Launch Offering Hypocrisy: The Gaming Community’s Amnesia

So Nintendo has wrapped up their event showcasing the Nintendo Switch and games. Throughout the community it has been pretty much split those that are on board and those that aren’t. Now this is not to say you have to like what Nintendo offers, but don’t make Nintendo have to fit a criteria and don’t apply that same logic to the other systems.

[CocoaBrother]

This article has a lot of grammatical errors but anyways, to the point of the article.
Minus the fanboy-ish rant against the other two companies(Sony in particular in this article), he does have a point. Day 1 for PS4, we got Knack, Resogun, and Killzone as our PS4 exclusives. Day 1 for Xbox One, we got Dead Rising 3, Forza 5, Crimson Dragon, Killer Instinct, and Ryse. Multiplats were also titles available on the Xbox 360 and the PS3 minus 1-2 give or take. The next exclusive that would hit wasn't until March, 4 months later, with Infamous.

With the Switch, we currently have Legend of Zelda, 1-2 Switch, and Super Bomberman as Day 1 exclusive titles followed by Snipperclips and Fast Racing Remix in the same month, Mario Kart 8 Deluxe in April, and ARMS coming mostly likely in May with Splatoon 2 to follow. Right there, 8 exclusives titles(6 if we don't count Zelda and Mario Kart 8 since they are also on Wii U) in it's first couple months of release. On the exclusive front, Nintendo isn't doing too bad especially with Super Mario Odyssey and Xenoblade 2(which I smell a 2018 release date) releasing this fall as well. Third party wise, western developers are once again not going to support the system for long but I do believe(and hope) Japanese developers will in the long run along with indie developers.

Of course the obvious question is whether the exclusives offered in its first year appeal to you and to that I say: it's completely subjective; you may like some but not others.

[FullEffectGaming]

Everything I said was the truth. NO fanboy here far from it I own every thing across the board from pc to handheld. Play everything regularly. So what part was fanboy-ish? The part where I said the hottest PS4 game was a PS3 game before Uncharted 4 came out? The last of us was the best selling game on the PS4 until uncharted so how is that fanboy-ish its just stating the facts. The VGA only PS4 game nominated for anything was what? Uncharted 4. Why cause that's all they had that was worthy of even being spoken about.

Now even in your comments look at what you named from Microsoft and compare that to what Sony has offered the whole console cycle. Then go on and add Halo, Gears, Quantum break and Microsoft has a better lineup than Sony has. Sony has been a third party beast yes but they have severely departed from the first party king they used to be. So no its no fanboy here but I am not going to just ignore whats going on. The console has been out for about 5 years and you can count on one hand Sony's PS4 exclusives. Now Microsoft started out strong but are now out of games other than third party till we hear something during E3 cause as of right now we don't know when anything is coming out for them. So no its not fanboy here i just call it like I see it.
Thanks for taking the time to read the article I do appreciate it as I know people on this site don't tend to do that. I will work on the grammatical errors and appreciate the feed back. PEACE.

[Liqu1d]

"you can count on one hand Sony's PS4 exclusives"

False.
http://gematsu.com/exclusiv...

Because of your fanboyish rant here I won't giving you clicks.

[Deathly_Grin]

woops

[BlakHavoc]

Are u serious? lol just stop with the falsehood, MS in no way has had more exclusives or even better rated exclusives than Sony. You argue that TLOU was the hottest game on PS4 till UC4, it's one of the greatest ever and imo is still far superior to many games this gen, that includes any MS exclusive. To see how innacurate your argument is all you gotta do is google a recent chart that shows how many PS4 exclusives have high metacritic ratings compared to MS and Nintendo this gen, it's no competition. It may be your opinion that Ms has the better library and that's ok, but quit trying to pass it off as facts when it's actually the total opposite. Critically Sony has provided much better games than MS.

[Kaneki-Ken]

Fanboy-ish rant

[Silly gameAr]

This is what happens when an N4G undercover fanboy makes a blog and uses opinion as fact.

[Bennibop]

Also forgetting that most switch games at launch are remasters.

[TheTony316]

"The console has been out for about 5 years and you can count on one hand Sony's PS4 exclusives."

Gravity Rush 2 releases next week, Yakuza 0 the week after and Horizon on february 28th. That's 3 exclusives in a matter of ~6 weeks. I think it's safe to say that the total amount of exclusives is a bit more than just a handful.

[stuna1]

Plus how can you truthfully compare a launch lineup with a lineup that has yet to launch!? Come back after all the games you listed have launched then perhaps you may have a point.

[Trez1234]

Back your so called truth then. Nobody should argue with your opinions but they are definitely not facts.

