Titanfall 2 Designer: Switch Is So Underpowered Third Party Support Will Be No Different Than Wii U

Titanfall 2 designer Mohammad Alavi said that the Switch won't have much third party support due to it being underpowered, like the Wii U.

He also said that Titanfall 2 couldn't possibly be ported to the Switch.

[odderz]

Third party support will almost definitely be better than Wii U - after all, this system is actually going to sell! Though, yeah, big AAAs like Titanfall 2 probably won't make the transition.

[Festano]

Too early to say if it's going to sell significantly more than Wii U. But yeah, if only they made it almost as powerful as PlayStation 4 it'd be a lot easier for developers....

[DARKKENT]

Just like Wii u sold in the beginning

Switch is going to flop I take no pleasure in stating this but there are too much wrongs with this system and its interface

[bouzebbal]

for once i lean to the guy's claims. i do not see switch succeed.
EA only releasing FIFA, and we need to see how the quality of it stacks up against the PS4/x1, and that's a major publisher out of the equation already.
Ubisoft only making Rayman Legends and Steep ports, no equivalent to ZombiU or some special exclusive.
Wii U had Lego City: Undercover which really shows what gamepad can do. Switch has nothing like this day one..

Switch has a paid online service, Wii U didn't.
Switch matchmaking on the phone, Wii U on the TV/gamepad.
Switch has new and overpriced accessories, Wii U didn't. it was compatible with all Wii accessories.
Switch has Zelda, so does Wii U.
Wii U obviously had better assets than Switch.

EDIT: Wii U was revealed at e3 and got lot of attention. Switch was revealed at a random date.
Wii U was revealed with COD, Batman: Armored Edition, Darksiders 2,

[Sirk7x]

If Nintendo sticks with one device going forward, I don't think there will be any shortage of games. The 3DS has a fantastic library, and if the Switch begins to sell, there will be tons of handheld level games being made, as well as Nintendo internal developers not having to split resources between two platforms. Do I expect PS4 and Xbox multiplats? Absolutely not, but I also know that by the end of the Switch's lifetime, it will have amassed a great library of games to play.

[EddieNX]

They opted for portability instead of home console performance. Now if they made a full home console that was weak then yes, that would be awful and lame. But tbf to the Switch it is a very powerful portable so it has that goi ng for it and that's what is exciting me.

If that doesn't interest you then fair enough, the ps4 and xb1 are great consoles. But let's not compare them to whast is essentially a handheld and then bash it for not achieving near enough impossible levels of mobile performance.nif the switch was £500 and matched the XB1 would you be happy? As it stands its about half as powerful which is fine

@utalkin2me. All their consoles from the Gamecube backwards were cutting edge.

The Switch is powerful for a handheld buddy. This is the rational side of me not the fanboy, I have an XB1 and I paid £220 for it, I'm going to pay £280 for a Switch, is that cus I'm a fkkking idiot or is it because the Switch is totaly different to xb1? It's a powerful handheld/hybrid XB1 is a weak home console, that's how it is.

Nintendo haters just keep comparing it to home consoles because theyre sad, irrational and have nothing better to do.

[Utalkin2me]

@EddieNX

Nintendo always make weak consoles. Have some handful of great 1st party games. But they never push tech and never have. The keep living in the world of gimmicks with weak consoles. And switch is no different. You can try to claim portable in your defense. But that doesn't change the fact games will be compared across all systems and switch will be the weakest of them all.

And while you try to claim "portable" it's a dedicated game system thats average in performance even for portable standards.

@EddieNX again

I could use the switch in its lifetime and it could never leave the dock, making it a home console. You keep harping about this portability. That doesnt change the fact is it's not very powerful.

So cause people have judgement on the Switch they are Haters now, i see.....

[darthv72]

Damn these young hipster developers (i say that sarcastically). I remember the days when a systems limitations were seen as a challenge worth taking. A game like Dracula X on the PC Engine and then Street Fighter 2 on the PC Engine or Ranger X on the Genesis and Donkey Kong country on the SNES.

developers found creative ways around limitations back then unlike in todays world. Not optimizing like they should. I bet if these guys gave the switch an actual try they could do some amazing things. If Nintendo can do amazing things with their hardware (generally speaking) then no reason others can't.

[badz149]

@Eddie

you mocked the Xbone for being a "weak" console yet you are willingly going to spend £60 more for the Switch that is way weaker but for you is a "powerful" hybrid?

seriously you Nintendo fanboys are delusional on a whole another level! the Switch is now awesome because as a handheld, it has power? pfftt...if power is what you seek in a handheld, why didn't you guys flock to the PSP or Vita and buy them in droves? HELL NO, right? they just provide dumbed down version of console games on the go, according to lots of you while the DS, 3DS offers unique games with simplicity and innovation in gameplay which is more important than graphics, right? the batteries are also not very good because they can't be played for over 8H, right? they are also bulky and not pocket-friendly - so much for a handheld, yeah?

now, the freakin Switch is literally ALL OF THOSE and you guys are now defending it like sheep! I'm glad that you are enjoying the crows served to you with pride but this words of your has to take the cake for being duhh of the day...

"Nintendo haters just keep comparing it to home consoles because theyre sad, irrational and have nothing better to do."

Nintendo is the one marketing it as a home console and you guys are flipping out when people call it a handheld with a dock!

[ZeroX9876]

@EddieNX

"Nintendo: Switch is a home gaming system ‘first and foremost"

It's a home system, coming directly from them, there's no questioning the creators themselves. I'll take what they say over anyone else in here. So now, for a home console, is it under powered?

[patchzon]

I stopped buying nintendo consoles after the n64,because their hardware were always 10 times behind the competition technically.I just think their consoles are built for a younger audience.I remember how long it took them just to put a back light to the gameboy screen.You can literally play ps4 quality games on a system like a ps vita,that is almost 5 years old,and know you are going to pay 300 dollars and plus for a so called hybrid console that can't even match what was made years before,i mean really?!!

[gamer7804]

I wish they made it more powerful even if they had to make it 350 or 399. they really should give it proper social features on the console itself . I really want to see Nintendo succeed, but I don't know how at this point.

[Neonridr]

yeah and cost something ridiculous.

[_-EDMIX-_]

@eddie- I don't disagree with you that they currently opted for portability the biggest issue I have is why they marketing this as a Home console when it is very clear it is simply a portable with the ability to play on the television as an option?

That is technically no different than the PSP 2000 3000 and go series. Mind you they also had a dock that did the exact same thing.

