro, switch and xbo/Scorpio all part of the same generation.

[3-4-5]

* Sony & Microsoft need to be thinking about their next consoles which IMO should be releasing in 2019/20.

There will be some great advancements in tech in that time and I think they've both been holding back a bit this gen in preparation for the next one.

[MetalNCarnet]

I honestly don't want new gen systems ever again. Just keep making this gen more and more powerful and let us keep building our libraries. If you don't have the latest system, whatever. you can still play all new games on the old system. It just won't look as good. Just have auto display settings in place for whatever model you have.

[_-EDMIX-_]

No.

At this point in the generation Microsoft focus is to continuously sell software to a massive install base.

I don't see any purpose behind pushing a new platform specifically with exclusive games because it doesn't really make any sense. The goal is to make money not lose it and at the start of every generation clearly they're going to lose some money.

Because they're not going to have a massive install base to sell specific platform to if they would basically be starting back to zero.

I see Zero business benefits to doing something like this. Microsoft's goal is to make more money than Sony not simply beat them in some pathetic Fanboy race.

If Microsoft cannot sell enough Xbox Ones to beat Sony what makes them think they're going to sell enough Scorpios doing the same damn method? Lol

So they have a platform that even more money with even less support? Lol

Um....OK.

I see the platform becoming even less relevant if they're just going to continue making games for PC.

Even if Scorpio has games that are not on Xbox One and they're only on Scorpio and PC , lots of the PC Gamers who chose to not purchase an Xbox this generation will just continue to do the same thing the next.

[objdadon]

Yup

[tmisellati]

scorpio will be a brand new console and most likely it will be pushed back to 2018 , so they can prepare some games for it.

[KyRo]

I think the Scoprio is going to be the next numbered Xbox. It seems a silly move to release a premium Xbox One console so late in this gens cycle by the time it arrives. When it does land i seeiously cant see it just being 'a xbox one with 4k'

[20live]

Yes

[dcbronco]

It's not a big enough leap over the previous generation. And making huge leaps doesn't make sense anymore. Things are moving to fast. No need to break the bank when there might not be another console afterwards.

[hiawa23]

6tFlops for a console is next gen as far as I am concerned.

[wutang4ever]

MS you dun fukd it up

[81BX]

Fail my dude.... you just failed

[corroios]

Of course its the start of the next gen. Its a 4k machine. You can call whatever You want, but this machine got next gen cpu and gpu.

Next gen gaming Isnt 8k... Its 4k.
It doesnt have any upgraded or overclocked parts from the Xbox One.

The scorpio will be Miles away from the One. Its a Jump from a 900p machine to 4k machine. Its a huge step.

There is Only One small problem what games and the price.

[Lennoxb63]

"Its a Jump from a 900p machine to 4k machine. Its a huge step."

So is 1080p to 4k. So is the PS4 Pro also next gen?

[corroios]

PS4 Pro is not a 4k native machine. Is something in the middle. A Upgrade, same ram that PS4 got, same Cpu with overclock and a new GPU, but it isnt a 4k native machine.

[Lennoxb63]

It runs games in 4k though. Just not all. The Scorpio may run more games in 4k, but it still won't run all of them at 4k either.

What's used to make the jump is irrelevant. Scorpio and Pro are still basically making the same jump in resolution. One just being more consistent.

[carmelo43]

it is there nextgen consle, where do people get that idea its not?

[Vasto]

We will find out at E3 2017!

[Cy]

No, too many people would have taken it as an admission that the Xbox One was a failure and it would be seen as a rushed console. Also, if it was a true next gen console (meaning no BC, no compatible accessories, etc) very few people would want to invest in it. As much as I hate the idea of consoles turning into PCs, this was the best way to get a more powerful console out there.

[ONESHOTV2]

No the pro needs some thing in the market to compete with power wise plus it wouldn't Be fair for sony to do it but ms couldn't. Another note i would like to see ps pro and scorpio exclusives becausI I want to see games. Advance and not stagnate on outdate hardware from a ps4 pro owner

[Master of Unlocking]

"Should The Xbox Scorpio Have Been A Full Fledged Next Generation System?"
-------------------------
It IS a fully-fledged next gen system!

[senorfartcushion]

It is...........

"Last console generation"- Spencer said that.

1. He called it a generation

2. He said it was their last meaning that you will be able to build on top of it, not buy any more consoles after.

So it IS.

[Silly gameAr]

"Last console generation"- Spencer said that.

For MS maybe. It might be their last console gen, but they can't speak for anyone else. We really need that Phil Says N4G section ASAP.

[senorfartcushion]

It means that this is going in that direction. Is something magically going to change that?

[rainslacker]

Well...I guess if Spencer said it, it must be true.

[senorfartcushion]

Kind of his job description over there, so...........yeaaaah?

[YEP414]

No that would've been a bad idea! Now that Xbox one ,Xbox one s play the same game the Scorpio is not for all gamers only hardcore.. So I wont a 600 dollar machine and no one would be left out cause its games out for all xbox one systems..smart move!

[n4rc]

doesnt matter anymore.. call it whatever you want.. lol

games will be made as they are today on PC.. only fixed hardware which makes life much easier... made with 4k assets and will scale down as low as it needs to for xb1 or they strip some intensive features if need be..