Sony has alot of exclusives worth talking about, in fact it has more exclusives that sold over a million including games like dragon quest heroes, dragon quest builders, until dawn, rachet and clank, the order etc..

Just a quick Google and you will also see that ps4 games have scored better too. I don't really care about ratings that much but I really can't see how you can back your so called truth. Oh and last of us and uncharted sold more than rest because they're more popular than the rest but that doesn't make other, less popular games irrelevant especially when those games are fairly successful both critically and commercially.

[lastking95]

THANK YOU! But this is n4g they won't listen

[nicsaysdie]

Your mic drop was awful. And now I kinda just feel bad for you. PEACE.

[Muzikguy]

You must have a hell of a lot of fingers. I don't think people care about the launch lineup like you're saying they do. It's more like we don't know of many games even in the works. Add in inferior ports and poor third party support and people have reason to feel the way they do IMO

Edit @Liqu1d
Awesome list

[notachance]

lmao it's funny, don't tell me you don't realize you're one of the biggest fanboy here???

hey, look at the mirror sometimes would you?

[Aenea]

"Microsoft has a better lineup than Sony"

You seem to have a dislike for Sony and say things that aren't correct...

[johndoe11211]

Just added your site to my block list , you're the fanboy of the worst kind. And it's not because you obviously have a stick up your.......nose, for sony and microsoft (especially sony), it's because you allowed it to influence you to write downright lies and deceptively false statements in order to paint a completely inaccurate picture of the whole situation. You can't even begin to think objectively and hence your rantings are meaningless and of no value.

[Utalkin2me]

@FullEffectGaming

Wow.....Are you off your meds? And im not saying this in a joking way, i swear im being dead serious. If not then im seriously embarrassed for you. Time to block you anything related to you.....SMH.

[CorndogBurglar]

You call it like you see it?

You need glasses then.

Also, I thought this article was about launch titles. The big difference here is that Switch is launching with 4 games TOTAL. only one of which anyone has any interest in. 4. 4 games. You know PS4 and Xbox 1 launched with more than that. I don't care if they weren't exclusives or were rehashes from previous gens. Its at least some variety.

4 games? Come on now.

I love the Switch and whay it looks like it can do. But I'm waiting for more games because Zelda isn't enough to go drop $300. I'l wait for Fire Emblem and Xenoblade, and then see if there is a Monster Hunter announcement before buying one.

[LordMaim]

Sorry, but this entire article does come off as very fanboyish. A system does not live and die on exclusives, in fact exclusives are only the deciding factor when all other factors are equal. If Nintendo games sold Nintendo consoles on their own, the WiiU would have sold far better than it did. Third party support is the lifeblood of consoles, and right now the Switch hasn't convinced developers to seriously invest time and resources any more than they have in the WiiU or in the Wii.

There are five launch games, including third party titles.

That is literally the worst launch since the VirtualBoy.

[OrangePowerz]

It was not factually correct to say 90% of the launch multiplatform games had been games we already played on PS3 or X360 because plenty of them released only shortly before the new consoles launched. Unless you couldn't wait a few weeks than you would have played them already and if I remember correctly you could even get digital upgrades cheap for some of them to carry over to the new platform without actually having to buy the full game again. Having a 2-3 week gap between the releases of BF4 between the different generations isn't the same as an almost 3 year gap betwen Mario Kart 8 on WiiU and Switch. At the end of the day you have the Switch with 5 games (one is a collection of mini games and one is an overpriced arcade game) launching compared to other platforms with 20 so where is the hypocracy in saying the launch lineup is dreadful and offers barely any games compared to the others?

Ratchet and Clank or The Last Guardian are also worth speaking about and both launched in 2016 and that's 2 examples of games. The Last Guardian launched too late for the VGAs but it got several awards across the board from the media. As for the other games that got VGA awards, many of them are type of games that the Switch will never get because of underpowered hardware.

You also need more than one hand to count the exclusives and this year looks quite strong.

On the matter of non exclusives. By the looks of it the Switch won't get the big hitters like Mass Effect and so on, so what does that leave throughout the year? The biggest one being a 6 year old Skyrim? They already missed the holiday season for the launch and now they show up with 5 games for launch? They should have waited longer until they have at least a few more games.

[GTgamer]

Lmao Sony has a hand full of exclusives? you Nintendo fans seem very frustrated but don't forget wiiu had a great launch line up and still bombed so what do you think is gonna happen with the switch :/ anyway your bias and fanboyish rant is ridiculous and shows you caught amnesia not us.

[Angeljuice]

Nintendo have been asleep throughout the WiiU gen so people were expecting more from switch.
You'd imagine that there'd be tons of WiiU games that never got made because it sold so poorly and that those would be transferred, but that isn't the case.