They need to fix their marketing and they need to start marketing this towards their handheld and portable market and it needs to stop calling it a Home console because what they're basically doing is telling their consumer base but this should be compared to PlayStation 4 and Xbox One and I believe that is a terrible thing to do when your last console failed significantly.

Nintendo's marketing with this platform is all over the place so it is not surprising that people are already predicting failure.

Once again I don't disagree with you Eddie this definitely is a portable, but it sounds like somebody needs to tell Nintendo that because their marketing is confusing their own consumer base.

Nintendo was actually yet to reassure their fans that they intend to only work on a single device........

So how do you know that they are fans holding out specifically for another handheld with the belief that this is simply their Home console?

It's not only bad marketing it's bad design

[The_Sage]

They call that wishful thinking, odderz. Keep the faith, no matter what they say.

[Drizzy]

Let it flop maybe Nintendo will learn there lesson

[ZeroX9876]

Most third party games running on other consoles will either not make it to the Switch or get "modified" ports or a totally new version, since Nintendo made it so with the choice of hardware performance they went with. The Wii U had some 3rd party games that were on the other consoles too, but many of those ports were heavily reworked to run on the Wii U.

The same will probably happen to the Switch.

[jmc8888]

The problem is, they will ONLY do that if it sells like gangbusters like Wii, because that is the only reason Wii got those ports.

However without some craze to get people to buy Switch like Wii, they won't get that support.

There is no craze in mobile gaming or rumble hd. People have phones and have seen mobile gaming since Gameboy in 1989. Rumble hd is well, just adding a bit more function on top of something everyone already did. It's not going to bring the craze back to life.

[QUIMICOMORTAL]

then it only come AFTER the switch actually sells!

[jmc8888]

Ubisoft had SIX launch titles for Wii U, and three more within four months.
EA/WarnerBros/Activision had about 12 more titles at launch for Wii U.
You had Sega/Namco-Bandai/THQ/Disney etc ALL at launch.

You had a from the ground up made for Wii U Call of Duty Blops 2, which had amazing use with the gamepad.

A brand new Assassin's Creed.

Madden, FIFA, Transformers, etc

Zombi U from the ground up, also a showcase for the gamepad. In fact overall some of the most compelling uses for the gamepad came from 3rd parties AT LAUNCH.

6-12 month old ports of Mass Effect 3, Batman Arkham City, Darksiders 2, etc, etc.

Ubisoft and others dropped all of that. Instead you get Just Dance (also on Wii U at launch) and Steep. (despite the fact that For Honor, Ghost Recon:Wildlands, and South Park all launch in feb/march on other systems). EA has Mass Effect Andromeda coming out in march, nope.

In fact 3rd party at launch of Wii U drastically dwarfs Switch entire launch lineup (and that for a few months as least)

But somehow people have forgotten that because then Switch looks REALLY bad.

Right now there were far more games on Wii U projected to be launched in the first year then Switch. We're 6 weeks out, so that isn't changing.

...and no they didn't hold back for E3. They were desperate to show ANYTHING at the Switch Presentation. That's why they dedicated so much time to motion controls, so much time to teasing about Zelda, had people go up not to show gameplay... but a cutscene. Followed by people that couldn't even show a cutscene, so they showed a Title screen. Followed by people who didn't even have a title screen, so they came up and merely said they were going to be making a game on Switch. They had to show Skyrim, a 5 1/2 year old game, which will be 6 years old by the time it launches. Who shows what will be a 6 year old game at launch of a new console?

If they actually had plenty of games, the Switch presentation would never have done those awkward things. They did, because they didn't have anything else.

I don't know why anyone thinks Switch is going to sell well. It's higher priced then the competition. The competition gets all the games people want. It has a huge library. They come with a controller and a hard drive, meanwhile Switch you have to buy those, which drastically raises the price of Switch to beyond PS4 Pro price. There are so many overpriced accessories it's insane.

Casual people aren't going to pay twice the price of a PS4 to play Switch how it's intended and all the accessories and still need to buy a game... of which there are scant. In a world where smartphone gaming is real, no extra cost, and games are cheap/free. I don't even care to game that much on a smartphone, I'd rather be reading/watching stuff online. But when I want to game at all publicly, it's not going to be on a dedicated device I have to lug around.

Paying for Nintendo online will drive people away, just like it did for Sony and MS. But they already took that hit, Nintendo hasn't yet. Meanwhile having to use an app on your smartphone for chat, and likely for matchmaking as well is just insane. People can't figure out the gamepad? That's far less confusing then having a console that can't play console games, but is more expensive, doesn't come with a controller or hard drive, and you need an app to chat and play online. That's FAR FAR more confusing.

The big Switch game is also on Wii U, and if you put that in CEMU, that's likely the only way you can play it well on any system.

[Veneno]

The only big 3rd party support Nintendo can get is the garbage shovelware it got with the wii. Or gimp ed games from Capcom like dead rising shop til you drop and a 10 year old port of sf2

[Cartman55125]

After Nintendo's recent conference where they detailed the system and revealed the price point of the Switch, Nintendo's stock dropped by 6%. Investors are not confident it's going to sell...

[masterfox]

"Third party support will almost definitely be better than Wii U"<---So much denial, but ok is your loss after all. ;)

[DrRobotnik]

...No.

[Gr8saiyaman88]

See all those downvotes? Remember this place is anti-Nintendo ; )

[Whatever234]

How do you know this?//??????

[rainslacker]

I wouldn't really take one devs word on this matter. Power isn't the only thing that gets publishers supporting a system. Much more to it than that. Power wasn't WiiU's problem. It was an issue for Wii, but it was significantly underpowered compared to the competition. WiiU is compared to this gen, but switch is kind of marginal, and there is no reason that games couldn't be adapted to the system.

Maybe not the most advanced games graphically that'll come out going forward, but quite a few of them should be playable on Switch.

[Quackers]

Almost definitely? How can something be almost definitely. Definitely is a definitive statement, almost is unnecessary

[ccgr]

Perhaps, time will tell

[G20WLY]

Time already did tell. That's the issue here.

[Phunkydiabetic1]

TWICE.

[Nu]

Nintendo will survive reguardless

[andibandit]

@Nu

But we want Nintendo to flourish

[DrRobotnik]

After that "need a cell phone app to connect with other players" . I think it's DOA.

[Old McGroin]

Thought the phone app for matchmaking was fake news, is that actually real??