[Ulf]

In a sense, it is... except with 100% BC. What's the diff, really?

I don't see a problem with that.

[headblackman]

it's not a next gen console and it shouldn't be classified as one. ps4 pro wasn't classified as a nextgen console, so neither should the scorpio! so stop asking dumb questions that was never asked about ps4 pro.

[SH1ELD]

4.5 times of the original xbox one power is not a generational leap.

[Mega_Volnutt]

Nah, the Xbox Scorpio I just like P.S Pro but with native 4k gaming. The problem I have with 4k res is that I play on gaming monitor so naturally I'm close to it, but the problem is, I'm playing right now battlefield 1 upscaled almost to 3K on my gaming monitor and when I use the bike on 3rd person view, it always gives me vertigo and dizziness, gears of war 4 is even worse. So ironically, I have to lower the resolution in order to avoid nausea or vertigo Honestly I don't see myself playing videogames in 4K in a long time, unless they make an anti vertigo filter or something like that, so right now, the Scorpio is just for people who want to enjoy their big true 4K tv's to the fullest. The question is, are people willing to pay 500 for a console, just to play in 4K??

[Bjorn-c-blocker]

Sales, and demand for the ps4 pro have been average at best.. Year on year sales were actually down this year. All signs point to console gamers not caring about these half step wannabe 4k consoles.
I think the scopio will flop very hard.

[zb1ftw777]

They need to do it better than what Sony did with the ps4pro.

I don't know a single person who owns a ps4pro and i haven't even seen it in any shops here in the UK.

I haven't even a clue where to get one from.

[loadstone007]

It seemed to me when Microsoft revealed Scorpio, that they are making a mistake.
To me it seemed clearer that Sony are making half a step forward with the PS4 Pro, which would make developing games for a bit more reasonable in terms of fidelity differences between the two systems. But Microsoft is doing something more dangerous - the new system is supposedly much more powerful, essentially risking the original X1 customers.

It's easier to understand if you consider the iPhone. If I have the iPhone 6, and now there's the iPhone 7, the games should run fine on both phones. Sure, the 7 would be a tad snappier, but nothing major. But when you compare the iPhone 5 to 7, it's much more significant.

Perhaps I'm not understanding this correctly, so it'll be interesting to see how it plays out. I own a PS4 Pro and would totally consider getting the Scorpio if it proves itself and does not alienate the original X1 customers. I don't want to find myself in their shoes in the future.

[Psytrix]

Scorpio is a completely new console with backwards compatibility, no doubt about it. Xbox one is like a bad smell they desperately want to get rid of, but have to keep around to keep Xboners happy.

[Matology]

It is a new system, a fully fledged system. Have people not worked this out yet.

[CyrusLemont]

No because just hitting 4K by increasing the resolution on current gen games doesn't really equal next gen. Next gen is going to require a lot more power (16-20 T/Flops for 4k/30fps) as a base to earn that classification.

It's like going from FFXV graphics to Kingsglaive visuals.

If 4K didn't exist and Xbox Scorpio was a 1080p console then sure, you could consider it next gen because games would be tailored to a 6/Tflop baseline for 1080p. PC gamers would then be rocking 4K/60fps games with photorealistic visuals.

[Jamaicangmr]

I think it already is, this is Microsoft's way of slipping in a next gen console way ahead of Sony. In an attempt to regain the only advantage they really had in the PS3 v X360 gen.

[NextGenCeo]

Since first announced I'm telling same thing. Xbox not a console anymore. First of all gamers or just new beginners should understand that. Because you can play every single Xbox games on Windows 10 platforms or Windows 10 PC's.

Second yes it is totally New Generation game machine or if you still calling game console. Yes it's new generation system.
But don't get confused with PS4 Pro. Because PS4 Pro not new generation gaming console. Company say this, we saying this and hardware on PS4 Pro saying same thing to us.

PS4 Pro just the put more resolution to same PS4 games and looks smooth and polished on 4K TV's. That's all. Same amount basic hardware inside. 8GB memory, 8 Core same cpu with overclock and of course more powerful GPU.

PS5 will be next generation console with new AMD CPU and GPU's of course more and faster memory and other system specs. And Sony and Nintendo only 2 real game console on this market since Microsoft Windows Unified Platforms announced. Like it or not those are the truth.
(Esl guy here so sorry for English)

[subtenko]

Shows how much I been keeping up with them and/or how Xbox is trying to hype it up. I thought it was their next gen console. Am I the only one who thought this. Could this be the xbox version of the WiiU (where people were confused?)

Also was anyone confused about ps4 pro being a next gen console (but its not?) I figure there was no confusion as everyone expects the next one to be called PS5 x) "yep its sony, they go by increments'

[FPS_D3TH]

Here's betting these will be next gen compatitable. Potentially even the psPro can be to too but whenever they do officially release next gen consoles I'm betting these will be compatible. At least for the first couple of years. I still doubt we're going to see new consoles for a long time after these. Hardware jumps vs development time vs game budgets are already being pushed to their peaks.

[FyBy]

Technically yes but that would be suicide for ms marketing.