The biggest difference between Switch and PS4/XB1 launches is that Nintendo was under no pressure to launch Switch until it was ready. The others had to worry about the competition stealing a march on them.

Nintendo chose to launch now, with very little to show.

[bluefox755]

Even putting aside all of your inaccuracies, your article reeks of bias, and this comment just reinforces that.

[BigTrain]

@fulleffect

While I get some of the things you are saying I think you dont seem to be paying any attention to the numerous amount of glaring flaws Nintendo has a company and its effect this time around. Years ago Sega came with the 32x (I'll assume you know what I'm talking about) and quickly let it die off with little support, then soon after they came with the Sega CD add-on and allowed that to die off as well. Then they came with the SEGA Saturn and that was beaten by the Sony PS1 for various reasons leaving the Sega fanbase with a bitter taste in their mouths. Last they came with a proper console with free online play and a slew of 1st party and 3rd party titles that were critically acclaimed but by then it was too little too late. Nintendo while not totally as bad as SEGA has repeated a lot of this behavior. Their last 3 consoles, WiiU, Wii, Gamecube had varied forms of success. The Gamecube was liked and loved by the consumer and critics but was ultimately overshadowed, the Wii sold gangbusters but catered to a casual crowd while the hardcore had maybe 1 to 3 titles a year, last the WiiU sales wise had little success due to the casual market Nintendo pulled in failing to make the transition to the new system. Alas the WiiU is dead, that's 3 console generations by Nintendo where the hardcore were let down due to them not being the core target by Nintendo. Nintendo's lifeline has been their 1st party titles but those titles as great as they are have met their limits in causing the hardcore to justify the purchase of lackluster hardware. Gamers ever since the Wii have been crying out to Nintendo and begging them to make their next console powerful. It used to be their slogan. "Nintendo, now you're playing with power!", hah, Im showing my age here. Anyway, that power has not existed for a very long time now. The Switch is cool, I'll admit that, BUT its not cool when you've purchased the N64, Gamecube, Wii, and WiiU and have steadily accepted a last place position for the last 4 console generations and it's only cool because of Nintendos 1st party titles, otherwise the console is WEAK on a hardware level. People "hating" on the console are not just hating one single aspect they're not pleased for many reasons. The console is too high, the launch window while having quality titles does not have them on a frequent enough release schedule and many of them are repeats, the battery life is not sufficient, games that would have sold the system like Splatoon 2 now have a paywall in front of them, said paywall has not been tried or proven yet, and the consoles accessories are overpriced. I understand your point about comparing the launch titles fairly to the other consoles but you should understand that people are not solely thinking about the titles. The other consoles have DVD, Blu Ray, Social media, web browsing, and 4K Blu Ray playback functionality. Those features make them easier to cope with a lack of titles. MS had a poor launch due to trying to remove the ability to play used games on their console and as well their console was underpowered in comparison to the PS4 and they paid for it. Nintendo is releasing the weakest system ever during a period where power consoles not to mention PC platforms are more powerful than ever, AND they are charging $300. "But you can take it with you!!!" some cry. True, but only for 3 -6 hours. No thanks Ninty, Im a long time fan but this time I'll pass, especially cause I'm getting Breath of the Wild for my severely unsupported and already dead WiiU.

[BlakHavoc]

Irrelevant as one crucial piece of info left out is that Nintendo currently does not have much 3rd party support. The PS4 and Xbox1 launched with new entries in established franchises like AC, BF, CoD, FIFA, and Madden on top of their exclusives. With the Switch we're basically getting Zelda and a bunch of other games ppl will grow tired of in a matter of weeks. Imo console launches always provide slim pickings but the Switch launch looks scarce compared to the PS4 and X1.

[RpgSama]

The issue is not if Nintendo Launch Lineup is or not better against the other launch lineups, they are not competing against that, they are competing against 2017 releases of those consoles, they are coming out against one of the biggest years of exclusive and third party releases of their rivals, and against that, this launch lineup is not going to cut it.

[admiralvic]

"Irrelevant as one crucial piece of info left out is that Nintendo... launched with... entries in established franchises like AC, BF, CoD, FIFA, and Madden on top of their exclusives."

One thing I find funny with these arguments is that the Wii U, the same one many consider a disaster, started off with much better hope. At launch Assassin's Creed III, Batman: Arkham City Armored Edition, CoD Black Ops II, Fifa 13, Madden 13, Mass Effect 3, Ninja Gaiden 3, NBA 2K13, Tekken Tag 2 were all there WITH Nintendoland, Super Mario Bros. U and the then exclusive Zombi U.

If I had to compare the two, I would say third party support and a bright future is there with the Wii U, but I don't quite feel the same way with the Switch.