[BizarroUltraman]

Idk bout that. It already looks to have way more than Wii U.

[badz149]

way more?? of what? 3rd party support? oh...is that why it launch with only 4 games? and is that why even Ubisoft is reluctant to make any exclusive for it like they did with Wii and Wii U? just bunch of old ports!

[CaptainNewman]

So did the 3DS. It didn't have much to offer when it launched. Either did the N64. That had three games. Two, if you count the American release. And we know how that story ended.

[TheLEGENDofTydo]

@CaptainNewman

The DS and all its version are kept alive by Pokemon and that is really all.

[PaulKersey]

"Way more" = PS3 ports of Skyrim and FIFA.

[3-4-5]

* 3DS devs are making games for Switch. 3DS has a lot of 3rd party support = Switch will have 3rd party support.

Titanfall 2 devs shouldn't be talking much crap either.

It's not like Titanfall is flawless.

[OtakuDJK1NG-Rory]

Yet the Japanese Support already beats Wii U in one year.

[Liqu1d]

And western support?

@wonderfulmonkeyman So Bethesda is releasing a last gen game on the Switch, what about their current gen games like Fallout, DOOM, Dishonored 2 etc?

[wonderfulmonkeyman]

Bethesda is there when they weren't for the Wii U, which is as good an indicator as any that it has better capability than Wii U.
This dev's just the salt of the earth, to be saying such bs.

[RpgSama]

@Wonderfulmonkeyman

According to what it's being told on the street Skyrim is a port of the original 2011 release and not the remastered version, so, if that is an indicator of something, is that the Switch can't even handle a remastered version of a last generation 6 year old game, but it can support the original 6 year old game, do with that what you will.

[DankSinatra]

@RpgSama going by what the trailer that was shown, that is most definitely not a port of the original, there's even comparison videos between the switch and the original PC version and the switch has all of the special editions graphical effects.

[Rai]

@wonderfulmonkeyman

I think it's more like they're testing than supporting. They're porting a game they released years ago and it's not the HD version and it's not even on launch. The Wii-u had more than the switch on launch.

[G20WLY]

^StevieWonder, it's a SIX year old game. Even if it sells well, don't go expecting The next Elder Scrolls game or Fallout 5 on the Switch. If it can't handle Titanfall 2, Red Dead Redemption and Mass Effect Andromeda, it won't handle a cutting edge AAA game. It just won't.

Nintendo have dropped the ball here. All the had to do was match PS4, or even just under, and they would have been fine for years. The only thing then that would hold devs/pubs bacl would be the fact that 3rd party games just don't seem to sell on Nintendos.

[Nitrowolf2]

@monkey

reason that Bethesda is even there this time around is because Nintendo ask them unlike last generation it's even stated in an interview that they were never approached by Nintendo, and if they were it would have been too late.

Also Skyrim is a PS3 game and Xbox 360 it would be an embarrassment if it couldn't run it not exactly the best game just showcase the power of the console.

Why not a fallout 4 port instead?

[Uken12]

@RpgSama It is the Skyrim remaster. There is proof already. So yeah...

@StonieWylder
You get down votes for telling the truth lol. Skyrim IS remastered on the Switch. They compared it to PC, which is NOT weaker than PS4 or XB1.

[RpgSama]

@Everybody

We will see when it comes out, it's not going to be long, yesterday I was watching Kinda Funny Games "Colin was right" and he explicitly says that it's the original game, just because it's the GOTY edition doesn't mean it's the remastered, maybe an upscaled version of the original.

[cleft5]

Personally, I dont care about the western support. I have a Ps4 and PC for that.

[badz149]

Bethesda yeay! NOT

what is there to celebrate when all it gets is a 6 years old game! not even the new game they released last year, FO4! and Bethesda, really? they are the last dev you want to be on board if your hardware is weak as it is! even on PS4 - most powerful console this gen, they screwed up! and Skyrim Definitive Edition capped to 30fps? even on the Pro? you sure Bethesda is worth cheering for?

[_-EDMIX-_]

@wonder- who cares? Bethesda releasing an old game like Skyrim on the switch which isn't even the Special Edition with mods is extremely questionable.

No Fallout 4 no Doom no Dishonored 2 etc.

So I agree with you that is better than the Wii U but what does that have to do with selling the switch?

That is like saying AIDS is better than cancer because it's manageable with medications ......So? I'm sorry but you need to understand that people are not simply going to buy this simply because it's better than the Wii U you're making a comparison to one of the worst selling consoles in gaming history.

Ouya is better then Wii u..... doesn't mean it's going to beat PlayStation 4 or Xbox One or sell tremendous amounts of units

@rpg- agreed

https://youtu.be/LenzNAyRnW...

Pretty much completely sums up how I feel about this entire reveal

[Herbalistic]

The Switch won't be the machine for huge western 3rd party support.I believe Nintendo should be building consoles with all developers in mind and not just themselves.Sony gets it right on how they offer enough hardware capability for first party/western/Japanese/indie developers.

[mcstorm]

What about the PSV? that got little support from both. Sony get things wrong to you know.

[Kokyu]

We are talking about consoles and you bring up a handheld everyone agrees was and is a failure. Stop trying to distract from the fact that Nintendo is already in trouble with the core market. Nintendo doesnt need to market to their fanboys, you are going to buy whatever they produce, they need to expand passed their fanboys and the Switch isnt going to do that. At 300$ the Switch is a poor value against what other systems can do at the same price.

[G20WLY]

We're talking about 3 generations in a row here...

[mcstorm]

What console can do the same as the switch at the same price?

The xbox one and PS4 are more or less the same the Switch is something different.

Also to say Nintendo is in trouble with the core market is wrong. Nintendo could be in trouble with the none core market as the core market is a very small number of people and if you look at the best selling games each year you will see this.

[Utalkin2me]

"Sony get things wrong to you know."

The irony in this....roflmao

[mcstorm]

@NiteX I'm sorry but you cant say remote play is the same thing. I get why people are saying they don't like the switch its not for everyone just like the xbox one and ps4 and any other console out there. But people who are saying they want Nintendo to make a console just like the ps4 or xbox one really don't get Nintendo. Nintendo have never followed anyone and always done things their own way look at each console they have had on the market.

[mcstorm]

@ricosuave I get what your saying but take out the switch being a dedicated home console to being a hybrid that can be played both home and way from the home then they delivered on that in terms of having power.

I know its not as powerful as the other two and that gets to people but it is what it is. I'm not saying the Switch will a success or a flop its up to customers to buy or not buy the console.

For me I like what Nintendo have done they have not gone down the way of me to but also delivered a console for both core gaming and family gaming.

The next 18 months will be where we see if its a success or not. If it sells 3DS numbers then for me that will be a hit for Nintendo.

[FallenAngel1984]

Western publishers are right to be skeptical of NS

[zeal0us]

Finally someone who has the balls to not sugarcoat this system. They are still behind when it comes to power, storage and online service. Your cellphone will be stronger in than this thing in one or two years. 2tb sd cards aren't cheap. Why can't the system itself do matchmaking? At the end of the day Nintendo build a system that good for them and cater to casual audience.

[Kokyu]

It isnt even cater to the casual market its targeted at children period and Japanese culture where you have trains and bus as your main mode of transport. In the US the only people who could use this on the go are kids and teenagers.

[DarkZane]

Casuals would rather buy an actual tablet like an ipad or an android tablet.

[Uken12]

@ Kokyu You must not live in a Metropolitan area lol. I can find many ways to use it as I live in NYC. I can play it at work, I can play it with strangers in the park, I can play it on the Subway, in a Cab if I wanted. So yeah, your statement is wrong.
The true casual audience....... people who play COD and Madden. Who don't try or even care about creative games such as The Last Guardian, Gravity Rush 2, Dark Souls, Bloodborne, Persona 5 and more.

[OzzY-waZZy]

@Uken

"I can play it with strangers in the park"

Can you also play it on a rooftop party??

[corroios]

Can someone tell the specs of the machine????????? Cpu , gpu and ram

[Wallstreet37]

You won't ever know the true specs bcus Nintendo hides them every gen. Even after release of Wiiu they denied ppl the specs. They do this as not to hurt sales if ppl find out and its advertised as weaker than the fout year old competition. It seems like a glorified Wiu.We won't know GPU until tear downs from Digital Foundry.

What we do know Is that it isnt a big jump from Wiiu and seems weaker than Xbox one. Zelda is only 900p 30 fps docked and when Digital Foundry played Mario Odyssey and Splatoon it was 720p but I don't doubt it will hit 900p docked too.

[Kokyu]

The specs will be known as people will take one apart and we will know.

[Wallstreet37]

Tear downs will come soon enough then fanatics will say the tear downs are wrong bcus they are using a customized chip lol Its all PR bs all systems used customized chips but they vary little from the original version of the chips they just tweak them a little system by system.

[Wallstreet37]

What dont you understand about my comment? I dont understand your response, you question what i wrote then your whole comment agrees with it lol. "They hold back on releasing console specs" and your comment affirmed this so why the question mark? Nintendo till this day never gave the info ppl requested in regards to the GPU of Wiiu. They hid those specs and will do the same now. That isn't just me talking, its facts. Your comment just agreed with what I was saying. We know Wiiu was marginally stronger than an Xbox 360 GPU wise with a weaker CPU only because we got tear downs. Simple and a fact!.

I don't know what your going on about with snes, GameCube, etc for each of those systems specs weren't held back from public. Back then everything was about amount of polygons rendered, color palettes, etc and we always went in knowing what sega, TurboGrafx and Nintendo offered. Even audio aspects of it.

Knowing just about ram and os features isn't baseline, its nothing. They hide GPU and CPU specs for a reason.

[yeahokwhatever]

https://www.newegg.com/Prod...

+ or - some things.

[masso9112]

Is it really that underpowered? Games like the new mario look like an xbox one game at 900p. But we won't know untill someone tears it appart to see what's inside xD

[Fishy Fingers]

Realistically, probably to some extent. The game runs on a modified source engine. My toaster could probably run source (dramatic) but 'running' a game and providing a user experience up to the developers expectations/demands are different things.

[jmc8888]

Things can be drastically different. Remember Batman Arkham Knight was on Unreal 3 engine.

[ninsigma]

The benefit mario has is the cartoony designs. The test would be games that have more realistic graphics that are also on ps4 and xbo and compare them.

[masso9112]

That's kind of true, we have yet to see that kind of game on Switch, guess we just have to wait and see.

[jmc8888]

No that new Mario looks no where near an Xbox One game.

That city level looks like something out of PS2.

Also the levels aren't big. People have already shown that they are very small level size wise.

[OzzY-waZZy]

To be fair, that Mario "New Donk City" levels looks pretty damn bad. PS2ish. The other levels look nice but again, different art style.

[RAM0N]

I agree with the Titanfall designer.

[Fishy Fingers]

That's a shame. But the hardware is vastly different and if these games haven't tempted you to buy a PS/XB yet, why would a port make you run out to buy a Switch anyway?

[wonderfulmonkeyman]

That's not even remotely true.
Titanfall isn't anywhere near as complicated as Mass Effect Andromeda, and EA themselves said the only thing stopping that is sales and demand, and that a port down the line is possible.
Something they would not have said if the hardware was as incapable as the Wii U.
If it can handle Andromeda, it could handle Titan-Fail.

[SublimeStylee2]

Except that it can't handle andromeda and it will never be on the switch. Lol but good luck with that.

[wonderfulmonkeyman]

Except that that's not what EA said about a Switch port of Andromeda at all.
Hell, if you need better proof of it, then take Bethesda's statement about it into consideration:

First, Hines was apprehensive about Bethesda supporting the system, saying that it needed to be technically adequate.
He reaffirmed that statement later on, saying that Bethesda hasn’t developed for Nintendo systems in such a long time was because the systems were too weak.
Finally, he confirmed that if the Switch was at least as powerful as the Xbox One, Bethesda would definitely go through with developing for it.

And guess what's now on Switch?
Skyrim.
So yeah. It's at basically the same level as the XB1, meaning it technically can handle Titanfall.
If it weren't, Bethesda wouldn't have been on the system at all.

This dev is a putz. But yeah, rofl, keep acting like a console warrior that takes joy in seeing negative news about a rival console. You're oh so very mature for doing so./s

[G20WLY]

^Monkey, Skyrim is not an X1/PS4 game it's a PS3/X360 game lol

It's good, yes, but it's old af and no indication Switch is therefore as powerful as even an Xbox One. What about PS4 Pro? What about the Scorpio late this year? It's too underpowered to run current AAA third party games. This is not me attacking Switch - I wanted a new Nintendo to work out, but it's not looking great right now for anything more than something to keep the kiddies quiet.