Now I respect peoples opinions who think this is a choice to avoid droughts like the Wii U had, but a desert isn't much better.

[The 10th Rider]

@admiralvic,

First party support seems strong for the Switch, though. Zelda + Mario + Splatoon 2 + supposodly Fire Emblem Warriors and Xenoblade 2 in the first year alone. If the rumored Pokemon is true it would be one of the best first years, in terms of first party, for a Nintendo console.

I'm with you that 3rd Party didn't do much for the Wii U. Unless a Nintendo console has the power to run games on par with PS/Xbox, AAA Western third party isn't going to matter much.

EDIT: I mean it would be make a huge difference if the Switch was as powerful as, and got the same third party games as the PS4/Xbox One. . . But as long as it's getting gimped versions they're not going to sell.

[wonderfulmonkeyman]

As much as I love games like Skyrim and Far Cry, amongst other third party titles, the sad truth is that they only matter to Sony and Microsoft, because third party, far more than first party, is what people buy those systems for.
Third parties have not proven themselves capable of carrying a Nintendo home console since the N64, and are only doing well on 3DS because momentum from the DS paved the way.
Even CoD failed to move units on the Wii, and a hundred million is a lot of systems, and kids who are into games like that, to sell to.

And to be honest, that wouldn't change even if the Switch ends up snagging 5 to 10m units during its first two months.
Because third party gamers don't buy Nintendo.

[ninsigma]

It's never been about exclusives vs exclusives at launch. At the very least I haven't seen anyone talk about it like that. The point is, without the guaranteed 3rd party releases, the lineup is weak. Ps4 and Xbox one didn't have that much at release true, but they both had the multiplats to bolster the lineup. Switch doesn't have that which is why it is looking very thin.

[wonderfulmonkeyman]

The thing about that, though, is that no one is including any games that weren't on that list.
Nintendo's already said that there are at least 80 more games being prepped, and that probably isn't including games like Yooka-Laylee and the new Binding of Issac.

The people saying the launch lineup is thin, aren't considering indies at all, when the fact is that indies are just as much a valid library booster on Switch as on any other system.

[ninsigma]

Indies are great and all but generally don't compare to the big hitters a part from the rare gem. Yes it's awesome to have them and I in no way have anything against them but to say that you have indies to bolster the systems lineup when the competition is getting all the games from EA, Activision, Ubisoft and more, it just looks weak. We can only base it off what we can see and I'm sure (and hope) more games will get announced before its release but for now it's just not good enough for people to drop that kind of money onto a system that's vastly inferior spec wise to its competitively price competition. And believe me I think it's a shame, because I was really rooting for the switch and I do like the console itself. It's a nice design and the portability of console games is great! Unfortunately that price point is too much for what I'd get at launch. I got the WII U sometime down the road after I'd written it off at launch and the switch looks like a vastly better machine so I'm pretty certain I'm going to be getting the switch at some point. I'm even tempted to try pre-order the master edition of zelda so I can get the cool stuff from it!

[ABizzel1]

@Wonderful

Considering it's ARM design and a statement by Nintendo, I wouldn't be surprised if a good portion of those games are ports from mobile games, for better or worse.

If Nintendo wants to port anything it should be 3DS sequels / niche classics and Best of Wii U.

[OB1Biker]

How about these launch line ups are three years old and the competition the Switch goes against now is, well the lines up they have now? I understand going back in time but this line up is what they have now. I think a lot of people have already said the PS4 and XB1 launch line up was weak too, at the time.
I personally waited for ISS to buy a PS4. Many waited longer, nothing wrong with that.

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@Cocoa
I hear what your saying but I dont feel theres hypocrisy since I remember many said PS4 and XB1 launch line up was weak too.
Heck one of the most anticipated game the media was 'selling' as a 'new gen' game was WatchDogs (which never was new gen but actually cross gen) and was still released long after launch.
I think as often some people try to build an argument where there isnt any in the first place. The gaming community did complain about a weak line up at the time too.

[CocoaBrother]

People made the argument with the launch of the PS4 and Xbox One that their launch lineup should not be compared to the Wii U's 2013 lineup since it had a year to establish itself and rightly so. Compare launch titles with launch titles of other companies. It's how I see it personally. I didn't get an Xbox One or PS4 until September of 2014 but with that year of being on the market, I was able to get more games since I waited. There's absolutely nothing wrong with waiting as you and I both did.

Am I getting a Switch at launch? Not sure yet; I'm still waiting to hear what more they have to offer. The Nindie scene has things to announce in the upcoming weeks so I will wait and see what they have to announce.

[yomfweeee]

It isn't just exclusives. Switch has literally 5 total games one of which has been out for the Wii for a long time.