[Uken12]

@G20WLY

Dude, read his comment. You obviously didn't take into consideration the part where he says "take Bethesda's statement about it into consideration:"

It says they would go through with developing for it if it was at least as powerful as XB1. Nobody said Skyrim was an XB1 game.

[gbsrnctaln]

Lollllll never give up monkeyman!!! Just keep rolling down that river in Egypt!!!

[SublimeStylee2]

Monkeyman i have a question. Have you never heard of smoke and mirrors? Because that's what you are believing!! Only time will set you straight.

[Nitrowolf2]

You know that Skyrim released six years ago as part of last generation systems right?

It would be a huge embarrassment if it didn't run on the console and there's reports that it's the same port of the PS3 Xbox 360 version.

Bethesda has stated in the interview why they haven't developer Nintendo is because Nintendo didn't approach them last gen and by the time that they would have it would have been too late.

Don't try to make Skyrim has some graphical Powerhouse title either, the game is extremely unutilized and like we said it's a six-year-old game it would be an embarrassment if Nintendo couldnt get it running.

A better demonstration of power would be if it could get Fallout 4 to run.

You're gloating about something that ran on the Xbox 360 just fine

Also what statement are you speaking of about ME:A on switch? Because the only ones ive seen are it has no plans whatsoever to support the switch with that title http://www.digitaltrends.co... and concerning sales is about whether or not they will continue support. There were rumors EA would support it back in december with games, but they confirmed this month it wont be with mass effect

@below

Yes, yes, keep telling yourself you know more than professional developers.

[wonderfulmonkeyman]

Yes yes, keep ignoring the key of that conversation; that being that the Switch HAD to be on the level of the XB1 at least before Bethesda would make anything for it.
Skyrim being the lead-off doesn't mean they lowered their entry bar. If they didn't do so for Wii U, they wouldn't do it for Switch.

[Protagonist]

Titanfall-2 designer says switch is underpowered, wonderfulmonkeyman (delusional nintendo fanboy) says it could handle Titanfall.

Hmmm who to believe?

[LOL_WUT]

I'll take the developers word over anyone here ;)

[Wallstreet37]

Fleece...

That means nothing lol We got COD on Wii as did the other systems but we all know Wii COD was far from the COD found on the competition lol.

[yomfweeee]

Are you going based on this quote "Yeah, not right now, no. We’re not planning on it. If the Switch launches and everyone’s just yammering for Mass Effect, who knows. We never want to close doors like that."

Because that certainly doesn't say it is doable. It says they don't know.

Oh and your Bethesda comparison isn't a very good one. Just because Bethesda was wrong, doesn't mean EA is wrong about this. Pete Hines is known for sticking his foot in his mouth. PS4 would have mods, then it wouldn't, then it would again.

[jmc8888]

But it wouldn't be the full experience. That's the point. At best, which the Switch will never get to because it doesn't have anything to sell like the Wii... it would get the same type of gimped ports.

So in order to get gimped ports like the Wii, it has to sell like the Wii.

Switch ain't selling like the Wii.

(and by gimped, I'm not saying lower resolution, textures, framerate). I'm saying they have to gimp the game design. Take out levels, certain sections, certain gameplay elements. Stuff like that.

It would be possible to create a different experience entirely from the ground up that also takes place in 'Andromeda' and have a tangential storyline, but again Switch would have to sell like Wii.

[deafdani]

Denial. Pure denial.

Im far from a Nintendo hater, and damn, I don't want the Switch to fail (I preordered it). But there's virtually zero indication that the Switch is considerably more powerful than the Wii U and approaching Xbox One levels of power. Zero.

And no, bullshit PR talk doesn't count. I don't care what some EA or Bethesda guys said, words mean nothing to me. Games do.

And the games that have been shown on the Switch so far, are all games that would've run perfectly fine on the Wii U with little graphical compromise.

Based on this FACT (not empty words from people working in a industry that's full of BS), it's reasonable to assume that the Switch is, at most, slightly more powerful than the Wii U.

And that's perfectly fine by me. The Switch is a tablet, after all. To expect it to have enough power to run high profile AAA games like Witcher 3, Mass Effect Andromeda, Red Dead Redemption 2, etc, is unrealistic as hell.

[Ferrarius]

Nintendo is far behind in every single aspect, but they don't have to be it drives me crazy! They need someone at the top with a checklist that covers the basics which Xbox & PS have.

- A modern powerful, easy to develop architecture that can compete for the foreseeable future
- An online infrastructure that at least allows users to freely chat, join lobby up, friend each other easily to game
- The basic media features of the time meaning support for Netflix, YouTube,etc

After this they can add their Nintendo flair, but why is this so hard? .

[senorfartcushion]

The latter two points, yeah.

But can no one comprehend the fact that it is a handheld? Not even the Titanfall devs?

[Ferrarius]

They advertise it and continue to state it is their next home console. Although yes I agree with you that it is a handheld first, but Nintendo wants to say otherwise so I'll treat it like the other 2.

[Nyxus]

It's not a handheld, it's a home console that you can take with you.

[Fishy Fingers]

Its absolutely a handheld first and foremost. Regardless of the Dock, aka, a big HDMI out port + stand. Its built on mobile components and powered by a battery.

I assume their brandishing of 'Home console' is to ensure people see it as a successor to the Wii U not the DS as that's still successful for Nintendo and not going anywhere yet. They'd like you to own both.

[objdadon]

Oh my goodness lol. Nintendo fanboys keep calling it a handheld to deflect the weakness of it being a console. Nintendo themselves keep telling us that it is their 9th gen console that can also be taken on the go.

[OzzY-waZZy]

@SenorFart

Make sure to tell Nintendo that. I don't think they got the memo. They keep prioritizing and repeating "home console." But I'm sure you know better.

[senorfartcushion]

They are going about it all wrong but the system they designed isn't what they're advertising. It is a handheld that you dock.

It is both a100% home console and 100% handheld at the same time.

[senorfartcushion]

Shouldn't be a problem if it is advertised as a DS successor.

[SirBradders]

Costs over twice as much as a DS, no cross play and no shared games. That is the problem.

[G20WLY]

It isn't being though. Nintendo are marketing this as the replacement for their dead Wii U that you can now take on the go.

It's a home console first <----Not my words...Nintendo's.

[Shipp81]

Have fun turning into a software company Nintendo...cant wait to play Mario on my Ps4!

[PaulKersey]

It will probably happen after Switch crashes and burns.

[Vasto]

The problem is nobody really knows what this thing is.

Is it a home console or a handheld? It looks to be a handheld that can be used as a home console.

They should have made a home console that can be used as a handheld.

[Darkwatchman]

It's a home console that can be used as a handheld. During the switch livestream, Nintendo explicitly stated that the switch was designed as a home console first so I don't understand why people are debating this. The truth about what it is first and foremost is already out there

[Stapleface]

It's because no matter what someone tells you water is wet, shit stinks, etc. If they told you you didn't need air to breathe would you go by that and go "Well Nintendo said so..."

[KaiPow]

I come to Nintendo platforms for the unique experiences, not the same AAA I could be playing on the PS4.

[objdadon]

That makes absolutely no sense at all. Nintendo diehards act as if though AAA 3rd party games on a Nintendo console will hurt it lol. And they will be the same wondering why it flopped, because only the diehards bought it.

[Ferrarius]

I remember a beautiful time in Nintendo history when I could have both. I'm super hyped for the fact that I can play NBA 2k18 this fall on the switch.

[Derceto]

Yep, that about wraps it up. This guy just tells it like it is, instead of sugar coating some smoke-screen support like 3rd party publishers are.

Ubisoft, EA, Bethesda, throwing their trash at it, to look like support, as they sit back to watch if it fails before they invest anything noteworthy. Garbage last gen FIFA port, Just Dance (LOL), Rayman, Steep (likely to try desperately to make any profit it can) and a 5 year old Skyrim. Yep, the confidence is high.

Yes, it will fail, and yes, 3rd party support will fizzle out like a firecracker by the end of the year.

[MetroidFREAK21]

But you released the first Titanfall on 360... Granted with slightly bad performance. On second thought, I'll stick with Xbox for Titanfall. Would love to take it on the go with me though

[jmc8888]

Things change.

At that time 360/PS3 were still getting ports of everything. Now they don't.

Now they are making games with PS4/XB1 as the low end, PS4 Pro/Scorpio as the medium end, and PC as the high end (with support from the low to high end for all the different PC configurations).

Also they heavily modified the Source engine for Titanfall 2. Thus it was not designed to work on PS3/360 level hardware or anywhere close to it. Switch is still very much close to PS3/360 level hardware, especially in handheld mode.

Then there's other issues besides power. You have different control schemes, since the thing isn't packed with a normal pro style controller. Right now there is a 16gb limit to the cartridges, a 32gb storage space, and convoluted online that is still being built, and once built any voice chat has to go through a smartphone app.

[BLKxSEPTEMBER]

I've said it once and I'll say it again, If ANYONE buys a Switch for 3rd party content then you are a fool. After the Wii U anyone with half a brain should know that Nintendo doesn't care for or want 3 rd party support. The Switch is not really any different from the Wii U from a power prospective. Nintendo has released Two consoles during the PS 4 /X 1 era and still cannot match them in power or 3rd party support. I'm buying a Switch for Nintendo IP and nothing more.

[Stapleface]

I really doubt anyone is. By now people have their ps4 or xbox 1. What would be the point? Switch is just like every other console. By it for the exclusives, and if you care about power, performance, and options, pc exists for that.

[ElementX]

I'll wait for the Switch XL with better battery life, screen, and processor.

[Mega_Volnutt]

Dreaming costs nothing.

[Elda]

LOL!

[Relientk77]

I wanna see if Nintendo can keep the 3rd party support they're getting so far

[jmc8888]

Switch has far, far less 3rd party support then Wii U got. Some people just don't take the time to figure that out and are assuming they are getting a higher level, when in fact it's like 90 percent less or even worse then that.

Facts are facts, and you can go to page 4 of metacritic's Wii U page to confirm it.
http://www.metacritic.com/b...

Ubisoft had 6 launch titles for Wii U including a full version of that years Assassins Creed (III). They had Zombi U for launch. Activision had a full feature from the ground up CoD:BLOPS 2 at launch with amazing use of the gamepad.

You had Madden at launch. Fifa at launch. Sonic racing at launch. Batman Arkham City at launch. Mass Effect 3 at launch.

The list goes on and on. At LAUNCH, you had 26 3rd party Wii U releases that were boxed. More if you count eShop games, which I didn't.

It just goes to show you that reality can be completely different from what a lot of people perceive.

[higgins78]

Titanfall 2 looks and reads like a great game. Any great game will be missed. However, the trade-off is Nintendo 1st party exclusives. Me personally, I wouldn't take all the 3rd party games in the world over Nintendo 1st party exclusives. It's a trade-off.

[WickedLester]

Titanfall 2 is awesome! Criminally underplayed and I honestly like it more than I do Battlefield 1.

[jmc8888]

No one is saying that YOU are wrong for what YOU want.

What they are saying is, that people like you are in the vast minority.

In order for Nintendo to succeed, they NEED to get the people who DON'T think like that to actually buy Nintendo's systems.

Switch won't. Too underpowered. Too expensive. Too many accessories needed to use it like a PS4/XB1. Too convoluted... and everyone's seen this song and dance the previous two generations. But now they don't have free online or a cheaper price. So it's worse actually.

This is the 3rd time in a row they've tried this. It worked the first time because of motion controls creating a craze. Without the craze, Nintendo's 1st party support cannot carry a system that is low power and can't get 3rd party support.

Even the 3rd parties have figured this out which is why we've gone from 26 boxed 3rd party games (not eShop titles) at launch of Wii U to 5-6-7 total games from everyone including Nintendo at launch of Switch, and almost nothing announced for 2017.

Wii U had a drought like California. Switch's drought looks like the Sahara.

So you're right there is a tradeoff. It's good for you, and something like 90 percent say it's not good for them. That's BAD for Nintendo. That's BAD for Switch. But that's what THEY came up with.

For $299 they could of built a traditional system that has like 3 TFlops of power and gotten everything on their console, provided an upgrade path to better versions of AAA 3rd party games then the PS4/XB1 get, and gotten access to Nintendo's 1st party games...all of which would of have run much better then we see Switch is capable of.

Imagine Zelda at 1080/60, maybe even 1440p/1800p upscaled to 4k. 3 TFlops could of done that with Nintendo style games, if PS4 Pro with 4.2 can do it with more advanced graphically games like 3rd parties put out. Then rock solid 1080/60 from 3rd parties in the vast majority of cases with added shine then the PS4/XB1 versions. For the same price as Switch.