[lunatic0001]

Article is awfully written but the points are valid

[rainslacker]

I'm not sure what his point is. I recall there being a lot of critique from people about the launch line ups. Sure, the fans of a particular system, did look forward to what few interesting ones there were, but everyone else acted like they were lame.

So it's not amnesia, it's just the way things go with a launch line up.

Nintendo's isn't bad. Just their day one is a bit weak, because outside Zelda, I can't say there are any must have games.....which honestly, is better than what X1 and PS4 had this gen on launch day.

Not to say there weren't some decent games on launch day, but this article is off base.

[oasdada]

The only problem is that every one knew xb1 and ps4 will have good third party support.. nintendo on the other hand even with double the exclusives have a lot to prove in that regards.. wii u anyone?

[QUIMICOMORTAL]

You dont seem to get that there were more PS4 games at launch than switch games announced for the year! plus the undeniable certainty that most 3rd pary games and indies would also come.

[eagle21]

Convenient Amnesia is the diagnosis.

[iwin86]

The only notable game in the Switch Launch Day Line Up is Zelda: Breath of the Wild. Don't get me wrong: The title looks amazing and is properly a GOTY contender.
But Zelda is also a port from a Wii U game. Zelda was scheduled for a 2015 release. If Sony had delayed PS3 games like God of War Ascension (release march 2013), The Last of Us (release summer 2013) and Gran Turismo 6 (release fall 2013) to match the PS4 launch in November 2013, would that be consider great ?

[gamer1138]

Very good point. I was surprised MS didn't hold Halo 4 back for Xbox one

[Gemmol]

read Cocoa Brother comment

[Phill-Spencer]

Don't forget puppeteer. Still waiting for a remaster of this game because it released shortly before ps4 launched and i already traded in my ps3 by then. :-(

But i'm glad that sony didn't hold back these games but supported ps3 until the very end unlike other companies.

[PurpHerbison]

I never forgot about terrible launches, and I was quite disappointed in the PS4 launch. This is slightly different though. This is Nintendo just coming off the failure that is the WiiU. You'd think they would of tried their best to get everybody on board with a stellar launch, but no, they decided to keep doing Nintendo things. Nobody is surprised. The only reason Zelda even got delayed wasn't cause the game wasn't ready, its cause the Switch needed it to barely get by on launch. The Switch should of been delayed.

[The 10th Rider]

Imagine if the Switch hit this fall with Zelda, Mario Odyssey, ARMS, Splatoon 2, and that rumored Pokemon port all out before the end of the year (in addition to all the other minor titles.) THAT would be impressive. Fire Emblem Warriors and Xenoblade 2 would be out soon after, as well.

Breath of the Wild could release now on Wii U and it'd keep Wii U owners happy for now. The Switch could get a huge blowout at E3 and release in August or somethin'. It'd have a killer lineup of first party titles through the end of the year, and the Zelda, Mario, and Pokemon hype would make it a hot seller over the holidays.

[game4funz]

And that would limit their sales. Because they misses the rest of the year no matter how impressive it would be to hardcore gamers.

[Yohshida]

The Problem is, Nintendo isn't getting much after Launch. They have first party and that is almost it. Meanwhile you get every 3. party game on Xbox/Playstation and you knew you will get them. After Nintendo has Mario and splatoon out, how long will it take for another game to release? The other 2 have all the support in the world and all Nintendo gets from 3. party is a 6 year old skyrim and ONE FREAKING GAME from EA. I couldn't care less to be honest.

[Moonman]

Wait till E3 to say that. Are they suppose to reveal EVERYTHING in one hour?

[Gemmol]

you most logical one on here......they expect Nintendo to have nothing at e3 to talk about beside same games

[pcz]

i will be surprised if nintendo even show their face at e3.

im expecting another pre recorded video with a show-reel of every game we have already seen. i mean, as if they are going to announce new titles in a few months time when they could have announced them at the switch reveal to make a bigger impact.

im immensely impressed by zelda, mario and xenoblade, but really, i cant see there being anything else worth buying in 2017. and that is assuming mario and xeno even stay on schedule for this year

[conanlifts]

If you disect the reveal and look at the games they are good. But the reveal was so bad, the worst i have ever watched. They need some nintendo directs to fix things.

[LordMaim]

They spent 20 minutes talking about 1,2,Switch. They had Suda 51, Patrick Söderlund, and Toshihiro Nagoshi talking about games that don't exist yet.

If there were more games to show, they would have done it when they had the press's undivided attention, not at E3 when they'd be fighting for press cycles with two major consoles, and all the third party developers.

[Gemmol]

why say everything........they need things to say at e3......what, you expect them to repeat same old games for e3........some people never look at full picture

[Yohshida]

Ye they will come to E3 with one game... Grand theft mario

[pcz]

or new games that nobody would possibly ever want. like 1-2 switch

[conanlifts]

I think the issue and concern with nintendo is firm release dates. If nintendo release everything in the first year that was announced they have a strong lineup.
Plus i have seen 3 more indie games added to the roster. In addition while it is only a rumor pikmin world and assassins creed egypt are also teased for this year.
So if nintendo release zelda, 1, 2 switch, mk8d, arms, splatoon 2, pikmin world, mario plus their other titles in the next 8 months thats actually pretty good.
Remember on the wii u nintendo didn't release another game themselves for around 7 months after the system launched ( pikmin 3).

[Mithan]

The launches for the other consoles have all sucked in the last 10 years.
This isn't much better.

I don't know why people waste time worrying about that though. Don't buy it if you don't like the launch lineup, wait and see. duh.

[Profchaos]

This article completely misses the point. I think everyone agrees Nintendo produced games are amazing and typically worth the purchase price of the console alone. however 3Rd party has a nasty habit of drying up a few months post launch and the switch is not cheap afterall so its not worth it to some people.

Personally I really want to love it but it will most likely be a late gen purchase for me unfortunately Nintendo typically is but the games don't really age so I think it's alright

[The 10th Rider]

I'm definitely waiting as well. Might not be late gen, but I'm not buying it at launch unless they still have some surprises up their sleeve.

You pay less, have a nice backlog of games to choose from, and the games are still as great as they were when they came out.

[wonderfulmonkeyman]

No, it IS cheap.
It's the same price as the vanilla forms of the other two (which third parties aren't abandoning, meaning the Switch, with its power in the same ballpark as them, can get more games than the Wii U did long-term from them) and offers something they don't: portable play for ALL home console games with no additional handheld or wifi needed.
The trade-off being a negligible hit in power, which tbh probably won't hold the system back like it did the Wii U due to more modern architecture that shares language with the other two, and in some cases tech that even outperforms them if some of the rumors are true.

Anyone that can afford a PS4 or XB1 at this point, cannot say the Switch is out of their ability to afford.
A more honest statement is that they just don't want one; saying it isn't cheap just isn't true, if they consider the others at the same price to be affordable.

@chinky
What, the Joycons?
No, my friend, they won't set me back, because I won't need any extras, and they come packed with the system.
Including that is just about as unfair as including the PSVR into the price tag of the PS4 Pro.

[conanlifts]

Just for information outside of the us and in the uk and particularly in Australia this is the most expensive console. For example i can buy an xbox s with 1 4k blu ray and 3 games for $369. I can buy a ps4 with 2 games for $439. The switch on the other hand is costing me $559au for the console and zelda. This is the same price that i can get the ps4 pro for.

[Chinkyinc18]

It isn't cheap, you just keep looking at the price of the basic console. The devil's in the detail. Them little controllers are gonna set you back, real back...

[DC777]

Granted Switch and Zelda will run you $400 with tax. Not bad, but they could have included a game of some sort, even an old VC game.

[deadfrag]

The problem its not even the games at release and the follow ups and third parts the reall problem is how greed Nintendo is been releasing an overpriced machine and overpriced accessorys thinking they can get with it once more.

[Gemmol]

bro they need things to talk about at e3.......why say everything now....would that be common sense??? and then at e3 repeat similar info when they could show brand new games

[firelogic]

There's really nothing to discuss. The launch lineup is terrible.
Launch day
1-2-Switch - not even a game. should be a pack-in novelty thing.
The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild - available on WiiU. Was made for WiiU.
Skylanders Imaginators
Just Dance 2017

Those are what you have to choose from when you go to the store to pickup a Switch on March 3rd. How can anyone not think that the lineup is terrible?

If you wait out the month, you can add
Has Been Heroes - no info
I Am Setsuna - can play it on various platforms already
Bomberman
Snipperclips

[objdadon]

The ps4 and xbox has what's called "3rd party " support to carry them between exclusive games, hence the switch lineup isn't the same thing.

[King_Lothric]

The author of the article simply don't know about the gaming industry. Everyone here knows that in the case of Playstation, they have build a reputation of having many exclusives and a big library of games on their system. Why people buy a Playstation on day one even when there are no many games at launch?

Because by reputation, people know the games will come. Now, on the other hand, you cannot say that about Nintendo and that is because it is what they have shown for many years.

People know that if the launch line up of a Nintendo system is very poor, there is no much hope that it will get better later. That's why they wanted proof from the beginning that there is a commitment.

[lastking95]

Well said, i said the exact same thing. You people are serious hypocrites.

[UCForce]

No, that was unprofessional from him.