It could of done that, instead it put out Switch and you still need to buy a pro controller and microSD card for storage. So they are asking for more for far less, just for portability.

They could of made 2 devices, with the same platform. Play all your handheld games on the console plus all the console game and 3rd party games. But if you just want a handheld, they could of done that. They didn't. They could of waited for the handheld version for a year or two to make that even better, or roughly the same as now but more cost effective. 3DS is still selling, so they didn't NEED a handheld successor, they NEEDED a console successor to compete with Sony and MS.

Like it or not Nintendo IS competing with them, and if they pretend they aren't, they are just shooting themselves in the foot.

[WickedLester]

3rd party support for Switch will be similar to 3DS. Lots of unique Japanese titles along with a bunch of indie support. Gamers who think the Switch is going to get lots of Western and Euro support are setting themselves up for disappointment.

[Miss_Weeboo]

Third party support for the 3DS was strong. That's what Nintendo is planning. It's a hybrid between a portable and a console... That's the plan. Maybe it doesn't work, but I'm pretty sure that if Nintendo made a similar console to the PS4 or the Xbone, people wouldn't buy that. Is just not their market.
Still, of course it is not perfect: they need to lower the price and get more games on it.
I'm intrigued. I want one (definitely not at launch yet... but we'll see)
Stop whining, doc!!!! arrrg

[Scatpants]

I'm assuming 3rd party support will be more similar to 3DS after they phase the 3DS out.

[PizzaSteve]

Yep he right. I said before the reveal of NX(Switch), if it's not as powerful as PS4 it won't get support. The industry want to keep moving forward but Nintendo just stays back for their own needs. I do wish Switch is successful but from the looks of it I don't know.

[bluefox755]

Confirming what we all knew already.

[Exvalos]

The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results. That is the loop Nintendo is stuck in.

[ApexWolf22]

Switch is severely underpowered & overpriced, especially when it comes to all the accessories. Has little to no support from Dev's, plus has the worst launch lineup I've seen in years. Yup it'll sell like hotcakes

[DillyDilly]

Titanfall 2 could probably use the EXTRA SWITCH SALES since it BOMBED

[Kaneki-Ken]

Switch can't handle TitanFall 2 power.

[IntelligentAj]

Does this actually surprise anyone?

[Cussing]

I want to love the switch, I do, but I can't stand the stupid gimmicks. Just make a damn console Nintendo.

[themodern_age]

Allot of hate directed towards the switch has me baffled. I primarily play on PS4 and will continue to do so, but I pre-ordered the switch and I am very excited to play Nintendo's 1st party games this time around.

[objdadon]

That's great for you! But a lot of excuses and damage control for Nintendo's self inflicted shortcomings have me baffled as well.

[iofhua]

Third-party support is more than AAA titles. Having third-party support depends a great deal on how easy Nintendo can make it for indie devs to develop games for the Switch. Indie devs generally don't need a lot of horsepower.

I'm pretty sure Terraria or Don't Starve could run on the Switch, and I'm sure there will be more innovative titles like those in the future. The key is enabling the developers of those games as much as possible.

[mrbojingles]

1. why are there two posts about this on front page
2. its not like he's a person making that choice. seems like a dumb thing to say publicly seeing as his bosses likely want to keep an open relationship with nintendo
3. tf1 ran on 360. i doubt it couldn't run on switch

[eagle21]

TitanFall sucks.

[jonivtec]

Money is everything,if it sell well.....trust me....they will port the game.

[PGRfox]

This is NOT good, and unfortunately I agree. But I have a PS4 for third party games, and I'll play my Nintendo games on my Switch. But for people who were planning on buying a Switch for these games, not good at all.

[OC_MurphysLaw]

The Wii saw tremendous support form 3rd party for the first years of its existence and it flourished in hardware sales and 1st party sales, HOWEVER... 3rd party software never really sold well on that platform and as it got worse for them, their support started to waiver. As the support of 3rd party left the Wii...so did its hardware sales in its later years. The lack of 3rd party support hurt the WiiU out of the gate as 3rd party devs were gun shy to support the WiiU after the troubles they saw with their sales of their titles lacking on the under powered hardware of the Wii. They dipped their toe in the water with the WiiU but the instant they saw smoke they pulled support and the WiiU went under quickly. We already are seeing smoke in the air around the Switch and the 3rd party support shown off for launch felt temped at best.

[Triggytrolls]

So much negativity on this website it's actually quite comical. The hate for Nintendo and the downvotes for anyone that has a solid positive opinion for the machine is just funny.

The Switch doesnt need to be as powerfull as the PS4/xone to succeed and it certainly doesnt need Titainflop2.

[n1kki6]

That weird, the 3ds has less power than the wiiu and switch and has tons of third party support.

[SCW1982]

Deja Vu

[JeremyTheInsane]

I really stopped expecting things from some 3rd party developers when it comes to Nintendo. Honestly though, who buys a Nintendo system to play things other than Nintendo exclusive games. It would be nice to have games like Titanfall and Red Dead on this console, but unless their parent companies really force them to put these game out for the Switch, which the haven't for the most part in the past, it's not happening. People have been looking at it mainly as a direct competitor to the PS4 and Xbone, but its called the Switch for a reason. Nintendo wanted it to do two things and what it seems they ended up with is a supercharged handheld and a under powered console.

[ApolloTheBoss]

They'll never learn. NEVER. They'll keep doing this. Those old corporate idiots are out of touch and can't get with the times. Let go of tradition and make a change!

[Nibbs]

Okay.

In other news, https://cdn.gamerant.com/wp...

[xjustice1920]

But, no ones taking about the possibility of a Nintendo Switch Pro/Scorpio. Which would be very cheesy and unlike Nintendo, but that would be Nintendo's last good attempt to corner the market. If titanfall 2 devs aren't talking about it then most likely theirs no plan on a high powered dock. smh. You hardcore nintendo fans better get on twitter a tweet someone from Nintendo this option. Your welcome by the way.

[XboxInnovation]

You could be blind, deaf and living under a rock deep in the forest and you would still know that the Switch is going to flop.

[Mega_Volnutt]

PS3/360 mght be on par or more powerful than the switch. Developers never lie folks. They have the Switch dev kit for months now,

[GamingSchnoz]

That's fine. I don't want those same games. I do hope to see Developers support switch with its own games.

[CPTN MITCHELL]

Wii U Reloaded hahaha

[carmelo43]

hahahaha good old nintendo not learning from the wii u an making another weak system, great job guys

[Hotabang]

lazy devs dont know how to optimize ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ {or maybe theyre part of the few that didnt get the dev kit and are still salty}

[kevnb]

3ds has decent support, I'm hoping the switch can get the same support.