[Yohshida]

Sooooo lets compare:
NES:
10-Yard Fight
Baseball
Clu Clu Land
"Donkey Kong Jr Math"
Duck Hunt
Excitebike
Golf
Gyromite
Hogan's Alley
Ice Climber
Kung-Fu
"Mach Rider"
Pinball
Stack-Up
Super Mario Bros.
Tennis
Wild Gunman
Wrecking Crew

SNES:
F-Zero
Gradius III
Pilotwings
SimCity
Super Mario World

N64:
Pilotwings 64
Super Mario 64

GameCube:
All-Star Baseball 2002
Batman: Vengeance
Crazy Taxi
Dave Mirra Freestyle BMX 2
Disney's Tarzan Untamed
Luigi's Mansion
Madden NFL 2002
NHL Hitz 20-02
Star Wars Rogue Squadron II: Rogue Leader
Super Monkey Ball
Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 3
Wave Race: Blue Storm

Wii:
Avatar: The Last Airbender
Call of Duty 3
Cars
Dragon Ball Z: Budokai Tenkaichi 2
Excite Truck
The Grim Adventures of Billy & Mandy
GT Pro Series
Happy Feet
The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess
Madden NFL 07
Marvel: Ultimate Alliance
Monster 4x4: World Circuit
Need for Speed: Carbon
Rampage: Total Destruction
Rayman Raving Rabbids
Red Steel
SpongeBob SquarePants: Creature from the Krusty Krab
Super Monkey Ball: Banana Blitz
Tony Hawk's Downhill Jam
Trauma Center: Second Opinion
Wii Sports (bundled with the Wii console)

WiiU:
Assassin's Creed III
Batman: Arkham City - Armored Edition
Ben 10: Omniverse
Call of Duty: Black Ops II
Chasing Aurora
Darksiders II
Epic Mickey 2: The Power of Two
ESPN Sports Connection
FIFA Soccer 13
Funky Barn
Game Party Champions
Just Dance 4
Little Inferno
Madden NFL 13
Mass Effect 3: Special Edition
Mighty Switch Force! Hyper Drive Edition
Nano Assault Neo
NBA 2K13
New Super Mario Bros. U
Ninja Gaiden 3: Razor's Edge
Nintendo Land
Rabbids Land
Scribblenauts Unlimited
Sing Party
Skylanders: Giants
Sonic & All-Stars Racing Transformed
Tank! Tank! Tank!
Tekken Tag Tournament 2: Wii U Edition
Transformers: Prime – The Game
Trine 2: Director's Cut
Warriors Orochi 3 Hyper
Wipeout 3
Your Shape: Fitness Evolved 2013
ZombiU

Soooooooooo lets not forget Nintendo always had a handheld out with games exclusive to it and for the first time ever they combined those 2 consoles into one. All it could come up with is this:

SWITCH:
1-2-Switch
Just Dance 2017
Skylanders: Imaginators
Super Bomberman R
The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild

Out of all consoles, only the US launch of the N64 was worse, but it still had 2 good new games for launch.

[captainexplosion]

WiiU launch lineup was much better than people say it was. I like your list and agree with everything you said, except that the N64 had the worst launch lineup. I think it was still much better than the Switch's launch. It had Mario 64. If Zelda was an exclusive I could see the Switch having the better launch but it's not an exclusive.

[Yohshida]

Ye, but 2 Games isn't really much for N64. But those 2 Games are still awesome.

[conanlifts]

In response to your comment below and amount of games. So far there are 33 confirmed for 2017, which based on the same time frame is more than were released on the wii u in the same period. There are anther 21 with unconfirmed dates, but many are likely to release in 2017.
It's actually a pretty good list and seems to be getting better. I was as annoyed and disinterested as anyone after the reveal. But the more i follow the release schedule and news the better it looks.
Foe me the switch will do 2 things. 1) provide good family multiplayer games and 2) give me a portable option for games i want to play on the go. I have a pc and xbox for main multiplatform games. Plus fairly soon i will a ps4 pro as i sold my ps4 last March.

http://www.nintendolife.com...

[conanlifts]

The switch launch is different to other consoles though. The wii u for example after launch only received 5 games for the following 8-9 months. Also both xbox and ps4 had minimal releases for a few months after launch. Switch has around 18 games spread out in its first month. Followed by a trickle of games after this with mk8, arms etc.
I am not trying to say their launch is on a par with the ps4, but their game calender is definitely better than the wii u had. It took nintendo themselves 6-7 months to release a game after launch ( pikmin) , but the switch at least has a steady supply of games from them.
Plus there are a large nunnery of games with unconfirmed dates that are likely to be in the first month. Personally i have have no issue with only 5-6 games day 1 if they release another dozen within the next 6 weeks. But how about we wait a month before crucifying their launch games.

[captainexplosion]

Dude, XB1 released Titanfall, Garden Warfare, and Kinect Sports Rivals within about 3 months of launch. PS4 had Infamous. And come on, u simply can't make a case that The Wii U had a worse launch launch window then the Switch. WIIU had a great launch & actually received 3rd party support at first.

[conanlifts]

@captainexplosion.

I said "a few months" meaning nothing for 2-3 months. I did not claim it was a better launch than xbox. Check my comments and you will see i am a big fan of xbox. I simply said they are continuing to release more games instead of having a 2-3 month gap. As for wii u vs switch. The wii u had a great launch day, then nothing for nearly half a year. From launch to July they released 4-5 additional games ( monster hunter, pikmin, avengers, lego undercover,and possibly 1 other game that i am forgetting) It was a terrible console to own. There are more games scheduled in the first 3 months on switch than in the first 8 on the wii u.

[captainexplosion]

@sd11
I never said you "2-3" months. And re-read your comment. You mentioned Xbox. And no, there are not more games scheduled for Switch in its first 3 months than the Wii U had in its first 8. That's insane. Look at the list of games launched on WiiU above.

[DualWielding]

the fanboyism is strong on this one

[Malice-Flare]

there is one unique difference. the PS4 launch line-up was thin, but remember WHEN they launched: the Holiday Season. Sony doesn't compete with 3rd-parties on the Holidays preferring to send games out on the *ahem* 'pre-season...'

as far as the Switch is concerned, Zelda is the only launch title i'm interested in (one that is available on the Wii-U so not really an exclusive), and one game isn't enough to entice me to buy this. i'll wait until Fatal Frame comes out...

[feraldrgn]

Zelda is an enhanced port of a Wii U game, great looking game, but it's a Nintendo exclusive not a Switch exclusive.

[MAULxx]

You have to factor in the promise of future games & if you trust or believe the games will come to the new platform.
This is a big part of the purchase of a console at launch. You may indeed want to play a certain launch game but most do not buy a console at launch for one game but some do.
Can Nintendo really grab people who already own & play on their PS4 &/or XBone? They need to. I think it's going to be tuff for them to get these people to purchase a Switch on launch day with just Breath of the Wild. A lot of gamers have great games releasing this year on their chosen machine. Also, gamers were hungry for new hardware after the extremely long last generation. The Switch doesn't have that luxury.
I'm definitely not against the Switch. It has some great concepts & a great launch game in The Breath of the Wild going for it & I hope it succeeds.

[Paelmoon]

And yet Sony has sold over 53 million consoles. Man, I wish I could be as bad at selling game hardware as they are.

[Rd89]

You can in no way defend Nintendo business practices, even my friends who are die hard nintendo fans and collectors laugh at their recent business model with the Wii and WiiU and 3DS and their online system and their game prices and console proces which are not selling but at the same time the price stays the same, hope they turn this all around wiht the Switch if not i really hope they become a third party publisher and developer.

[DC777]

It's not hypocrital at all. There is ONE AAA game and zero 3rd party games. That is pretty bad.

[yomfweeee]

Right. 5 total games. There's no amnesia here, this is the smallest lineup in recent history and it isn't even close.

[Kyizen]

I feel he is wrong about Zelda, yes it is a new game but it is not exclusive to the new console. So if I own a Wii U, I do not have to run out and buy a Switch to play imo the one and only game worth it will followed by Mario in Novemember. Mario Kart 8 in April and Splatoon 2 in Summer are good but not unique enough to sell me on spending $$$ for a whole new system. Mario being a port of the Wii U version and Splatoon 2 being Splatoon 1 with online play. So that said the one unique exclusive on the Switch will be Mario Odessey which comes out 8 monthe after launch.

[Defiantmac]

I would assume this article says the same thing I have been saying. Switch is priced at $300 with 5-8 interesting games in the first 9 month, including one of the best launch titles for a system in recent memory.

PS4 and XBOX One (which I own both of) were priced at $400 and $500, and if you already owned a PS3 or XBOX 360, offered nothing special for the first year or so. Switch is getting a lot of hate because of a bad conference and past failures.

[maybelovehate]

The only enticing game is a Wii U port. And it doesn't even offer any graphical advantages. Both versions 900p. Very disappointing.

[corroios]

The biggest problem that everybody is talking is the core idea behind the Switch!

Nintendo is selling the idea that the Switch is a home console that you can take and play outside like a portable.

The reality is that the Switch is a portable that you can play at home. It seems the same, but there is a HUGE diference.

As a portable, the Switch is a very nice console, but if they go with the home console, is just to weak, and below the average for a 2017 home console and very expensive.

They need to change that idea, because as a portable they will have plenty of sucess, even with those prices...