[masterfox]

People who are getting this Nintendo thing pretty much are getting a Wii U 0.9, I do really think is not more powerful than a Wii U since is now a tablet.

[RedPill86]

Titanfall 2 isn't demanding. Don't oversell your game. Pretty obvious 3rd party support isn't going to be the best, but I wouldn't burn a bridge when your game didn't sell that good.

[hellothere1977]

This, from the studio that sent their years of hard work out to die. They are talented developers, no question there. However, from their track record, business acumen is clearly not their strong suit.

1) Imagine if they didn't make Titanfall 1 xbox exclusive.
2) Imagine if they didn't release a critically lauded Titanfall 2 with 9s and perfect 10s against CoD AND Battlefield. (3 effing FPSs within 3 weeks of each other?!? FFS...

[JunMei]

What a negative Nancy.

[Zarock]

Nintendo fans logic....every third party game that wont release on our console must suck......

[Gman32]

i agree cause you cant tell nintendo shit they still think they know whats best for business

[KaZeDaRKWIND]

At least it'll have better sales than Titanfall 2

[silvacrest]

Nintendo could have made the switch Dock add additional power but....no,

And the nvidia processor that i assume is using the ARM architecture rather than x86 will just hurt third party support

[LastCenturyRob]

If the Switch was just another console I would agree with him, but since it is primarily a handheld I have a feeling third party support will find its way to it...especially when the 3Ds is retired in the not too distant future. Let's face it, when the only place to get Poke'Mon games is on the Switch, literally millions will eventually buy it just for that...More consoles sold means more third party interest. Not saying it is a sure thing but don't count this console/handheld out so early.

[About30Ninjas]

The truth is 3rd party support will be very thin on the Switch even if it sells all the Switch gonna get from 3rd party is games that came out 3-5 years ago, Maybe the switch will get games like GTA 5 one day or even Boderlands but as far when it comes to the latest 3rd party games like Titanfall 2 and Battlefield 1 you a fool if you expecting those games on the Switch

[LastCenturyRob]

If the switch sells well enough who is to say that those same third parties won't make different, switch only versions of the games.

[ARESWARLORD]

So crazy and they want 400 Canadian for this piece of turd

[Broomfondle]

Sounds like someone is cut because their game didn't sell well.

[BioDead]

That was very evident when they showed the first games on it and the final nail to the coffing was when they showed more games coming for the console. I really don't see big differrence in graphics on Wii U and Switch at all. Only differrence was the new way to play + new gimmicks. I don't know why Nintendo won't make more powerful console + those new gimmicks? It may be because they want to sell their console much cheaper than PS4 Pro for exsample? Whatever the reason is they are getting buyers ONLY with their AAA-games. Without them I'm sure there wouldn't be as much customers as there is now.

People don't think things through enough. They pre-order almost everything that is "in" and "hyped" at the moment. Why everyone is thinking that if they don't pre-order RIGHT NOW they will never ever get the console/game? It seems like everyone think this way.

I also didn't pre-order the console since I have learned my lesson about OVERHYPE and there is not coming any games that I really want to play with it. Only new Zelda is coming and I only have preorder that for Wii U. (I bought Wii U over a year ago when it was on sale and I wanted to play some of the Wii U games and the upcoming Zelda game.)
We should held on to our wallets and read reviews and maybe try it before buying. We should vote and address our opinion with our money. That is least what we can do. When the game/console is bought and opened there is no returning it anymore and your money is gone.

Even I could've bought Wii U many years ago when it came out but I just wanted to be sure and guess what... I COULD buy it YEARS after the launch, so you truly can buy it afterwards so why rush?

My honest opinion is that we should STOP pre-ordering alltogether. (Pre-orders give developers/companys the "the wrong idea" about their product. It is a wrong idea because no-one has tested/reviewed it yet so every decicion you are making is based on you own perception of the information you have been given which often is extremely limited.)

We should wait, be patience, read reviews and then vote. And not vote, read reviews and wait to this happen all over again.

[Wotbot]

The switch is the very essence of console gaming, the PS4 and Xbox one are the very essence of PC gaming on fixed hardware.

The Switch is a breath of fresh air.

[JokerBoy422]

Here's the thing. Nintendo is getting support from third parties now, but they won't forever. Developers want to stretch the boundaries and the current gen gives them that for the moment. With the PS4 Pro and Project Scorpio, developers will soon focus on those platforms trying to max those out and see how far they can take it. With the portable PS3 aka Nintendo Switch, that's not going to happen. Expect to see a shit ton of re-releases and "Remastered" versions of games on the Switch. There won't be anyone stretching the boundaries of the Switch after year 1 because developers won't be able to do anything new with it and Nintendo barely ever tries to max out their games anymore. Third party support will ween just as it did with the Wii, consumer support will ween once consumers realize their tablets they already have and can do more and the Switch will just sit there, in a drawer, collecting dust.

[ONESHOTV2]

PSvita 2 well at least Nintendo is supporting it with first party games unlike Sony waste of my 700$

[Einhander1971]

See u all had your crystal balls out again predicting something you haven't got a clue about
Get a life!!!

[sadsatan]

is there a switch emulator?

[KakashiHotake]

I just can't understand why Nintendo won't make a normal powered console. It's not like their hurting for cash but they always invest more on the hardware itself instead of the guts that powers it. Just like the Wii U the Switch is basically an over priced childrens toy. Perhaps it really is time for Nintendo to leave the console business seeing as how they refuse to build a console that can bring out the best of their own games.

[Tzuno]

Nintendo has lost huge sums of money with WiiU fail now they have chosen to go cheap and sell high in order to make money, it remains to be seen how it works out for them.

[Eulderink]

Guess it will sell very good the first year (10mil maybe idk :D), after that it will pretty much die out.

[XXanderXX]

So like his game they can expect very little support also .shame really Battlefield 1 was a better game from EA .

[Master of Unlocking]

I don't even think this is so much a problem about the system being underpowered as it is a state of mind at Nintendo to be overly confident in their exclusives and incapable of communicating with third-party devs. You could be forgiven for wondering whether they even have ONE guy in charge of third-party relations over there.

[TimeTravelerZero]

Titanfall 2 Designer Doesn't Like The Switch? Does It Really Matter?
https://www.youtube.com/wat...